--- Log opened Fri Sep 21 00:00:32 2012 00:01 < nmz787> lol 00:05 <@kanzure> but that's definitely a more long-term scheme 00:05 <@kanzure> gotta be committed. 00:05 < foucist> calories-in/calories-out for hoomans? 00:06 <@kanzure> nsh: most people mean "calories out" in terms of "exercising" 00:06 < foucist> i think there might be some papers that show people getting fat off high-carb low-calorie diets 00:06 <@kanzure> but i'm pretty sure you poop more calories than you could ever exercise out 00:07 < foucist> well, yeah there's the ole weighing poop and burning it 00:09 <@kanzure> "mom's vintage poop burning machine" 00:27 < nmz787> can someone get this 00:28 < nmz787> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iafp/jfp/1999/00000062/00000002/art00016?token=00501e2085cc62ff5f8c9a437a63736a6f3b47654c76766a24702a446f644a467b4d616d3f4e4b34 00:35 <@kanzure> i don't seem to have access 00:35 * kanzure sleeps 00:36 < nmz787> :( 00:36 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:50 -!- marainein [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:513e:2647:e0c8:c7d4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:53 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 03:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:30 -!- marainein [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:8930:a0ca:abf:345b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:42 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:48 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-12-57.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:49 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-12-57.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:58 -!- panax [~panax@72.187.64.192] has quit [] 05:00 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 05:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@a89-182-84-213.net-htp.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@a89-182-84-213.net-htp.de] has quit [Changing host] 05:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:40 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@203.118.181.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:36 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95-161-252-108.broadband.spb.TiERA.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:19 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:34 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-12-57.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:35 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-12-57.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:37 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 < skorket> morning 08:23 < kirka> Hi 08:25 < chris_99> yo 08:31 * kirka reads kanzure's copy of "Nanosystems" 08:31 < kirka> Looks like kanzure has the only scanned copy in the net 08:31 < kirka> I searched for it a lot and haven't found anything 08:32 < kirka> I think I should torrent it (with kanzure's permission of course) 08:33 < kirka> Nanosystems is a good book, expanded and corrected version of Drexler's thesis 08:34 < kirka> That's it http://gnusha.org/stuff_to_deal_with/nanosystems.tar.gz 08:38 <@kanzure> don't attribute any resulting torrents to me 08:38 < kirka> Of course 08:39 < kirka> Do you think that this book should have wider distribution? 08:39 <@kanzure> i don't know what you mean 08:39 <@kanzure> copenhagen suborbitals has released CAD files http://www.copenhagensuborbitals.com/resources_downloads.php 08:40 <@kanzure> "Solidworks file for testing pressure hull of space capsule Tycho Deep Space-II" 08:40 <@kanzure> "Solidworks and CAD files for a public assignment on the hatch design for Tycho Deep Space" 08:40 <@kanzure> "Solidworks and STL files for the main construction of capsule Tycho Deep Space." 08:41 < kirka> I mean that there are probably people who search for that book. Do you think I should upload it so they could find it? 08:42 < Urchin> untill I saw the link I was happy enough with the thesis 08:42 < kirka> It depends on your position over copyright, I agree 08:42 <@kanzure> kirka: do you know the http://libgen.net/ guy? 08:42 < Urchin> I'm more inclined to share this sort of thing on request only 08:42 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-12-57.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:42 <@kanzure> because you should add it to libgen 08:43 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:43 < kirka> kanzure Well, looks like mirror of that library runs in my nnetwork (Tiera) - bib.tiera.ru 08:43 < kirka> kanzure Ok, I'll try 08:43 <@kanzure> no tiera is different 08:44 <@kanzure> heh "Download static list of all books: html - 18.59M, gzip - 3.8M" http://bib.tiera.ru/index.htm.gz 08:44 < kirka> The source of books is the same 08:44 <@kanzure> oh? 08:44 < kirka> I'll try to do it with libgen 08:44 < kirka> Ther is a forum 08:44 <@kanzure> i know very little about tiera.ru.. where's the forum? 08:45 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.11.109] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:45 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.11.109] has quit [Changing host] 08:45 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 < kirka> No tiera.ru is a mirror 08:50 < kirka> That;s it: http://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6570 08:51 < kirka> You could just post them your gnusha link with description 08:51 <@kanzure> i would rather not have it linked to gnusha. 08:52 < kirka> Ok 08:52 < kirka> Yes, that's rational 08:52 < kirka> I can upload it to piratebay as anonymous and give them a link 08:54 < kirka> I think Dr Drexler wouldn't mind if a dozen of interested people will read his 1992 book for free :) 08:55 <@kanzure> don't link to my servers 08:55 < kirka> Ok 08:56 < kirka> Just a folder with tiff files, and description copied from the net 08:59 < Urchin> for a dozen interested people torrents don't make much sense 09:00 < kirka> Well I don't have piratebay account, don't you know some filesharing service that allows to upload 800 MB ? 09:04 < kirka> I'll find it, don't mind 09:11 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:13 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:13 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-59-67.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:30 < eudoxia> kirka we should probably ocr it first 09:31 < eudoxia> 700 mb of tiff files will scare many people away 09:31 < kirka> eudoxia I tried already, but to no success 09:31 < kirka> Hi 09:31 < eudoxia> well, let's find the smallest jpeg that is decently readable 09:32 < eudoxia> i think i already did that, when i put it on my kindle 09:32 < kirka> btw Seems like you have written that article: http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Molecular_Nanotechnology 09:32 < kirka> It's interesting that information that I collected through search is the same. 09:32 < eudoxia> oh yes here it is, 108 mb 09:32 < eudoxia> I did 09:33 < eudoxia> it's still a WIP, but yeah, I tried to dump every bit I knew about the subject before I forgot about it 09:34 < kirka> I have found this Zyvex presentation today, It's quite optimistic: http://rghost.ru/40498627 09:36 < eudoxia> I remember it 09:36 < kirka> It's a little diffirent from previous one 09:36 < eudoxia> >We are working hard to be a leader in this field 09:36 < eudoxia> well they better be 09:36 < kirka> Heh 09:37 < kirka> eudoxia Don't you know a working filesharing site where I could upload that book? 09:37 < kirka> Piratebay bans me for some reason 09:37 < eudoxia> I wouldn't know 09:38 < kirka> Ok, I'll find something 09:38 < eudoxia> last time I uploaded something illegal for the public was two years ago, and it was on megaupload ;_; 09:38 < kirka> Heh 09:39 <@kanzure> kirka: i'm sure you can find a russian release group that will take it 09:40 < kirka> kanzure Yes, I think it's a good way to do it 09:40 < kirka> I'll contact genesis guys 09:41 <@kanzure> http://www.hoektronics.com/2012/09/21/makerbot-and-open-source-a-founder-perspective/ 09:41 < kirka> BTW I find replicator 2 to be good product, regarding of OSS controversy 09:41 < kirka> 0. mm precision is just what I need for robotics 09:42 < kirka> *0.1 09:42 < kirka> *regardless 09:43 < kirka> It takes a lot of time to build and set reprap to acheive such precision, isn't it? 09:44 <@kanzure> no some of the prusa models have that precision 09:45 < kirka> I have read builders' blogs, it requires months of calibration and rebuilding of reprap to achieve it 09:48 < Mokbortolan_> kirka: yeah, but how fast can it churn out my dynamically generated mini-turret parts? 09:49 < kirka> Mokbortolan_ I don't know, heh 09:50 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 < kirka> I'm going to print this thing one way or another http://rghost.ru/40311893.view :) 09:52 < eudoxia> It looks like something out of GITS 09:52 <@kanzure> GITS is cliche these days 09:52 < kirka> Thanks, that's a compliment to my design 09:52 < kirka> Actually, I still need to remove 100 grams of plastic or integrate stronger servos 09:52 < kirka> *200 09:53 < kirka> I will release everything to the public when it'll walk 10:23 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:25 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 < kirka> Interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705raszSLGA 10:29 < kirka> Merkle and Freitas @ 2012 10:29 < eudoxia> freitas needs to stand up and talk some more 10:31 < jrayhawk> kanzure: I like the Frassetto study since she was feeding a bunch of sedentary nonobese people >5000 calories and they were still losing weight 10:35 < Mokbortolan_> stupid human metabolism, not doing what I expect 10:35 * Mokbortolan_ 's body is stubbornly carrying an emergency reserve of lipids. 10:36 < jrayhawk> Mokbortolan_: I was planning on watching a nutrition biochemistry seminar with some lesswrong nerds this weekend if you want to join in. 10:40 < jrayhawk> I dropped fifty pounds and a pile of autoimmune and neurological problems. 10:41 < jrayhawk> actually i guess they're legitimately singinst nerds 10:42 <@kanzure> is it steve. 10:42 <@kanzure> cause that doesn't count. 10:42 < Mokbortolan_> Sure! 10:42 < jrayhawk> It sounds like he's getting re-employed 10:46 < kirka> >Merkle: If a chemist looks at our structures, especially hydrocarbon ones he'll say "That's really boooring". 10:46 < kirka> >You know, chemists are interested in structures that are falling apart from slightest touch 10:46 < kirka> :) 10:52 < jrayhawk> Mokbortolan_: Hmm. It's six hours broken up into 45-90 minue chunks. I guess Saturday is occupied for them, but today or Sunday might work. What's better for you? 10:53 < Mokbortolan_> Sunday, family eats up all my time on the weekday evenings :) 10:53 <@kanzure> damn family 10:59 < jrayhawk> Okay. I'd like to aim a start at 10:00AM, but that's up for being pushed back. If you show up to the lesswrong meetup on Saturday, we can discuss it all in one place. 11:04 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07 < Mokbortolan_> lesswrong meetup? 11:07 * Mokbortolan_ checks it out. 11:07 < Mokbortolan_> I forget about meatspace sometimes... 11:08 < jrayhawk> I've never been to one before, so I have no idea if they're well organized or worth going to. 11:08 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-59-67.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:09 < jrayhawk> Lucky Labs are crappy venues in general, so I am slightly suspicious. 11:12 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 < Mokbortolan_> it's not that bad 11:40 < Mokbortolan_> a big room with tables 11:40 < Mokbortolan_> not *too* shabby 11:41 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.192] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:20 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.192] has quit [Quit: laters] 12:25 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:48 * kirka sleeps 12:48 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95-161-252-108.broadband.spb.TiERA.org] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 12:50 < jrayhawk> The Lucky Labs typically have zero sound absorbtion, big crowds, and some of them have appallingly noisy industrial equipment. 13:00 < docl> jrayhawk: That the portland meetup? I should really get up early and come one of these times. 13:01 < docl> actually 10am isn't that bad. I just tend to get stuck online all morning. 13:02 < jrayhawk> The LW thing is at noon on Saturday 13:11 < jrayhawk> If you also want to show up for the biochemistry thing, that's cool, just let me know. 13:11 < jrayhawk> Salem seems like a bit of a drive, though. 13:17 <@kanzure> can someone check my work? this is a disassembled function and my java equivalent 13:18 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/apk/readint.txt 13:18 <@kanzure> does it make sense? i'm a little skeptical that i have it right 13:20 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, wish you were here man!! 13:21 < delinquentme> nerd . down . PGH . 2012 =P 13:27 <@kanzure> i would beat you into a bloody mess and force you to write better software 13:27 <@kanzure> you wouldn't like me being around you 13:28 <@kanzure> on a related note, i am now offering $800/hour software tutoring 13:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-232-195.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 < delinquentme> haha 13:41 < delinquentme> wow 13:41 < delinquentme> I'm looking for a portable hot spot 13:41 < delinquentme> suggestions? 13:41 <@kanzure> aircrack-ng 13:42 <@kanzure> and giant wifi antennae 13:42 < chris_99> also most android phones let you setup a mobile hotspot 13:43 <@kanzure> if you need a dummy gui then i suggest barnacle.apk 13:43 <@kanzure> http://github.com/szym/barnacle 13:44 <@kanzure> http://szym.net/apk/barnacle_latest.apk 13:47 < delinquentme> except im gonna be on a train 13:47 < delinquentme> lol 13:49 < chris_99> i've just 3G on a train before 14:00 <@kanzure> i hate my isp 14:16 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 14:17 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 <@kanzure> i hate my isp https://github.com/kanzure/dpc2100-toolbelt 14:28 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 14:42 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:53 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@203.118.181.245] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:56 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:04 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 15:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-232-195.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23 < bkero> I hate my new ISP :/ 15:24 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:35 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:41 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.192] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:02 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:21 <@kanzure> roksprok: sup? 16:22 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.192] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:26 -!- cpopell [~AndChat39@pool-173-66-228-144.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 < cpopell> Hmm 16:28 < cpopell> This working? 16:40 < Mokbortolan_> yes 16:40 < Mokbortolan_> oh hey! 16:40 < Mokbortolan_> you're on my facebook 16:41 < Mokbortolan_> my house owner 16:42 < Mokbortolan_> whoopsd, wrong chat 16:47 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-232-195.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:58 < roksprok> kanzure:nm...I was planning on going to a cambrian genomics thing at biocurious last night, but its like 2 hours away and i'd have to leave half way through...i should get a car. I was super curious about them too 16:59 < roksprok> oops no link...not sure how i did that... 17:02 <@kanzure> roksprok: fenn lives with the cambrian genomics people 17:02 <@kanzure> and i know half of them (not austen or reese, though) i think 17:02 < roksprok> cool...so I guess they're legit then? 17:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-232-195.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:04 <@kanzure> roksprok: http://anselmlevskaya.com/ 17:05 < roksprok> any papers on their process, or is it still 'stealth' 17:05 <@kanzure> it's "stealth".. but my understanding is that they are just using sequencing to improve synthesis outcomes 17:08 < roksprok> oooo...i thought that was like...par for the course? ha i guess i need to read some synthesis stuff 17:09 <@kanzure> nmz787 has some mroe detailed notes about what they are doing.. there's possibly a microarray and laser involved somewhere. 17:09 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@89.182.172.203] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 < roksprok> cool i'll ask him for a linky, or are they on diyhpl.us? 17:10 <@kanzure> nothing on the wiki sorry 17:11 <@kanzure> they presented at the military thing with the fbi but DOD asked me to not take transcripts 17:11 <@kanzure> as a result i have no clue what's going on 17:13 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:19 < roksprok> ah cool no probs 17:32 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 17:58 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@89.182.172.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24 -!- roksprok [~Zac@12.46.132.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:35 <@kanzure> oh look i spotted people talking about me on the internets 18:35 <@kanzure> https://plus.google.com/u/0/113539880459449261884/posts/bQmiSNSNfpc 18:35 <@kanzure> (thingiverse stuff) 18:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-165-119.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-165-119.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 18:47 < Juul> Hm, could it be that section 3.2 in their terms of use is simply left over from back when they had the "All rights reserved" option as secondary license? 18:47 < Juul> I think that is likely 18:48 <@kanzure> i'm just happy people are thinking about alternatives. if github comes out on top, i think it's a net win because then i don't have to write as many thing scrapers. 18:52 < Juul> hah 18:52 <@kanzure> i still think a package format needs to be decided on 18:52 <@kanzure> a recent "openhardwarehub.com" fellow was trying to push an xml standard 18:53 <@kanzure> and makerbot is trying to do a .thing format which is just zip of .stl and .obj (which is practically useless) 18:53 <@kanzure> i don't think xml is going to win the race to the bottom on this one 18:53 <@kanzure> but .stl isn't enough to define what a thing is 18:54 <@kanzure> and what happens when the .thing has a .mmp file from nanoengineer? software explodes? 18:57 < Juul> what is mmp? 18:57 <@kanzure> nanoengineer has a custom file format for placing molecules around 18:57 <@kanzure> sort of like pdb 18:57 <@kanzure> (it also works with pdb) 18:57 < Juul> ah 18:58 <@kanzure> i think they just wanted something to experiment with, since messing with the .pdb format would attract anger :P 19:00 < Juul> ok, that makes sense 19:11 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: yo 19:11 < yashgaroth> whatup 19:16 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:20 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37 <@kanzure> did dinosaurs sneeze? 19:38 < yashgaroth> gonna go with yes 19:38 <@kanzure> do birds? 19:38 <@kanzure> i haven't noticed if birds do or not, i guess that would tell us about dinos 19:39 < yashgaroth> reptiles apparently do 19:39 <@kanzure> huh. 19:39 < yashgaroth> humorous youtube videos confirm birds for sneeze 19:39 < yashgaroth> brb 19:39 <@kanzure> ah. 19:43 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:44 <@kanzure> nmz787: yo. 19:44 < delinquentme> hands nmz787, beer 19:45 < delinquentme> lol annnnddd im designing! 19:45 < Juul> i have chickens 19:45 < Juul> pretty sure i've seen the sneeze 19:46 < brownies> great question kanzure . 19:46 < brownies> did dinosaurs talk? since, you know, parrots can talk 19:47 < Juul> yeah, but the only thing they said was "success! my time machine worked, now to AAAAAAAAAAAAA!" 19:47 -!- roksprok [~Zac@12.46.132.146] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 19:48 < Juul> it became garbled after millions of years though 19:48 <@kanzure> Juul: don't you live in downtown sf? how do you have chickens? 19:49 < Juul> kanzure, i live in west oakland 19:49 <@kanzure> oh 19:49 < Juul> super cheap, and one bart stop away 19:55 < delinquentme> Juul, you have chickens O_o;;? 19:56 < delinquentme> as like pets or food? 19:56 < Juul> delinquentme, for eggs! though they're not laying eggs yet. 19:56 < delinquentme> OHHH SMART. 19:57 < Juul> planning on feeding them somewhat from the overflowing dumpsters of berkeley bowl 19:57 < Juul> someone even has a rooster in our neighborhood 19:57 < Juul> not sure where 19:57 < Juul> luckily the crowing doesn't wake me up 19:58 < Juul> chickens are like $2 each 19:58 < Juul> if you get them 1 day old 19:58 < Juul> and they're shipped via normal usps 19:58 < Juul> totally weird 19:58 < Juul> you can only do it right after they hatch, since they then don't need food and water for two days 19:59 < Juul> we didn't get ours like that though 19:59 < Juul> usps isn't always gentle with their packages 20:05 < delinquentme> haha 20:05 < delinquentme> thats totally wild 20:05 < delinquentme> how many do you have? and you can basically feed them human food? 20:13 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:19 < ParahSailin> why would someone have a rooster? 20:21 < nmz787> hi all 20:22 * nmz787 has no non-virtual beer 20:22 < nmz787> i did however find that my 8 year old dexedrine seems to work 20:22 < nmz787> though the generic 7 year old stuff doesn't seem to 20:23 < nmz787> but that is a day time get-shit-done thing 20:23 < nmz787> man i've been lazy this summer 20:23 < nmz787> i worked twice this week, pretty hard, and was sore each day after 20:24 < ParahSailin> drugs dont typically go bad 20:24 < ParahSailin> they only go legally expired 20:24 < nmz787> first day i was splitting logs into firewood, and the second day i changed a basement window into stone like the foundation of the house 20:25 < nmz787> but i was doing it from the sidewalk, so i was constantly crouching and writhing around 20:25 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-165-119.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:25 < eudoxia> XML is so space inefficient 20:26 < eudoxia> if only HTML had been implemented as S-expressions... 20:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-165-119.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 20:30 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 -!- joshcryer [g@c-75-70-40-195.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 -!- joshcryer [g@c-75-70-40-195.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:36 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:37 <@kanzure> handy dandy: http://jsonip.com/ 20:37 <@kanzure> but i like http://httpbin.org/ 20:41 < chevbird> ok 20:45 < nmz787> so my UC proxy access is ending on the 30th 20:45 < nmz787> which means less paper access :( 20:49 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:54 <@kanzure> nmz787: quick, signup for a cheap class and then fail it 20:57 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58 < nmz787> heh heh 20:58 < nmz787> well i'll still have RIT proxy access 20:58 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:58 < nmz787> but the UC access was much better 21:01 < skorket> evening all 21:05 -!- roksprok [~Zac@ip-64-134-233-79.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:07 < nmz787> hi 21:16 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 < AdrianG> so um 21:16 < AdrianG> anyone is taking metformin? 21:20 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a6315cf sydney biohacking group link 21:32 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:54 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:55 -!- roksprok [~Zac@ip-64-134-233-79.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 22:03 < nmz787> so midget genetics, what's up with that 22:03 < nmz787> we have toy pets 22:03 < nmz787> 'toy' 22:05 <@kanzure> is this your new comedy bit? it could use some work. 22:05 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-14-211.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07 < nmz787> no 22:07 < nmz787> i'm serious 22:07 < nmz787> it would be sweet to have a midget/'toy' elephant 22:07 < nmz787> i was also wondering if smaller dogs have less mental capacity than larger breeds 22:08 < nmz787> like, what's the difference genetically of a pinscher vs mini-pinscher 22:08 <@kanzure> btw, most breeders aren't doing genetics work yet 22:08 < nmz787> if its common in multiple species, maybe we can translate it to others 22:08 < nmz787> like mini-cows 22:09 <@kanzure> even if they think they have a winning pedigree, it's still very much a multi-generational waiting game 22:09 < nmz787> fresh milk, small, like juul's chickens 22:09 < nmz787> right but i'm talking big vs little 22:09 < nmz787> not neccesarily pure-bred, etc 22:13 < nmz787> go texas http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/08/23/1552222/wiki-weapon-project-wants-your-3d-printable-guns?sdsrc=popbyskid 22:14 <@kanzure> does this include gene guns 22:16 < nmz787> I bet Cody would say 'Yes' 22:25 < brownies> nmz787: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjWYbcbpiWA 22:25 < brownies> you can start by calling that giraffe breeder 22:26 <@kanzure> it amuses me that there's someone who specializes in giraffe breeding 22:43 < nmz787> good cavitation demo 22:43 < nmz787> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77gWkl0ZUC8 22:43 < nmz787> Shatter beer bottles: Bare-handed bottle smash 22:45 < nmz787> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14B8LynojI4 22:45 < nmz787> DIY Liquid Nitrogen for Less Than $500 - Ben Krasnow 22:46 < delinquentme> nmz787, is cavitation general pressure? 22:46 < nmz787> http://benkrasnow.blogspot.com/2008/08/diy-liquid-nitrogen-generator.html 22:46 < nmz787> its temporary vacuum 22:46 < delinquentme> I thought cavitation is when some force is applied as to be sufficient to vaporize water and cause an expansion 22:47 < nmz787> but it can effect a powerful effect 22:47 < delinquentme> IE what damages props on boats and the like 22:47 < nmz787> no 22:47 < nmz787> its vacuum 22:48 < nmz787> props push the water so powerfully that small vacuums form, and then the water slams back 22:48 < nmz787> like a mass spring system 22:48 < nmz787> it might have to do with using piston engines, but I'm not sure 22:48 < nmz787> it could just be prop design causing the weird pressure vortices 22:49 < nmz787> (a piston engine would emit vibrations) 22:53 < nmz787> aww, one of his parts is ebay sourced 23:06 <@kanzure> nmz787: the biohacking group in sydney is trying to figure out a clever name 23:06 <@kanzure> ozbio might work? 23:07 <@kanzure> outback bio 23:07 <@kanzure> sydney isn't really the outback 23:09 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: you're good at this, you do it 23:10 < yashgaroth> lemme ruminate on that shit 23:10 < yashgaroth> throw another biohack on the barby 23:10 < yashgaroth> a biohack ate my baby oooh that one 23:11 <@kanzure> maybe i can convince them to adopt something gutsy like "australian bacteria enforcement agency" 23:14 < yashgaroth> nmz787 I recall a case study of a man who had a brain tumor that took up 90% of his skull 23:14 < nmz787> lol 23:14 < nmz787> wow 23:14 < yashgaroth> he was kind of dumb but married with kids so 23:15 < nmz787> was he a midget? 23:15 <@kanzure> i was trying to find that study once, actually 23:15 < nmz787> yashgaroth: can you get this 23:15 < nmz787> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iafp/jfp/1999/00000062/00000002/art00016?token=004d12f99a41333c4a2f7a736a5e3b20674723773b254f6d6222346b62687630502163b172b11 23:15 <@kanzure> i recalled it was something like "10% brain size" or something 23:15 < yashgaroth> how would I get an article 23:15 < nmz787> proxy access somewhere? 23:15 <@kanzure> i don't think he realizes that your source is me 23:15 < yashgaroth> ^ 23:16 < nmz787> well, shit 23:16 <@kanzure> and none of mine are green on that article 23:16 < nmz787> do i have to buy this damn article 23:16 < yashgaroth> I haven't been able to get articles for a couple years now 23:16 < nmz787> hmm 23:16 <@kanzure> nmz787: http://reddit.com/r/scholar 23:16 < yashgaroth> ingenta's a bunch of dicks about access, moreso than most 23:16 <@kanzure> or you can go to http://i-nobel.com/bbs/ and plead to the chinese 23:16 < nmz787> I wonder if there's a list of cheapest schools vs access to # of journals 23:16 <@kanzure> community colleges would be your best bet 23:16 <@kanzure> especially in rich cities 23:17 <@kanzure> well wait, no 23:17 < yashgaroth> I imagine their access is still pretty crap unless they're part of a state network 23:17 <@kanzure> they don't have much reason to subscribe to research journals 23:17 < yashgaroth> that too 23:17 <@kanzure> austincc.edu had some access, but it wasn't enough for me to stick around 23:18 < nmz787> man i need to have a kid quick and teach it to read and write chinese for me, so I can get this article 23:18 < nmz787> paywalls are getting steeper all the time... 23:18 <@kanzure> ask on diybio 23:18 < nmz787> now that is part of my comedy routine :P 23:19 <@kanzure> a lot of college students are on diybio, they have access 23:24 < nmz787> I think the selection is just X-gal on YPD agar plates 23:24 < nmz787> because the strain has constitutive lactase 23:25 < nmz787> so without IPTG or lactose to induce the non target strain's lac operon, you can differentiate 23:30 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 23:33 < nmz787> well I got this one at least http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/w00-107 23:34 < nmz787> yashgaroth: have you ever seen anyone in your field using either K.lactis or K.marxianus? 23:34 < yashgaroth> nope 23:34 < yashgaroth> are they interesting 23:34 < nmz787> hmm, I guess its limited to industrial scale fermenters 23:34 < nmz787> yeah 23:35 < nmz787> most efficient eukaryotes for protein production 23:35 < nmz787> http://www.amb-express.com/content/2/1/38 23:35 < nmz787> http://oba.od.nih.gov/oba/RAC/meetings/Dec2010/K_lactis_NEB_09172010.pdf 23:35 < nmz787> used to make rennet and laundry enzymes 23:36 < yashgaroth> yeast is still kinda niche, 90% is either e.coli or CHO 23:36 < yashgaroth> oh yeah industrial enzymes are a whole different story 23:36 < nmz787> i figure since its GRAS 23:36 < nmz787> its what i'll use for any projects 23:37 < yashgaroth> what cell lines aren't GRAS these days 23:37 < nmz787> oh? 23:37 < nmz787> I wouldn't drink e.coli 23:37 < nmz787> or CHO 23:37 < yashgaroth> I would for some money 23:37 < nmz787> i would drink milk fermented with k.lactis 23:37 < nmz787> (since its already there naturally) 23:38 < yashgaroth> "naturally" 23:38 < nmz787> heh 23:38 < nmz787> well, kefir has been consumed for a long time 23:38 < nmz787> that's safe enough for me 23:38 < yashgaroth> you're full of e.coli naturally, and cho is no different from eating some good ol' hamster ovaries 23:38 < nmz787> but milk is cheap and everywhere 23:39 < nmz787> i doubt i would really have to mix in anything 23:39 < nmz787> unless I wanted to supplement some engineered pathway 23:41 < yashgaroth> what's wrong with using pichia 23:42 < nmz787> doesnt that eat methanol? 23:42 < yashgaroth> or s cerevisiae 23:43 < yashgaroth> yeah dude bonus you don't get methanol poisoning cuz the yeast cleared that shit out for you 23:43 < nmz787> hmm 23:43 < yashgaroth> and it's still far more characterized than some lactase yeast 23:43 < nmz787> well is there no reason then for the industrial use of k.lactis over the others? 23:43 < yashgaroth> where do they claim 'most efficient eukaryotes'? 23:45 < nmz787> hmm 23:45 < nmz787> i dont think i dreamt that 23:45 < yashgaroth> I see 'most theoretically efficient at producing alcohol' which is nice but it's not protein 23:50 < nmz787> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19087200 23:50 < nmz787> 52 min cell cycle 23:52 < yashgaroth> that's only a big concern if you need to get a 1000L bioreactor running Right Now, but otherwise I'm worried it'd be spending too much time replicating and not enough time producing my proteins 23:52 < nmz787> hmm 23:53 < nmz787> it's nice that it's already widely eaten 23:53 < nmz787> makes it seem safe to me 23:53 < yashgaroth> I wouldn't drink a jug of it 23:53 < nmz787> the crabtree-negative effect seems like it would be a good thing 23:54 < nmz787> which means when there's a lot of glucose, it doesn't make ethanol (but still can under anoxic conditions) 23:54 < nmz787> wouldn't that mean the energy in is going to stuff like protein production? 23:54 < nmz787> instead of ethanol (byproduct) 23:55 < nmz787> and ethanol enzymes 23:55 < yashgaroth> I wouldn't imagine any cell would ferment glucose to ethanol if it had oxygen 23:55 < yashgaroth> and was aerobic 23:56 < yashgaroth> I guess it could save some energy by not bothering with that pathway, but if it's already low expression you're not saving much 23:56 < nmz787> says s cerevisae is crabtree-positive 23:56 < nmz787> http://mic.sgmjournals.org/content/114/2/267.full.pdf 23:57 < nmz787> wait 23:58 < nmz787> you said you would drink a gallon of it 23:58 < nmz787> but doesnt drinking a gallon of milk make you puke as it is, unfermented? 23:58 < yashgaroth> when did I say that 23:58 < yashgaroth> [23:53:53] .:yashgaroth:. I wouldn't drink a jug of it 23:59 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_chugging#Medical_explanation 23:59 < nmz787> oh 23:59 < yashgaroth> I'm more worried about it getting to my intestines and doing all sorts of wacky shit --- Log closed Sat Sep 22 00:00:14 2012