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The goal is to create the greatest and the most advance computational neuroscience group under one roof." 07:24 <@kanzure> http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Scholarpedia:2012_Brain_Corporation_Prize_in_Computational_Neuroscience 07:27 <@kanzure> http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Bryan_Bishop/Proposed/Generating_realistic_neuron_morphology_to_inform_and_test_scanning_and_connectomics_initatives 07:27 <@kanzure> well it seems i have to be a "world-class expert" that they already know in order to be approved 07:27 <@kanzure> so, fuck that 07:29 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-24-63-134-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:30 < archels> Izhikevich isn't a stranger to some self-inflation. 07:33 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:40 <@kanzure> archels: screw 'em 07:40 <@kanzure> qr code fail http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4570216 07:41 <@kanzure> "Maybe they got the idea from Google Code, which helpfully shows me a QR code for the tarball I'm about to download, for all those times I'm using the browser on my desktop and the IDE on my phone." 07:41 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [] 07:46 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:47 <@kanzure> http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2012/07/03/richard-smith-medical-journals-a-gaggle-of-golden-geese/ 07:47 <@kanzure> "According to the editor of the British Medical Journal, Dr. Richard Smith, 'The major journals try to counterbalance the might of the pharmaceutical industry, but it is an unequal battle -- not least because the journals themselves profit from publishing studies funded by the industry." 07:47 <@kanzure> "According to Dr. Smith, this can amount to more than $1 million for a single article. At the same time that medical journals are given incentives to please the drug companies, they are also given strong disincentives to go against drug company interests. According to Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor of NEJM, editors of medical journals exercise self-censorship -- trying to avoid offending their chief advertisers, the drug companies." 07:49 < foucist_> kanzure: i'm sure the brain corp will need programmers 07:50 < Mariu> corporation ? 07:53 < Mariu> nevermind :p it's corporation I guess =] 07:53 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-b klafka!*@*] by kanzure 07:59 < foucist_> Mariu: yeah,pretty standard contraction i think 07:59 < Mariu> foucist: got it 08:15 < archels> Can anyone access this PDF? www.crcnetbase.com/doi/pdf/10.1201/NOE0415380416.ch63 08:16 < Mariu> Poromechanics III - Biot Centennial (1905-2005):; Numerical aspects of multiionic transport in electrolytic solutions 2005 (access for 72 hours for US $20.00) 08:17 < Mariu> not really, no 08:35 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:40 <@kanzure> oh yessssssz 08:40 <@kanzure> http://ieeelog.com/ 08:40 <@kanzure> ieee passwords 08:41 <@kanzure> " ftp://ftp.ieee.org/uploads/akamai/ (closed on September 24 around 13:00 UTC, after I reported it). " 08:41 <@kanzure> fuck that guy 08:42 < Mariu> :o 08:42 <@kanzure> "However, I did not, and plan not to release the raw log data to anyone else" 08:43 <@kanzure> noooooo 08:43 < chris_99> heh 08:43 <@kanzure> he is the worst 08:44 <@kanzure> juul: can you get one of your posse to go steal his logs? i'm sure it's on a laptop somewhere in his house 08:45 < Mariu> =] 08:45 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 -!- CIA-137 [cia@cia.vc] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:17 < skorket> hey kanzure, do you have anything in your archives about non-engineered lateral gene transfer? 09:42 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:19 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:27 <@kanzure> skorket: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ComP,%20a%20pilin-like%20protein%20essential%20for%20natural%20competence%20in%20Acinetobacter%20sp%20strain%20BD413%20-%20regulation,%20modification%20and%20cellular%20localization.pdf 10:27 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Genetic%20transformation%20in%20freshwater%20-%20Escherichia%20coli%20is%20able%20to%20develop%20natural%20competence.pdf 10:28 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/natural_competence.txt 10:31 < skorket> thanks 10:33 -!- Urchin[Emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:18 <@kanzure> http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Makerbot-Reviews-E480203.htm 11:24 < skorket> Bre Pettis == Steve Jobs? 11:25 <@kanzure> unlikely. 11:25 <@kanzure> lots of people think they are steve jobs 11:25 <@kanzure> none of them are. 11:25 <@kanzure> http://www.openbiotech.com/ 11:25 <@kanzure> "Ultimately, we anticipate no less than an industry-wide collapse of biological reagent pricing as a direct result of our open source policies." 11:26 <@kanzure> i don't understand. are their sequences any different from other sequences? are their proteins special for some reason? 11:28 < Urchin[Emacs]> Steve Jobs was good at making cults, at least 11:29 < Urchin[Emacs]> it looks like here it's simply that the product makes a cult all by itself 11:29 <@kanzure> what product? 11:29 < Urchin[Emacs]> makerbot 11:29 < Urchin[Emacs]> of course 11:29 <@kanzure> ok what cult? 11:29 <@kanzure> i think you're talking out of your ass, i'm just trying to get you to explain yourself 11:30 < Urchin[Emacs]> you mean about Steve Jobs? 11:30 < Urchin[Emacs]> sorry, this is a bit too confusing 11:30 <@kanzure> about bre pettis. 11:30 <@kanzure> bre is just some guy. he's not steve. 11:31 < skorket> steve was some guy before he was steve. Not saying he is, but he's making a product that seems to have a large following. He has a store in NYC. He's cognisant of style. And he apparently has a huge ego too 11:31 <@kanzure> i also have a low opinion of steve jobs 11:31 < Mariu> sweet 11:32 < Mariu> especially after that speech of his 11:32 <@kanzure> but, as low of steve as i think, bre just doesn't match his skill 11:34 < delinquentme> ^ 11:35 < Urchin[Emacs]> I have a very low opinion of Steve Jobs, and I consider him mostly as a new age cult leader who hapened to be working with computers for a time 11:37 <@kanzure> the compulsion to try to compare people to steve jobs is very strange to me 11:40 < Urchin[Emacs]> I don't find it all that strange 11:40 < Urchin[Emacs]> and I don't have a strong opinion about it 11:47 <@kanzure> perhaps you should get one 11:50 <@kanzure> "The IEEE is an association, and doesn't actually have any engineers working for it." 11:50 <@kanzure> this amuses me 11:52 < Urchin[Emacs]> lol 12:09 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.wiley.com/public/journals/jcc/suppmat/readme.txt 12:11 <@kanzure> http://www.benthamscience.com/ 12:11 <@kanzure> oops 12:11 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.benthamscience.com/pub/ 12:12 < strangewarp> Steve Jobs made computers the way that people who don't know about computers wanted computers to be. 12:12 < strangewarp> So of course he's an idol to them. 12:12 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.acs.org/acsbooks/ 12:13 <@kanzure> hah 12:13 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.acs.org/windows/Office%202010%20Professional/ 12:14 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.acs.org/pub/outgoing/careers/ 12:15 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.acs.org/pub/incoming/shadow 12:15 < Mariu> strangewarp, well said ! 12:16 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.acs.org/pub/mem/mem_retention/ACS%20Renewal%20Counts%20Feb%2009.xls 12:19 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.aip.org/ 12:23 <@kanzure> this lists 'passwd' as a file. just saying. ftp://ftp.aip.org/etc/ 12:26 <@kanzure> ftp://ftp.elsevier.com/elsevier-out/ 12:26 < Mokbortolan_1> PSA: http://blogs.computerworld.com/malware-and-vulnerabilities/21056/another-critical-java-vulnerability-puts-1-billion-users-risk 12:52 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 < strangewarp> Hm. I wonder how far away we are from 3D-printed potentiometers. 13:00 < strangewarp> Actually.. huh. You could probably make a simple slide pot pretty easily, if you installed the contacts and resistive substance yourself.. 13:07 < chris_99> they print carbon resistors on PCBs although that's not the same 13:07 < strangewarp> Yeah, those are a pain in the ass to replace when they wear out, though 13:09 < chris_99> didn't know resistors did wear out tbh 13:10 < strangewarp> Oh, sorry, they print carbon potentiometer-sliders onto PCBs as well 13:10 < strangewarp> Sorry, my mind collapsed "resistor" and "potentiometer" into the same category there :p 13:10 < chris_99> ah heh 13:11 < strangewarp> Newer low-end electronic music gear will just have its sliders incorporated into the case, and sliding cross a carbon film that's been printed onto the PCB 13:11 < strangewarp> This is why companies like Behringer will just send you a replacement mixer, instead of repairing your old one, when one of the sliders wears out 13:12 < strangewarp> Since I'm not dums, I bought a Mackie, and it's likely to last me until I'm either famous or dead :3 13:13 < strangewarp> but yeah, 3D-printing poetntiometers might be surprisingly easy, hm 13:13 < strangewarp> ..poet'ntiometers.. yes fine 13:14 < chris_99> i find it interesting that the 'reprap' is called a replicating printer 13:14 < chris_99> when the majority of it needs to be bought 13:14 <@kanzure> adrian hopes it will be one day self-replicating 13:14 <@kanzure> but yes i agree that it was prematurely named replicating 13:15 < strangewarp> yeah, that always struck me as overly optimistic marketing that could backfire 13:15 <@kanzure> "oh it can print its own plastic parts!" that's cool and all, but those aren't the interesting parts. 13:21 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Gore_Police 13:26 < strangewarp> Plot synopsis is.. interesting 13:32 < delinquentme> random: anyone happen to know how long it takes for concrete to soft set? I've got a mold i poured it into and I'm wondering how long it will take before I can pull the sides of the mold off 13:32 < delinquentme> also working w concrete is for the birds 13:35 <@kanzure> 3 hours 13:36 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 13:49 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:49 -!- ThomasEgi_ is now known as ThomasEgi 13:49 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:49 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:59 -!- He||eshin is now known as Helleshin 14:02 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:56 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:56 <@kanzure> so what's this about maradydd getting a castle 15:01 < jrayhawk> no fair i want a castle 15:26 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgjaraqbjpotmfcp] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:08 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnzmmrzjvcipupjp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwihhkpvblhtspzo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:38 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwihhkpvblhtspzo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45 < alusion> Good evening gentlemen 16:50 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kyxjnwydoccxceyp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 17:03 -!- OldCoder [~OldCoder@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04 -!- OldCoder [~OldCoder@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:35 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:45 <@kanzure> "The second is derived from the biopunk movement in which people create synthetic biology using DIYbio. In this context, biohacking refers to mixing and matching genes and characteristics from different species." 17:45 <@kanzure> wikipedia is awful 17:47 < yashgaroth> baaaaaah 17:47 < yashgaroth> also feh 17:47 <@kanzure> who the hell wrote that? i bet it was that dave assey fellow that jrayhawk likes so much 17:47 < yashgaroth> heh...assey 17:47 < yashgaroth> anyway what's wrong with calling it 'bodyhacking'? 17:48 <@kanzure> because that doesn't help their personal brands 17:48 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biohacking 17:48 <@kanzure> feel free to edit the fuck out of that 17:50 <@kanzure> and for references: 17:51 < yashgaroth> I need to find out who changed genetic engineering to the "second" and beat them mercilessly...editing is for suckas 17:51 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/news 17:51 <@kanzure> yeah, i don't know how they think that's acceptable at all 17:51 <@kanzure> tim ferris? give me a break 17:52 < yashgaroth> "Brianhkerr", you're about get an ass-whoopin' 17:52 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 < yashgaroth> I might as well give it up and just use biopunk instead...or biofunk, but that sounds like it smells bad 17:55 <@kanzure> it *does* smell bad 17:55 < brownies> biojazz 17:56 < brownies> evolution is just improvisation, baby! 17:56 < yashgaroth> I *do* love reefers 17:57 < yashgaroth> maybe I can call it biofuckallyall so people won't put it in books about fucking fad diets or however biohacking gets used these days 17:59 <@kanzure> good plan 18:00 <@kanzure> "Brianhkerr (talk | contribs)‎ . . 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(undo)" 18:00 <@kanzure> oh i see 18:00 <@kanzure> yeah, that's not biased. -_- 18:01 < yashgaroth> lemme go nmap his ISP and backtrace his packets with a for loop 18:02 < yashgaroth> ...haskell 18:03 <@kanzure> "DNA synthesis is already less than a penny per 50 bases, using DNA from chips based on our 2004 Nature paper. 18:03 <@kanzure> (Some rich labs still pay 2000 times that amount per base even for large projects 8 years later)." 18:03 <@kanzure> " LS9 has moved well such beyond research to industrial scale oil-producing bacteria factory in Florida. 18:03 <@kanzure> http://www.industrialinfo.com/showAbstract.jsp?newsitemID=228784 " 18:06 <@kanzure> "He claims to have shaved 20 years off his biochemistry and increased his IQ by as much as 40 points through 'smart pills', diet and biology-enhancing gadgets." 18:06 <@kanzure> i increased my iq 200 points. 18:07 < ParahSailin_> what a complete fruitbat 18:07 < yashgaroth> biology-enhancing gadgets? like he uses the internet to solve IQ tests? 18:07 <@kanzure> sigh 18:07 <@kanzure> i can't believe people buy that 18:07 <@kanzure> well, yes i can. but i can't that wikipedia allows it. 18:09 < brownies> kanzure: what the goddamn fuck? where is that from? 18:09 <@kanzure> wikipedia bro 18:09 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biohacking 18:09 < brownies> well, i guess it is prefaced with "He claims" 18:09 < brownies> i could claim some stupid shit too, i guess. 18:09 <@kanzure> who cares what he claims 18:09 < brownies> oh, fucking Dave Asprey 18:09 < brownies> i read his blog, and bought his coffee beans 18:09 <@kanzure> why... 18:09 < brownies> most disgusting coffee i've ever tasted 18:10 <@kanzure> this is why you guys should stop reading blogs 18:10 < brownies> well, i needed to buy coffee beans anyway, so i was like "oh, i guess his look magical" 18:10 < brownies> so... i bought some magic beans... and they turned out to be worthless. 18:10 < brownies> when i put it that way, i sound like a real idiot. -_- 18:11 <@kanzure> it's okay. marketing strikes when you least expect it. 18:11 <@kanzure> i typed in my email address in a box in 2009 and i've regretted it ever since. 18:11 < brownies> haha. 18:11 < brownies> this wikipedia article doesn't even have periods on the ends of the sentences. 18:11 <@kanzure> bioperiods..... or maybe not 18:12 < yashgaroth> eww 18:12 < yashgaroth> Brian Henning Kerr, author of "QuantifiedScience.com" AHA 18:12 <@kanzure> do these people take themselves seriously? 18:13 < yashgaroth> is there some clause in wikipedia about pimping your own fucking blog? 18:13 <@kanzure> most def 18:13 < yashgaroth> to the revert room! 18:13 <@kanzure> i think it all needs to be reverted 18:14 <@kanzure> even if tim ferris has a legit claim about takling about it, i don't think that should be the focus of the article. 18:14 <@kanzure> *talking 18:15 <@kanzure> also, if biohacking is going to end up with self-promoting assholes, i want out 18:16 < alusion> Do any of ya'll have a blog? 18:16 < alusion> Also is kanzure a spin-off from cancer? xD 18:16 -!- alusion was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [alusion] 18:16 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:17 < alusion> ಠ‿ರೃ 18:17 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o yashgaroth] by kanzure 18:17 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o brownies] by kanzure 18:20 <@yashgaroth> "@Brianhkerr #Lifehacker, #Biohacker, and Knowledge Mongerer. Tennis playing, Tea Drinker, Thinker" wow that south park episode about SF was true, no offense to our SF people 18:21 < alusion> So you know how different frequencies have different effects on the mind and our behavior / mood? 18:21 <@kanzure> fuck dude, go away 18:21 < alusion> What's your problem? 18:22 < alusion> Serious question, you seem to be here 24/7 and everytime I want to talk you seem to have a cactus up your ass and the red flags already flared 18:22 < docl> alusion: he isn't tuned in on an optimal frequency yet. send him some good vibes. 18:23 < alusion> Sorry you're right 18:23 < alusion> I find it enjoyable, I like his spunk 18:23 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: https://www.startssl.com/ eh? 18:23 < alusion> I just want some intelligent conversation :\ 18:23 <@kanzure> alusion: you're an idiot and can't remember our first conversation 18:23 <@yashgaroth> then try being intelligent Oooooh sick burn 18:24 < alusion> I remember you got pissed off about my retro encabulator 18:24 < docl> so, um, frequencies. you mean like brainwaves? 18:25 < alusion> I meant external frequencies 18:25 <@kanzure> "And of course, we now have evidence that educated users practice superior computer security; compare "1234" (the most popular password among the general populace) to "123456" (the most popular password among IEEE members). That's at least 50% more secure!" 18:25 < Mariu> lol 18:25 < docl> alusion: brainwave entrainment stuff? 18:26 < docl> alusion: or you mean color? or sound? 18:26 < alusion> No like, you heard of the experiment they did with prisoners where they would shoot different frequencies and they had a receiver wired up to certain parts of the cranium or something, and studied behavior patterns and the like. 18:27 < alusion> Basically showing how different frequencies can have different effects, would you like me to find the study before continuing so I may base off some sauce? 18:28 < alusion> I would imagine ya'll to be already aware of such programs though =\ 18:28 <@yashgaroth> I think you'd better had 18:28 < ParahSailin_> i keep my facebook password set to 123456 18:28 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: that's the only way to be sure 18:29 < ParahSailin_> people keep changing it, so every time someone sends me a link i have to open in facebook, i have to reset it back 18:37 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:40 <@kanzure> lessawful 18:40 <@kanzure> lesslikepukeinmymouth 18:42 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:54 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 <@brownies> ooh... check out my fancy hat 18:58 <@brownies> so, who was it here that was experimenting with piracetam? 18:59 < strangewarp> I was doing aniracetam but now I'm doing noopept/Cognizin 19:00 <@brownies> noopept is too mysterious and not well-studied enough for me 19:00 <@brownies> it *sounds* nice, but... just not enough data. 19:00 < strangewarp> Yeah, I'm still considering whether to continue with noopept after I run out of what I currently have 19:01 < strangewarp> (120 capsules from Brainpower Nutriceuticals) 19:02 <@brownies> why? how do you like it? how long have you been taking it? 19:02 <@brownies> heh, sorry for the inquisition... can't help it 19:02 < strangewarp> It's working well, like a very strong version of aniracetam, which makes sense 19:03 < strangewarp> It hasn't necessarily helped my notoriouxly lax work ethic, but it's like an ultra antidepressant, an order of magnitude more reliable than SSRIs 19:04 <@brownies> i see 19:05 <@brownies> why'd you pick aniracetam over piracetam, btw? 19:05 < strangewarp> Arbitrary reasons, I guess 19:05 <@brownies> afaict piracetam seems to be the usual starting point 19:05 <@brownies> ah ok 19:06 < strangewarp> I may respond to nootropics by becoming only marginally more productive, but way, way less depressed 19:06 * strangewarp shrug 19:09 < strangewarp> So basically I'm doomed to taking them every day now, or else I will be the same horribly depressed person I used to be, which kind of sucks 19:09 < strangewarp> but whatever 19:11 <@brownies> strangewarp: i see 19:19 < strangewarp> I have noticed that after about 140 days on nootropics of various kinds, I'm almost instinctually less concerned with inconsequential natter - this has had the negative effect of making me zone out when my neurotic family is saying things to me sometimes 19:20 < strangewarp> It's kind of funny really, but maybe not for them :p 19:21 < strangewarp> It might just be a thing thathappens to people naturally around age 25, though 19:21 <@brownies> heh 19:23 < strangewarp> Oh, actually, I miscounted - it's been about 200 days 19:24 <@brownies> strangewarp: what source did you use/read to figure out dosage and schedules and etc? 19:26 < strangewarp> 30mg noopept per 24 hours is the maximum recommended dose, and half the absolute maximum dose 19:26 < strangewarp> 250mg Cognizin + 250mg Alpha-GPC is what's in Nawgan, a nootropic energy drink that worked well for me in the past 19:27 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ganrcghbuzipwwlk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 < strangewarp> Bit spendy though; might end up dropping the Alpha-GPC once I run out, since the noopept's pills are filled out with 615mg choline citraet anyway 19:27 < strangewarp> citrate* 19:28 < strangewarp> Haven't noticed much difference between Alpha-GPC and choline citrate for absorption, despite the hype 19:29 <@yashgaroth> "absolute maximum dose"? what happens when you OD on noopept? 19:29 < strangewarp> yashgaroth: liver damage 19:30 <@yashgaroth> ah 19:30 < foucist_> strangewarp: i found that after reading some libertarian material & ayn rand for the second time back when i was around 23, i abruptly stopped arguing with anyone about anything of a deep/philosophical nature 19:30 < foucist_> and becamse less concerned with inconsequential natter 19:31 < strangewarp> foucist: weird. I found that after reading some deep/philosophical material for the seccond time when I was around 23, I stopped trying to argue with anyone about anything of a libertarian nature :p 19:31 < foucist_> strangewarp: well i mean i don't argue at all in general 19:31 < foucist_> ever since something flipped in my head 19:32 < foucist_> realized that it's too complex and it depends entirely on people's educations and knowledge.. too hard to educate people when arguing so i don't bother anymore 19:32 < strangewarp> that's the oddest thing, that exact same thing happened to me, right down to the metaphorical sensation of something flipping over in my head 19:34 <@brownies> strangewarp: jesus, the effective dose is a full 50% of the toxic dose? 19:34 <@brownies> that's extremely fucking disconcerting 19:34 < strangewarp> brownies: the effective dose is much less 19:34 < strangewarp> it just gets more effective as you get closer to the toxic dose. I'll never exceed 50% of that, and I'm always keeping careful track of my timing. 19:34 <@brownies> i wouldn't want to mess with anything where the ratio was anything remotely like that 19:35 < strangewarp> shrug, Brainpower packages them at 30mg per capsule, and they're cheaper than the more-diluted gelcap suppliers 19:36 <@brownies> haha. not a very good reason. 19:37 < strangewarp> As long as you don't exceed the absolute limit of 30mg per 12 hours, you're fine. I'm doing 30mg per 24 hours. If I ever get any weird side-effects, I'll drop it cold-turkey, but honestly I doubt that'll happen. 19:39 <@brownies> i like to see 10x, or preferably >100x difference between "effective" and "toxic" 19:39 <@brownies> granted, i'm super-conservative about that sort of thing. 19:40 < ParahSailin_> 50% of the toxic dose? 19:41 < ParahSailin_> what fraction of the ld50 is the effective dose 19:42 < strangewarp> brownies: Man, the effective dose of noopept is (I think something like) 5mg per 24 hours. So that's... 1/12 the toxic dose. 19:43 < strangewarp> ParahSailin_: Unsure what noopept's ld50 is; I just know the dosage at which you risk liver damage. 19:44 < ParahSailin_> so toxic, not lethal-- not so scary then 19:48 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.230] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:49 <@brownies> right, it's different from the LD50, but, still, i like my liver. 19:54 < strangewarp> I like my liver as well, which is why I'm being careful :p 19:54 -!- Urchin[Emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:07 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:09 -!- AdrienG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:09 -!- AdrianG is now known as AdrienG 20:29 <@kanzure> beep boop 20:30 <@kanzure> so forrest is telling me about http://hplusmagazine.com/2011/02/06/mutate-or-die-a-w-s-burroughs-biotechnological-bestiary/ 20:30 <@kanzure> these guys wanted to make a gene gun to shoot famous people's poop into your testicales 20:31 <@yashgaroth> haha I remember that 20:31 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:32 <@kanzure> hplusmagazine: all the poop that can fit in your nuts 20:32 <@yashgaroth> in your 3d-printed nuts* 20:33 <@yashgaroth> (I was sad but not at all surprised when I found that article eudoxia was referring to) 20:34 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:34 -!- ThomasEgi_ is now known as ThomasEgi 20:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:41 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:54 <@kanzure> beep boop 20:57 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 <@kanzure> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/dive-into-great-barrier-reef-with-first_25.html 21:00 <@brownies> hmm 21:02 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 48e29d1 biohacking article from checkbiotech.org 21:04 <@kanzure> that was http://greenbio.checkbiotech.org/news/amateur_scientists_build_lego_style_synthetic_biobricks_public_lab 21:08 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40 -!- roksprok_ [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41 -!- roksprok_ is now known as roksprok 21:48 -!- cpopell_ [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:52 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:53 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:58 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-24-128-26-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:59 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-24-128-26-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:23 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 22:31 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Wed Sep 26 00:00:37 2012