--- Log opened Thu Sep 27 00:00:38 2012 00:10 < klafka> hey kanzure et al what do you think of http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/formlabs/form-1-an-affordable-professional-3d-printer 00:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- Intellex [Intellex@cpe-75-80-110-69.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 00:36 < bkero> not open source 00:36 < bkero> fuck.that.noise. 00:39 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:18 -!- OldCoder is now known as BoldCoder 01:29 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:39 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- BoldCoder is now known as AlertCoder 01:58 -!- AlertCoder is now known as SleepyCoder 01:58 -!- SleepyCoder is now known as TiredCoder 01:58 -!- TiredCoder is now known as Goldcoder 01:58 -!- Goldcoder is now known as LittleCoder 01:59 -!- LittleCoder is now known as TiredCoder 02:01 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 02:02 -!- TiredCoder is now known as BloodCoder 02:03 -!- BloodCoder is now known as YoungCoder 02:04 -!- YoungCoder is now known as Wanderer 02:05 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-152-150.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:06 -!- Wanderer is now known as OldCoder 02:33 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 03:16 < kingjacob> I just want to talk about printing medical devices, not what qualifies as diybio !! 03:32 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-152-150.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:38 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:52 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95-161-252-108.broadband.spb.TiERA.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:53 < kirka> I find this interesting http://www.zyvex.com/Research/ 03:53 < kirka> http://www.zyvex.com/Research/DiamondCAD.html 03:55 < kirka> http://www.zyvex.com/Research/exponential.html 03:56 < kirka> http://www.zyvex.com/Research/DCAD/assemblerSection.html 03:57 < kirka> http://www.zyvex.com/Research/DCAD/images/bearing.htm 04:24 -!- kingjacob [~kingjacob@c-76-31-79-117.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:41 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:41 <@kanzure> uv resistance protein http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/406780405 04:44 < kirka> Looks like it's simple enough to be coded inside a plasmid 04:51 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 04:59 <@kanzure> oh hm it was already proposed for being split http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Biopunk#Split 04:59 <@kanzure> win 6 04:59 <@kanzure> dkflasdjfla 05:21 <@kanzure> can someone get me the flv for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA1cpMBU8GQ ? the hd version was taken down and i forgot to grab it :( 05:22 <@kanzure> and none of my tools are working on this one 05:23 < kirka> Retro~ 05:24 < archels> not working here either 06:54 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95-161-252-108.broadband.spb.TiERA.org] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 07:09 < Mariu> kanzure, did you get it ? 07:09 < Mariu> did you get the flv for that video ? 07:12 < Mariu> I can only get the 240p version 07:12 < Mariu> flv 07:30 -!- chris_99b [~chris_99@host86-177-213-213.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:11 <@kanzure> 240p is ok 08:11 < Mariu> okay 08:22 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:22 -!- chris_99b [~chris_99@host86-177-213-213.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35 < Mariu> ftp://89.41.57.33/ 08:35 < Mariu> the file is noy playing with my players though 08:35 < Mariu> the user is Marius 08:35 < Mariu> password is: JCD 08:38 <@kanzure> is it larger than 2 MB? 08:38 < Mariu> yes 08:38 < Mariu> 1*not 08:38 < Mariu> the file is *not playing with my players though 08:39 < Mariu> let me know if you can run it 08:43 < chris_99> try vlc Mariu i think that can play it 08:44 < Mariu> got it 08:44 < Mariu> does the video play ? 08:46 <@kanzure> yes. 08:46 < Mariu> neat 08:46 < Mariu> I was worried that the download was not valid 08:46 < Mariu> and that's why I took so much 08:50 < Mariu> Chris, it works with VLC but I can't run it now 08:57 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:08 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:11 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:11 -!- audy [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:11 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:28 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:33 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:39 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:42 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:44 <@kanzure> beep boop 09:44 <@kanzure> sivoais: hi 09:45 < sivoais> kanzure: hello! 09:49 < chris_99> woooot, finally got USB working on the PIC :) 09:51 < sivoais> I was pointed here from #swhack . This sounds like a good channel for me since I did my degree in biomedical engineering. 09:55 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 <@kanzure> sivoais: ah i'm so sorry. hopefully you're on your way to recovery? 10:01 < sivoais> kanzure: haha, not quite, but I have realised that the computational aspects of imaging are the field I enjoy the most. 10:04 -!- F7_ [62c65b1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.198.91.31] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:05 <@kanzure> F7_: hi 10:05 < F7_> hello 10:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- F7_ [62c65b1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.198.91.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:21 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: downtime] 10:26 <@kanzure> 21:58 so my friend has a patent with the U of illinois for a nano drug delivery system and is looking for investors 10:26 <@kanzure> 21:58 do you have any ideas on who they may contact? 10:28 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:13 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Challenges%20for%20Brain%20Emulation%20-%20why%20is%20it%20so%20difficult%20-%20review%20-%202012.pdf 11:15 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@130.191.204.170] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:18 <@kanzure> Intellex: hello. 11:19 <@kanzure> open hardware summit 2012 videos: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ohs2012 11:31 < archels> kanzure: Right now I'm simulating my neurons at about 2E6 slowdown with respect to real time. :( 11:31 < Mariu> all of them ?\ 11:32 < Mariu> nevermind =p 11:32 < Mariu> bad question 11:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:08 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-152-150.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@130.191.204.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:28 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:30 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:40 < delinquentme> Only 35 of Stanford's patents make more than $100K - are we open yet? #ohs2012 12:40 < delinquentme> ???? 12:41 < AdrienG> wut 12:41 < AdrienG> wats ohs2012 12:42 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01 < Juul> curiously, stanford allows employees to put their stuff in the public domain if they want 13:02 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:02 < Juul> whereas University of California doesn't 13:08 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 13:16 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-152-150.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:25 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 <@kanzure> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/09/27/watch-the-open-hardware-summit-live/ 13:31 <@kanzure> nmz787: ^ 13:33 < nmz787> ahh cool 13:33 < nmz787> i may get a friend to record in HD the skirball symposium tomorrow 13:34 < nmz787> is it makerbot now? 13:34 <@kanzure> dunno. i'm not watching it ;) 13:36 < chris_99> does anyone else just get a black box 13:36 -!- roksprok [~Zac@12.46.132.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:37 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37 <@kanzure> i get ads, so i turned it off. 13:38 < chris_99> ah i think my DNS is screwed 13:48 <@kanzure> 13:32 <@yosafbridge> can I pay kickstarter to not fund something? 13:50 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:52 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:58 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:14 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@82.158.224.153.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < nmz787> jmil is talking 14:42 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@82.158.224.153.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:54 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:02 <@kanzure> http://blogs.adobe.com/asset/2012/09/inappropriate-use-of-adobe-code-signing-certificate.html 15:02 <@kanzure> "We have identified a compromised build server with access to the Adobe code signing infrastructure." 15:05 <@kanzure> "We have reviewed every commit made to the source repository the machine did have access to and confirmed that no source code changes or code insertions were made by the build server account." 15:05 <@kanzure> yeah.. uh. commit rewriting. 15:20 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:55 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:13 <@kanzure> "Kids stay optimistic by imagining that the adults around them messed up for unrepresentative avoidable reasons." 16:17 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 <@kanzure> SpiderFab: Process for On-Orbit Construction of Kilometer-Scale Apertures 16:33 <@kanzure> http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/early_stage_innovation/niac/2012_phase_I_fellows_hoyt_spiderfab.html 16:34 <@kanzure> "I argue here http://jetpress.org/v20/phoeni... that Precambrian animals are essentially made entirely of stem cells. The cells are specialized in their behavior, but not committed/somatic. They can reverse their roles at any time, and are only held in their roles by continuous chemical signaling. Post-Cambrian animals seem to commit their cellular changes via epigenetics-on-command during embryogenesis." 16:34 <@kanzure> Cellular differentiation as a candidate “new technology” for the Cambrian Explosion 16:34 <@kanzure> http://jetpress.org/v20/phoenix.htm (chris phoenix) 16:34 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@130.191.204.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 < roksprok> is there a good group like diybio for neuroscience or regenerative medicine? or just life extension/transhumanism in general? 16:35 < AdrienG> kanzure: interesting theory 16:35 <@kanzure> most of the good transhumanists are on diybio 16:35 <@kanzure> for life extension i suggest the gerontology research group 16:35 <@kanzure> for neuroscience i suggest comp-neuro 16:36 <@kanzure> http://www.neuroinf.org/mailman/listinfo/comp-neuro 16:36 <@kanzure> http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grg 16:36 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio 16:37 < roksprok> perfect thanks 16:55 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:35 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:37 < skorket> evening all 17:52 -!- tashou [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:55 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:06 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- SDragon [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22 <@kanzure> open hardware summit photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabella/sets/72157631639681476/ 19:26 <@kanzure> http://oslathe.com/ 19:26 <@kanzure> http://makeprojects.com/Project/The-Multimachine-150-12-Inch-Swing-Metal-Lathe-Mill-Drill/1751/1#.UCbQfqOJIkU 19:26 <@kanzure> oh it's the multimachine project? i see. 19:27 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:29 <@kanzure> har har "he organizers of space advocacy groups also share much the same demographic as their rank-and-file audience--the poorer lower skill/talent end of the white-collar/service industry middle-class spectrum." 19:29 <@kanzure> *The 19:34 <@kanzure> "Strange, we have more active astronauts than ever in history, yet few can name any of them." 19:34 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:39 -!- roksprok [~Zac@12.46.132.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:41 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:41 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:45 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:54 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:04 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:07 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 20:13 <@kanzure> hotmail for android :P https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hotmail.Z7 20:23 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@130.191.204.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:25 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:26 -!- roksprok_ [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:30 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30 -!- roksprok_ is now known as roksprok 20:30 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.117] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:35 <@kanzure> "I call it the Cousteau Paradigm because the example was most definitively set by the famous marine explorer Jacque Cousteau and his Cousteau Society" 20:35 <@kanzure> "At a time, post Apollo, when space started declining in public interest, this non-profit organization was accomplishing many of the things space advocacy groups aspire to do today, all supported by individual donations, corporate sponsorship, and cooperative effort from many institutions." 20:35 <@kanzure> "They acquired and re-purposesd a host of ships and vehicles, built cutting-edge equipment, experimental ships including wingsail and turbosail ships, custom-designed submersibles and marine robots, underwater habitats, and elaborate research facilities and maintained a sophisticated lifestyle for Cousteau, his family, and his 'team' of science, engineering, and media pros." 20:35 <@kanzure> "Cousteau even had plans for a floating eco-city. When Cousteau started his career the undersea environment was as challenging and unknown an environment as outer space and what he created was akin to a government-independent space program--basically on about the same scale as the Mercury program." 20:35 <@kanzure> "He recognized this analog and even called his diving team 'aquanauts'. How was all this possible, especially when none of it produced straightforward products, an economic ROI, or had any government backing driven by Cold War gamesmanship?" 20:36 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:36 <@kanzure> "and he pioneered a new venue for that through the invention of the Aqua-Lung--what we more commonly call scuba systems today--and a host of new color underwater photography and film hardware that really opened up the sea to this medium." 20:37 <@kanzure> "But Cousteau did more than just revolutionize underwater photography. He cultivated for himself a totally new cultural model of the adventurer. He was not the gung-ho he-man of the past. Rather he portrayed himself as a soft-spoken, reflective scientist-explorer." 20:37 <@kanzure> "Even equipment and vessels, like the Calypso, the nostalgic and romantic converted Catalina PBY (which sadly crashed, taking his son Phllippe's life. Note how, later on, Greenpeace felt compelled to get one of these iconic planes for themselves…), the Secoup, became recognizable re-ocurring 'characters' in his films, just like iconic spaceships in SciFi media." 20:38 < Urchin> I grew up watching his documentaries 20:38 <@kanzure> calypso sounds like a tragically hilarious name for a ship 20:39 < Urchin> to me it was simply associated with his ship and nothing else 20:39 < Urchin> there are a bunch of ships called Calypso around where I live 20:40 < nmz787> kanzure: you really got that michael guy riled up about wiki editig 20:40 < nmz787> editing 20:40 <@kanzure> haha he's just a typical wikipedia editor 20:40 <@kanzure> most of them are 100x worse 20:41 < Urchin> what was that about? 20:41 <@kanzure> the really great ones will cite you every policy in response to anything you say 20:42 <@kanzure> Urchin: what? 20:43 < Urchin> the editing war, or whatever you're involved in 20:44 < Urchin> and where is this text from? 20:46 < brownies> kanzure: source on that Costeau bit? 20:48 -!- foucist_ is now known as foucist 20:48 <@kanzure> brownies: eric hunting 20:48 <@kanzure> brownies: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/diybio/qphP1qhn_c0 20:49 <@kanzure> Urchin: it's from that thread. 20:49 <@kanzure> Urchin: the editing war thing isn't a war. nmz787 is just unaccustomed of talking to a wikipedia editor. 20:50 -!- Intellex [Intellex@cpe-75-80-110-69.socal.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:53 < jrayhawk> all is full of luf 20:54 <@kanzure> the stuff of luf 20:58 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59 < jrayhawk> my god! it's full of luf! 20:59 <@kanzure> someone should build a floorplan-to-3d extrapolator for the real estate industry 20:59 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- strages_1ome [~strages@adsl-98-81-14-211.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:00 < nmz787> jrayhawk: do you own rainproof pants? 21:01 < jrayhawk> no 21:02 < foucist> do you own ejaculation-proof pants? 21:02 < jrayhawk> nmz787: that is easily the oddest question i have been asked in the past month 21:02 < jrayhawk> good work, i guess 21:07 < nmz787> ppl told me we need rainproof everything to live in portland 21:11 < jrayhawk> real portlanders have webbed feet 21:13 < nmz787> H_ 21:13 < nmz787> that's me 21:13 < nmz787> i need to H+ 21:13 < jrayhawk> also you can tell cardinal directions based upon which side of the portlander the mold grows on 21:14 < nmz787> lol 21:15 < nmz787> we're trying to find a house, but there are a lot less of them than apartments 21:19 < foucist> nmz787: you don't need rainproof clothing though 21:20 < foucist> an umbrella is good enough 21:20 < foucist> and a good rain coat for the occasional whatever 21:20 < jrayhawk> umbrellas are how you spot tourists 21:22 < foucist> actually my neo-hometown is Campbell River, gets twice the amount of rain than portland.. 21:22 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:22 < foucist> 57" vs 36" 21:22 < foucist> well, only 60% more 21:22 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:22 < jrayhawk> yeah, portlanders are notorious exaggerators 21:23 < foucist> tbh i don't recall any umbrellas in campbell river 21:27 < nmz787> hmm 21:27 < nmz787> ok 21:27 < nmz787> well we have rain coats 21:27 < nmz787> i have rain pants but she doesnt 21:27 < foucist> that's what skirts are for 21:27 < foucist> :P 21:28 < nmz787> we like hiking though, so i'll probably find some for her too 21:28 < nmz787> hah 21:28 < foucist> for hiking, just use gators 21:28 < nmz787> unless the rain is horizontal 21:28 < nmz787> sitting down too 21:28 < foucist> or galoshes i guess 21:29 < nmz787> our boots are waterproof up to like 6 inches or so 21:29 < nmz787> (hiking boots) 21:29 < foucist> nmz787: these are even better http://www.invisibleshoe.com for hiking! 21:32 <@kanzure> http://www.spacetelescope.org/static/archives/images/large/heic1214a.jpg 21:33 < nmz787> foucist: it just looks like a flip flop 21:35 < nmz787> i hike/walk barefoot once in a while, but I can't backpack without a decent sole 21:35 < foucist> nmz787: basically, but without the flopping.. close to barefoot as you can get with protection, good for running etc 21:36 < foucist> nmz787: yeah i mean, i've done a lot of backcountry hiking with serious leather boots for ankle support etc 21:36 < foucist> but i realized i can get rid of all that and just go barefoot or close to 21:36 < foucist> screw ankle support 21:36 < foucist> don't need it 21:37 < foucist> since barefoot is very stable on it's own.. and feet get tougher anyways 21:37 < foucist> its* 21:37 < nmz787> nah i dont wear boots for ankle support 21:38 < nmz787> i wear boots that have a metal bar running through so I can get high-pressure on roch edges and such 21:38 < nmz787> with a 40 or 50 lb backpack on I couldn't backpack as fast without a rugged sole 21:39 < nmz787> at least i would have to go prob half the speed without a rugged sole 21:40 < nmz787> how is there wet performance? 21:40 < nmz787> compared to like a vibram sole? 21:41 < nmz787> there was one time i was drunk and trying to take a shortcut through the woods, I lost my shoe when i tried jumping a creek and ended up one knee deep in the water 21:41 < nmz787> after like 25-30 mins of clamoring through the snow covered woods, my pant leg was frozen but my thin-socked foot was warmer than the shoed foor 21:42 < nmz787> I was scared branches woulda cut and scratched the bottom of my foot but it was perfectly fine, nothing wrong next day 21:42 < ParahSailin_> 5 fingers are hplus shoes 21:42 < nmz787> 5fingers dont fit me 21:42 < ParahSailin_> lame 21:43 < jrayhawk> men's vibrams are too big for me and women's vibrams are too narrow 21:43 < jrayhawk> i guess this is an indication that i should do my barefoot running barefoot 21:45 < ParahSailin_> i'd like to use a laser cutter to cut broken car tires into soles for toe shoes 21:47 < nmz787> lol 21:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p54BAE601.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p54BAE601.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:58 <@kanzure> "bowhead whales [live] up to 210 years 21:58 <@kanzure> " 21:58 <@kanzure> http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/09/george-church-will-look-to-human.html 21:58 <@kanzure> "those with the LRP5 gene have extra strong bones" 21:58 <@kanzure> "Those with the PCSK5 gene have 88 percent lower coronary disease" 21:59 <@kanzure> "Those with double FUT2 are resistant to stomach flu" 21:59 <@kanzure> (and CCR5 was already listed on diyhpluswiki) 22:01 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 366d418 LRP5, PCSK5, CCR5, and FUT2 genes 22:02 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReGenesis 22:03 < nmz787> "ReGenesis is a Canadian television program ... The series, which ran for four seasons, revolves around the scientists of NorBAC ("North American Biotechnology Advisory Commission"), a fictional organization with a lab based in Toronto. The organization investigates problems of a scientific nature, such as bio-terrorism, mysterious diseases or radical changes in environment throughout Canada, the United States, and 22:03 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: what's wrong with my markdown on http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications ? it replaced with which is completely different. >:( 22:03 <@kanzure> and as a result it renders the other half of the article as a giant link 22:04 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 42681af trying to fix markdown problems :( 22:05 <@kanzure> i guess that does it :| 22:14 < jrayhawk> that's perturbing 22:16 < jrayhawk> http://piny.be/jrayhawk/ hmm, can't reproduce on piny.be 22:17 -!- PETERSON [~peterson@pw126210008030.5.kyb.panda-world.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:18 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c91dcb8 dos2unix the genetic-modifications.mdwn file, add lactase persistence 22:18 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0efccbc some more snps 22:22 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: eb83326 Revert "trying to fix markdown problems :(" 22:23 <@kanzure> dyoo 22:23 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:23 < jrayhawk> Yeah, not seeing the issue. The fact that it puts those in their own paragraph elements is kinda dumb, though 22:23 <@kanzure> your revert has a "Conflict" 22:24 < jrayhawk> Yeah, I didn't look at it very hard. 22:24 <@kanzure> yashgaroth had given me a dos file 22:24 <@kanzure> so i dos2unix'd it 22:24 < jrayhawk> Well, that'd explain the conflict, at least 22:24 <@kanzure> the html output seems to match the original borkedness i experienced 22:25 < yashgaroth> I was gonna say, it looks a lot nicer than my txt 22:25 < jrayhawk> It's a static HTML file and I am seeing very clearly

22:26 < jrayhawk> markdown is supposed to be line-ending agnostic, too, so if that's causing it, that's probably a bug 22:28 <@kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2012-09-28-0025-markdown-ikiwiki-wtf.png 22:28 <@kanzure> chrome's version of what it thinks the html is supposed to look like is pretty crazy 22:35 -!- PETERSON [~peterson@pw126210008030.5.kyb.panda-world.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 22:35 < jrayhawk> i am not real clear on what the issue you're complaining about is anymore; i would suggest that, if you have a complaint, you use something like curl http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications/ | grep -C1 'name=' to describe it 22:35 <@kanzure> no, i was just amused by that 22:36 <@kanzure> "Those with double FUT2 are resistant to stomach flu." is highlighted like a link 22:36 <@kanzure> that's not supposed to be a link. nowhere in the markdown does it indicate it is a link. it's bleedover because of 22:36 <@kanzure> maybe this is a problem with the stylesheet. 22:40 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:41 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:42 <@kanzure> jmil: good talk 22:43 < foucist> i almost decided to make a new version of markdown that would be easier to type and display nicer in vim (with syntax highlighting) 22:44 <@kanzure> i hate vim's markdown syntax highlighting. it doesn't understand quote highlighting. 22:44 < jmil> thx kanzure wanted to represent 22:44 < jmil> would love your most constructive criticism 22:44 < jmil> kanzure: ^^ 22:44 <@kanzure> aren't vim's syntax highlighters based on regular expressions? this is probably why things are awful. 22:44 < jmil> *your most candid constructive criticism 22:46 <@kanzure> actually i'm more interested in hearing about the other things i missed, i just tuned into your talk 22:46 <@kanzure> what else was going on there? 22:47 < jmil> everyone is talking about the death of makerbot 22:47 < brownies> makerbot is dead? 22:48 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:48 < jmil> brownies: today was their official FU to the open source community 22:49 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:49 < brownies> ah 22:49 <@kanzure> jmil: so i still don't understand.. i thought all of their designs were based on reprap 22:50 <@kanzure> and reprap is still open source. did they buy all the rights to reprap? or what? 22:50 < brownies> this? http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/09/24/lets-try-that-again/ 22:51 <@kanzure> that was their second attempt 22:52 < Intellex> Have acetylcholinesterase inhibitors been tested as nootropic agents? 22:52 < Intellex> Can't find literature on that 22:53 < jmil> brownies kanzure we told them it's not like we want or need their designs at all. it's just the principle of the thing 22:53 < jmil> kanzure: they are derivative of reprap but not in any interesting way. so they haven't informed the community. ALL makerbot's intersting contributions were from Zach Hoeken who was forced to leave from the company. those were stellar at the time 22:53 < brownies> reuptake inhibitors? 22:53 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53 < brownies> interesting. 22:54 < brownies> kanzure: where's the first attempt? 22:54 <@kanzure> there was a previous blog post 22:54 <@kanzure> i don't really care enough to find it for you 22:58 < brownies> you're an inspiration to us all 22:58 < nmz787> well there 22:58 < brownies> ah, this must be it. http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/09/19/a-whole-new-makerbot-introducing-replicator-2-desktop-3d-printer/ 22:58 < nmz787> fuck wikipedia 22:58 <@kanzure> nmz787: ? 22:59 < nmz787> he deleted my examples so i just mailed them to gg 22:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59 <@kanzure> gg? 23:00 < nmz787> google groups 23:00 < nmz787> the diybio list 23:00 <@kanzure> good game? 23:00 <@kanzure> ok 23:00 < nmz787> so what's this about FU to opensource? 23:01 < nmz787> jmil: ^ 23:01 <@kanzure> makerbot has gone closed source 23:01 <@kanzure> and spoke at open hardware summit for some reason. 23:02 < nmz787> am reading now 23:02 < nmz787> i thought i heard that earlier 23:02 < nmz787> the commercials sucked 23:02 < nmz787> i fell asleep during them 23:02 < nmz787> eh 23:02 < nmz787> hrh 23:04 < brownies> tbh i just think that a 3D printer that can't print a copy of itself is fundamentally silly and trivial 23:04 <@kanzure> none of them can print themselves 23:04 < brownies> yes i'm aware 23:05 <@kanzure> just checkin'. 23:05 < brownies> kanzure: but the special thing about this new one appears to be that they've abandoned that as a possibility/goal entirely 23:05 <@kanzure> haha 23:05 < brownies> whereas, with the previous ones, it seemed like that was on the table. 23:05 < jmil> brownies: i don't understand the self-replication dogma. you're NEVER going to print a motor. that's a crazy waste of time trying 23:05 <@kanzure> and now it's just a regular piece of junk? 23:05 <@kanzure> instead of special junk 23:05 -!- SDragon is now known as SDr 23:06 -!- SDr [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:06 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:06 < jmil> the benefit of the dogma is that it made hackers into designers so now we have a plentiful thingiverse. two negatives make a positive!!! 23:08 < brownies> maybe YOU'RE never going to print a motor! 23:08 <@kanzure> jmil: so the consensus is that makerbot was not based on reprap, after all? 23:08 < brownies> why is printing a motor somehow totally impossible forever for all time for everyone ever ? 23:08 < jmil> kanzure: whut? 23:09 <@kanzure> brownies: plastic extrusion isn't enough to make a motor 23:09 <@kanzure> jmil: how can they take an open source, gpl'd project and turn it closed source? 23:09 < brownies> i do not think 3d printing is still going to be spraying corn juice at bricks in 1000 years. -_- 23:10 <@kanzure> brownies: is it 3d printing when i assemble a motor IN 3D? 23:10 < jmil> no i'm saying at this point and for the last 2 years the biggest contribution they've made to reprap is exactly jack shit. people just lament that they have gone closed source out of philosophical pain. Not because anyone actually wants the designs for anything 23:10 < jmil> brownies: we will be doing 7D printing in 1000 yrs 23:10 < brownies> kanzure: eh? 23:11 <@kanzure> jmil: i'm not saying they are making contributions 23:11 <@kanzure> open source licenses explicitly prevent this scenario 23:11 < jmil> kanzure: not everything is under GPL. not their latest stuff anyway. only gen3 electronics were official reprap electronics. then makerbot made shitty electronics and the community went with RAMPS 23:11 <@kanzure> oh i see. 23:11 < ParahSailin_> take maketbot apart; see design; done 23:11 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: that's not how licensing works 23:12 < ParahSailin_> id like to see them try to enforce IP rent on decentralized production 23:13 <@kanzure> that should be more explicit, jmil 23:13 <@kanzure> i think they should have just said "shut up bitches, we're not using reprap shit anymore anyway, we have our own brand of puke" 23:13 <@kanzure> then the "but it's open source" argument would have no water 23:14 < jmil> staying open source was the last string holding the community as their support network. now EVERYONE hates them. destroyed their brand. 23:15 <@kanzure> was bre booed? 23:15 < jmil> but they will move to ONLY non-technical new crowd. good for them. 23:15 < brownies> they have 150 employees? holy hell. 23:16 < ParahSailin_> bezos put money in 23:16 < brownies> what were the other reasons people hated them, while they were still open-source? 23:16 < ParahSailin_> high on the hog 23:16 < brownies> ParahSailin_: smart man. 23:16 < jmil> no, but close a couple times 23:16 < jmil> he was just so damn cagey 23:16 < jmil> i REEEEALLLY wish they had made times for questions. that was the only problem with the conf. 23:16 < jmil> i had a good one 23:17 < ParahSailin_> so makerbot is going patent? 23:19 < jmil> brownies: their designs sucked and on top of that they always claim credit for stuff they stole from reprap 23:21 < brownies> jmil: i see 23:21 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21 <@kanzure> jmil: what other things went down at ohs? anything worth knowing about? 23:23 < jmil> kanzure: lots of good stuff, mostly victory lap stuff you prolly heard about before. what i learned most was new business models and how many people are rocking open source in practice not just theory 23:26 <@kanzure> brownies: btw look up makerbot on glassdoor. the employees' reviews are hilarious. 23:26 <@kanzure> basically bre is a mega idiot and they can't get out of the job fast enough 23:27 < jmil> it's shocking to me these things took so long to shake out 23:28 < jmil> everyone saw it coming for years 23:28 < jmil> how bad they were and how badly run 23:28 < jmil> but now the whole internet KNOWS 23:28 <@kanzure> so what.. bre was just abusing zach? 23:28 < jmil> Zach is steve Wozniak. Bre is Jobs. 23:28 <@kanzure> bre is not steve jobs 23:28 <@kanzure> bre is a moron compared to steve 23:28 < jmil> Zach is a kid in a candy store. "Hey Bre, my awesome friend, look what i made today!" 23:29 < jmil> kanzure: bre is steve jobs in his head. i didn't say in reality 23:29 <@kanzure> ah :) 23:29 < jmil> kanzure: look at the sanguino video bre did of zach. if that doesn't capture the relationship, nothing will 23:29 < jmil> the launch video 23:29 <@kanzure> link? 23:30 < brownies> jmil: what new business models did you learn about? 23:31 < jmil> kanzure: can't find the link 23:31 < brownies> i tried watching the MakerBot2 launch video on that blog post, but i couldn't tolerate that weird-looking dude for more than 10 seconds 23:31 < jmil> don't be racist 23:31 < brownies> i'm not racist. it was his strange, strange body language 23:31 < jmil> oh 23:32 < jmil> he's in waaaaay over his head 23:32 < brownies> apparently they raised $10M ... which explains the 150 employees 23:32 < ParahSailin_> sens just lost their senior scientist 23:32 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: who? 23:32 < ParahSailin_> gouri 23:32 < brownies> he called that a "small amount of money" in the fucking blog post -_- 23:32 <@kanzure> was gouri fired? 23:33 < ParahSailin_> no, i think she got poached 23:34 <@kanzure> so what is sens going to do? 23:34 <@kanzure> i think they have more management than scientists 23:37 -!- wizzorb [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: [04:22] I have a feeling that the average person doesn't care about ai, agi or even statistics. They mostly care about sex and reality tv. If any progress is to be made, it's kind of up to us] 23:38 < ParahSailin_> i dont really have intel on them anymore, just saw gouri's linkedin changed 23:39 < ParahSailin_> yeah, sens is fucked-er than i could have imagined 23:40 < ParahSailin_> time to give up and find honest living 23:40 < ParahSailin_> jacques must be the senior scientist at this point 23:41 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:43 <@kanzure> hahah 23:43 <@kanzure> so while trying to find the video that jmil is talking about 23:43 <@kanzure> i ended up here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zirHL_rRBu0 23:43 <@kanzure> and the top comments are all responses to "trent waddington" who's comment "has received too many negative votes" 23:44 <@kanzure> he shows up in these parts as QuantumG 23:44 <@kanzure> also he's the one that hosts http://www.quantumg.net/carmack_takes_bishop.php :\ 23:44 -!- tashou [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [] 23:50 <@kanzure> jmil: i don't think it was a sanguino video. bre didn't seem to be involved in that one. 23:53 <@kanzure> nmz787: wow that michael guy is getting really mean. 23:53 < jmil> kanzure: it was 2 am and zach called bre to come to nyc resistor with a video camera and he did and zach showed off the sanguino he just invented that night 23:53 <@kanzure> what was wrong with the vid? 23:54 < brownies> this video sounds delightful. i must see it. 23:54 < jmil> i just meant it showed the relationship very clearly. zach does all the dev work on his own. bre builds a company around it 23:57 < archels> kanzure: Our of curiosity, what software did you use for Navier-Stokes simulations? 23:59 <@kanzure> archels: probably openfoam --- Log closed Fri Sep 28 00:00:29 2012