--- Log opened Fri Sep 28 00:00:29 2012 --- Day changed Fri Sep 28 2012 00:00 <@kanzure> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:53 AM, Lisa Thalheim wrote: 00:00 <@kanzure> > example. Some of the mails sent to this list by someone named 00:00 <@kanzure> > "Reason", promoting a clearly transhumanist agenda, may serve as 00:00 <@kanzure> man i get no love 00:00 <@kanzure> > references. 00:01 < archels> roger 00:03 -!- wizzorb [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:06 < brownies> your name is "Reason" 00:06 < brownies> ? 00:06 < brownies> i thought it was "Bryan" 00:06 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-14-211.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:06 <@kanzure> brownies: my name is not "Reason" 00:06 <@kanzure> "Reason" is just the fightaging.org guy 00:06 <@kanzure> but for some reason lisa associates that guy with transhumanism more than me 00:06 <@kanzure> i'm more active in the biohacking community than he is 00:06 <@kanzure> so why would she associate him with transhumanism more than me? :p 00:07 < strangewarp> Because, from a narrative-building perspective, a person who calls himself "Reason" seems more apt to be a representative of transhumanists, as it fits all the cliches 00:08 <@kanzure> well obviously i should change my name to SuperBatman 00:09 < strangewarp> Wrong. If you want to wield the narrative cliches, change your name to NanoGenetix and wear a pair of Google Glasses everywhere. 00:09 <@kanzure> ok wait, i mean ssj4superbatman 00:09 <@kanzure> darkssj4superbatman 00:10 < brownies> you have to one-up reason 00:10 < brownies> call yourself "Faith" 00:10 < strangewarp> ha! 00:11 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:33 < nmz787> yeah whatever 00:34 < nmz787> kanzure: you stirred him up 00:35 < nmz787> ok so he's been on the list for 7 days 00:35 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:45 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:48 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:56 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- Intellex [Intellex@cpe-75-80-110-69.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 01:20 -!- bjonnh [~Bjonnh@unaffiliated/bjonnh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:20 < bjonnh> Hi 01:52 < archels> oh, kanzure 01:53 < archels> you get -1 karma for linking to adafruit 02:43 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 03:12 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:27 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:01 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 04:39 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:19 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:02 <@kanzure> archels: okay 07:02 <@kanzure> i accept this shame 08:08 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:09 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11 <@kanzure> http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/ 08:17 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:35 < brownies> what's wrong with adafruit? 08:36 < brownies> maybe the most hilarious use of this image ever http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/32260009264/when-you-find-too-much-data-on-the-client-side-during-a 08:52 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:45 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: so why not just have gut bacteria that eat up wheats? 10:33 < jrayhawk> Prolamines take a while to digest even if you have the right enzymes; they'd still be wreaking havoc on the enterocytes. 10:34 < jrayhawk> It's possible we can remove or turn off the gene for expressing CXCR3, but that's probably going to have a lot of unpleasant consequences. 10:34 < jrayhawk> and there may be other receptors involved 10:36 < jrayhawk> There's also the question why bother eating grains in the first place. Even leaving aside the autoimmune/sepsis/opiod activity, they're incredibly nutrient deficient, ecologically harmful, and expensive. 10:37 < jrayhawk> Fermentation (i.e. pre-digestion) and sprouting have been used in a few ancestral communities to at least reduce the level of harm grains do, but not compellingly so. 10:38 < jrayhawk> For more information on bad mitigation ideas, visit the Weston A. Price Foundation. 10:38 < brownies> ...was that an infomercial? 10:39 < jrayhawk> no, WAPF actually endorses sprouting and fermentation 10:39 < brownies> heh 10:40 < brownies> wasn't the original value of grains to provide a consistent stationary food source? 10:40 < brownies> grains don't wander around the country, like, say, buffalo 10:40 < jrayhawk> The original value of grains is that they're so poisonous that nothing else will eat them. 10:40 < jrayhawk> Thus they can be stored all year long in graneries 10:43 < brownies> what about rats 'n' stuff? 10:44 < jrayhawk> Rats'll eat it. They seem to be evolved to live short, garbage-eating lives. 10:45 < jrayhawk> Actually I guess I don't know if they do eat modern whole grains. That's an interesting question. 10:46 < jrayhawk> Typically when we cultivate for yield, we're increasing the harmful protein constituent. 10:47 < jrayhawk> To the point that even birds don't much care for our modern wheat 10:49 < jrayhawk> yeah, looks like rodents still do 10:51 < jrayhawk> kanzure: oh yeah, and gut flora aren't really supposed to have much presence in the small intestine anyway 10:51 < brownies> that's a depressing thought 10:51 <@kanzure> yeah i think my "use gut flora" go-to answer might have to be updated a bit. 10:52 < jrayhawk> brownies: you can read stuff by joel salatin to feel better about agriculture 10:53 < brownies> what i really need to solve is the cooking problem 10:53 < jrayhawk> kanzure: it's probably pretty easy to improve fermentive efficiency 10:53 < brownies> specifically, the problem that i am too lazy to cook, but most prepared food is carb-heavy 10:53 < brownies> after that, i'll have time to assuage my feelings about agriculture 10:53 < jrayhawk> my solution is to buy a three gallon pot and throw most of my grocery list into it and simmer it for 24 hours 10:54 < jrayhawk> boom, food for a week that I can pad out with greens and coconut oil 11:05 <@kanzure> brownies: perhaps you should ascribe to the "giant blender" theory of cooking. 11:08 < jrayhawk> generally you want digestion to be a slow process 11:08 < jrayhawk> having all your food enter your bloodstream at once has some unfortunate consequences 11:09 < brownies> giant blender + tiny sppon, then. 11:10 < brownies> *spoon. dammit. 11:11 < jrayhawk> Gastric timing won't be amenable to that. 11:11 < brownies> heh. i'm just joking. i actually did buy a slow cooker. 11:11 < brownies> now i just need things to put in it, and then a place to put the resulting soup 11:12 < jrayhawk> your mouth. ALL OF IT IN YOUR MOUTH. 11:12 < jrayhawk> aum nyaum nyaum 11:15 < brownies> hah 11:45 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:21 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:33 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 <@kanzure> https://github.com/CubeSpawn/3-Axis-CubeMill 13:07 < chris_99> is anyone into model rocketry per chance? 13:08 <@kanzure> i prefer the real ones. sorry. 13:08 <@kanzure> (kidding) 13:09 < chris_99> heh, well i was just looking at this https://www.eclipserocketry.com/catalog/index.php and it uses those little nitrous oxide capsules 13:09 < chris_99> but i can't work out how you'd crack that and then simulataneously ignite it 13:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:55 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:01 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:19 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 14:57 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22 -!- roksprok [~Zac@12.46.132.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 <@kanzure> huh, that's amusing. biobrick foundation's conference is just a giant whiteboard that they gather around. 15:44 -!- Mokbortolan_ is now known as Mokstar 15:46 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:03 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jhpgnyqltjtpszng] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rktgiuscuxrijgwg] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@68.166.128.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-odwhxdhpriafowad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-odwhxdhpriafowad] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bcebbfxqzwptcxnl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- roksprok [~Zac@12.46.132.146] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 16:22 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bcebbfxqzwptcxnl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34 -!- roksprok [~Zac@ip-64-134-228-11.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:36 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hbvpvhcvdymvoqlh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@68.166.128.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:01 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:03 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: hi 17:03 < yashgaroth> yo 17:06 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvzuvddpjepfvzng] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@ip-64-134-237-67.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 <@kanzure> doh https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer#readme 17:35 <@kanzure> the images are getting lost because github cdn didn't catch them all 17:35 <@kanzure> and nanoengineer-1.net has gone offline 17:38 -!- wizzorb [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:46 < Urchin> wow, this server I'm using to run irc actually has git 17:46 < Urchin> *irc client 17:47 < Urchin> I think one of the admins required it a long time ago 17:52 <@kanzure> i've posted a temporary fix that i will get around to committing: 17:52 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/issues/4 18:30 < gnusha> nanoengineer.git: 4fe8e04 update comments to point to ne1_startup/ instead of startup/ 18:33 -!- Intellex [~lolzilla@ip-64-134-237-67.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:49 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:18 -!- roksprok [~Zac@ip-64-134-228-11.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 19:21 <@kanzure> tim schmidt is trying to convince me that thingdoc is a working version of skdb (or something) 19:21 <@kanzure> but i don't see the resemblance. it seems to render TeX documentation. 19:31 <@kanzure> For the love of god, don't pull this. 19:32 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/tree/mocking 19:32 <@kanzure> main.py runs in python2.6 without trouble and without the gui 19:35 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:36 < sseehh_> hi kanzure noticed the a few emails about skdb 19:36 <@kanzure> okay. 19:36 < sseehh_> anything new with skdb? 19:36 <@kanzure> i don't remember you or what you would consider new. 19:37 < sseehh_> thats ok im seeing if theres any new developments since i last looked at it over 1yr ago 19:37 <@kanzure> nope, people continue to ignore the call for comments on the packaging spec. 19:38 < sseehh_> kanzure: well i still consider it an important project and would like to see it or something like it developed 19:38 < sseehh_> so at the least, thanks for conceptualizing 19:39 <@kanzure> can you clarify? you came in here to thank me, but not actually do anything? 19:41 < sseehh_> kanzure: i came to thank you and prepare for doing something 19:41 < sseehh_> but not make any promises 19:43 <@kanzure> ok. 20:05 -!- Mokstar [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:06 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:06 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:07 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:10 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: you're missing out on naming the sydney biohacking group, i know you have something good in you somewhere :p 20:10 <@kanzure> brownies: .. or you. 20:10 < yashgaroth> oh uh 20:11 < yashgaroth> bondi beachbio 20:12 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12 <@kanzure> oh damn they want to use "Sydney BioHack. Making the world glow one organism at a time" 20:12 <@kanzure> god damn glowers 20:12 < yashgaroth> sydney biohack: we're totally not making venomous kangaroos 20:13 <@kanzure> not british enough 20:13 <@kanzure> should be certainly instead of totally 20:13 < yashgaroth> jolly well 20:13 <@kanzure> we're certainly not poshing venomous kangaroos 20:13 <@kanzure> or whatever they say 20:13 < yashgaroth> ...in a lorry 20:13 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 <@kanzure> i am bad at multiculturalism 20:14 < yashgaroth> they try to differentiate themselves from britain 20:14 < yashgaroth> unsuccessfully, but they try 20:16 <@kanzure> biohacking ecoli and eukaryotes restlessly (BEER) 20:17 < Mariu> "god damn glowers" LOL 20:17 < Mariu> =] 20:17 <@kanzure> i hope some day people get tired of ultraviolet fluorescent proteins 20:17 <@kanzure> or maybe there will be a terrible accident, and gfp will be banned by the UN 20:19 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20 < brownies> eh? 20:20 < brownies> hmm. 20:21 < brownies> australian biology puns... hmm... 20:21 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 < brownies> Sydney Biohacking: The one-stop shop for synthesized marsupialanine! 20:21 < brownies> hm, that's especially bad. 20:21 < brownies> what else we got... kangaroos... pandas... wallabies... hmm... 20:22 < yashgaroth> I want to incorporate all their poisonous animals but I don't know how 20:22 <@kanzure> it was originally a giant penal colony, there's no way you can go wrong here 20:22 <@kanzure> penal biohacking colony 20:23 < yashgaroth> ah shit now I gotta go watch alien 3 again 20:23 <@kanzure> why does google return "trinidad and tobago" when i type "penal country"? 20:24 < Mariu> lol 20:24 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25 <@kanzure> oh i see. "austin country" => "United States of America" 20:25 < Mariu> good idea, yashgaroth. Alien movies FTW 20:25 <@kanzure> it must be their question answering thing. 20:26 < brownies> Sydney Biohacking: After you visit us, everyone else's biohacking is guana-sine boring! 20:26 * brownies groans 20:26 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:26 < yashgaroth> the kangaroo boxing and biohacking club 20:26 <@kanzure> one of them suggested "SydneyBioHack" but i don't get it 20:27 < brownies> easily the worst one. 20:27 <@kanzure> kickboxbio mightwork 20:29 < brownies> Kangaroo Breeders' Association 20:29 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30 <@kanzure> i wonder if there are novelty accounts on stackoverflow.com 20:31 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:33 -!- Intellex [Intellex@cpe-75-80-110-69.socal.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:43 <@kanzure> rar file magic http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XgcMl7OcpNc/UGYhJPPC7NI/AAAAAAAAA0A/lA2eSP7xLpk/s1600/Windows+7+x64+@+2012-09-29+00:12:24.png 20:43 <@kanzure> that was from http://blog.cmpxchg8b.com/2012/09/fun-with-constrained-programming.html 20:44 -!- wizzbrah [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:51 -!- tav [~tav`@host86-145-157-241.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: tav] 21:09 -!- roksprok [~Zac@ip-64-134-233-79.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:15 -!- Lemminkainen_ is now known as redherrring 21:15 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 -!- redherrring is now known as Lemminkainensbut 21:17 -!- Lemminkainensbut is now known as Lemminkainen_ 22:17 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-200-58.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:23 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-158-78.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:23 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Sat Sep 29 00:00:40 2012