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02:13 < kanzure> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/us/worries-over-defense-dept-money-for-hackerspaces.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
02:18 < kanzure> "The founders of Open Biotech will be speaking at the Open Science Summit coming up in a couple weeks.  They are a biotech startup here in the Bay Area and actually have some close ties to the origins of Biocurious from back in the garage days."
02:18 < kanzure> god damn it people, stop giving your companies names like that
02:18 < kanzure> in this case i suspect he's referring to http://www.openbiotech.com/
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05:09 < Lucas__> Good morning
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05:25 < JayDugger> Good morning, Lucas__.
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06:34 < skorket> morning
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09:53 < kanzure> beep
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09:58 < Mokstar> boop
09:59 < Mokstar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRCemf2JHc
10:00 < Mokstar> Gershon Kingsley, "Popcorn"
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10:43 < jrayhawk> ybit: just out of curiousity, why are you running five irssis
10:43 < jrayhawk> it seems like an odd thing to do
10:43 < kanzure> nmz787: yashgaroth: hi
10:43 < yashgaroth> yo
10:45 < nmz787> hi homies
10:45 < nmz787> so that video of my talk has 21 views
10:46 < nmz787> pretty cool :D, there were about 20 real people in attendance
10:47 < archels> nmz787: What's the URL?
10:48 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6zpEyDvdRA
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10:58 < archels> a DNA typewriter. thanks
11:10 < kanzure> jrayhawk: "Yeah I saw, on the road, don't have a recent irc client o respond. His answer: It's because I don't  want the separate networks within irssi since I can switch more quickly in screen"
11:10 < kanzure> that's amusing
11:12 < kanzure> oh hm 4.1 GB of irc logs for him.
11:13 < jrayhawk> huh; seems like there should be a plugin for nested service and chatroom navigation
11:31 < nmz787> kanzure: you should add a link in that video's description to the ntm787 youtube user page
11:31 < nmz787> Check out Nathan's other videos here:
11:31 < nmz787> www.youtube.com/user/ntm787
11:33 < kanzure> what's with the t
11:33 < kanzure> done
11:35 < nmz787> thomas
11:35 < nmz787> so i've been getting UPMC biosecurity news emailings
11:35 < nmz787> I signed up for them
11:35 < nmz787> but I think they track which articles you read
11:36 < nmz787> for instance this White House Hack Attack (The Washington Free Beacon) Hackers linked to China's government broke into one of the US government's most sensitive computer networks, breaching a system used by the White House Military Office for nuclear commands, according to defense and intelligence officials familiar with the incident.
11:36 < nmz787> links to this http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001hSvkvcbkOcSzQoX9erN34zAvOAcjOtqs8-EwSQfgh_30TpnMuZebduhv3mCBIh8jvsg0O4LqRn5RRzjbCjxFNUzi2169Dd3gt6x6ItpPGdS-M7D9I1XJ-hJnuVOKkzcgEIFmr8nuha32eUkWggHDJGlRZ-H6m4_fwZdwV6tuVF4UU063PZ-un_bFwU9J7MfYZ2N8AAhCWxS9LPkHNmQivVeTRhDuUccF_OSRmO_vlJ24WPkNkLET9vAyJd3N1WvOcPj6lcwCSw-Ht2bP0A0UVw==
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11:36 < kanzure> nmz787: yep, that's a common way of tracking whether people are clicking on things in emails
11:36 < nmz787> which then shows this in my url bar http://freebeacon.com/white-house-hack-attack/?utm_source=BNT%2C+October+5%2C+2012&utm_campaign=BNT100512&utm_medium=email
11:37 < kanzure> another way is by detecting whether or not users load images in html emails. naturally, i disable images in my emails.
11:37 < nmz787> but googling the first line provides the same page http://freebeacon.com/white-house-hack-attack/
11:37 < kanzure> utm_ tracking is google analytics or urchin
11:37 < nmz787> hmm
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14:42 < nmz787> kanzure: you could also add http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/ to that video summary
14:42 < nmz787> i couldn't remember the link and told the folks to search site:diypl.us laser_etcher
14:43 < kanzure> ok done
14:52 < nmz787> kanzure: who is Aaron lewis dinkin?
14:53 < kanzure> dunno, i have nothing on him
14:56 < nmz787> i think he's from diybio
14:57 < nmz787> cyan.fox@gmail.com
14:57 < kanzure> first interaction 2009-04-24
15:03 < kanzure> win 4
15:03 < kanzure> idfdjaiod
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16:27 < skorket> nmz787, hows the laser cutter going?
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17:21 < curt1s> 0
17:21 < yashgaroth> 1
17:22 < curt1s> hi
17:22 < yashgaroth> hello
17:22 < curt1s> how's it going
17:22 < yashgaroth> pretty good, how about yourself
17:22 < curt1s> going well thanks
17:23 < curt1s> really enjoyed nathans talk at genspace the other day
17:23 < yashgaroth> yeah I should probably watch that
17:23 < curt1s> oh, was it recorded
17:24 < curt1s> if theres a video somewhere id love to share with a few friends
17:24 < yashgaroth> let me see if I can find it
17:24 < yashgaroth> ah right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6zpEyDvdRA
17:27 < curt1s> ah nice thanks
17:28 < yashgaroth> he's usually here at like 12-2am EST
17:28 < yashgaroth> and occasionally other, more normal times
17:29 < curt1s> cool
17:29 < curt1s> i didnt actually talk with him but people seemed to be giving him lots of suggestions
17:30 < curt1s> variety of engineers and teachery types
17:31 < yashgaroth> I always expect genspace to be mostly 'bioartists', with very few biologists, due to new york
17:31 < curt1s> yeah i dont have a very good sense of what goes on there
17:31 < curt1s> one of the cofounders (oliver) seemed very welcoming at least
17:31 < curt1s> mentioned he has stockpiled a good collection of equipment from ebay
17:32 < curt1s> but said the hardest part for them has been finding qualified people to do stuff there
17:32 < yashgaroth> I guess there's a little biotech in jersey, and of course people from the universities, but it's not exactly a biotech hub
17:32 < kanzure> yashgaroth: genspace has ellen who is arguably not an artist at all
17:33 < kanzure> ellen outclasses most of the biocurious folks
17:33 < yashgaroth> well that's why she gets to talk at ted I guess
17:33 < curt1s> i think ellen was there the other day too
17:33 < curt1s> she had a lot of awards/certificates on the wall
17:33 < curt1s> i dont know much background
17:33 < kanzure> curt1s: you might also enjoy this series of videos on biohacking
17:34 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgO7JBj821uEOMG1gytmF8VIu1Prp20zY
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17:34 < curt1s> oh nice, thanks :)
17:34 < curt1s> i am pretty new to all this
17:34 < yashgaroth> did they ever upload her ted talk? I kind of zoned out when she did the rehearsal
17:34 < kanzure> and please edit http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq
17:34 < kanzure> yashgaroth: ted holds off on posting videos to give some "lead time" or w/e
17:34 < yashgaroth> pfft
17:35 < kanzure> http://blog.ted.com/2012/06/26/do-it-yourself-biotech-ellen-jorgensen-at-tedglobal-2012/
17:35 < kanzure> "People don't know I'm good at: Building log cabins in Alaska, martial arts, oil painting"
17:36 < kanzure> ellen does martial arts? heh
17:37 < kanzure> there was a hilariously long line of nerds filtering through the isle at target because pokemon black/white 2 got released early
17:38 < kanzure> yashgaroth: so what was your opinion on the http://openbiotech.com/ store thing?
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17:42 < yashgaroth> pretty nice, needs more stuff
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17:43 < yashgaroth> also I don't understand why they only sell hela and 3t3, in fact the whole site is a mish-mosh of somewhat random products...though I guess it's probably limited to patent-free stuff
17:43 < kanzure> their rhetoric is a little lousy
17:43 < kanzure> almost wrong, really
17:44 < yashgaroth> man I don't care about rhetoric as long as I get dem plasmidz
17:44 < kanzure> sure sure
17:44 < kanzure> i'm just curious who's running it
17:45 < kanzure> hahah "Isn't open source unprofitable?" on this page: http://www.openbiotech.com/category_s/1821.htm
17:45 < kanzure> that entire explanation is completely wrong about open source
17:47 < kanzure> and i'm struggling to think of someone who works in regenerative medicine who is also pro-using-ASP.. that's a very short list of people..
17:48 < yashgaroth> asp being?
17:49 < curt1s> kanzure: that definition of open source is pretty cringe worthy
17:49 < curt1s> Open source principles did indeed build a reputation of being unprofitable, largely due to the experience in software development.
17:49 < curt1s> ^ugh
17:49 < curt1s> what
17:49 < yashgaroth> "we anticipate no less than an industry-wide collapse of biological reagent pricing as a direct result of our open source policies" well at least they're full of themselves
17:50 < curt1s> what "experience in software development," i wonder
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17:51 < kanzure> curt1s: yeah. open source is the money-making arm of free software.
17:52 < kanzure> yashgaroth: i don't see their reasoning. they think that providing sequences in a text file will collapse their competitors, and give themselves more money?
17:53 < yashgaroth> if they're under CC I imagine they only provide out-of-patent cell lines/reagents/assays/sequences
17:53 < yashgaroth> so...I guess it's kind of annoying sometimes to find a sequence, sort of
17:53 < kanzure> but what's the reasoning here? why will they be immune to the "collapse"?
17:53 < yashgaroth> ah, well you see
17:53 < kanzure> i think they're full of shit. i'd like to see whether the tubes they ship end up having the right dna, though.
17:55 < streety> has anyone compared their prices with the 'closed-source' companies?
17:55 < kanzure> they should send some free samples out to bloggers, and have the bloggers sequence the samples, to prove their credibility.
17:56 < yashgaroth> I tried to compare their BCA kit but they don't even say what the volume is
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17:57 < streety> and why is it under standards and ladders?
17:57 < yashgaroth> I guess you use standards in the assay
18:00 < streety> still kind of weird
18:00 < streety> I've had no better luck finding the volume
18:00 < yashgaroth> the whole site's a bit weird, not to mention vague
18:02 < streety> I'm not a fan of their pre-diluted protein standard, you have to reconstitute each vial so you can mess up the volume
18:02 < streety> you might as well just do it yourself
18:04 < yashgaroth> assuming their standard kit is 500mL of reagent A, I guess it's about half the price of thermo's?
18:05 < yashgaroth> who is the person behind it, anyway? shouldn't they be the ones posting it to diybio
18:05 < kanzure> hrm who posted it
18:05 < yashgaroth> oh apparently they'll be attending jojack's thing
18:05 < kanzure> Sebastian S. Cocioba <scocioba@gmail.com>
18:06 < streety> the standards are also about half the price of thermo's - but for thermo they are already reconstituted
18:07 < streety> just getting a 2 mg/ml standard and doing it yourself costs about 8 times less though
18:07 < kanzure> oh oops
18:07 < kanzure> yashgaroth: it's just john schloendorn
18:07 < streety> actually about 4 times less, but thats in comparison to the openbiotech prices
18:07 < kanzure> i am very disappointed in him. i thought he understood open source better.
18:09 < kanzure> and why is john using asp?
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18:22 < streety> to spark debate?
18:25 < kanzure> well. other than that i suppose i support him in this :p
18:27 < streety> it definitely has promise
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19:38 < delinquentme> Glucocorticoids
19:38 < delinquentme> anyone? LEGAL ones? or OTC ones?
19:39 < delinquentme> Glucocorticoids >> gluconeogenesis >> more focus without cookies
19:47 < brownies> mmmm... cookies
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20:33 < kanzure> neat: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Move_to_next/previous_line_with_same_indentation
20:47 < kanzure> haha the user interface for this machine is recorded in ascii text:
20:47 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
20:48 < kanzure> "AECL had never tested the Therac-25 with the combination of software and hardware until it was assembled at the hospital."
20:49 < kanzure> hah what
20:50 < kanzure> "The machine also used its own operating system." so they wrote a custom operating system for a machine and never tested it until it was assembled at the customer's site?
20:51 < curt1s> haha
20:52 < curt1s> i mean...not so funny about the radiation overdoses
20:53 < curt1s> but wtf
20:53 < kanzure> well, i'm more curious about the procurement process
20:54 < kanzure> so AECL said they had some equipment and a hospital was like "YEP, that one" and suddenly the product was created?
20:54 < curt1s> The system noticed that something was wrong and halted the X-ray beam, but merely displayed the word "MALFUNCTION" followed by a number from 1 to 64. The user manual did not explain or even address the error codes, so the operator pressed the P key to override the warning and proceed anyway.
20:54 < brownies> wow.
20:54 < kanzure> perfect
21:26 < joshcryer> The real issue is that the plate was hardware limited, but they removed it and made it software limited. Hardware (physics) > software any day.
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21:28 < joshcryer> Even if your software is 100% formally proven it can still fail in unexpected ways due to hardware failure.
21:29 < kanzure> it sounds like they forgot about some interrupts or something
21:37 < joshcryer> Is there a good place that can test the composition of something I have for a fee?
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21:38 < kanzure> joshcryer: for free? probably not, unless it was some unusual piece.
21:38 < joshcryer> kanzure, reading, you're doing it wrong. :P
21:39 < kanzure> oh i see. uh, scienceexchange is probably your quickest bet.
21:39 < joshcryer> Funnily, Google made the same autocorrect on a search I did...
21:39 < kanzure> google's autocorrect sucks. and so does their search ever since + and "" don't mean anything.
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22:21 < JayDugger> joshcryer, yes, if you need a metallurgical failure analysis. I can ask my cousin.
22:21 < JayDugger> It can cost a great deal of money, though.
22:25 < joshcryer> What kind of tech would be used to test it?
22:26 < kanzure> two kids jumping up and down on it for hours
22:26 < ParahSailin_> you want to know what exactly?
22:34 < joshcryer> If I told you I'd have to...
22:44 < ParahSailin_> elemental analysis?
22:45 < JayDugger> I don't know enough about the lab where he works to list their equipment. They work only with metal samples. Generally they do failure analysis for insurance claims and the like.
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23:22 < kanzure> http://biohackingsydney.org/
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23:22 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9ffc1ea sydney link
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