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07:49 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 <@kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12887700/can-code-that-is-valid-in-both-c-and-c-produce-different-behavior-when-compile 08:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-30-45.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:28 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Mariu 08:28 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: phryk 08:39 -!- Netsplit over, joins: phryk 08:42 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:44 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:45 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28 -!- wizzbreh [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:30 -!- wizzbreh 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[Quit: Page closed] 11:20 < jrayhawk> yeah, there are theories running around that many cancers cause random retrotransposon activity and contribute to human adaptation during times of widespread environmental stress 11:23 < jrayhawk> with tens of thousands of "'hail mary' passes", surely one of them must land somewhere useful! 11:46 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 12:01 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:18 < Mokstar> jrayhawk: it's all fun and games until people start spraying red beams of pure kinetic force from their eyes. 12:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-69-17.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 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http://hackteria.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NZZ_diybio_and_interview_april2012.pdf 16:10 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@wrls-249-194-100.wrls-client.fas.harvard.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:11 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@wrls-249-194-100.wrls-client.fas.harvard.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:16 -!- jk4930 [~jk@p57B735BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- elixirvitae_ [~Shehrazad@95.5.95.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- elixirvitae_ [~Shehrazad@95.5.95.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Client Quit] 16:27 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 < Burninate> http://www.nature.com/news/stem-cell-transplant-claims-debunked-1.11584 16:49 < Burninate> http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20121015a1.html 16:55 < Mokstar> jeez 16:55 < Mokstar> I've been reading about all kinds of fraudulent research coming out of Asia lately 16:55 < Mokstar> we need some good ol' fashioned American fraudulent research to balance things out 17:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:08 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:20 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 < streety> that looks like a fairly half-hearted attempted fraud 18:05 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-18-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13 -!- cpopell [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:14 -!- roksprok [~zaccucino@12.46.132.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 < roksprok> Mokstar: you will not have to look very hard. http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/10/research-fraud-exploded-over-the-last-decade/ 18:19 < skorket> evening 18:31 < roksprok> hi skorket 18:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54 -!- roksprok [~zaccucino@12.46.132.146] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 18:59 < skorket> hey roksprok 19:04 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:17 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- jk4930 [~jk@p57B735BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Konversation terminated!"] 19:25 -!- roksprok [~zaccucino@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 <@kanzure> kosha: hi 19:27 < kosha> what's up kanzure! 19:27 < kosha> how's your night? 19:27 <@kanzure> do you have a brother named james who sells shoes? 19:28 < kosha> no, i wish tho. a shoe hookup would be awesome 19:28 <@kanzure> ah okay. you sounded related to this guy who was doing this shoe selling api.. thing. 19:29 -!- klafka_ [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:50 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- galambo_ [~sossos@adsl-074-246-221-201.sip.cha.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:01 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-183-18.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:19 < skorket> kanzure, do you have an actual roadmap for the DIY BIO stuff? Like a technology tree of what's needed, what depends on what and how to kind of advance the field? 20:19 < skorket> is that too vague? 20:20 < nmz787> i dont think so 20:21 <@kanzure> skorket: yeah i have something.. it's not quite a tree 20:21 < skorket> oh, hey nmz787, didn't see you there 20:21 < skorket> a DAG then 20:21 < skorket> you're in rochester, nmz787? 20:21 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/diybio-equipment.yaml 20:21 <@kanzure> most of the equipment doesn't require each other really 20:21 -!- klafka_ [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:22 < galambo_> what do you guys think of bitcoins 20:22 <@kanzure> most of it is like one or two actuators, some tubes for liquids, some measurement sensors, a chip to coordinate shit 20:22 <@kanzure> and lots of plastic 20:22 <@kanzure> sometimes laser beams 20:23 < nmz787> yes 20:23 < nmz787> skorket: ^ 20:23 < skorket> job or school? 20:24 < nmz787> just packing for portland 20:24 < skorket> ah 20:25 < skorket> hmm, any DIY dna sequencers? 20:25 < nmz787> not yet 20:25 <@kanzure> skorket: http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ 20:25 <@kanzure> oh sorry wait, that was a synth 20:25 <@kanzure> what am i thinking 20:25 < nmz787> need to basically a spectrometer with UV 20:25 < skorket> still good to know 20:25 < galambo_> that text file you posted listed gel electrophoresis equipment 20:26 <@kanzure> galambo_: yes, sorry 20:26 <@kanzure> not impressive 20:28 < skorket> wasn't IBM developing some type of sequencer chip that fed dna through a sensing channel to read the whole strand of DNA at one go? Whatever happened to that? 20:28 <@kanzure> there are many nanopore-based dna sequencing startups 20:28 <@kanzure> like 40 of them 20:33 < galambo_> what is not impressive 20:34 <@kanzure> gel boxes 20:34 <@kanzure> they are just boxes with tabs cut into them 20:34 <@kanzure> they are not a shinning example of technological excellence 20:34 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 < galambo_> i thought dna sequencing is done by pcr amplification and electrophoresis 20:35 <@kanzure> there are many methods of dna sequencing 20:35 < galambo_> a television is just a vacuum tube with two bits of metal on either end 20:35 <@kanzure> the modern methods in dna sequencing involve running nucleotides through a nanopore and checking a current through it 20:35 <@kanzure> or bouncing photons off of photogroups and shit 20:35 <@kanzure> or cleaving off photostuff 20:35 < galambo_> yes but he asked for diy methods 20:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:35 < skorket> kanzure, links on photon methods? 20:35 <@kanzure> he also mentioned the IBM thing, which i assume was a nanopore 20:36 <@kanzure> skorket: oh i don't know. all of the pacbio stuff. 20:36 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Real-time%20DNA%20sequencing%20from%20single%20polymerase%20molecules.pdf 20:39 < skorket> right, modifying the polymerase to give off a photon when it munches a base pair. 20:41 < galambo_> do you guys only talk about chemistry stuff here 20:51 < galambo_> has anyone tried to go transhuman in here? like for real? 20:52 < jrayhawk> you'll have to be a bit more specific 20:52 < galambo_> like has anyone injected themselves with this diy gene stuff? 20:56 < galambo_> oh cool there are kits on the website http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/kits/ 20:56 < galambo_> which one will turn me into the 6 million dollar man 21:01 < Mokstar> hahaha 21:01 < Mokstar> "go transhuman" 21:02 -!- klafka [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:07 < galambo_> where im from trying to do something like that would be proceeded by yelling "hey guys check this out" 21:12 < cpopell> kanz, know if there's any new people local to me? 21:17 < nmz787> cpopell: where are u?> 21:24 <@kanzure> galambo_: "diy gene stuff". i think you might be an idiot. 21:24 < cpopell> Northern virginia 21:27 <@kanzure> galambo_: i think there's definitely things you can do. but randomly injecting yourself with "stuff" wont be useful. 21:46 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 < strangewarp> galambo_: Right now, the only things you can do to your body are put magnets in your fingers or give yourself supercancer. 21:50 < strangewarp> That will probably improve in the future, but right now, nope. 21:50 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 21:50 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: kosha] 22:08 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:22 <@kanzure> strangewarp: that's not entirely true. you can install terrible cochlear implants, prosthetic limbs, digital vision stuff, stem cells, pacemakers, even some weird gene therapies seem to work sometimes 22:26 < strangewarp> Oh right, those things.. 22:38 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 -!- klafka [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:43 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:43 < AlonzoTG> =\ 23:06 < nmz787> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10021074/array-of-10000-having-16bit-elements-find-bits-set-unlimited-ram-google-int 23:06 < nmz787> :P 23:15 -!- cpopell [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-183-18.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29 -!- kosha [~kosha@c-24-16-134-94.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: kosha] 23:31 -!- WeThePeople [~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Tue Oct 16 00:00:57 2012