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00:12 < nmz787> why isn't this in the olympics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_competition
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03:05 < Mokstar> http://www.google.com/patents/US7105935?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
03:05 < Mokstar> ferrofluid electrical generator
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07:57 < Lemminkainen_> Mokstar: your design?
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10:06 < jrayhawk> nmz787: http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/story/_/id/8133052/athletes-spill-details-dirty-secrets-olympic-village-espn-magazine
10:06 < jrayhawk> it's just not televised
10:24 <@kanzure> openbiotech.com conference talk (probably open science summit 2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCQmDUURe3I
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12:21 < curt1s> hi
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12:27 <@kanzure> Maluseth: hi
12:27 < Maluseth> hi
12:27 < Maluseth> i checked out your website, heybryan.org
12:27 < Maluseth> what is gnusha?
12:27 < Maluseth> im just curious
12:27 <@kanzure> you know, i don't know any more
12:27 <@kanzure> it's a server.
12:28 < Maluseth> oh
12:28 < Maluseth> ok
12:28 < Maluseth> do you guys do CAD work here?
12:28 < Maluseth> CAM CIM?
12:28 <@kanzure> yes
12:28 < Maluseth> cool, i'm trying to learn these things building a fab lab-
12:28 < Maluseth> can i hang around?
12:28 <@kanzure> sure
12:29 < Maluseth> cool thanks :)
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12:44 < Mokstar> Lemminkainen_: nooo, looks to be a taiwanese fellow
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13:04 < nmz787> Mokstar: are you in portland?
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13:28 < Mokstar> nmz7871: yep
13:29 < nmz7871> cool, I'm now in hillsboro!
13:29 < Mokstar> ooooh
13:29 < Mokstar> working at intel?
13:29 < Mokstar> hillsboro's nice, if a little boring for me
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13:29 < Mokstar> strip malls vs grotty old brick stores
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13:30 < Mokstar> nmz787wb
13:30 < Mokstar> nmz787: wb
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14:34 <@kanzure> http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/news/a-roundup-of-3d-printers/
14:34 <@kanzure> http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/11/hacking-the-presidents-dna/309147/?single_page=true
14:34 <@kanzure> oh it's andrew hessel. that's amusing.
14:35 <@kanzure> why is hessel writing for theatlantic.com?
14:35 < nmz7871> i love how homer simpson called 'wired' 'weird', and was upset when Lisa corrected him
14:41 < AdrianG> http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/10/ideas-bank/so-long-information-age-hello-hybrid-age
14:43 < Adifex> ^^ like that
15:01 < nmz7871> jrayhawk: you still home?
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15:07 < AdrianG> jus liek dat
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15:38 < jrayhawk> nmz7871: Nope.
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16:04 < Maluseth> if i learn solidcam software, does this include CAD as well or are these two seperate things
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16:07 < Maluseth> oh i got it nvm
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17:12 < Maluseth> I am trying to learn a programming language for following purposes. Please tell me if "Python" is sufficient for these tasks:
17:12 <@kanzure> "following"?
17:12 < Maluseth> 1. Control system for mechanical engineering-
17:13 < Maluseth> like, say- i'm controlling a robotic arm-
17:13 <@kanzure> you shoudl look into linuxcnc
17:13 <@kanzure> *should
17:13 < Maluseth> oh
17:13 < Maluseth> thank you i will keep that in mind
17:13 <@kanzure> python is fine for these tasks
17:13 < Maluseth> how far has python gone to?
17:13 <@kanzure> but if you need real-time control in under 1 ms then python is not your best option
17:13 < Maluseth> can i build sophisticated websites with it too?
17:13 <@kanzure> youtube is built on python
17:14 <@kanzure> and yes you can
17:14 < Maluseth> wuw didn't know that
17:14 < Maluseth> i see
17:14 < Maluseth> thank you for the information
17:14 < Maluseth> i saw this things called the piCloud
17:14 < Maluseth> *thing
17:14 <@kanzure> picloud's okay. you should also learn about heroku and aws.
17:15 <@kanzure> or dotcloud
17:15 < Maluseth> wow you already used it?
17:15 <@kanzure> sort of.
17:15 < Maluseth> could i somehow use cloud computing for rendering objects?
17:15 < Maluseth> through these services?
17:16 < Maluseth> where can i use them for exactly?
17:16 < Maluseth> im very curious about everything
17:16 <@kanzure> yes you can use "cloud computing" for anything you can use regular computing for.
17:16 <@kanzure> "cloud computing" just refers to the idea of not having an exact box that your software is running on
17:16 <@kanzure> thingiverse was using stl2web for the longest time on aws i think
17:17 < Maluseth> so then it is compatible with *any softwares. wow
17:17 <@kanzure> but they switched to rendering with a python/blender combination recently
17:17 <@kanzure> picloud isn't exactly compatible with "anything" mind you. aws is more general purpose in comparison.
17:17 < Maluseth> omg you know everything wow
17:17 <@kanzure> um.
17:17 < brownies> rofl
17:17 < Maluseth> im just trying to learn here
17:18 < Maluseth> my edge is that i know absolutely nothing.
17:18 < Maluseth> lol
17:18 < Maluseth> ok im writing down the stuff you told me
17:18 < Maluseth> and research
17:19 <@kanzure> Maluseth: read everything here http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book and follow the experiments
17:19 <@kanzure> and this http://www.rubyinside.com/media/poignant-guide.pdf
17:20 <@kanzure> it's not python but it's thorough and will get you using heroku
17:20 < Maluseth> how about linuxcnc? which one should i engage into?
17:20 <@kanzure> i don't know of an equivalent book for python/django/heroku. i don't know, just read up on boto or something.
17:20 <@kanzure> well you would install linuxcnc on a computer hooked up to your arm.
17:20 < Maluseth> my interests are in: mech eng | web programming and biochemistry.
17:21 <@kanzure> well then you should read the biochemistry books listed here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/books
17:21 < brownies> eh? what's a boto?
17:21 < Maluseth> it's not for an robotic arm specifically- i was thinking general mechanical engineering, control systems for say construction tools
17:22 < brownies> you can read that one book. Think Like a Computer Scientist
17:22 < brownies> also learn math, calculus, geometry, algebra, stochastics, data modelling, and linear algebra
17:22 < Maluseth> ok.
17:22 <@kanzure> brownies: boto is how you do aws things from python
17:22 < brownies> then you'll be all set to build control systems.
17:22 < Maluseth> i dont know if i can learn all that
17:23 < Maluseth> but i will try.
17:23 < Maluseth> in fact, from here and on, i'm going to keep a web log
17:23 < Maluseth> and put my progress, -
17:23 < Maluseth> of learning.
17:23 < Maluseth> thank you guys. i want to eventually create something interesting
17:24 < Maluseth> it'll take years but :)
17:24 < Maluseth> i'm 19 btw
17:24 < Maluseth> i quit school and
17:24 < Maluseth> well, i dont know nothing
17:24 < Maluseth> :P
17:25 <@kanzure> well at least you got that part right (quitting school)
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17:25 < Maluseth> what really? quitting school was good choice?
17:25 < Maluseth> everyone's telling me i'm an idiot
17:25 < Maluseth> for quitting
17:26 < Maluseth> but so much freedom now
17:26 <@kanzure> well, maybe you are an idiot
17:26 <@kanzure> but it's not because of school
17:26 < Maluseth> and it doesn't mean my aspirations in learning is gone
17:26 < Maluseth> oh thanks a lot lol
17:26 < Maluseth> yeah maybe i am. but i couldn't care less
17:26 < Maluseth> as long as i learn something
17:27 < Maluseth> so as a humble idiot in this channel allow me to learn.
17:27 < Maluseth> but with this equipment i have -
17:27 < Maluseth> i can't do shit
17:28 < Maluseth> i'm using a IBM t42 with radeon mobility 7500 (32mb ram)
17:28 < Maluseth> ROFL!!!
17:28 < Maluseth> can't even learn CAD.
17:28 < Maluseth> where can i start...
17:29 < Maluseth> i'm thinking of making websites for people at like 100 bucks. will people use my service you think?
17:29 < Maluseth> cheap?
17:29 < Maluseth> if i can just make about 1200. i can get a CAD capable laptop with some good GPU power.
17:29 <@kanzure> why are you pricing yourself so low?
17:29 < Maluseth> because quantity
17:30 < Maluseth> competition is everywhere
17:30 < Maluseth> and i'm just gonna make static websites - where the client writes the content,
17:30 < Maluseth> but i design the graphics
17:30 < Maluseth> this way, i can save time making it, and the client should be happy
17:31 < Maluseth> 'cause they usually don't know jack about hosting and domain
17:31 < Maluseth> local businesses i mean
17:31 < Maluseth> well, that's the theory anyway...
17:31 < Maluseth> but i don't know where to advertise
17:32 < Maluseth> if you guys can refer, let me know hahaha we'll price it 150 and split 50/50
17:32 < Maluseth> i'll do the work
17:32 < Maluseth> i just need enough to get some equipments
17:33 <@kanzure> so basically i charge $50,000 and you want only $100 of it
17:33 <@kanzure> got it.
17:33 <@kanzure> you should rethink your life
17:33 < Maluseth> ummm
17:33 < Maluseth> nobody would pay that haha
17:34 < Maluseth> way i think is that... as long as i get what i need,
17:34 < Maluseth> my sacrifice is only temporary
17:34 <@kanzure> how do you know what they pay? you have zero experience
17:34 < Maluseth> it seems most people pay about 500-2000 depending on the graphics and animation
17:34 < Maluseth> sophisticated websites with scripts seem to be much higher
17:35 < Maluseth> i dont have experience, but i read magazines
17:35 < Maluseth> i live in a filipino community and everyone here dont know anything about computers
17:35 < Maluseth> and the local businesses need some help maybe
17:36 < ParahSailin> filipinos are awesome
17:36 <@kanzure> maybe you should lower your price to $10/site
17:37 < Maluseth> AWS = general cloud computing solution. linuxcnc = programming CNC machinary. Heroku = sounds like the real deal
17:37 < Maluseth> kanzure = i can't. too time consuming.
17:37 < ParahSailin> heroku runs on aws
17:37 < Maluseth> i can't waste a year
17:37 < Maluseth> on a 1200 equipment. i was thinking more like 2 weeks.
17:37 < Maluseth> or a month :P
17:38 < Maluseth> can i use heroku to prgram web stuff?
17:38 < Maluseth> websites?
17:39 <@kanzure> honestly heroku is too expnesive for you
17:39 < Maluseth> yeah filipino people are very talented
17:39 < Maluseth> oh
17:39 < ParahSailin> heroku is a middleman reselling aws
17:39 < Maluseth> maybe i should just get a job but thats too time consuming too
17:39 <@kanzure> aws is too expensive for you too
17:40 <@kanzure> basically if you're selling $100/site then the hosting costs will eat up your margin within a few months
17:40 < Maluseth> well, at least i'd have some prospects to look forward to..
17:40 <@kanzure> i have changed my mind. you are definitely an idiot.
17:40 < Maluseth> ....harsh kanzure. harsh.
17:41 < Maluseth> i'm 19 man without any experience, don't jump to conclusions
17:41 < Maluseth> anyways
17:42 < Maluseth> wow kanzure i didn't expect that :{
17:42 <@kanzure> well, you can improve if you work hard at it. but you should do some basic math on the numbers you've been talking about.
17:43 <@kanzure> $100/site works out to like $1/hour for 2 weeks of work and you end up with $0 for hosting.
17:43 < Maluseth> not if i just duplicate the site with templates
17:43 < Maluseth> im gonna ask them to give me samples of what site they want
17:43 <@kanzure> clients aren't like that.
17:43 < Maluseth> and copy it
17:44 < Maluseth> i dont know if they have real standards, these filipino people are in their 40-50s
17:44 < Maluseth> hardly browse the web...
17:44 < Maluseth> it'll take me 1 hour to finish 1 website. hahaha
17:44 < Maluseth> but gathering the clients is the difficult part.
17:45 < Maluseth> but that's just one way making some cash.
17:45 < Maluseth> so this stuff costs money huh?
17:45 < ParahSailin> go ahead and charge $100 for the first one-- at that point youll have an idea of how much work it actually is and be able to revise your price appropriately
17:45 < Maluseth> been downloading CAD softwares cracked
17:45 < Maluseth> yeah prolly
17:45 < Maluseth> but i made a website before
17:46 < Maluseth> just basic layout takes only so long to make with dreamweaver
17:46 < Maluseth> they grab the domain name and give me access to hosting
17:46 < ParahSailin> whats dreamweaver
17:46 < Maluseth> and i can edit and upload easily
17:46 < Maluseth> visual html software
17:46 < Maluseth> no need for codes
17:46 <@kanzure> sigh don't use dreamweaver -_-
17:46 < ParahSailin> is that kinda like a text editor?
17:47 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: it's wysiwyg
17:47 < ParahSailin> kanzure, i know what dreamweaver is
17:47 < Maluseth> it's either that or frontpage hahaha
17:47 <@kanzure> get out. i don't want anyone in here who thinks frontpage is a good idea.
17:47 < Maluseth> dont worry i'll get some income rolling, even if i work nightshift at home depot
17:48 < Maluseth> dude man, chill. i only used those 2 softwares.
17:48 < ParahSailin> learn how to do it right, no fucking dreamweaver or frontpage
17:48 < Maluseth> i dont know any more to have an opinion.
17:49 < ParahSailin> all you need to use is a decent text editor-- sublime text 2 is a good newbie one for windows
17:49 < Maluseth> i'm just trying to learn guys, don't discourage me too much. i'll eventually get it right.
17:49 < nmz7871> lol
17:49 < Maluseth> ok ok
17:49 <@kanzure> no, you're not trying to learn. so far you've completely ignored everything we've told you.
17:49 < nmz7871> i havent used frontpage since i was a young teenager
17:50 < Maluseth> ok, so price it higher for my services, or get a job. once i have the money, experiment. until then, read.
17:50 < Maluseth> :P
17:50 <@kanzure> nmz7871: btw blackhatbio.com is ours, i'm soliciting ideas. yashgaroth wants pics of petri dishes with "NOT ANTHRAX" written on them.
17:50 <@kanzure> "NOT ANTHRAX, 2L, $578.00"
17:51 < nmz7871> lol
17:51 <@kanzure> 2L of a mystery fluid, aww yeah
17:51 < Maluseth> sounds cool blackhatbio.com
17:51 < nmz7871> NOT XARHTNA
17:51 < AdrianG> kanzure, i liak "not anthrax"
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17:52 < Maluseth> storm "sandy" coming to my town
17:52 < Maluseth> hope i'll survive this
17:52 <@kanzure> nmz787: i was also thinking of a bitcoin organ exchange
17:52 < Maluseth> i have so much to learn
17:53 <@kanzure> Maluseth: why are you in here?
17:53 < Maluseth> this channel is like the most amazing thing i came across
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17:53 < AdrianG> organ exchange isnt really bio
17:53 < Maluseth> you guys seem to be involved in so much different things
17:53 < AdrianG> its more liek hacking
17:53 <@kanzure> Maluseth: yes but i mean how did you find this channel?
17:53 <@kanzure> AdrianG: organ harvesting exchange, then.
17:54 < Maluseth> I was typing i think "hackerspaces" and i found your website
17:54 < Maluseth> heybryan.org
17:54 < Maluseth> Austin seems bit too far though
17:54 < Maluseth> i live in Ontario, Canada
17:55 <@kanzure> damn i must be great at seo
17:55 <@kanzure> brownies: check that shit out
17:55 < Maluseth> i searched for hours Kanzure don't give yourself too much credit :P
17:56 < Maluseth> now to organize, and memo. research.
17:56 < Maluseth> bbl
17:57 < Maluseth> hoping to get a 8900 firepro installed in a laptop
17:57 < Maluseth> with 4gb ram 2gb video memory
17:57 < Maluseth> hope that's sufficient. im sure it is
17:57 < Maluseth> for me anyway.
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17:59 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: i still need a reasonable list of 'federal laws' to post to the blackhatbio.com 'seized' landing page.
18:00 <@kanzure> "conspiracy to maybe think about committing copyright infringement" is insufficiently blackhat/bio.
18:00 <@kanzure> "kidnapping/imprisonment" and "distribution of bioweapons" would be more interesting
18:00 < yashgaroth> hmm are there like classified laws? "the following federal crimes: [REDACTED]"
18:01 <@kanzure> nah there has to be something in the US code book
18:01 < yashgaroth> that's a big book, I wonder if they've made it searchable
18:01 <@kanzure> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/175
18:01 < ParahSailin> there are numbers that are illegal to think about
18:01 <@kanzure> "for other than prophylactic, protective, bona fide research, or other peaceful purposes."
18:02 < yashgaroth> "imprisoned for life or any term of years" dang
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18:03 <@kanzure> none of these sound like the names of charges, though
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18:04 <@kanzure> so 1962(d) is "conspiracy to commit racketeering" and links to http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1962
18:04 <@kanzure> so i guess you can just make up fake charges based on line items from the us code
18:05 < yashgaroth> in breach of articles I-X of the biological weapons convention? or would that be some sort of UN takedown
18:05 <@kanzure> does the US give a fuck about the biological weapons convention? i'd have to check.
18:06 < yashgaroth> that smallpox reserve is for totally peaceful purposes, also russkies
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18:16 < brownies> kanzure: check what out?
18:17 <@kanzure> ;/kick ybit
18:17 <@kanzure> kdfja
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18:17 <@kanzure> brownies: nevermind. the guy basically spent 5min using dreamweaver and then searched around the web figuring he was a master hacker or something. i don't know.
18:21 < Jora> LOL!
18:21 < brownies> that is funny.
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18:38 < nano1> kanzure: hi again.  what does "sponsored by george church" mean in the description of this channel?
18:39 < nano1> that is, is George Church *actually* involved with this channel or is it ascribed to him by a third party?
18:39 < yashgaroth> george church is humorously known to be on the board of/an advisor to, dozens of biotech companies
18:39 <@kanzure> georgeinvolvd with everything
18:39 <@kanzure> *george church is involved with everything
18:39 < nano1> yes, but even this?
18:39 < yashgaroth> I'm surprised you didn't ask about the NRA
18:39 <@kanzure> in a way, he is inside all of us. even now. i.
18:40 < nano1> hehe
18:40 < nano1> okay
18:40 <@kanzure> *even now. inside all of us.
18:40 < nano1> i understand
18:40 < JayDugger> Sponsored by the NRA, too?
18:40 < yashgaroth> the second amendment guarantees gene guns for private citizens
18:41 < yashgaroth> they have perfectly legitimate uses for deer transfections
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18:51 < JayDugger> Good. Now pun about a well-regulated militia.
18:53 < yashgaroth> ummm...a well regulated academia?
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20:13 < JayDugger> kanzure, "does the US give a fuck about the biological weapons convention? i'd have to check." The short answer, yes. Nixon did two good things. He stopped US development of biological weapons and he went to China. A good source is Abliek's "Biohazard."
20:13 < JayDugger> Nixon was otherwise a worthless piece of shit.
20:14 < JayDugger> (From what I read in history books.)
20:18 < jrayhawk> he's also responsible for grain diplomacy and grain subsidies
20:18 < jrayhawk> which cost us a trillion dollars a year in medical costs
20:19 < jrayhawk> medical costs which are projected to exceed GDP by 2030
20:20 < Maluseth> what do you guys think of ruby language compared to python? can you use it to make control systems for electrical/mechanical devices?
20:21 < Maluseth> i'm just learning and i don't want to make a bad choice on my first language.
20:22 < jrayhawk> Depends on what you're controlling. Task switching on modern X86 systems can be done something like 100khz, which may be a limiting factor depending on what kind of hardware interaction you're doing.
20:23 < Maluseth> but it is possible then. what do you think is more easier to learn? ruby or python?
20:23 < jrayhawk> Python's slightly faster, Ruby has a better object model, neither really have good realtime guarantees because they're GC languages
20:24 < Maluseth> you can filter it through heroku ?
20:24 < Maluseth> i mean if heroku is something that can speed things up?
20:24 < jrayhawk> why... would... you control hardware through heroku
20:24 < Maluseth> oh nvm i got it wrong
20:25 < Maluseth> it's a language for connecting to cloud computing
20:25 < Maluseth> sorry im learning
20:25 <@kanzure> um.
20:25 < Maluseth> which do you think is easier to learn? ruby or python?
20:25 < Maluseth> python seems to be much more widely accepted in the academia?
20:25 <@kanzure> you should learn both.
20:25 < Maluseth> eventually, but to start off, what would be easier?
20:26 < Maluseth> ruby seems very straight-forward?
20:26 < Maluseth> i do need references though
20:26 < jrayhawk> Ruby is more pleasant on account of syntax and object model, python is more practical on account of enormous collection of well-written libraries.
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20:26 < jrayhawk> Neither is really appropriate for anything other than extremely primitive hardware work.
20:26 <@kanzure> if you are making web applications, then ruby is a better choice because the rails community is huge. python's web development community is large but not nearly.
20:26 < jrayhawk> anything more than, rather
20:27 < Maluseth> i'd be happy to pull off that extremely "primitive" work hahaha
20:27 < Maluseth> ruby on rails is = web application oriented ok
20:27 < Maluseth> but python has more
20:27 < Maluseth> references to draw on..
20:28 < Maluseth> err... ok
20:28 < Maluseth> what should i learn if i were to learn both languages?
20:28 < Maluseth> (not that i think it's even possible)
20:28 < Maluseth> urrrrgh
20:29 < Maluseth> sorry guys im trying to make the right choice
20:29 < jrayhawk> voting ruby.
20:29 < Maluseth> ok
20:30 < Maluseth> then i guess i go over to C and C++ and stuff later right?
20:30 < Maluseth> but that just looked extremely confusing and crazy.
20:30 < jrayhawk> where did WhyTheLuckyStiff's Try Ruby thing go
20:31 < jrayhawk> http://tryruby.org/ i guess
20:31 < Maluseth> http://www.codeschool.com/courses/try-ruby
20:32 <@kanzure> don't use codeschool
20:32 <@kanzure> absolutely not
20:32 <@kanzure> and don't use udacity either
20:32 <@kanzure> they are idiots and don't know how to teach programming
20:32 < Maluseth> they seem to originate from same source
20:32 <@kanzure> yeah well it's bullshit
20:32 < Maluseth> ok
20:32 < Maluseth> what do you recommend?
20:32 <@kanzure> i recommend the links i gave you.
20:32 < Maluseth> ok thanks.
20:33 < Maluseth> i guess what i'm looking for ultimately is 3 things: 1. web development. 2. electronics/mech eng 3. to be using cloud computing for somekind of bio experiment.
20:34 <@kanzure> for bioinformatics-in-the-cloud you should use crossbow
20:34 < Maluseth> those 2 languages is unlikely to suffice
20:34 <@kanzure> which works on aws.
20:34 < Maluseth> thank you
20:34 <@kanzure> bioruby is a bioinformatics library for ruby and biopython is a bioinformatics library for python. so either way.
20:34 < curt1s> hello
20:34 <@kanzure> go away
20:34 < Maluseth> ok
20:34 <@kanzure> sorry, the keys are like right next to hello
20:35 < Maluseth> LOL!!!
20:35 < curt1s> anyone on the east coast
20:35 < Maluseth> i am.
20:35 < Maluseth> Ontario here
20:35 < Maluseth> one woman got killed because of sandy storm already
20:35 < Maluseth> bioruby and biopython
20:35 < Maluseth> but you recommend crossbow for bioinformatics-in-the-cloud
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20:36 < nano1> JayDugger: Whoa, Ken Alibek is a bit of a fraud from what I've heard.  While working at Ft. Detrick with the NCI, I heard that he drummed up a lot of that material in his book.  I was shocked to find that out, b/c I was hoping to find him on the Detrick campus, but he was no longer there.
20:36 < Maluseth> learning learning. organizing.
20:36 < Maluseth> i am going to put EVERYTHING down in a web log
20:36 < Maluseth> so you can review
20:36 < curt1s> blog it
20:36 < Maluseth> if anyone willing
20:36 <@kanzure> i'm not going to review
20:36 < Maluseth> ok
20:36 < Maluseth> ok
20:36 < Maluseth> i'll just make it for my own reference purposes
20:37 < Maluseth> i'm hoping you would scan it so to tell me where i should go next etc
20:37 < Maluseth> but that comes later
20:37 < curt1s> a personal blog
20:37 < curt1s> the best kind
20:37 < Maluseth> i shalt make thee mentors proud
20:37 < Maluseth> ok back to research
20:40 < nano1> Maluseth:  I am using Learn Python the Hard Way.  I would highly recommend it.
20:40 < Maluseth> nano1: doesn't sound like an enticing title but I will look into it. thank you.
20:41 < nano1> Honestly, it's not that bad
20:41 <@kanzure> that book isn't great
20:42 <@kanzure> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
20:42 < nano1> well, there's always that!
20:44 < Maluseth> ok thnx
20:45 < Maluseth> i think i'll try out ruby and ruby on rails as a start.
20:45 < Maluseth> python for =electrical mech engineering.
20:46 < Maluseth> whatever i can make of it anyway. lol
20:46 <@kanzure> what? why?
20:46 <@kanzure> sigh
20:46 < Maluseth> because no money for CAM equipments to use with python?
20:46 < Maluseth> web development hardly costs any money
20:46 < Maluseth> you said ruby on rails was for web development right?
20:46 < ParahSailin> so's python
20:47 < Maluseth> but much more support for ruby on rails right?
20:47 < Maluseth> for references of learning.
20:47 <@kanzure> there are equal references for both.
20:47 <@kanzure> there are simply more useful gems for web development in ruby than there are eggs for web development in python.
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20:48 < Maluseth> aha! thank you. then that settles it.
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20:48 < Maluseth> i want to develop a nice site or a very controlled blog
20:48 < Maluseth> as a start. eventually i'll make money and start buying equipments.
20:49 < Maluseth> ok ruby it is. but gotta pull up my site first and start some online labour.
20:49 < Maluseth> sent money to paypal from my bank account today, 6-8 business days. why so long sigh.
20:50 <@kanzure> stop using paypal
20:50 <@kanzure> stop using windows
20:50 < Maluseth> do i need to learn ruby in order to learn ruby on rails?
20:50 <@kanzure> you are making the most awful decisions
20:50 <@kanzure> just dive into rails, you will learn ruby as you go.
20:50 < Maluseth> i don't know any better. should i use linux?
20:50 < Maluseth> got it.
20:51 < Maluseth> which linux do you recommend using? ubuntu?
20:51 <@kanzure> http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book
20:51 <@kanzure> http://www.rubyinside.com/media/poignant-guide.pdf
20:51 <@kanzure> go ahead and use ubuntu.
20:51 < Maluseth> ok copying down the links.
20:52 < Maluseth> i downloaded this software. DDS-CAD
20:52 <@kanzure> why.
20:52 < Maluseth> apparently it's a CAD made for architecture simplified
20:52 <@kanzure> just use autocad for that.
20:52 <@kanzure> sigh
20:52 < Maluseth> because i want to design my own house, i'm gonna buy land - down Ontario
20:52 < Maluseth> my friend is a construction worker and can get me materials i need for very cheap
20:53 < Maluseth> autocad is complex?
20:53 < Maluseth> DDS-CAD says they simplified everything so you can concentrate
20:53 < Maluseth> but ok
20:53 <@kanzure> what's complex about it exactly?
20:53 < Maluseth> too many features for autocad
20:54 < Maluseth> for dds-cad, they took out most features and left it raw
20:54 < Maluseth> so they say
20:54 < Maluseth> for a beginner, maybe it's easier to organize that way
20:54 < Maluseth> also, my pc can only handle that software prolly
20:54 < Maluseth> but crack didn't work :P
20:55 < ParahSailin> what.
20:55 < Maluseth> i'll just concentrate on the ruby on rails and make money to buy a new laptop
20:55 < Maluseth> you apparently need a physical dongle to use the DDS-CAD
20:55 < Maluseth> and it provided bypass crack file for that but didn't work :(
20:55 < ParahSailin> why dont you get a job in alberta in the tar sands
20:56 < Maluseth> i know! people have been telling me
20:56 < Maluseth> alberta apparently has serious job openings there
20:56 < Maluseth> but. i like my location for now
20:56 < Maluseth> i mean, at the worst of the worst - i can get into a shelter system
20:57 < Maluseth> and not go out in the streets lol
20:57 < Maluseth> there's food banks everywhere around
20:57 < Maluseth> so this is the best place for me to survive really
20:57 < ParahSailin> tar sand jobs pay well
20:58 < Maluseth> you'll never know if you get fired or not though i can't risk it with the money i *haven't saved up
20:58 < ParahSailin> and you're already in canada, so it's not like you're losing out too much on climate
20:58 < Maluseth> that's true
20:58 < Maluseth> i don't know i actually thought about that for some time. my friend is a welder and he just got a job there
20:59 < Maluseth> i got no skills in that area though, i want to learn these stuff
20:59 < ParahSailin> i imagine thats a good place to learn on the job
21:00 < Maluseth> maybe maybe i will look into it. i don't think my grandma would like it though. i live with her currently
21:00 < ParahSailin> i have a machinist friend up there making six figures
21:00 < Maluseth> i have to find a home for her... sigh...
21:00 < Maluseth> wuw
21:00 < Maluseth> my brain is empty. i gotta learn something first
21:01 < Maluseth> anyways thanks back to research.
21:01 < ParahSailin> chris2003@shaw.ca -- tell him you want to do entry level shit in the tar sands
21:01 < Maluseth> wuw
21:01 < Maluseth> that's a contact address
21:01 < Maluseth> thanks
21:01 < Maluseth> i'll think about it...
21:02 < ParahSailin> tell him rob sent you
21:02 < ParahSailin> dont think about it--- do it
21:02 < Maluseth> i have complications with family here but really thank you for the contact
21:02 < Maluseth> i do need money to learn...
21:04 < ParahSailin> chris can probably tell you if its a reasonable proposition to be hired as an apprentice with not skills
21:04 < Maluseth> it's minimum wage though right?
21:04 < ParahSailin> you're asking the wrong person
21:05 < Maluseth> i guesss it's a job that connects to what i want to learn though
21:05 < Maluseth> are you sarah palin?
21:05 < Maluseth> ROFL
21:05 < yashgaroth> if it's anything like the US oil industry, it's far above minimum wage
21:05 < ParahSailin> i can see canada from my house
21:05 < Maluseth> cool
21:06 < yashgaroth> downside is that most of your money is overtime, and it's fairly backbreaking labor
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22:24 < nmz787> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57542285/sandy-leaves-nyc-dark-and-deluged/
22:25 < nmz787> " CBS Correspondent John Miller reports hearing two loud booms, followed by complete darkness on the streets for about 20 blocks in either direction. "
22:25 < Mokstar> nmz787: how are you liking it so far?
22:25 < nmz787> '"It's seems like this one's for real," Grvymala said of the coming storm.'
22:25 < nmz787> well, we just /came/ from NYC
22:25 < Mokstar> have you discovered how infurating the drivers are here?
22:25 < nmz787> so I think we're doin a helluva lot better in light of this hurricane
22:25 < nmz787> :P
22:25 < nmz787> got a nice ranch house here in hillsboro
22:26 < Mokstar> nice
22:26 < bkero> portland is best coast
22:26 < nmz787> haven't had too much of a problem with drivers yet
22:26 < Mokstar> they do silly things, like drive the speed limit
22:26 < Mokstar> or lower
22:26 < nmz787> got some $3.5/lb pasture fed beef at new seasons, which is pretty damn cheap for grassfed
22:26 < Mokstar> and don't get me started on pedestrians
22:26 < Mokstar> it is
22:27 < nmz787> oh, man some cars totally slowed down from like 300 ft away, we were just standing by the street, i was on the phone so i didnt want to walk past them idling (loud), but they all stopped and kinda forced me to cross
22:27 < nmz787> that was weird
22:28 < Mokstar> yeah, cops do street-crossing stings
22:28 < Mokstar> I don't know about hillsboro
22:28 < Mokstar> pedestrians just wander out into traffic
22:29 < Mokstar> randomly, from anywhere on the sidewalk
22:29 < nmz787> well thats normal for a big city, its called jaywalking
22:29 < nmz787> lol
22:30 < Mokstar> they don't have to do it
22:30 < Mokstar> this isn't new york
22:30 < Mokstar> the streets aren't jam packed with people
22:30 < Mokstar> except sometimes
22:30 < Mokstar> but normally, no
22:30 < Mokstar> they have nice wide sidewalks
22:30 < Mokstar> tons of street kids and bums though
22:30 < Mokstar> but they're harmless enough
22:30 < nmz787> nah but i walk on the street to avoid weirdo bums
22:30 < nmz787> lol
22:30 < nmz787> go around a car
22:30 < Mokstar> because the cops will beat them if they cause problems
22:31 < nmz787> or walk the hypotenuse
22:31 < Mokstar> just ignore them, you'll be OK
22:31 < nmz787> hmm
22:31 < Mokstar> or you can stop and devote years of your life to rehabilitate each one
22:31 < nmz787> lol
22:31 < nmz787> yes
22:31 < Mokstar> but then that requires that you make certain assumptions about the purpose and nature of existence, and your right to interfere/aid another's path
22:32 < Mokstar> or something like that
22:32 < nmz787> mmm
22:33 < nmz787> yeah but isnt there one of those theories that you can only assume you are the only thinking being, because you can't actually know if everyone else is a creation of your own mind
22:33 < Mokstar> you can wash their feet, give them haircuts, coffee, and burritos
22:33 < Mokstar> I think they do that on thursday nights
22:33 < Mokstar> 11ish
22:35 < nmz787> weird
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