--- Log opened Wed Oct 31 00:00:11 2012 00:02 -!- Maluseth [~Maluseth@CPE000d56264e40-CM0018c0c46754.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05 -!- marainein [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:419e:9a9c:7312:8add] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Quit: bbl] 02:12 -!- not_unoriginal [424a58e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.74.88.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:27 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34 -!- uf6667 [~uf@212.233.38.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:51 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:00 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:03 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:03 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:03 -!- bkero [~Ben@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:12 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- bkero [~Ben@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:25 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:00 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:34 -!- cpopell [ad4908a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.73.8.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:37 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:52 -!- uf6667 [~uf@212.233.38.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:00 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:05 < archels> http://superstarsofscience.com/ 06:05 < archels> What in the fuck. 06:06 * ThomasEgi hands over the keys for the LOIC 06:06 < ThomasEgi> this is blasphemy.. this is madness! 06:07 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:10 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m176-68-193-102.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:01 -!- alusion_ [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:02 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19 -!- Souljack [~Souljack@host86-159-60-184.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 09:25 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 < nmz7872> archels: pretty cool site, first guy i clicked on is pretty awesome http://superstarsofscience.com/scientist/susumu-tonegawa 09:26 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m176-68-193-102.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:26 < nmz7872> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V(D)J_recombination 09:27 < nmz7872> weird the wikipedia article nor the v(d)j wiki article mention either other specifically 09:27 < archels> nmz7872: I'm sure the scientists themselves are pretty cool, but a ranking site? What's next, a card game? 09:28 < nmz7872> maybe he was higher level than just V(D)J 09:28 < nmz7872> archels: sure 09:28 < nmz7872> I would rather see kids playing and collecting them than pokemon 09:28 < nmz7872> i don't wanna talk to kids about pokemon, hell i dont wanna talk to anyone about pokemon 09:29 < nmz7872> but i like talking science 09:29 < nmz7872> :) 09:29 -!- nmz7872 is now known as nmz787 09:29 < nmz787> http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1987/tonegawa-lecture.pdf 09:29 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:30 * kanzure cries a single tear 09:30 < nmz787> the only menion in the nobelprize.org PDF of vdj is saying lerod hood et al. did it the legwork 09:31 < nmz787> kanzure you like those japanese anime cartoons but not a japanese scientist? 09:31 < nmz787> :P 09:32 < nmz787> geez, i should just say fuck dna synthesis and go make a cartoon about historical scientists coming back to life in the future to fight epic battles against evil or black holes or something 09:32 < nmz787> 'hah hah, i recombine your immune system so now you have autoimmune disease and I have defeat you' 09:35 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:49 < foucist> for great engrish! 09:50 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, how bout fighting against the imperial unit system^? 09:57 -!- uf6667 [~uf@212.233.38.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 < nmz787> yes 10:01 < nmz787> that is another episode 10:08 < chido> nmz787: I'd let you hire me to do the drawing 10:08 < chido> nmz787: also, how is the mouse situation developing? 10:19 < nmz787> well, i was sad to let them go 10:19 < nmz787> i did it near some bushes in a parking lot 10:19 < nmz787> i probably should have taken them to a bigger park 10:19 < nmz787> they were just scampering around under the bush after I had bleach sprayed the bin and thrown away the food and paper liner i had in the bin 10:20 < nmz787> so i dunno, i feel like they're eaten or dead from not having a nest... but I could be underestimating instinct 10:20 < nmz787> they were definitely deer mice though 10:20 < nmz787> the ones who are known to be hanta virus reservoir 10:21 < nmz787> that doesn't mean they had hanta 10:21 < nmz787> but... 10:21 < nmz787> seems the only real treatment for hanta is breathing pure oxygen since its a respiratory thing 10:21 < nmz787> it's also RNA based, so I guess I could huff NaOH fumes or something to clean my lungs of RNA 10:21 < brownies> how many moose did you have? 10:22 < nmz787> caught 2 10:22 < nmz787> they were babies 10:22 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:22 < nmz787> if they didn't possibly have a potentially fatal RNA virus in them, I prob woulda kept them 10:22 < nmz787> at least until I found a cat to feed them to or something 10:22 < nmz787> snake 10:23 < nmz787> kanzure: what is that mini-django framework? 10:23 <@kanzure> flask 10:23 <@kanzure> pyramid 10:23 < nmz787> flask? 10:23 < nmz787> cool 10:24 < nmz787> anyone in here a tv/monitor nerd? 10:24 < nmz787> thinking of buyin this 1080p TV http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD_HDTV/Specs/X408BV-FHD/X408BV-FHD%20MainPage.htm 10:24 < nmz787> $300 on amazon with free shipping 10:24 < nmz787> 8.5ms gtg 10:24 < nmz787> but i dunno how much that matters 10:25 < nmz787> isn't that like 117hz 10:25 < nmz787> whereas most video is only 24, 29.97 or 30 fps 10:25 < nmz787> unless you're a gamer 10:29 < nmz787> /join #debian-gamers 10:30 <@kanzure> pylons 10:30 <@kanzure> aaronsw made web.py but i dunno if anyone is still using that 10:34 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 < archels> 8 ms is not ultra fast 10:43 < ThomasEgi> .. lcd panels have been "fast enough" for like a decade now. 10:44 < ThomasEgi> i wonder why people still use those reaction times and stuff. 10:44 < ThomasEgi> it's just marketing. 10:44 < ThomasEgi> if you want to go for something. color reproduction might be an parameter that's worth the discussion. 10:44 < ThomasEgi> speed is only really of interest when you'r using 3d shutter glasses. 10:45 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.27.137] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.27.137] has quit [Changing host] 10:45 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 < archels> Fast enough for what? There are still plenty of bad panels, of which the slow response time can easily be discerned by just looking. 11:01 < archels> But I agree on the the colour reproduction. 11:05 < ThomasEgi> archels, the last panel i know with slow respones are is the one in my now 12 year old backup-laptop. 11:05 -!- Lucas__ [6c115747@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.17.87.71] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:06 < ThomasEgi> with the introduction of the active tft matrix , that problem was pretty much fixed. especially for tv as it doesnt require quite as fast response as gaming 11:07 < ThomasEgi> color on the other hand.. there are still so many screens out there with yucky color reproduction.. 11:08 < ThomasEgi> once you have had hands on somethig like a the iiyama displays used for traide fairs and exhibitions.. you'll see the world with different eyes 11:09 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:30 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38 < nmz787> but still isn't most video outputted by windows or debian 60 or 90hz 11:39 < nmz787> yeah i dunno there are a lot of screens that are 2ms, but i guess that's just for gamers 11:39 < nmz787> i code mainly and watch tv shows or movies, so 117 hz (8.5ms) seems more than sufficient 11:39 < nmz787> i don't like those new 120hz motion interpolation features some tvs have anyway 11:39 < nmz787> color is important though :{ 11:39 < nmz787> :P 11:45 < TheEmpath> it is possible to use a radio frequency transmitter to extract hydrogen gas from saltwater, then ignite the gas to reach 1500 C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKa4nOkHLw 11:48 < archels> 2007 11:55 < uf6667> TheEmpath: I think a faster way is to create NaAlH4 11:55 < uf6667> and control H2 production using water drip 11:55 < uf6667> the production is fairly fast at room temp, exothermic reaction 12:00 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03 < nmz787> for gene gun propulsion gas? 12:11 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 < jrayhawk> I actually do sub-millisecond-accuracy testing for this, and no, LCD timing issues are not a problem of the past. 12:21 < nmz787> jrayhawk: what's the effect? 12:22 < jrayhawk> multiple frames of delay, sometimes variable 12:22 < jrayhawk> this matters deeply to gamers and people doing screen-based timing tests. 12:23 < nmz787> ahh 12:24 < nmz787> so even though grey to grey is 8 ish ms (117hz max refresh rate) ,there's some wobble 12:24 < nmz787> so is that monitor dependent or graphics or CPU/scheduler? 12:25 < jrayhawk> 'gtg' does not measure input latency. 12:25 < jrayhawk> Basically every latency number advertisers use is useless. 12:26 < jrayhawk> TN panels change color plenty fast, the problems are all in the lazily implemented firmware/controller logic. 12:28 < jrayhawk> things like color correction, scaling, firmware settings UI display, etc 12:28 < jrayhawk> I think the next monitor I get will be a Yamasaki Catleap 2B Extreme 12:28 < jrayhawk> which blessedly has none of those things 12:29 < jrayhawk> speaking of which, TN displays suck for viewing angle and color accuracy; small IPS panels are getting fairly affordable. 12:31 < ybit> anyone know of other examples of skynet, a "fictional, self-aware artificial intelligence system " in terminator 12:31 < ybit> a distributed self-aware system preferably 12:31 <@kanzure> how about the solid state entity? 12:35 < archels> HAL9000 12:35 < archels> also memory-alpha.org 12:36 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36 < archels> Deep Thought from HHGG 12:37 <@kanzure> pfft hal wasn't distributed. it was like a single core or something. ibm 386. 12:37 <@kanzure> *ibm or 386. 12:38 <@kanzure> i suppose ibm has been known to do distributed things, sometimes. 12:38 < nmz787> TN? 12:38 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD 12:38 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 < nmz787> ahh 12:39 < jrayhawk> #Types, specifically 12:40 < nmz787> jrayhawk: what do you think of this http://www.amazon.com/Sceptre-X408BV-FHD-39-Inch-1080p-Black/dp/B0081UUYWA 12:40 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41 < nmz787> www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD_HDTV/Specs/X408BV-FHD/X408BV-FHD MainPage.htm 12:41 < nmz787> http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD_HDTV/Specs/X408BV-FHD/X408BV-FHD%20MainPage.htm 12:41 < nmz787> Viewing Angle178º (horizontal) / 178º  (vertical) 12:44 < nmz787> i'm considering that, but also browsing craigslist for used panels around that same size 12:45 < nmz787> also looking for 22-24" computer displays for office work 12:46 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.27.137] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:46 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.27.137] has quit [Changing host] 12:46 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:47 < nmz787> there are some decent looking 40 inchers on craigslist, samsung and sony, but they're 2-4 or 5 years old 12:47 < nmz787> so i dunno if its wise to get better brands, older, or the latest chinese clone 12:49 < jrayhawk> Sonys theoretically have UPnP MediaServer-friendly firmware, though in practice it appears to be flaky as hell. 12:51 < nmz787> so i was asking this question in another channel, then pasted jrayhawk's comments and some dude got all pissed at me 12:51 < nmz787> saying i should have used pastebin 12:51 <@kanzure> you probably should have used pastebin, yes 12:51 < nmz787> you post news articles sometimes though 12:52 < nmz787> why dont you put that into pastebin? 12:52 <@kanzure> because you guys let me get away with it 12:53 < nmz787> great 12:53 < nmz787> you've allowed my neural network to be borked 12:56 <@kanzure> most of the time i don't use pastebin for things in here because i can just upload a file to my server 12:56 <@kanzure> e.g. error logs for nanoengineer should be persistent to help others with similar problems 12:57 < jrayhawk> thankfully traffic in here is low enough that pasting shit doesn't really disrupt anything. 12:58 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59 < nmz787> hmm 13:00 < jrayhawk> not that people don't still bitch about it for some reason 13:02 < jrayhawk> like that time bryan imported the diyhpl.us faq during a lull in conversation and a bunch of people who never talk were all like "OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING" 13:03 < jrayhawk> people are freakin' weird about personal obligations and signaling games 13:03 <@kanzure> yeah well, that was stupid of me to do anyway 13:04 < nmz787> lol 13:05 < nmz787> that wasnt pasting though 13:05 < nmz787> that was a log bot 13:05 < nmz787> lol 13:05 < nmz787> at least we learned to ignore gnusha 13:05 < nmz787> (i have forgotten how to by now) 13:06 < nmz787> kanzure: hazmat and bioterror training, free in TX http://www.ahls.org/ahls/ecs/courses/syllabus.html?ctid=1 13:06 <@kanzure> is it evil bioterror training? 13:06 < nmz787> hmm 13:07 < nmz787> i guess it could be used that way 13:08 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:18 < strangewarp> Pastebin has normalized the idea that it's better to spend 1 minute to post 1 line, than 1 second to post 3 lines 13:18 < strangewarp> I have no idea why people think short copypastes are spam 13:19 < strangewarp> I have noticed this is especially prevalent in rooms with mostly teenage userbases 13:19 < strangewarp> teenagers.jpg 13:26 <@kanzure> frankly i just enjoy using the pastebinit script 13:26 <@kanzure> cat error.log.txt | pastebinit and out pops a link 13:35 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37 -!- ybit is now known as heathjs 13:38 -!- Lucas__ [6c115747@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.17.87.71] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:41 -!- heathjs [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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maybe something using opencv? 16:24 <@kanzure> i am also curious to know if there are eye tracking studies that study people looking at eye tracking studies. 16:24 < nmz787> heh 16:25 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, shouldnt be too hard to find. it's just tracking a circle after all. 16:26 < nmz787> i think getting the info out is a bit more work tho 16:26 < nmz787> setting up all the initial shit 16:26 < chris_99> don't they normally use IR though 16:28 <@kanzure> http://nashruddin.com/eyetracking-track-user-eye.html 16:30 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, not sure. but removing the IR filter from a webcam takes me bout 2 minutes. and one minute is finding the right screwdriver 16:30 < nmz787> yeah but then you need a vis filter on that 16:30 < chris_99> you need an IR torchy thing to, as it picks up the IR reflection too 16:30 < chris_99> from the pupil 16:33 < ThomasEgi> some IR led's and some developed analog photo film (fully exposed). 16:34 < ThomasEgi> that gives you a nice black piece of film material. which filters out most visible light. but its rather transparent to IR 16:34 < ThomasEgi> i did such mods in the past. pretty funny as it several kinds of fabric are almost ransparent in the IR range. 16:35 < chris_99> heh 16:41 -!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:41 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:43 < nmz787> aliexpress sent me an email to come into their santa clara office 16:44 < nmz787> for some survey 16:45 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:47 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:49 < nmz787> so these fab lab rates seem reasonable http://mbi-online.org/sites/default/files/fy13-external-rates.pdf 16:49 < nmz787> i think the rent is separate from the hourly, but i could be wrong 16:49 < nmz787> i need to find a place like this closer to portland tho 16:52 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:52 < nmz787> $30/hr for GC, 3d profiler interferometer, plasma etcher, scopes, to name a few 16:52 < nmz787> electron scope only at $50/hr level 16:53 < nmz787> none of those folks called me back in regards to a portland lab 16:53 <@kanzure> those costs add up quick 16:54 < nmz787> yeah but a 3d scan only takes maybe 30 mins 16:54 < nmz787> thats with fuckups included 16:54 < nmz787> pretty damn good value if i want to check my fluidics 17:16 -!- tb36 is now known as anarcho_liberal 17:17 -!- wizrobe [~aserid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 17:38 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:41 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:54 -!- Guest10112 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:11 -!- uf6667 [~uf@212.233.38.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.170.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12 < Maluseth> have you guys seen any cheap 3d scanners? 18:12 <@kanzure> yes. 18:12 < Maluseth> they are like 3k at least right? 18:12 <@kanzure> no. 18:13 <@kanzure> stereoscopic webcams don't cost that much. 18:13 < Maluseth> that's another way of bypassing the dilemma 18:13 < Maluseth> thanks 18:13 < Maluseth> but is there an assembled one perhaps 18:13 <@kanzure> an assembled webcam? 18:13 < Maluseth> i mean... 18:13 < Maluseth> fully portable, standalone thing 18:14 <@kanzure> yes, a webcam. 18:14 < Maluseth> how many webcams would i need in order to scan a person? 18:14 < Maluseth> lol 18:14 < ThomasEgi> stereoscopic webcams have a horrible 3d resolution :D 18:14 < ThomasEgi> there are ways to get 3d scans from a single camera using a line laser. 18:14 < Maluseth> thank you i will look into that 18:15 < ThomasEgi> http://www.david-laserscanner.com/ 18:15 < ThomasEgi> the basic version can be tried out for free. 18:15 < Maluseth> wow 18:16 < Maluseth> amazing. knowledge pays off always. 18:16 < ThomasEgi> their structured light scanner aint bad either. 18:16 < Maluseth> ok i wish i had the money to buy something like that 18:16 < ThomasEgi> seen it in real life. 18:16 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 < Maluseth> 499 euro wuw 18:16 < ThomasEgi> if you go for the laser-line scan. all you need is a reasonable webcam. 18:16 < ThomasEgi> and a laser-line pointer. you can get them for 10 bucks on ebay 18:17 < Maluseth> then software does the trick? wuw 18:17 < ThomasEgi> i'd recommend a green laser. as most cameras use bayer patterns which has twice as many green pixels as red or blue 18:17 < ThomasEgi> yeah. 18:17 < ThomasEgi> as i said. their basic version is free. 18:17 < ThomasEgi> but it isnt all too difficult to write a simple line-tracing software yourself. 18:18 < ThomasEgi> made one as weekend project myself since that laserscanning thing doesnt run on linux. 18:18 < Maluseth> no i'm just learning right now complete beginner... 18:18 < Maluseth> but vmware can run windows on linux right? 18:18 < nmz787> i worked on a 3d scanner a while ago 18:18 < nmz787> lookup point clouds 18:18 < ThomasEgi> yeah. but i don't want to run windows. 18:18 < ThomasEgi> http://p3dp.com/doku.php?id=thomaseg1:start 18:18 < nmz787> point cloud to 3d mesh 18:18 < ThomasEgi> that was my result. after a weekend of tinkering 18:18 < Maluseth> nmz787 thanks. 18:19 < Maluseth> you guys are geniuses 18:19 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, cloudcompare? 18:19 < nmz787> yeah it had two cameras, basic web cam types, can't remember if they had color bayer filters or if they were greyscale 18:19 < nmz787> ThomasEgi: never heard of that 18:19 < Maluseth> sigh how can i get there 18:20 <@kanzure> stop using windows 18:20 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, pretty neat open source toolkit for working with pointclouds 18:20 <@kanzure> stop using dreamweaver 18:20 < ThomasEgi> stop watching tv 18:20 < Maluseth> i think i'll just download the basic version, buy the stereoscopic webcam, and laser line pointers 18:20 < Maluseth> :) 18:20 < nmz787> but snapping pics was linked to stepping a stepper motor which had a platform attached 18:20 < ThomasEgi> you don't need a stereoscopi webcam 18:20 < Maluseth> yes yes. i'm doing that now 18:20 < ThomasEgi> a simple webcam will do. 18:20 < Maluseth> wasted enough time watching cartoons and playing games 18:20 < nmz787> and each step was accompanied by several of the structured line black white alternating lines 18:21 < ThomasEgi> Maluseth, in case you have a projector.. you could go with structured light scans. 18:21 < ThomasEgi> they are amazing. 18:21 < Maluseth> so many ways. i dont have one, but i guess now i'm thinking it kind of works like chroma keying - green screen stuff 18:22 < ThomasEgi> biggest problem i ran into at one point was. the distortion from my camera. you could actually see how the flat background got distroted in depth. didn't bother to fix that 18:22 < Maluseth> nvm i'll just use it and understand it 18:22 < Maluseth> if i can 18:22 < Maluseth> amazing info hopefully i can make something out of it 18:22 < Maluseth> hey 3d printer at 500 bucks 18:22 < Maluseth> solidoodle or something 18:22 < nmz787> you can develop a flatness profile with a checkerboard pattern and some software 18:23 <@kanzure> you can build a reprap for less than $500 18:23 <@kanzure> for someone with no money you sure do like to spend it 18:23 < Maluseth> i like to imagine, i can't spend anything 18:23 < nmz787> basically you print a checkerboard pattern, or buy one mounted to hard wood/metal, then photograph it in various positions... i've literally had to dance around holding a 6 ft sq checkerboard befoire 18:24 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, if you know your background is flat. you don't even need the checkerboard pattern. 18:24 < ThomasEgi> simple hough transform of the triangulated data should get you the plane equation of the flat background 18:24 < nmz787> then you run some (matlab was the one they had) code to figure it all out, and it spits out a nice matrix of numbers that define your optical distortion 18:24 < ThomasEgi> and from there. you can calculate stuff backwards. creating a transform matrix 18:24 < nmz787> yeah that's the fancy word for it 18:26 < nmz787> i was usin a pico projector 18:26 < nmz787> the one from digikey i think, the flagship one that TI endorses 18:26 < nmz787> was decent res 18:27 < nmz787> they were hoping to package it all into a product 18:27 < nmz787> (they were an OEM for TI) 18:27 < ParahSailin> Maluseth, did you take advantage of my free advice? 18:29 < Maluseth> No parah... i didn't. I have a Grandma who needs taking care of. 18:29 < Maluseth> If I was alone I may be able to. 18:30 < ParahSailin> ill have to be less generous to random strangers in the future 18:30 < Maluseth> but thank you... 18:30 < nmz787> here's what it looked like http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20090202/real-view-3d-scanner/ 18:32 < Maluseth> how about a mini-desktop-milling & casting, foundry (all mini) for your home? does it exist? 18:32 -!- cpopell [ad4908a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.73.8.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32 <@kanzure> yes. 18:32 < Maluseth> OMG! 18:32 < ThomasEgi> hehe. exists.. 18:32 < ThomasEgi> but costs 18:33 < Maluseth> how much would it cost? 18:33 < ThomasEgi> more than you want to pay 18:33 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: yeah i don't know what the point is here 18:33 < Maluseth> oh 18:33 < ThomasEgi> milling is probably the most expensive part 18:33 < ThomasEgi> as it requires extensive mechanics and controll circuitry 18:33 < nmz787> i never saw a mini foundry 18:33 <@kanzure> nmz787: i'm pretty sure gingery had one 18:33 < ThomasEgi> casting is rather cheap. 18:34 < nmz787> seems wasteful 18:34 < nmz787> i mean, seems more efficient to do bigger batches 18:35 < Maluseth> there's limits on what you can make with filaments for the 3d printers right? i mean their density can't sustain itself? 18:35 < Maluseth> if in motion or something 18:35 <@kanzure> you seem to be all over the place 18:35 <@kanzure> why are you jumping from a foundry to 3d printing? 18:35 < Maluseth> i am trying to piece these puzzles together 18:35 <@kanzure> what puzzles 18:36 < Maluseth> i figure, after going plastic, you gotta go metal, and be able to learn programming languages to connect somesort of circuitry 18:36 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:36 < Maluseth> to make a motion- manipulative machinary of some sort 18:36 < ThomasEgi> there are also 3d-metal printers 18:36 < Maluseth> what?! really? 18:36 < ThomasEgi> sure 18:36 < Maluseth> what are they called? 18:37 < ThomasEgi> direct metal laser sintering or so 18:37 < Maluseth> must cost a fortune 18:37 < ThomasEgi> nothing for a DIY budget guy anyway 18:38 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:38 < Maluseth> hopefully my grandma will support me later if she can approve of my creativity 18:38 < Maluseth> heh 18:38 < ThomasEgi> prepare for 6-digit pricetags 18:38 < Maluseth> but hard to convince a person who dont know how to use a computer sigh 18:38 < Maluseth> ow 18:38 <@kanzure> give her an ipad. old people love ipads. 18:39 < Maluseth> it's good to know though 18:39 < Maluseth> kanzure: good idea 18:39 < ParahSailin> kanzure, i recommend making here harder to find 18:39 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: i think you might be right 18:40 < ThomasEgi> most of the time. traditional manufactoring of mechanical parts isn't that much of a bad idea. 18:40 < ThomasEgi> unless they can be made from plastic 18:40 < ThomasEgi> or have very complex shape 18:40 < Maluseth> for very complex shapes, plastic is a better choice because it's more flexible? 18:40 < Maluseth> ok 18:41 < ParahSailin> i want to print my own nails to hammer studs together though 18:41 < ThomasEgi> ParahSailin, throw in enough money. and you can get everything printed. 18:41 < Maluseth> ok i am going to research on everything bbl 18:41 < ParahSailin> being facetious 18:42 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: why can't i get the high quality newbies? 18:42 <@kanzure> it's not fair 18:42 < ParahSailin> your channel is not guessable 18:42 < ThomasEgi> humans are strange. invited someone to share my lasagna with... the lady decided not to drop by and go to a party instead. might have hooked up there who knows. can't understand how someone could miss lasagna.. 18:42 < ParahSailin> so its not a schelling point 18:43 -!- cpopell [ad4908a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.73.8.160] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:44 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47 -!- cpopell [ad4908a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.73.8.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48 -!- marainein [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:419e:9a9c:7312:8add] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:51 -!- cpopell [ad4908a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.73.8.160] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:03 -!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:52 -!- Mokstar1 [~Nate@c-76-115-140-241.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:54 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:54 -!- Mokstar [~Nate@c-76-115-140-241.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:14 <@kanzure> i don't recognize any of the names on the 'ultrasound-guided focused ultrasound' manufacturer list: 20:14 <@kanzure> http://www.fusfoundation.org/MRgFUS-Overview/device-manufacturers 20:15 <@kanzure> http://www.edap-hifu.com/ http://www.haifu-hifu.co.uk/ http://www.histosonics.com/ http://www.mirabilismedica.com/ http://www.aishen.com.cn/en/index.asp http://www.sumo.com.hk/ http://www.theraclion.com/ http://www.ushifu.com/ 20:17 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 -!- bkero [~Ben@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:21 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:22 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:23 -!- bkero [~Ben@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:26 < AdrianG> including philips and siemens? 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