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03:49 < Loanshark> hello
03:50 < Loanshark> I am getting the greyscreen of death on my mac! can someone please help?
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03:59 < Loanshark> can someone please help?
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13:07 < curt1s> hi
13:07 < curt1s> pretty quite around here huh
13:07 < curt1s> quiet*
13:07 < curt1s> where is everybody
13:08 < brownies> working
13:10 < strangewarp> upgrading some slightly outdated DIY musical hardware while I wait for a drum machine to arrive
13:11 < strangewarp> openly transhumanist musician.. activate
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13:27 < ThomasEgi> anyone knows a source for small quantities of zeolite 3A (alternatively 4A or x13).i can only find 1ton and more. or totaly overpriced offers :/
13:27 < ThomasEgi> but nothing in lab quantities of bout 1kg or so.
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13:40 < fenn> ThomasEgi: get a dead/malfunctioning oxygen concentrator from a hospital or care facility?
13:41 < fenn> looks like this is used for distilling alcohol? http://www.milehidistilling.com/zeolite-3a-ethanol-dessicant-5-pounds/
13:42 < ParahSailin> ThomasEgi, i have gotten free samples from chinese mfers
13:42 < ParahSailin> go on alibaba and send out inquiries
13:42 < fenn> is $14/kg overpriced?
13:43 < ThomasEgi> ton sells for 1400
13:43 < ThomasEgi> so yes.. 10 times over wholesale price^
13:43 < ParahSailin> free is even cheaper...
13:43 < ThomasEgi> my best find was about 25bucks /kg
13:43 < fenn> what are you using it for anyway?
13:43 < ThomasEgi> collecting water from air
13:43 < fenn> ORLY
13:44 < ParahSailin> seriously, molecular sieve is something that you get free samples of easily
13:44 < fenn> i was researching various types of air wells before moving to the desert
13:44 < AdrianG> 25 bucks a kilo is dirt cheap damn
13:44 < fenn> i figure a calcium chloride saturated waterfall would do a good job
13:44 < AdrianG> where is a good place to be APIs
13:44 < AdrianG> like triiodotyronine
13:45 < fenn> API stands for what now?
13:45 < ParahSailin> active pharma ingr?
13:45 < ThomasEgi> ParahSailin, if you can manage to provide me a free sample of anywhere between 1 and 20kg i'll take it:D
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13:49 < AdrianG> yes active pharma ingredients
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13:49 < AdrianG> for "research" for i am an independent researcher
13:55 < ParahSailin> ThomasEgi, do your own leg work
13:56 < ParahSailin> actually--- this is who i got some from once www.molecular-sieve.net
13:56 < ParahSailin> Ms.Zhang Yujun / Export department
13:56 < ParahSailin> ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** **
13:56 < ParahSailin> Dalian Haixin Chemical Industrial CO.Ltd
13:56 < ParahSailin> 212-6-1202 Gaoerji Road Dalian,116011 China
13:56 < ParahSailin> Tel: +86-411-83785918
13:56 < ParahSailin> Fax: +86-411-83785808
13:56 < ParahSailin> Mobil:+86-13842819857
13:56 < ParahSailin> email:haixin@mail.dlptt.ln.cn
13:57 < ParahSailin> do you need a "script" for how to bum samples from a chemical co?
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13:59 < fenn> "hello, i am a lowly researcher from a fast paced pharmaceutical company that will soon be needing millions of tons of [INSERT PRODUCT NAME HERE] for mass production, send me teh samplez quick"
13:59 < nmz787> ParahSailin: what is molecular sieve? filter?
13:59 < ParahSailin> zeolites
13:59 < fenn> nmz787: adsorption
13:59 < ParahSailin> fenn, exactly
14:00 < fenn> sometimes selective based on size
14:00 < fenn> also you can get them coated with various resins for enhanced selectivity
14:00 < nmz787> so that company you just linked doesn't have [insert chem here]
14:06 < nmz787> fenn are you still in NM?
14:09 < fenn> no, i went back to austin temporarily
14:09 < fenn> things didn't work in nm
14:20 < nmz787> fenn: have any ideas for how to blur a lithography master to reduce edge 'jaggies'
14:20 < nmz787> I found a guy who will probably let me play with a FIB (focused ion beam)
14:20 < fenn> FIB is computer controlled, what do you mean "master"?
14:20 < fenn> it's like CNC
14:20 < nmz787> so I think i'm gonna make lithography master's with that, then use them for making my micro channels
14:21 < fenn> er, is this a software issue or a process issue?
14:21 < nmz787> yeah like CNC a quartz plate with gold on it, remove the gold, use that as a contact lithography mask
14:21 < nmz787> well its still raster
14:21 < fenn> don't do raster then
14:21 < nmz787> so on nm scale there are still gonna be jagged edges
14:21 < nmz787> i'm not sure if that's possible with the CNC control
14:22 < nmz787> i.e. doing vector mode
14:22 < fenn> sigh. anyway, use something to dissolve the jaggies
14:22 < nmz787> sigh?
14:22 < fenn> electropolishing probably won't work because it's not a single conductor anymore (after you cut it into bits)
14:22 < fenn> sigh because sometimes it seems like all of our problems are because of bad software
14:23 < nmz787> i was thinking either brief chemical etch, or blurring the lithography transfer somehow
14:23 < fenn> not a lot dissolves gold, i can only think of aqua regia
14:27 < nmz787> i know he had another metal sputter station
14:27 < nmz787> can't remember what kind it was
14:28 < fenn> you can sputter chrome
14:28 < fenn> or aluminum
14:28 < fenn> or anything really
14:28 < fenn> masks are usually chrome
14:31 < nmz787> i'm over in #homecmos with azonenberg, he's got some good tips
14:40 < fenn> if you want to make something for me with your FIB time
14:40 < fenn> i wanted to do a variable pitch diffraction grating, going from mm size (visible stripes) down to the resolution limit of the etching device
14:41 < fenn> then use it as a master to cold press onto mylar film and make ribbons
14:41 < nmz787> what would it look like?
14:41 < fenn> i don't know, that's part of why i wanted to do it
14:41 < nmz787> the guy wrote the entire bible in ~1 sq inch (shaped like a cross actually) in an afternoon
14:41 < nmz787> and makes replicas on a hot plate with polystyrene
14:42 < nmz787> i was thinking of making a fresnel lens to accompany the microbible
14:42 < fenn> yeah i saw that, how long do you think it will last?
14:42 < nmz787> as you can't really read it without like 500X mag
14:42 < fenn> 1000 years?
14:42 < nmz787> dunno
14:42 < nmz787> heh
14:42 < fenn> a billion years?
14:42 < nmz787> but apparently that service hasn't really taken off
14:42 < fenn> nobody thinks long term
14:42 < nmz787> so he said if i had any ideas, i could have a percent of the sales
14:43 < nmz787> so i think your ribbon idea might be a decent gimmicky idea
14:43 < nmz787> sell to ravers if it looked cool??
14:43 < nmz787> well he said the input was a binary bitmap
14:44 < nmz787> so i dunno if you could easily output that from inkscape
14:44 < nmz787> would you think the line spacing as well as thickness should change at the same time?
14:45 < nmz787> or keep the spacing constant while decreasing line width?
14:45 < nmz787> following a chirp function?
14:46 < nmz787> maybe that could be the first thing I play around with FIBing
14:46  * nmz787 got the cantenna trained on an open FIOS connection!
14:47 < fenn> the image resolution is going to be huge
14:47 < fenn> number of pixels i mean
14:48 < fenn> anyway i'd write a script to do it
14:48 < fenn> the wavelength changes, the duty cycle remains 50%
14:48 < fenn> so yes, a chirp function
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14:52 < nmz787> well you should play with that idea if you have some time
14:53 < nmz787> I am gonna meet with this guy to discuss fluidics work this week, so I can mention I have an idea for getting to learn the FIB
14:53 < ParahSailin> fib is super expensive right?
14:56 < nmz787> this guy said he charges $375 / hr
14:56 < nmz787> but that I could play with it for free/cheap for a while
14:57 < nmz787> if I could actually come up with something that made some income, it would be even better
14:57 < nmz787> so some optical trinket could be just the right thing
14:57 < nmz787> make a master, replicate with a hot plate melting on some plastic and peeling off when hard
14:59 < nmz787> bbl
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19:45 < fenn> $1/kg http://www.statelinetack.com/item/sweet-pdz-stall-freshener/
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23:43 < Maluseth> http://www.nanostring.com/
23:44 < Maluseth> what is it?
23:44 < Maluseth> hope it helps someone here.
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