--- Log opened Mon Nov 05 00:00:16 2012 00:08 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:09 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:15 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:51 -!- lichen_ is now known as lichen 00:55 < pasky> hi from http://beyondai.zcu.cz/programme/ 00:59 < pasky> i can do a transcript of some of the talks if something is particularly interesting to someone 01:14 < chido> I'm there too but I'm a slow typist 01:21 -!- gedanken1tuecke is now known as gedankenstuecke 02:11 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:59 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@static-50-43-57-169.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:35 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:16 < fenn> "is evolution a turing machine?" no. 05:16 < fenn> there, now you can talk about something useful, like HTM 05:17 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 05:17 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 < fenn> also why do they start conferences so early? 05:19 < chido> fenn: I'd like to know that too, I had to get up at 5 am 05:21 < chido> as a consequence I just almost slept through a lecture on the ethics of electric toothbrushes 05:21 < fenn> WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE TOOTHBRUSHES 05:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:05 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15 -!- audy [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 -!- antifas [~safitan@75.105.12.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35 -!- anarcho_liberal [~toadghost@75.105.12.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:43 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:43 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:37 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- uf6667 [uf@cpc9-brig17-2-0-cust144.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:06 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:09 < brownies> so what's the verdict? 08:09 < brownies> how ethical is my toothbrush? 08:13 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 < ThomasEgi> on a scale from 0 to 10? 08:18 < chido> apparently it depends on the fact if you can turn it on and off freely and if it has smiley face on its display (?) 08:18 < brownies> what the hell kind of conference did you go to o.O 08:18 < chido> electrical toothbrush ethics is quite complicated 08:19 < ThomasEgi> who said it was electrical? 08:19 < chido> http://beyondai.zcu.cz/programme/ 08:19 < chido> Soren Holm is the toothbrush guy 08:20 < strangewarp> ... electronic toothbrush ethics? Is it being used as an allegory or something? 08:20 < ThomasEgi> why am i getting this "buy an electric toothbrush the first time in your life just so you can hack it into something" idea 08:23 < brownies> i'm having trouble contemplating what you would even DO if you could program your toothbrush 08:23 < brownies> i guess maybe you could set up your cofeemaker to start brewing when you start brushing your teeth 08:23 < chido> strangewarp: it's a toothbrush that displays a smileyface when you brush your teeth long enough, he was using it as an example of moral-enhancing AI (?) 08:25 < strangewarp> Sounds.. dubious 08:27 < strangewarp> I'm going to open myself up to being called a nazi again, but I'd advise you to devalue the sort of ethical argument that uses shaky comparisons.. 08:27 < ThomasEgi> hm.. i know a german company that produces adult-erotic-toys ... which are controlled by small microcontroller with the programming interface easy to reach by drilling 2 tiny holes under the battery cap. 08:30 -!- SDragon is now known as SDr 08:30 -!- SDr [~SDr@ec2-79-125-77-70.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:30 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:37 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:55 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-14-211.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29 < TheEmpath> ontologically-aware PHP framework http://dev.4over.com/verband/Public/ 09:29 < TheEmpath> weee 09:29 < TheEmpath> i mean https://github.com/12dCode/verband 09:49 -!- antifas [~safitan@75.105.12.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- kneemailbigger [~tb36@75.105.12.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- TheEmpath [~TheEmpath@hsrp-bgp.4over.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:31 -!- Replop [~Gwen@ASte-Genev-Bois-154-1-115-184.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- rainfrog [~swamp@p5B16E18D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 -!- ElixirVitae 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