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06:56 < kanzure> gba https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1At4nh18WJc&feature=plcp
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08:16 < strangewarp> note to self: noopept + cognizin + moderately large amount of caffeine = feeling closer to the Buddha, but less productive and less capable of crunching information. May be a good mix for more hands-on high-level music work though, idk
08:17 < strangewarp> educated guess: supplement noopept with cognizin or caffeine, but not both
08:20 < strangewarp> further note to self: austerity chic does not translate to haircuts unless they're shaven ones
08:27 < brownies> strangewarp: really amping up your nootropic explorations, eh?
08:27 < brownies> interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicoline
08:30 < strangewarp> indeed, Cognizin = Citicoline
08:30 < strangewarp> It's a surprisingly peppy nootropic with an instant effect
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08:35 < strangewarp> I think I prefer noopept, honestly - if I get hired for this studio tech position, I'll see how it stacks with 'racetams
08:38 < strangewarp> gonna start growing weed in a month or so, as well
08:38  * strangewarp Coloradoan patriotism, for once
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08:50 < strangewarp> As a musician living in a state that just outright legalized weed, I am fascinated by the possibilities of mixing weed and noots - sort of wondering whether there are any hidden productivity or insightfulness sweet-spots in there that I could find
08:51 < kanzure> and what has led you to this conclusion
08:52 < strangewarp> kanzure: the experimental spirit, mostly
08:52 < strangewarp> It might be a total wash, I admit
08:54 < strangewarp> a high-cannabinoid, low-THC strain would be the most likely candidate, since the lethargy comes from the THC, whereas cannabinoids stimulate the imagination..
08:59 < ParahSail1in> whats the part that makes people conspiratards
08:59 < strangewarp> weed culture
09:00 < ParahSail1in> accidental to the drug itself?
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09:00 < strangewarp> it might cause paranoia, or it might be an effect of knowing it's illegal and being made prone to suggestion, or both
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09:01 < strangewarp> weed culture sucks though, I'm gonna lay the blame there
09:02 < kanzure> "let's try it with weed, because!"
09:02 < kanzure> bleh
09:02 < strangewarp> oh shush, it's just an idle fascination, I'm not expecting anything to come of it honestly ;)
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09:05 < strangewarp> whoop, gotta go make a shopping list for the recipes I'll be contributing on Thanksgiving, zoom
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09:26 < kanzure> how many different restriction enzymes do we have these days?
09:29 < ParahSail1in> on the order of 200
09:33 < nmz787> so does anyone here know if there are cheaper similars to Molecular Probes
09:33 < nmz787> Molecular Probes' YOYO-1 DNA Dye?
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09:34 < ParahSail1in> for what purpose?
09:35 < nmz787> it is a bis intercalator (2 bases, 1 dye) so its bery bright and has high affinity for DNA, plus fluoresces like 1000X brighter when bound to DNA
09:35 < nmz787> looking at single DNA molecules
09:35 < nmz787> I figure if I'm bulding micro/nano channels, moving a piece of DNA through is a good first experiment
09:36 < nmz787> once i get the whole fab process figured out
09:36 < kanzure> moving colored dyes is a better first experiment
09:36 < nmz787> meh
09:36 < nmz787> that's kind of 0.5 step
09:38 < ParahSail1in> fancy dyes are usually pretty expensive and only sold by invitrogen
09:38 < kanzure> i was thinking more like... food coloring dyes
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09:38 < nmz787> yeah its $400 for 200uL
09:39 < nmz787> kanzure: yes that is a simpler first step
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12:01 < nmz787> kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/microfluidics/Rapid%20prototyping%20of%20glass-based%20micro%ef%ac%82uidic%20chips%20utilizing%20two-pass%20defocused%20CO2%20laser%20beam%20method.pdf
12:02 < kanzure> neat
12:11 < nmz787> kanzure: this one too is pretty cool for doing lots of valves http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/microfluidics/Design%20and%20characterization%20of%20a%20platform%20for%20thermal%20actuation%20of%20up%20to%20588%20micro%ef%ac%82uidic%20valves.pdf
12:16 < kanzure> if you can't find things i might have a copy in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/
12:16 < nmz787> cool
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12:33 < strangewarp> I had some yerba mate and I feel like a living god
12:33 < strangewarp> interaction of yerba mate and nootropics: ?????
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12:43 < ParahSail1in> yerba mate is just caffeine
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13:05 < strangewarp> hmm, I could have sworn it contained herbal sedatives plus caffeine?
13:05 < strangewarp> I'll have to look into that
13:25 < fenn> it also contains mateine and theophylline
13:27 < strangewarp> ah, there we go then
13:29 < fenn> egad, "Citicoline has also been shown to elevate ACTH independently from CRH levels and to amplify the release of other HPA axis hormones such as LH, FSH, GH and TSH"
13:30 < ParahSail1in> mateine is caffeine
13:30 < strangewarp> yeah, I wikied mateine and raised an eyebrow, there
13:31 < strangewarp> yerba mate also contains theobromine (not to be confused with bromine).. hm
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13:36 < fenn> anyway, don't overdo it on the caffeine or you'll find yourself not liking it anymore
13:36 < strangewarp> yeah, I usually just consume light-to-moderate amounts of caffeine
13:36 < fenn> thanks for reminding me about noopept
13:37 < strangewarp> no prob
13:37 < strangewarp> noopept + cognizin
13:37 < strangewarp> A+ combo
13:37 < fenn> thought i had left all my nootropics in SF, but noopept managed to sneak in because it's so small
13:37 < fenn> i'm surprised swanson sells citicoline
13:37 < fenn> is there anything special about "cognizin" brand?
13:38 < strangewarp> Brainpower Nutriceuticals sell a noopept supplement that's much cheaper per dose than the others I've seen, btw
13:38 < strangewarp> oh, nope, I just call citicoline "cognizin" to keep people from confusing it with choline proper
13:38 < fenn> um, how much is a dose anyway?
13:38 < strangewarp> one dose of noopept should be no larger than 30mg, for safety reasons
13:39 < fenn> on what basis?
13:39 < strangewarp> if you take 60mg at once, you start getting close to the range where you risk liver damage
13:39 < strangewarp> (from what I understand of it, anyway; I'm not a chemist or doctor)
13:40 < strangewarp> also, you have to take it with one of the standard 'racetam absorption agents; choline or whatnot
13:41 < strangewarp> Brainpower Nutriceuticals put noopept/choline citrate in single pills, together. very convenient
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14:10 < jrayhawk> yerba mate, like all teas, also has piles of interesting phenolics
14:11 < jrayhawk> http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/12/3/423
14:13 < chris_99> what about chocolate, is that any good for brain power?
14:15 < jrayhawk> Initially, yes, but, I find my HPA axis getting really trashed if I use it very long.
14:16 < jrayhawk> And my intestines start complaining. Don't know if it's the magnesium or the theobromine, there.
14:18 < jrayhawk> thankfully my chocolate cravings go way down when i supplement with a chelated magnesium
14:19 < chris_99> heh, i eat far too much chocolate
14:21 < fenn> i noticed that too
14:21 < fenn> also mate isn't a tea
14:22 < jrayhawk> oh
14:22 < chris_99> oh it's holly apparently
14:22 < fenn> something like that
14:23 < jrayhawk> i used to buy these http://www.ohnuts.com/buy.cfm/baked-goods-baking-supplies/callebaut-finest-belgian-chocolate-11-lb-bar
14:23 < fenn> woah
14:24 < fenn> i just get the trader joe's pound plus 72%
14:24 < fenn> how do you even eat a brick of pure chocolate?
14:25 < jrayhawk> it involves a hammer
14:25 < fenn> i mean it must be physically difficult to chew
14:25 < jrayhawk> basically any day that involves preparing food with a hammer is a good day, in my book
14:25 < jrayhawk> this is why i like coconuts
14:26 < fenn> and lamb brains
14:26 < jrayhawk> good thinking!
14:30 < fenn> i think chlorogenic acid is a mild laxative, could be why too much chocolate upsets your tummy
14:30 < jrayhawk> oh, neat
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14:31 < jrayhawk> Yeah, I've messed with unchelated magnesium before, and while it does cause a lot of stool water retention, it is not nearly as dramatic as the typical effects of chocolate, so that makes sense
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18:13 < kanzure> beep
18:22 < fenn> boop
18:34 < kanzure> sup?
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18:41 < fenn> setting up a small electronics bench area
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19:27 < kanzure> http://www.oshwa.org/sharing-best-practices/
19:28  * fenn yawns
19:28 < fenn> well at least it's something to point people at
19:29 < kanzure> do you feel like looking at an encryption problem for me?
19:29 < fenn> i dont know anything about encryption
19:30 < fenn> these oshw people seem to think everything is super amateur and hopeless from the start
19:30 < fenn> it's not like "here's how to do it" it's "you're a clueless fucktard and try not to fuck it up too bad but nobody is going to care anyway"
19:31 < fenn> a wiki is not a manual
19:32 < fenn> obviously they were trying to list open source cad formats but ran into the problem that there aren't any
19:32 < fenn> but why list altium? it's $15k/seat
19:33 < fenn> also it's extremely electronics focused
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19:50 < fenn> this quote requesting stuff really chaps my ass
19:50 < fenn> just tell me the price dammit
19:50 < fenn> do we really need 5 back and forth emails about which specific subtype of the four options that are available is best suited to my needs? just give me the price of all four
20:00 < kanzure> the people who have taken over oshw like to assume it's all electronics
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