--- Log opened Wed Dec 05 00:00:35 2012
--- Day changed Wed Dec 05 2012
00:00 <@kanzure> i wish google would return to displaying 100 results per page
00:00 <@kanzure> they have switched the first page of search results to list out "similar queries" which are never anything like what i want
00:00 <@kanzure> and then on the second page you can get your 100 results
00:10 <@kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2012-12-05-0206-google-not-100.png
00:15 < joshcryer> http://www.google.com/preferences?hl=en
00:16 < joshcryer> turned off google instant and my results per page are massive, but it does still spam their previous results crap...
00:19 <@kanzure> nope, i've never had instant enabled
00:20 < joshcryer> weird, I got shitloads of results now, easily 100
00:22 < joshcryer> wtf, when I search for "linux powerpoint ppt extract links" I get the same thing as your screenshot
00:22 <@kanzure> :(
00:22 <@kanzure> catppt sounds nice though
00:22 <@kanzure> the real way to do it is the python/openoffice/libreoffice bindings that would ostensibly take more than 10 seconds of effort
00:23 < joshcryer> "ppt extract links" goes back to 100 result behavior, bizarre
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01:00 < brownies> kanzure: i get 100 results without the "similar" crap
01:00 < brownies> kanzure: long story short, you are clearly a google noob
01:01 < ThomasEgi> brownies, you know that google gives you customized search results. it's not the same for everyone but based on your personal interest and previous searches
01:01 < brownies> ThomasEgi: i have that disabled as well
01:02 < brownies> i know they still customize it regardless when i'm logged in, but that may be a factor in eliminating the whole chunk of "similar search results" or whatever that kanzure is getting
01:05 < brownies> kanzure: oh you know what it is? i have my omnibar set to force Google Verbatim Search
01:05 < brownies> so i get 0 bullshit from Google trying to "help" me
01:21 < Coornail> imho they actually helping me
01:21 < Coornail> so I'm glad for this feature
01:23 < joshcryer> brownies, do you grt 100 results for "linux powerpoint ppt extract links"?
01:24 < brownies> joshcryer: yup
01:25 < joshcryer> brownies, weird! I don't...
01:26 < brownies> joshcryer: using google verbatim is the key
01:27 < joshcryer> brownies, eh, I need google to help me, I'm sort of attuned to it and it is to me, so 99% of the time the first 5 hits are what I 100% want.
01:27 < brownies> ah, that is true for me too... with verbatim =P
01:28 < joshcryer> brownies, just trying to figure out why longer search queries default to shorter results, it's weird, but not terribly necessary.
01:28 < brownies> yeah, sometimes they will broaden your search for you if the original does not have very many results
01:28 < brownies> there are only about 700 results total for that phrase in verbatim btw
01:28 < brownies> well, 7 pages, so < 700
01:29 < joshcryer> I use verbatim for the 1% of queries that don't work out. I simply won't read past the first 10 results.
01:29 < joshcryer> (which is why I turned off 100 results already, was just checking it out for kanzure)
01:29 < brownies> yeah, i have mine set to 10 results... but i bumped it to 100 just to prove kanzure wrong
01:30 < brownies> heh yup =P
01:30 < joshcryer> jinx ;D
01:44 < abetusk> fenn, nmz787, up?
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02:40 < pasky_> hmm, i like most of the transformations google usually makes on my words, the only thing i extremely dislike is google _dropping_ one of my keywords when there aren't many results; i'd rather have no results then
02:41 < pasky_> any way to prevent just that?
02:41 < archels> the + operator was (stupidly) removed a while back
02:42 < pasky_> well of course i can workaround it by quoting the dropped keyword
02:43 < pasky_> but i'd rather not to go back, edit and resubmit the query
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08:26 <@kanzure> quoting doesn't do that either anyomre
09:00 < fenn> nestled among the usb cables and android set top boxes, we find this curiosity http://dx.com/p/stainless-steel-emulational-gun-tight-inner-barrel-for-ak47-silver-455mm-length-171762
09:01 < fenn> i wonder if it's for airsoft?
09:02 <@kanzure> i hate zero state
09:02 <@kanzure> i wish they would stop sending me email
09:02 < fenn> ah okay nevermind.. for a moment i thought dealextreme was selling gun parts
09:06 < fenn> i mean these certainly look like they would work just fine on a real gun http://dx.com/c/hobbies-toys-899/airsoft-guns-supplies-837/gun-mounts-rails-876
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09:25 <@kanzure> oh great now zero state guy is claiming that i hate artists
09:25 <@kanzure> i wonder how he got to that conclusion
09:27 < fenn> well, don't you?
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09:40 <@kanzure> fenn: my message had nothing to do with artist hatred though
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09:40 <@kanzure> fenn: ok i sent
09:41 <@kanzure> to your inbox i mean
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10:05 <@kanzure> go away EnLilaSko-
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10:14 <@kanzure> fenn: /join #openworm-office
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10:32 <@kanzure> blah you guys are all terrible at maintaining connections
10:34 <@kanzure> http://browser.openworm.org/
10:38 < fenn> i don't have webgl for unexplainable reasons
10:39 < fenn> the screenshots look nice
10:58 <@kanzure> well that's lame. they sign off?
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13:09 < jrayhawk> giving sites access direct access to your DMA-driven video hardware was decided to be less than wise
13:11 <@kanzure> eh?
13:11 <@kanzure> oh, webgl.
13:11 <@kanzure> jrayhawk, don't destroy this exploit opportunity for me
13:12 <@kanzure> actually i haven't seen any malware based on webgl yet
13:15 < jrayhawk> eh, you still have flash and java
13:15 < jrayhawk> and Acrobat
13:16 <@kanzure> and javascript
13:34 < ThomasEgi> and internet explorer with activex
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13:39 <@kanzure> hi cathalgarvey
13:40 <@kanzure> how goes things?
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13:40 < cathalgarvey> Hello!
13:41 < cathalgarvey> Things are chilly
13:41 < cathalgarvey> But a potential nice result in lab warms my heart; will know more tomorrow.
13:41 < cathalgarvey> How's everyone here?
13:42 <@kanzure> it's a bit of a slow day it seems
13:43 < cathalgarvey> Such is life
13:43 <@kanzure> saurik: have you played with http://www.contextis.com/research/tools/canape/ or http://intrepidusgroup.com/insight/mallory/ ever?
13:43 <@kanzure> saurik: lately i like mitmproxy.org but i'm open to alternatives
13:45 < cathalgarvey> Who's to be MITM'd?
13:45 <@kanzure> i poke around at things
13:45 <@kanzure> phones, websites, whatever
13:46 < cathalgarvey> Just amused as I was reading about the TLS handshake process right before joining the channel
13:47 < cathalgarvey> http://www.moserware.com/2009/06/first-few-milliseconds-of-https.html
13:48 <@kanzure> mitmproxy does ssl interception which is fun to play with if you've never done that
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13:55 < cathalgarvey> Oo, this is a nice feature for general wgetting use: http://mitmproxy.org/doc/sticky.html
13:55 < cathalgarvey> Might prove handy in avoiding learning about wget's extensive session features: just use mitmproxy to mimic a cookie-based session?
13:57 <@kanzure> honestly it's easier for me to remember how to use http://python-requests.org/ than arguments for both wget and curl
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14:00 <@kanzure> oh i see. yes -t is pretty neat.
14:03 < cathalgarvey> Cautiously excited by python requests, but trying to determine (as usual) whether it's Py3k compatible..
14:04 < cathalgarvey> Score, it does
14:04 < cathalgarvey> setup.py suggests up to 3.3, which is nice and current
14:04 < cathalgarvey> :)
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14:56 < saurik> kanzure: no. I use sniffit, apache with forged certificates, or if I'm really desparate some custom mitm stuff. in the last few years, however, I consider it a failure if I'm having to MITM the thing, as modifying the application to just dump its traffic to disk is so much easier
14:56 < fenn> mitmproxy looks suspiciously similar to irssi
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14:59 <@kanzure> saurik: neat, thanks. sniffit looks like a node.js thing? https://github.com/creationix/sniffit
14:59 < brownies> some guy is actively trying to XSS exploit my site right now
14:59 < brownies> -_-
14:59 <@kanzure> that guy might be me, lemme check
14:59 <@kanzure> nope
14:59 < brownies> he's failing, of course, but i'm still getting the server error emails
15:00 < brownies> kanzure: nah, i found him on LinkedIn
15:00 <@kanzure> oh you approved of him doing this?
15:00 < brownies> no
15:00 <@kanzure> i would've been happy to deface your site, bro
15:00 < brownies> other way around
15:00 <@kanzure> ah.
15:00 < brownies> he started breaking my site, so i logged in to our admin panel to see if i could deduce who it was
15:00 < brownies> and now i'm looking at his LinkedIn -_-
15:01 < fenn> if he's successful does that mean you're supposed to hire him?
15:01 < brownies> haha. no.
15:05 < saurik> kanzure: no. sniffit is a unix tool that you can probably get by using apt-get install sniffit.
15:06 <@kanzure> oh woops
15:06 <@kanzure> yep there it is
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15:31 < jrayhawk> http://www.reddit.com/r/xss every once in a while i like reading through here and reminding myself to never ever get involved in web programming again
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15:56 < cathalgarvey> TTYL al
15:56 < cathalgarvey> *all
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16:34 < abetusk> evening
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17:49 < brownies> jrayhawk: hey, around?
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17:50 < jrayhawk> probably
17:54 < brownies> jrayhawk: do you have an opinion on those giant buckets o' liquid egg whites products?
18:00 < jrayhawk> They'd need to be well-cooked to get rid of the avidin
18:00 < jrayhawk> And most of the really cool stuff in eggs is in the yolks.
18:01 < jrayhawk> So, not particularly optimal, not particularly dangerous, if treated properly.
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18:16 < brownies> jrayhawk: yeah, i am a fan of the yolks, so missing out on those is a downer
18:16 < brownies> jrayhawk: but i am also just tired of buying tons of eggs, and cracking them, and cooking them... blah
18:17 < brownies> jrayhawk: and, yeah, at least 1 of the 2 products i'm looking at explicitly says they cook them to the point of neutralizing the avidin
18:25 < jrayhawk> oh, so this is solid egg white product, then?
18:25 < jrayhawk> man, a bucket of solid eggwhite sounds like a hilariously disturbing product.
18:26 < jrayhawk> Now I want one.
18:26 < jrayhawk> I can put it next to my five gallon bucket of saturated fat.
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18:43 < yashgaroth> hey does anyone need any butyl resin
18:50 < yashgaroth> ok how about want
18:59 < brownies> jrayhawk: no, it's liqui
19:00 < brownies> jrayhawk: they ship it to you with a pump, like a giant bottle of liquid soap
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21:33 <@kanzure> heath: welcome back
21:33 < heath> kanzure: i know right :)
21:33 <@kanzure> "I need to remove my bottom 30 iq points. Why hasn't anyone thought of this remarkable method of intelligence augmentation before?"
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21:44 <@kanzure> http://www.surveyhistory.org/why_the_midwest_is_square1.htm
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22:24 < heath> http://io9.com/5965524/its-official-aspergers-syndrome-is-no-longer-a-thing
22:28 < heath> reddit .deb app :: http://reditr.com/#!/Download
22:28 <@kanzure> heath: no reddit in here please, thanks.
22:29  * heath meant to send that to his coworkers
22:29 <@kanzure> your coworkers must suck
22:29 < heath> meh
22:30 < heath> reddit's not so bad :: https://github.com/reddit/reddit/wiki/API
22:31 < heath> find some some subreddits you like and fetch the json
22:31 <@kanzure> all of the subreddits are terrible
22:31 < heath> then stop being negative :)
22:31 <@kanzure> nobody has ever shown me evidence that they aren't terrible
22:31 < heath> you're ruining the emperor's groove!
22:32 < joshcryer> reddit is purely for a time sink
22:32 < joshcryer> I'm totally quitting it in 2 weeks
22:32 <@kanzure> all of the redditors: get the fuck out
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22:32 <@kanzure> /kick delinquentme
22:32 <@kanzure> oh good he's already gone
22:32 < joshcryer> dude I was just making an observation
22:32 < joshcryer> my next line was highly critical
22:33 < joshcryer> now you won't get to see it
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22:38 < heath> blurg
22:38 < joshcryer> heath = ybit?!?
22:38 < heath> yerp
22:38  * heath doesn't read reddit?
22:38 < heath> can i kick people who kick people on suspicion?
22:38 < joshcryer> Fuck reddit.
22:39 <@kanzure> joshcryer: too late, mister "1 point 18 minutes ago" http://www.reddit.com/user/joshcryer
22:39 <@kanzure> and mister "1 point 5 days ago" http://www.reddit.com/user/ybit
22:39 <@kanzure> don't lie to me.
22:39 < joshcryer> kanzure, I said I'm quitting in two weeks.
22:39 < joshcryer> It's just killing time.
22:41 < joshcryer> I have learned almost nothing useful posting there.
22:41 < joshcryer> Most posters are highly sensititive autistic-spectrums, I swear.
22:41 < heath> bah
22:41 < heath> it's not useless
22:42 < joshcryer> The transhuman / H+ subs are mostly empty.
22:42 < joshcryer> kanzure will probably kick me again but LessWrong is more useful.
22:43 <@kanzure> stop reading reddit, damn
22:43 <@kanzure> and why would you think "reddit + transhumanism" would be a good idea? that's a terrible idea.
22:43 < joshcryer> I'm stopping damn. :P
22:45 <@kanzure> superkuh: yo this 403s http://erewhon.superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Ultrasound%20Stimulation/ultrasound-piezo/
22:59 < jrayhawk> i actually linked to reddit itself tonight and i totally didn't get kicked
23:00 < jrayhawk> you're going soft, bishop
23:00 < jrayhawk> i don't think you've got what it takes
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23:02 < kanzure> jrayhawk: as long as this 404s i am happy http://www.reddit.com/user/jrayhawk
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