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00:04 < AdrianG> so u ppl pre-ordered leapmotion stuff yet
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07:16 < kanzure> bloop
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07:29 < abetusk> morning
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07:34 < EnLilaSko> Sorry for the DC yesterday kanzure, no idea what was up with my internet
07:35 < kanzure> okay
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08:18 < kanzure> 3ds decapping fundraising project http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Fundraiser
08:19 < kanzure> "To reiterate, what we're trying to do is: send in initially 1 3DS to a professional lab to get delayered and imaged (covering the costs of doing so). The resulting SEM images will be reconstructed and used towards discovering more of the hardware secrets inside the "
08:19 < kanzure> what lab does this?
08:20 < kanzure> http://www.eaglabs.com/about-eag.html
08:47 < kanzure> oh hm i don't remember seeing this
08:47 < kanzure> http://homecmos.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/lithography-tests/labnotes/azonenberg_labnotes.txt
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09:09 < kanzure> "Degate - an open source software for semi-automatic reverse engineering of logic in integrated circuits."
09:10 < kanzure> https://github.com/nitram2342/degate
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10:33 < heath> kanzure: i can't recall the name of the set of terminal tools which, at some point, allowed you to query google
10:34 < heath> would you mind tossing out a few app names?
10:35 < heath> it had support for other services...
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10:38 < kanzure> heath: googlecl
10:38 < heath> looking at that now, but it's not what i was thinking of
10:38 < heath> iirc the developers quit maintaining it...
10:39 < kanzure> yeah, googlecl. developers quit.
10:39 < heath> heh
10:39 < heath> that's not it, i know i learned about it from you, guess i'll have to grep some logs
10:40 < heath> which requires me fetching a few hdds from my car..
10:40 < kanzure> or just http://gnusha.org/logs/
10:40 < kanzure> oh were you displaced by any chance? is that what's going on?
10:41 < heath> i just didn't setup stuff properly
10:45 <@fenn> surfraw?
10:46 < kanzure> does surfraw even work these days?
10:46 <@fenn> doubtful
10:47 <@fenn> kinda sad really, it doesn't take that much to keep it up to date
10:47 <@fenn> huh. apt-get install googlecl
10:47 < kanzure> there's an effort/reward barrier and the reward just isn't high enough to warrant me figuring out how to use sourceforge enough to submit a patch
10:47 < heath> fenn: that's the one
10:47 < heath> heh, i had just found it :)
10:47 < heath> should have stayed in here a little longer
10:48 < heath> found it with this query: browsing the web from command line site:gnusha.org/logs
10:48 < heath> now to find the website which gave you magical commands to do things like whois queries...
10:49 <@fenn> ip-adress.com is usable
10:49 <@fenn> dunno why you'd need a website to do whois queries
10:50 < heath> eh, it allowed you to create aliases for common things you search for..
10:51 <@fenn> like comcast's broken DNS search?
10:52 < heath> yubnub
10:52 < kanzure> what are you, an ewok?
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10:54 <@fenn> wait a minute, googlecl doesn't let you search?!
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11:00 <@fenn> sigh.
11:01 < kanzure> sqlalchemy-migrate is being evil today and is generating python with "<function <lambda> at 0x...>" in it
11:01 < kanzure> that's not vaild python!
11:05 < kanzure> *valid
11:10 < kanzure> "a widespread myth, but steroids are actually not useful for programming or hacking".. damn there goes my plans for "hackers on steroids".
11:11 < jrayhawk> googlecl also doesn't support downloading videos
11:11 < kanzure> oh.. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hackers%20on%20steroids
11:11 <@fenn> is there any evidence to back up that statement?
11:11 <@fenn> (about steroids)
11:11 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i just use it to upload videos
11:11 < kanzure> fenn: to my knowledge no
11:12 < kanzure> ok men we must conduct a science
11:13 < kanzure> as soon as i figure out what the hell counts as a cycle
11:13 <@fenn> we'll take n=100 rats and give half of them steroids, then see which group performs better at a standard programming task
11:13 < jrayhawk> anabolics tend to crash the immune system and testosterone production
11:14 < jrayhawk> leading to really gnarly mood and hormone problems
11:14 < kanzure> well that's why you take a testosterone supplement during your cycles, right?
11:14 < jrayhawk> dicking around with direct hormone replacement generally doesn't work; production is is a complex process that sends off a lot of signals in and of itself.
11:15 < kanzure> damn it where's Stee||| when you need him
11:16 < jrayhawk> or, rather, has a lot of signalling byproducts whose absence will disrupt homeostasis, and you'd essentially need to be psychic to compensate for properly
11:16 <@fenn> good thing steroids also confer supernatural powers of the ethereal sort
11:16 < kanzure> no one said the steroids make them better hackers, they're just hackers who happen to be on steroids too
11:17 < kanzure> oops
11:17 < kanzure> that was supposed to be quoted
11:17 < kanzure> < clone_of_saturn> no one said the steroids make them better hackers, they're just hackers who happen to be on steroids too
11:18 < kanzure> i still think it's lame that joseph jackson didn't use steroids
11:18 < jrayhawk> he might've!
11:19 < kanzure> he claims that he didn't, plus his ocd makes me believe that he really did get compulsive about lifting
11:19 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/user/philosopherbody
11:20 < jrayhawk> Consuming stonking great assloads of IGF-1-heavy milk protein will also grow tissues real fast.
11:21 < jrayhawk> Unfortunately adipose tissues are among them, but those are easy enough to lean back out later.
11:22 < kanzure> i should have injected some of his pics into my presentations during the conferences that he runs
11:22 < jrayhawk> hee
11:22 < kanzure> i'm surprised he doesn't hate me
12:35 < jrayhawk> http://singularityu.org/singularity-university-acquires-the-singularity-summit/
12:36 < kanzure> is this an okay time to release singularity summit's root key
12:36 < jrayhawk> 'some jerk on the internet acquires the singularity summit'
12:36 < kanzure> "As part of the agreement, Singularity University will also acquire the Singularity Institute brand, including the singularity.org domain"
12:37 < kanzure> "The current Singularity Institute organization will continue operations under a new brand to be determined"
12:37 < kanzure> so! siai is dead!
12:37 < kanzure> TIME HEALS ALL WOUNDS
12:37 < jrayhawk> i think it's getting merged into a research role at SU
12:40 < jrayhawk> oh, no, i guess not...? i should actually read that press release
12:43 < kanzure> YEP http://singularity.org/php-bin/people-output.ver.1.txt
12:44 < kanzure> your singularity will not be run by php
12:45 < kanzure> these guys can't even keep their site secured, why would anyone trust them with ai security
12:50 < jrayhawk> there are PHP-based polymorphic worms out there
12:51 < jrayhawk> the PHP ecosystem offers a great opportunity to evolve increasingly sophisticated programs
12:54 <@fenn> did eliezer ever finish his fanfic?
12:54 <@fenn> just kidding i don't care
12:55 < jrayhawk> okay so what you do is build an eliza bot with a database of combined output of shodan, durundal/tycho/cortana, and methods of rationality, and then have it interject at low rate into singinst sites
12:55 <@fenn> cortana?
12:55 <@fenn> "you've got to stop the covenant AI, master chief!"
12:56 < jrayhawk> cortana eventually went rampant, from what i hear
12:56 < jrayhawk> i never really played any of those games, but i assume some of the bungie people remembered how that sort of thing worked from back when they made good games
12:57 < jrayhawk> okay, skip cortana, use the Deus Ex AIs
12:58 <@fenn> guess i prefer marvin the paranoid android
12:58 <@fenn> or various iain banks characters
12:59 < jrayhawk> malevolent takeoff AIs i think are best
12:59 <@fenn> "my schedule today lists a six hour self-accusatory depression."
12:59 < ThomasEgi> marvin ♥
13:02 <@fenn> sometimes it seems like more content has disappeared from the internet than currently exists
13:04 <@fenn> "The pulldown menu, the checkbox, and the bureaucracy-inspired text entry form were invented 25 years ago, desperation devices to counter inadequate technology. They were created for a world that no longer exists."
13:09 <@fenn> with SIAI gone, who will fill the niche of doomsayer? where will the journalists go to get juicy images of annihilation and despair?
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13:12 <@fenn> perhaps the zero state project will step up to the plate
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13:19 < kanzure> all of these people have been emailing me private encouragement in response to that thread of me vs. zero state
13:21 <@fenn> tbh i haven't gotten around to reading about it yet
13:22 < kanzure> it's not that exciting
13:22 < kanzure> you can probably assume what i said
13:22 < kanzure> zero state guy: blah blah blah a new community hub for transhumanists
13:22 < kanzure> me: kdfjljasdkfjaddkasfjkad;flajdfjaskl;dfas
13:22 < kanzure> zero state guy: oh so you hate artists?
13:22 < kanzure> me: jkdlfajdfaldfkjakdfjakdfkajda
13:24 <@fenn> they seem to be conflating "old transhimanism" with some kind of state/corporate agenda? i'm not sure where that idea came from
13:24 <@fenn> " Part of the problem with Transhumanism has been an overly formal, hierarchical structure, involving specific rules for membership," really? like, joining a mailing list?
13:25 <@fenn> what the hell is he talking about?
13:25 < kanzure> no idea dude
13:26 <@fenn> also, for advocating "technology" they're extremely vague about what technolgies they advocate
13:27 < kanzure> vageuon particle accelerator
13:27 <@fenn> horse and buggy? helium fusion? trusted computing? who knows
13:27 < kanzure> maybe it's a grab bag
13:27 < kanzure> "grab bag transhumanism"
13:29 <@fenn> it is all so political and non-technical i just am not interested at all
13:29 <@fenn> "think tank" really?
13:30 <@fenn> it's like some hilarious parody of the republican party
13:30 <@fenn> okay maybe that went too far
13:31 <@fenn> but "Consensus of Democratic Futurist Parties", and they can't even make the webpage work
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13:42 < kanzure> what's wrong with their webpage?
13:42 < kanzure> besides not saying anything
13:46 <@fenn> oh just a bad link
13:46 < kanzure> http://tetrad.org/
13:47 < kanzure> what "consultancy regarding positive technological change"
13:47 < kanzure> god why do things have to be so awful arrrrghhh
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13:57 <@fenn> "A finely-tuned mergesort is available with the word “sort,” and even more finely-tuned hashing algorithms require just a pair of brackets. Until machine learning is as accessible and effortless as typing the word “learn,” it will never become widespread."
14:02 < kanzure> i should probably do more Go things
14:02 < kanzure> i mean, go-lang
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14:06 <@fenn> " I see a generation of users wasting their lives pointing, clicking, dragging, typing, as gigahertz processors spin idly and gigabyte memories remember nothing. I see machines, machines, machines!"
14:06 < kanzure> what's wrong with typing?
14:06 < kanzure> and why would processors spin??
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14:08 <@fenn> the idea is prediction can be accomplished with zero user input
14:08 < kanzure> i still haven't mastered plover
14:08 <@fenn> i haven't even started
14:08 < kanzure> did anyone notice that dasher is installed by default in debian wheezy?
14:08 <@fenn> meh
14:09 < kanzure> sorta useless for most users i imagine
14:09 <@fenn> it's great if you have no arms or legs
14:09 <@fenn> personally i'm not so into predictive interfaces
14:10 <@fenn> i think raskin is (was?) on the right track
14:10 < kanzure> if your typing something that can be predicted so easily, perhaps that should be factored out of your routine anyway
14:10 <@fenn> well, that was the point
14:10 < kanzure> and why would processors spin??e
14:11 < kanzure> *you'r
14:11 < kanzure> how'd that e get up there
14:11 <@fenn> well, what else would they do?
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14:11 <@fenn> vibrate?
14:11 <@fenn> twinkle?
14:11 < kanzure> yes the quartz clock vibrates
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14:12 < kanzure> or.. resonates
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19:44 < kanzure> yashgaroth: hi
19:44 < yashgaroth> yo
19:45 < kanzure> i am getting HDPE spam
19:45 < kanzure> i am so confused whether or not i should 'mark as spam'
19:46 < yashgaroth> high density polyethylene?
19:46 < kanzure> yes
19:46 < yashgaroth> yeah that's a conundrum
19:46 < yashgaroth> brb
19:46 < kanzure> in general, i am happy to support the trend of spam that is actually about stuff i might need
19:46 < kanzure> but, it's still spam
19:48 < joshcryer> you might be lucky and be able to unsub...
19:49 < kanzure> nope no unsubscribe link
19:51 < joshcryer> if there's no unsub link I trash 'em, fuckers
19:51 < joshcryer> generally if it's something interesting I'll keep one mail, trash the rest, and unsub
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20:09 < abetusk> evening all
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22:03 < kanzure> nmz787: hi
22:03 < kanzure> oh. ping timeout.
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