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01:32 < joshcryer> Basalt makes a nice concrete replacement.
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02:53 < delinquentme> <3 MORNING
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07:05 <@kanzure> where did the fake google scholar papers guy go? he had been recompiling latex and inserting fake references.
07:05 <@kanzure> and his results don't seem to show up anymore?
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08:02 <@kanzure> http://www.rsc.org/AboutUs/News/PressReleases/2012/RSC-acquires-Merck-Index.asp
08:02 <@kanzure> "The famous "bible" of chemistry, The Merck Index, is to join the highly acclaimed publishing portfolio of the Royal Society of Chemistry."
09:02 <@fenn> i thought the "bible of chemistry" was the crc handbook
09:02 <@fenn> perhaps the merck index is the new testament
09:03 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merck_Index
09:03 <@kanzure> "The Merck Index is also available by subscription in an electronic searchable form, commonly carried by research libraries, as well as in a web-accessible form."
09:03 <@kanzure> oh so now there's an "electronic searchable form" and a "web-accessible form"... wtf.
09:04 <@kanzure> "It contains more than 10,000 monographs, 27 supplemental tables, 450 Organic Name Reactions, and now includes a companion CD!" oh boy a CD?!
09:08 <@fenn> well let's see what's on it http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7520594/The_Merck_Index_13.1_CD
09:11 < Mariu> CD lol
09:28 <@fenn> hey man 693 MB is a lot of tables
09:29 <@fenn> but i bet it's poorly scanned pdf's of the book
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09:31 < ArmilusDajjal> now includes a compainon cd
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09:48 <@fenn> i wonder where one can get all this data without having to OCR some stupid scanned in tables
09:50 <@fenn> even if it's in text, it's still just a PDF, there's no structure to the data, only layout
09:50 <@kanzure> these databases are available through paywalls at universities
09:50 <@kanzure> there are many proprietary databases just sitting there with all this info
09:54 <@fenn> what is the interface like? can you do real API queries or is it just some web form?
09:54 <@kanzure> web forms
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11:16 < archels> so we've all seen this 1-pixel contact lense display, right? http://bit.ly/VpH2gL
11:17 < archels> how could you ever actually focus your eye to that?
11:17 < chris_99> oooh
11:17 < chris_99> funky
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11:18 < kirka> Hi
11:18 < chris_99> yo.  The resolution of that seems quite nice
11:19 < kirka> Are you Chris Phoenix?
11:19 < chris_99> alas not
11:20 < kirka> Ah, ok
11:20 < archels> chris_99: but how could that ever work without any intervening optics?
11:20 < chris_99> yeah i'm not sure about that either, i see what you mean about focussing
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11:26 < delinquentme> Has anyone sat down and taken inventory of the qualities they look for in someone who manages them?
11:26 < delinquentme> specifically the relationship to power versus passion?
11:26 <@kanzure> what do you mean versus
11:26 <@kanzure> what
11:26 < delinquentme> like would you prefer one over another?
11:27 <@kanzure> neither of those two things matter to me
11:27 < delinquentme> like I'm okay working in my current spot bc this person clearly has more power than my previous employer
11:27 < delinquentme> ( at least I think )
11:27 < delinquentme> but the other dude didn't even have passion
11:27 <@kanzure> who cares how much he passion he claims to have
11:27 <@kanzure> *much passion
11:27 <@kanzure> he can claim zero or a million and still be wrong either way
11:28 <@kanzure> have you read the valve management handbook?
11:29 < kirka> kanzure Hi, I have digged old nanotech CADS (Will Ware's NanoCAD and Crystal Clear)
11:29 < archels> ftp://ftp.turingbirds.com/misc/Valve%20Handbook%20for%20New%20Employees.pdf
11:29 < kirka> Will Ware was on the right track with Common lisp and Scheme.
11:29 <@kanzure> kirka: i already told you weeks ago that chris_99 is not chris phoenix..
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11:30 < kirka> kanzure I wanted to be sure, heh (and maybe I misunderstood you a little then)
11:32 < delinquentme> kanzure, no but I value passion highly so I think I might already disagree
11:32 <@kanzure> passion can be faked, why would you value that?
11:32 <@kanzure> how about valuing results
11:33 < delinquentme> kanzure, perhaps
11:33 < delinquentme> and results are unquestionable
11:33 <@kanzure> they are?
11:34 < kirka> kanzure Don't you know any forum on MNT? (I have searched but haven't found anything. Seems that some people from sci.nanotech would like to have such a forum)
11:35 <@kanzure> kirka: eugen leitl keeps some nanotech people around on his transhuman-tech mailing list
11:35 < kirka> Thanks, I'll look
11:35 <@kanzure> mems-talk does slightly-larger-than nano stuff.
11:35 <@kanzure> and nanoengineer-dev is the only one with software developers
11:35 < kirka> It's strange that there isn't much technical discussion on MNT on the net.
11:36 <@kanzure> that's because they keep publishing their discussions in proprietary academic journals that nobody has access to
11:36 < kirka> Yes, I don't like paywalls
11:36 < kirka> Actually, there is one good paper
11:36 < kirka> http://phys.org/news/2012-11-artificial-ion-channels-dna-origami.html
11:37 < kirka> I think that's breakthrough
11:38 < archels> http://synapses.clm.utexas.edu/learn/visualize/serial.stm
11:38 < archels> man, we were this far in 2002?
11:38 < kirka> kanzure But IMM, Freitas & co publish their papers freely. I think there must be another reason for lack of interest in MNT.
11:38 < kirka> Maybe people are just tired
11:38 <@kanzure> freitas is not evidence of a lack of interest
11:39 < kirka> Yes, quite the opposite
11:39 < kirka> But he, Merkle and people affilated with anofactory collaboration is, maybe, 20 or 30 men
11:43 < kirka> Today's scientific community seems largely ignorant of mechanosythesis
11:43 < kirka> I have asked some physics students
11:43 < kirka> And even two students that study "nanotechnology"
11:44 < kirka> Nobody haven't heard about mechanosynthesis
11:44 < kirka> And it's difficult for them to understand the concepts' utility
11:46 < kirka> My sample could be small, something like ten people
11:46 < kirka> But anyway.
11:46 <@fenn> archels: the contact has a microlens array built in to focus (demagnify) the LED
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11:47 < kirka> Does anybody have acces to this paper? http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1225624
11:47 < kirka> It's cool
11:48 <@fenn> lols "some people from sci.nanotech would like to have a MNT forum"
11:48 <@fenn> that is just so sad
11:48 < kirka> fenn Yes
11:48 < kirka> sci.nanotech dies
11:48 < kirka> ANd what's more frightening the very idea of MNT seems dying
11:48 <@fenn> it's a conspiracy! time lords from the ulterior dimension have reorchestrated congress!!1
11:49 < kirka> You know, I have talked to students and they haven't heard about it
11:49 < kirka> They have heard about "nanotechnology", maybe "nanobots" (what a bad word)
11:50 <@fenn> every time i talk to anyone either they gush uncontrollably or it's all eye-rolling 'been there done that, so over it'
11:50 <@fenn> but really the field was never given a chance
11:51 < kirka> Well, I have hope and I can help a little. With software for example.
11:51 < kirka> Actually, I think there should be a forum, devoted to MNT.
11:52 <@fenn> what i think really needs to happen is for a large company such as IBM to throw some serious investment into studying the mechanosynthetic reactions themselves
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11:52 < kirka> Yes, I agree with you
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11:52 <@fenn> sure it will all be patent encumbered for eternity, but at least it would happen
11:52 <@fenn> and if they have all the patents in one place it's not a minefield
11:53 < kirka> This grant is already good: http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/NGBOViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/G007837/1
11:53 <@fenn> wouldn't it suck if humanity knew how to place carbon and remove the hydrogen groups but no one company were legally allowed to do both reactions?
11:53 < kirka> And Zyvex makes progress
11:53 <@fenn> zyvex is still functioning?
11:54 < kirka> >no one company were legally allowed
11:54 < kirka> That's uncontrollable on global scale
11:54 < kirka> Yes
11:55 <@fenn> in that grant, why is room-temperature capability important?
11:56 < kirka> I don't knoe
11:56 < kirka> *know
11:56 < kirka> Look http://www.psma.com/sites/default/files/uploads/tech-forums-nanotechnology/presentations/2011-apec-sp-141-nanotechnology-about-nano-precision.pdf
11:56 < kirka> Zyvex has some success with PALE
11:56 < kirka> It's "unpublished"
11:56 <@fenn> lame
11:59 <@kanzure> kirka: foresight.org runs yearly in-person conferences, you should pester them to record them and post them online
11:59 <@fenn> i'm here to tell you that "one micron" is not "normal precision machining"
11:59 < kirka> Micromachining isn't interesting
11:59 < kirka> kanzure I'll think about it (and try)
12:00 < kirka> Look at H depassivation
12:00 <@kanzure> and nanoengineer-dev is the only one with software developershown 4
12:00 <@kanzure> oops
12:00 <@kanzure> ignore
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12:01 <@fenn> it should be possible to machine blocks to small enough that they contain discernable numbers of atoms; then you sort the blocks (try not to let them stick together) and assemble the ones with the correct dimensions
12:01 < kirka> Oh Hi
12:01 < eudoxia> hey kirka
12:01 < kirka> eudoxia Look at log, we discussed MNT here
12:01 < eudoxia> yeah i was just reading thsat
12:01 <@fenn> hooray for us :\
12:02 < kirka> Actually, if you want to discuss something, mail me
12:02 < kirka> My email is on the github
12:02 < eudoxia> kirka congratulations you are the second person to know crystal clear exists
12:02 < kirka> Heh
12:02 < eudoxia> s/know/find out
12:02 < kirka> Look at github, I have revived nanocad
12:02 < eudoxia> actually i think i told kanzure about that
12:02 < eudoxia> and i saw your new repo
12:02 < kirka> I found out by mysle
12:02 < eudoxia> i initially thought you were going to roll your own nanoengineer
12:03 <@kanzure> nanocad.git has none of his revision history
12:03 < kirka> I have read old mailing lists about NanoCAD development
12:03 < kirka> kanzure Yes, I have downloaded archive
12:03 <@kanzure> what is README.txt.bak for?
12:03 < kirka> It's his software, I just created backup
12:03 < kirka> That's artifact
12:03 < kirka> I'll remove that later
12:04 < kirka> You are so perfectionist~
12:04 <@kanzure> yes
12:04 <@fenn> he wasn't always that way
12:05 <@kanzure> i got hit in the head by a radioactive meteorite
12:05 < Mariu> lol
12:05 < kirka> kanzure You seemed more enthusiastic about MNT in 2009 (I hav read some logs). Do you think that synthetic biology is more real alternative (for now) ?
12:06 < eudoxia> these days i just stay out of archived late nineties mnt discussions because it's so depressing
12:06 < eudoxia> so depressing
12:06 <@kanzure> kirka: why do you say i was more enthusiastic?
12:06 < kirka> eudoxia Well, the very thing that we know about it (and we are young) means that there is hope.
12:06 <@kanzure> synthetic biology is not mnt, i don't know who told you that
12:07 < kirka> kanzure I just  get that feeling when I read logs. Maybe I'm mistaken.
12:07 <@kanzure> you are mistaken.
12:07 < kirka> Of course
12:07 < kirka> But synthetic biology is an approach for creating working molecular machinery
12:07 <@kanzure> uh, i guess.
12:07 <@kanzure> if your goal is to produce proteins, yes, biology is useful
12:08 <@fenn> i agree on this point. the confusing part is that proteins were evolved, not designed, so people think they must be floppy and weird
12:08 < kirka> Yes, proteins and enzymes
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12:08 <@kanzure> fenn: well, i haven't seen a cuboid protein
12:08 < kirka> My goal is to use them for productive work
12:08 <@fenn> recent designed proteins have very high denaturation temperatures, because they aren't teetering on the edge of catastrophe (in the catastrophe theory sense)
12:09 < kirka> E.g. grow good polymer for some application
12:09 <@fenn> this is in fact eric drexler's current stance
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12:09 <@kanzure> kirka: are you trying to say that because i know biology things, i must therefore be less enthusiastic about carbon placement?
12:09 <@fenn> that "nanotech" engineers should be pursuing protein design
12:09 <@kanzure> no, i don't think kirka thinks that
12:09 < kirka> fenn Yes, and he is probably right
12:10 <@kanzure> welp nevermind
12:10 < kirka> I like mechanics, yes
12:10 <@kanzure> kirka: you are an enigma wrapped in an enigma
12:10 <@fenn> an enzyme wrapped in a eudoxia
12:10 < kirka> But if it's impossible for now, we'll have to use other approaches
12:10 < kirka> Hehe
12:10 < eudoxia> hahaha what
12:10 <@fenn> sorry
12:11 < eudoxia> sometimes i think i have DID and kirka is one of my multiple personalities
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12:12 < kirka> eudoxia Same think
12:12 < eudoxia> <3
12:12 < kirka> *thing
12:12 < kirka> eudoxia It may be generational thing
12:12 < kirka> Common information medium, etc
12:13 <@kanzure> fenn: anyway, where's my cubic protein
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12:13 < kirka> This special purpose cluster could greatly help in protein design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_(computer)
12:14 <@fenn> er.. it was mentioned in here a couple weeks ago
12:14 < kirka> I have read about it's architecture
12:14 <@fenn> how do i get grep to return irc log results in chronological order?
12:14 <@kanzure> clusters only help once you have software, what software are you thinking of
12:14 < kirka> It's interesting, very high MIPS/mm^2
12:15 <@kanzure> fenn: grep -r whatever 2012* | tac
12:15 <@kanzure> erm, -r was not necessary
12:15 <@fenn> tac?
12:15 <@kanzure> backwards cat
12:15 < kirka> kanzure This cluster is composed of ASICS that are designed to run very high performance MM calculations (to the point of 7, 18 bit adders inside, etc)
12:15 <@kanzure> which MM calculations
12:15 < eudoxia> that's actually a thing
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12:15 < kirka> It's usefule for verification
12:16 < kirka> MD
12:16 <@kanzure> which MD calculations -_-
12:16 < kirka> It's customizable to some extent
12:16 <@kanzure> they are ASICs.
12:16 < kirka> Thay have CPU and accelerators inside
12:16 < eudoxia> i think kanz is asking whether it's ab-initio or md
12:16 <@kanzure> which MD algorithms are implemented on these ASICs
12:17 < kirka> Hmph, they didn't say that or I didn't look carefully
12:17 < kirka> http://www-micrel.deis.unibo.it/~benini/files/MD/AntonCommACM08.pdf
12:17 <@kanzure> maybe they are lying
12:19 <@kanzure> "rate-limited interactions and performs charge spreading and force interpolation"
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12:20 < kirka> Yes, they don't mention specific force fields
12:20 < kirka> Ah, that's what you mean by "algorithm"
12:20 <@fenn> ah here we go: http://www.nature.com/news/proteins-made-to-order-1.11767  koga and koga et al.
12:20 <@kanzure> "and is capable of computing the combined electrostatic and van der Waals interactions between a pair of atoms at every cycle. This 26-stage pipeline includes adders, multipliers, function evaluation units, and other specialized datapath elements."
12:21 <@fenn> i would settle for a dodecahedral protein
12:21 <@kanzure> how about anything regular
12:22 < kirka> Yes, long range is calculated Particle mesh Ewald and pair-pair interactions are computed directly
12:22 <@kanzure> okay
12:22 <@fenn> is a flat sheet not regular enough?
12:23 < kirka> Again, I don't understand why I do not hear about this machine often
12:23 < kirka> Millisecond runtimes witout larges supercomputer is very cool
12:23 < kirka> *largest
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12:24 <@kanzure> fenn: probably breaks too easily if you're thinking of graphene?
12:24 <@fenn> not graphene, beta pleated sheets
12:25 <@fenn> you know, it's rather surprising nobody has made a cubic protein yet
12:25 <@kanzure> what about virus capsids? are any of those cube-like?
12:25 < kirka> * Dreams of enzyme that catalyses growth of strong fiber
12:25 <@fenn> no, but they're almost always regular or snub polyhedra
12:26 <@fenn> cubes just aren't energetically favorable
12:26 < Cat4D> has anyone bothered to make a tzolkin or long count calendar for this week's solstice? http://www.maya3d.mobi is close but there are 5 gear rings.
12:27 <@kanzure> maybe the dna origami pimps have done a cube
12:27 < kirka> eudoxia You know Will Ware wrote first versions of NanoCAD in common lisp (and/or scheme)
12:27 < eudoxia> i thought it was a java applet
12:27 <@fenn> yes they have done many cube-based structures (including cubes)
12:28 <@kanzure> eudoxia: scheme can be compiled to run on the jvm
12:28 < kirka> eudoxia Then he switched to java, because tehre wasn't much lispers
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12:28 < eudoxia> when was this again?
12:28 < kirka> * digs archives
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12:29 < kirka> http://web.archive.org/web/20010417203831/http://discuss.foresight.org/~pcm/nanocad/date.html#95
12:29 <@kanzure> having read wware's python contributions to nanoengineer, i'm not convinced that guy knows how to write software
12:29 < kirka> * feels like cyberarchaeologist
12:29 < kirka> kanzure Maybe, I don't know
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12:30 <@kanzure> welcome back brownies_
12:30 <@kanzure> fenn: dna origami cubes are probably terrible... "yeah let's pick the one material that has to constantly replicate itself to maintain any sort of integrity"
12:30 < kirka> kanzure What do you think about DNA-origami ion channel?
12:31 < brownies_> what the fuck?
12:31 <@kanzure> haven't read that paper yet
12:31 < kirka> Ah
12:31 < kirka> If you'll get it, I'd like to read it too.
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12:32 < kirka> eudoxia I was very small when they wrote that software
12:32 < eudoxia> does it say what guy he used?
12:33 < kirka> MrEd probably
12:33 < eudoxia> i was one year old
12:33 < eudoxia> actually not even that
12:33 < kirka> I was two years old
12:34 < kirka> Actually, I'd do the same representation http://web.archive.org/web/20010420225736/http://discuss.foresight.org/~pcm/nanocad/0019.html
12:34 < kirka> At least for prototype.
12:34 <@fenn> kanzure: actually dna is very stable, it just doesn't have any cool functional groups
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12:34 < eudoxia> http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/graphics-GUI.html#MrEd
12:34 < eudoxia> http://web.archive.org/web/19980123100842/http://www.cs.rice.edu/CS/PLT/packages/mred/index.html
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12:35 < kirka> Yes
12:35 <@kanzure> fenn: it doesn't even last 1M years, how is that stable
12:35 < kirka> I'm using Racket extensively for some time
12:35 < eudoxia> holy fuck that is old
12:35 < kirka> It runs inverse kinematics in my robot, and operates with binary decision diagrams
12:36 < kirka> Racket is good for prototyping, it's JIT-compiled
12:36 < kirka> And has extensive library
12:38 <@fenn> kanzure: lasts longer than teh interwebz
12:38 <@fenn> DNA NANOTECHNOLOGY: MORE STABLE THAN A LISP INTERPRETER
12:39 < kirka> Hehe
12:39 < eudoxia> certainly lasts longer than most files online
12:39 <@fenn> man i really hate archive.org's new interface
12:39 < eudoxia> and mind you fenn some lisp interpreters have been up for years
12:40 < eudoxia> in space and what have youy
12:40 < kirka> And some are run at sapce
12:40 <@kanzure> archive.org's index page for files takes forever to load thanks to all of the javascript
12:40 <@kanzure> it forces the page to finish loading before the javascript is done, so you can't do anything
12:40 <@fenn> yes i'm a big fan of lisp scheme etc
12:40 <@kanzure> but if you wget the index page it's actually easier to navigate
12:40 < kirka> And I have heard about common lisp system running for ten years
12:40 <@kanzure> you don't even have to click "next" after 10 items.
12:41 < eudoxia> Deep Space 1 is apparently still running
12:41 < eudoxia> how about that
12:41 < kirka> Well, about MNT:
12:41 < kirka> There should be a forum
12:41 <@kanzure> fuck forums
12:41 <@kanzure> no
12:41 <@kanzure> absolutely not
12:41 < kirka> What then?
12:41 < emancipate> space?
12:41 < emancipate> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd7FZkT9Y_s&feature=plcp live now
12:41 < kirka> Blog?
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12:41 <@kanzure> there are already tons of awful blogs, i don't see the benefit of another one
12:42 <@fenn> oh, does "forum" mean phpbb-type software?
12:42 <@kanzure> yes
12:42 < kirka> I'm actually writing article in russian about MNT
12:42 < kirka> But that's not it
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12:42 < eudoxia> i should learn a few more languages
12:42 <@fenn> ah i had interpreted "sci.nanotech wants a MNT forum" to mean they weren't allowed/encouraged to talk about MNT there
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12:43 <@kanzure> kirka: how about using diyhpl.us/wiki as a wiki, and continuing to use the irc channel
12:43 < eudoxia> no use wiki.transhumani.com
12:43 <@kanzure> sigh
12:43 < kirka> kanzure It's ok, but does it have a large impact?
12:43 <@fenn> no use fennetic.net/machines/ !!
12:44 < kirka> fenn Bookmarked
12:44 <@kanzure> machines/ is not git controlled, shame on you fenn
12:44 <@fenn> sorry nothing about nanotech there either :P
12:44 < kirka> http://fennetic.net/machines/hexapod.html :3
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12:44 < kirka> I have walking hexapod
12:44 <@fenn> jrayhawk won't let me run php
12:44 <@kanzure> fenn: i installed php in a chroot if you want to do that
12:45 <@kanzure> but really, i don't think mediawiki is a good idea
12:45 <@fenn> no, it's abandonware
12:45 <@fenn> oh, this is pukiwiki, not mediawiki
12:45 <@kanzure> i was responding about the other link
12:45 <@fenn> my brain isn't working right lately
12:46 < kirka> I thank that there should be more students inspired to become sciencists and contribute to MNT
12:46 <@kanzure> one topic at a time kirka
12:46 < kirka> *think
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12:46 < kirka> That's one topic
12:46 < jrayhawk> it's true, i am indeed a cruel and vicious monster
12:46 <@kanzure> how about instead of a forum, you just continue talking with people in here
12:46 < kirka> It's ok, but there is a few
12:46 <@fenn> let's petition congress to create a fund for research development and promotion of nanotechnology ... oh wait
12:46 <@kanzure> although, i do think pestering foresight.org to post their videos would be useful
12:46 < nmz787> when XCOM0 is a grep command, then there is this if if [ -n "$XCOM0" ] || [ ! "$XCOM0" = "" ]; then echo $XCOM1
12:46 < kirka> I think we need some good articles
12:46 < nmz787> what is the -n
12:47 < eudoxia> haha fenn that's not funny :(
12:47 < nmz787> i need some good particles
12:47 < kirka> The http://thenanoage.com/ isn't that bad, but should be better
12:47 < jrayhawk> nmz787: man test
12:47 < jrayhawk> or man \[
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12:47 < kirka> kanzure I'll write that down, about foresight
12:47 < nmz787> jrayhawk: I know I'm a man
12:47 <@kanzure> nmz787: -n is "True if FILE exists and has been modified since it was last read."
12:47 <@kanzure> nmz787: no he was telling you to type "man test"
12:47 < nmz787> hmm
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12:47 < nmz787> yes i know
12:47 < nmz787> :D
12:48 < nmz787> i was joke
12:48 <@kanzure> how original..
12:48 <@kanzure> ok
12:48 < jrayhawk> actually -n is 'the length of STRING is nonzero'
12:48 < nmz787> that makes more sense
12:48 <@kanzure> ah i see that now
12:48 < nmz787> so is there any benefit for if [ -n "$XCOM0" ] || [ ! "$XCOM0" = "" ]; then
12:49 < nmz787> having the two cases
12:49 <@kanzure> kirka: the other thing that i'm disappointed abouti s the lack of continued contributions to nanoengineer from the original development team
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12:49 <@kanzure> kirka: what has drexler been doing exactly? why doesn't he publish his software?
12:49 < kirka> kanzure Yes, that's sad
12:49 <@kanzure> they are a bunch of jerks anyway..
12:49 < kirka> kanzure He isn't a programmer as far as I know
12:49 <@kanzure> nanoengineer needs to be split into separate python modules without the gui
12:49 < kirka> Yes
12:49 < kirka> I agree
12:50 <@kanzure> "import nanoengineer" doesn't really work, except in the non-gui branch. but that's because i used mocks.
12:50 < kirka> ACtually, being honest, I'm already developing architecture for simple molecular CAD, UHV-nanotech oriented.
12:50 <@kanzure> you already told us
12:50 <@kanzure> i didn't forget
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12:50 < kirka> Ah, ok
12:51 < nmz787> kirka:
12:51 < nmz787> kirka: cool
12:51 < kirka> I'll have time for that after january 15th
12:51 < nmz787> kirka: why have we only talked about CNC before?
12:51 < kirka> I think minimal cad won't be larger than 2k lisp lines of code
12:51 <@fenn> does everyone re-use those same atom scale gear animations?
12:52 <@kanzure> fenn: yes
12:52 <@kanzure> fenn: sad isn't it
12:52 < kirka> nmz787 I have some interest in CNC, there is some stepper motor graveyard in my home, heh
12:52 <@fenn> somehow it seems more "real" by leaving in the thermal noise artifacts (which should be blurred out on the gear rotation timescale)
12:52 < kirka> ACtually, these gears are very far into the future
12:52 < kirka> You know this fo course
12:53 <@fenn> yeah, i'll be impressed if we can make carbon anything
12:53 < kirka> Just manufacturing diamond strained shell bearing won't be easy
12:53 < nmz787> "once upon a time people thought they could make atomic gears"
12:53 < kirka> I'm thinking about minimal prt sets
12:53 < eudoxia> i'm waiting for an ab-initio simulation of those gears
12:53 < jrayhawk> I can slap up vhosts reasonably easily for Sympa, which is a sort of web forum/mailing list hybrid
12:53 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i don't think these people will like sympa, to be honest
12:53 < kirka> eudoxia Yes, that'd be interesting
12:53 < eudoxia> i mean even freitas and merkle have admitted they have only done MDs and don't know if there will be mechanosynthethic reactions between the gears
12:53 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: the reason they want forums is because they are familiar with those layouts, and i don't really want to mod sympa for that
12:54 <@fenn> i think people prefer forums because they can be divided up into sub-forums
12:54 <@fenn> and of course the web browsing aspect
12:54 <@kanzure> people prefer forums because they don't know how to use email
12:54 <@fenn> yeah, that's that i meant
12:55 <@fenn> fuck why did wave have to die
12:55 <@fenn> now we're stuck with phpbb for eternity
12:55 < kirka> There is a lot of black boxes in Nanosystems
12:55 < eudoxia> i don't even know how to use mailinglists
12:55 <@kanzure> no we're stuck with phpbb, disqus, discuz, ikonboard, invisionboard, infopop, ubb, vbulletin, smf, and a million other shitty things.
12:55 < kirka> I think that it would be useful to design and analyse additional simple  components
12:56 < kirka> Rod logic element for example (springs, etc aren't obvious)
12:56 <@kanzure> fenn: also there's a community-supported version of wave somewhere
12:56 < kirka> And method of manufacturing for rods
12:56 < kirka> How do we "tear" rod from substrate?
12:56 < kirka> That bugs me
12:56 <@fenn> the sticky fingers problem?
12:56 < eudoxia> dude kirka
12:57 < eudoxia> build things on a germanium layer
12:57 < eudoxia> that is etched away
12:57 < kirka> That's not bad
12:57 <@fenn> are rods built separate from the mechanism, or built in place like a 3d printer?
12:57 < kirka> So the first dimers will be held in place by non-covalent  forces?
12:58  * fenn hasn't actually read nanosystems
12:58 < kirka> fenn Probably separate
12:58 < kirka> But it isn't described there
12:59 < kirka> >etched away
12:59 < kirka> eudoxia SO there should be separate tool for adding dimer to Ge surface?
13:00 < eudoxia> i was thinking PALE
13:00 < eudoxia> at least for an initial layer
13:00 < kirka> Aha, that's another story.
13:00 < eudoxia> you are rigth: the dimer tools have Ge behind the dimers, they only work for depositing the dimers on C surfaces
13:01 < kirka> Something weaker than Ge
13:01 < kirka> Si
13:01 < eudoxia> otherwise it's Ge on both sides and that will fuck up the error rates
13:01 < kirka> But it won't be reliable
13:01 < eudoxia> we're running out of Group IV kirka
13:01 < kirka> And etching isn't allowed in mechanosynthesis
13:01 < kirka> Hehe
13:01 < eudoxia> next down is lead i think
13:01 < jrayhawk> sympa is pretty low investment for us and has a lot of desirable characteristics, so we don't really need to speculate about its suboptimalities, we can just build it and see if people come
13:02 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: okay fine
13:02 < kirka> jeayhawk Are you talking about some bbs-line engine?
13:02 < jrayhawk> what do those words even mean
13:03 <@kanzure> hahah
13:03 < kirka> Sorry, a lot of typos
13:03 < kirka> bbs-like of course
13:03 <@kanzure> depends on what you mean by bbs... if you consider newsgroups and mailing lists and forums to be bbs like, then anything is possible
13:04 < kirka> eudoxia I was wrong with Si, maybe Sn would do it.
13:04 < jrayhawk> well, you can telnet into port 80 and pretend you're using a really ugly BBS
13:04 < jrayhawk> really ugly, really tedious BBS
13:04 < kirka> New generation uses imageboards, heh
13:04 <@kanzure> not really
13:05 < jrayhawk> clearly i should embed ANSI art in HTML comments for people who try to do that.
13:05 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: also, the chinese call php forums (like 'discuz' (not 'disqus')) bbs
13:05 < jrayhawk> ah
13:05 <@kanzure> so that complicates things
13:06 < jrayhawk> if you don't mind me hijacking the entire local part namespace for diyhpl.us, you can MX it over to mail.svcs.cs.pdx.edu
13:06 <@fenn> is there some kind of meta forum scraper interface so i can read forum posts from a command line?
13:07 < jrayhawk> they often have RSS/Atom feeds
13:07 < kirka> eudoxia Well, I think it'll be very useful to analyze these questions. And design some structures for manufacturability.
13:07 <@kanzure> fenn: there's boardreader and rss stuff, but you can't reply by rss and boardreader doesn't have a cli ui
13:07 <@fenn> jrayhawk: but that's only recent posts right? typically i want to read threads that are years old
13:07 <@kanzure> man why isn't cli ui called clui ("they haven't got a clui")
13:07 <@kanzure> fenn: nope doesn't exist.
13:07 < jrayhawk> RSS interfaces are often parameterized. "?past=100000" or some such
13:07 <@kanzure> i wrote a common api to interact with forums like that, but it was primarily for spamming purposes
13:08 < eudoxia> kirka did you make that thread on /sci/
13:08  * kirka so embarassing
13:08 <@kanzure> so you two are 4channers
13:08 <@kanzure> nanofags?
13:08 < kirka> I haven't read 4chan for years
13:08 <@kanzure> let's see.. which thread is he talking about http://boards.4chan.org/sci/
13:08 < kirka> Actually I think that /scis's intelelctual level is quite low
13:09 < eudoxia> i know
13:09 < eudoxia> https://boards.4chan.org/sci/res/5345644
13:09 < kirka> I think that if somebody downloads the book and will read that a little, that'll be a good thing
13:09 <@kanzure> btw, pmetzger made a nanotech facebook group that he wanted to be high quality
13:09 <@kanzure> but sadly the only contribution was my post on nanoengineer
13:09 <@kanzure> so i'm pretty sure perry failed at his mission
13:10 < kirka> On one russian imageboard I had something like 80 downloads
13:10 < jrayhawk> haha "facebook" "high quality"
13:10 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: yes i agree
13:10 <@kanzure> but hey, i was being friendly and helped him out
13:10 < kirka> I don't have accounts in any social networks (irrational feelings towards data mining)
13:10 <@kanzure> pretty weird for someone who just suggested a forum
13:11 <@fenn> 4chan is about as anonymous as you can get without resorting to tor
13:11 <@kanzure> also, this is the second time in the last 48 hours someone has linked me to my github repos
13:11 < kirka> Forums are perceived as something "oldschool" these days
13:11 <@kanzure> someone else posted a link to my github account in /vp/
13:11 < jrayhawk> alternatively lists.diyhpl.us would work, if you want less namespace pollution
13:12 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: oh sorry, i meant to reply to you, uh
13:12 <@kanzure> it would be nice if i could have access to my mailbox from gnusha/bryan.svcs.cs.pdx.edu
13:12 <@kanzure> if that's still the case then go for it with the MX record changes
13:12 <@kanzure> there's nothing important in the current mailbox
13:12 < jrayhawk> mail...box...?
13:13 <@kanzure> oh right everything is forwarded?
13:13 < jrayhawk> Yeah.
13:13 <@kanzure> damn mutt isn't even installed. well, i guess i never checked my mail huh.
13:13 < eudoxia> why would
13:13 < eudoxia> oh right
13:13 < jrayhawk> mail:/# grep -ri bryan /etc/exim4/aliases/
13:13 < jrayhawk> /etc/exim4/aliases/diyhpl.us:bryan: kanzure@gmail.com
13:13 < eudoxia> right, your pokemon thing
13:14 < jrayhawk> which only local delivery would hit
13:14 <@kanzure> ah i see
13:15 <@kanzure> i'll modify dns in a few hours
13:15 < jrayhawk> ping me when you do
13:16 < jrayhawk> i guess forum.diyhpl.us is more comically manipulative of people's expectations
13:16 <@fenn> ugh why do people use these file hosting services with timers
13:16 <@kanzure> there are various tools that auto-skip the timers
13:16 <@kanzure> there's a cli tool i forget the name of.. hrm.
13:17 <@fenn> and popups and redirect loops and endless upsells
13:17 <@fenn> "are you SURE you want to download the file at REGULAR SLOW speed?"
13:17 <@kanzure> and all of the ads that you're never quite sure if they really are ads
13:17 <@kanzure> i usually have excellent ad detection skills, and those ads are getting really good at looking like the right thing to click. almost.
13:17 <@fenn> and then it hangs because the javascript was bad or something, and you can't download the file anyway
13:18 < brownies> AdBlock + Ghostery removes most of them
13:18 < jrayhawk> slimrat-nox maybe
13:19 <@kanzure> brownies: yes, yes, but i sort of want to look at ads for other reasons
13:19 <@fenn> oh neat
13:19 <@kanzure> brownies: i use adblock as a whitelist heh
13:27 <@fenn> "we do not recommend that you place landscapes on the ceiling. To do so has the potential to create subtle confusion or disorientation in the mind of the observer."
13:27 <@fenn> right.
13:29 < Mariu> :o
13:29 < kirka> Wow, that's some cool number http://rghost.ru/42226664
13:30 < kirka> There are people in that site who upload a ton of files to "get" the cool one
13:30 <@fenn> it is an omen!
13:34 < strangewarp> o man
13:36 <@fenn> this is actually kinda neat. would be even better with lenslet arrays for a 3d effect http://www.skyfactory.com/products/
13:40 <@fenn> "integral imaging" is the magic nonsense word
13:48 < eudoxia> guys what is that molecule that's one big chain of carbon atoms, that has single and triple bonds
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13:49 < eudoxia> i can't remember the word
13:49 < eudoxia> "intercalates" single and triple bonds
13:49 < eudoxia> come on brain
13:49 < eudoxia> alternating, that's the word
13:50 < eudoxia> a long chain of C alternating single and triple bonds
13:50 <@fenn> polyacetylene?
13:51 <@fenn> oh not quite
13:51 < kirka> Polyalkynlenes
13:51 < kirka> http://old.iupac.org/publications/books/pbook/PurpleBook-C8.pdf
13:51 < kirka> Hmph
13:51 < eudoxia> it was something like polyene
13:51 < eudoxia> the name
13:52 < eudoxia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyyne
13:52 < kirka> Aha
13:53 <@fenn> i bet that purplebook is the only place the word polyalkynlene exists
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13:53 < kirka> And is there any polymer with hexagonal monomers and double bonds between theme?
13:53 < kirka> fenn you are right
13:54 < eudoxia> kirka, my logic rod was made of that, and the knobs were benzene with two contiguous H's replaced with Fluorine
13:54 < eudoxia> it was not really stiff enough to be called a rod though
13:54 <@fenn> see even wikipedia calls it polyacetylene
13:55 < kirka> http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Graphics/LogicRod.jpg
13:55 < kirka> I think for initial deign that's ok
13:55 < kirka> *design
13:55 < eudoxia> yeah mine was too scifi
13:55 < eudoxia> well i gotta run now
13:55 < eudoxia> bai~
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13:55 < kirka> Exaflop per cubic cm probably could be reached with that
13:56 < kirka> bye
13:56 <@fenn> why do the rods have to be so big? why not just a simple cis/trans isomerization?
13:56 < kirka> Stability
13:56 < kirka> Rigidity
13:56 < kirka> Reliability
13:57 < kirka> Of course later smaller devices will be developed
13:57 < kirka> I think we should design for manufacturability for now
13:57 <@fenn> i bet from an information theoretic perspective, more copies that are individually less reliable are more reliable in aggregate
13:57 < kirka> That's good point
13:57 <@fenn> also it may turn out that smaller devices are more easily fabricated
13:58 <@fenn> for example as protein conformation changes
13:58 < kirka> Do you think that it's possible to build mechaniical logic with proteins?
13:58 <@fenn> otherwise what's the point of doing nanotechnology at all
13:59 <@fenn> you're back at stonehenge, i mean it's still there right? pretty reliable
13:59 < kirka> As the end target super-miniaturization is ok
13:59 <@fenn> i would be surprised if there doesn't already exist a mechanical logic system made of protein, we just have to recognize it
14:00 < kirka> But complex side group chemistry of polyyne rods will require advanced toolsets
14:00 <@kanzure> huh? receptors are mechanical logic.
14:00 < kirka> You are right
14:00 < kirka> Yes, e.g. Rhodopsin
14:01 < kirka> It changes conformation when a photon hits him
14:01 <@fenn> polyynes dont have side groups
14:01 <@kanzure> yes we know about rhodopsins
14:01 <@kanzure> but that's not what i mean by mechanical
14:01 < kirka> fenn knobs?
14:02 < kirka> kanzure What then?
14:02 < kirka> Ah, receptors
14:02 <@kanzure> g-signal crap
14:02 <@fenn> why does that require "advaned toolsets"? nature does it already, apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyyne#Biological_origins
14:03 < kirka> Ok
14:04 < kirka> I'm still dreaming that with UHV-STM could help in bypassing "biological bootstrap".
14:04 < kirka> *that UHV-STM
14:05 <@fenn> well, plain old organic chemistry even
14:05 <@fenn> to be honest i don't really understand the rod logic idea, so i should go read that book
14:06 < kirka> That's quite simple
14:06 < kirka> http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/mechano.html
14:06 < kirka> But it's very mechanical
14:07 < kirka> "Showing utter contempt for chemistry" as someone said
14:07 <@fenn> "The entire computation could in principle be performed by a single block of complexly shaped oscillating elastic material." is what i'm saying
14:07 < kirka> That's more complex
14:07 < kirka> It's Merkle's ideas
14:08 < kirka> http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/NanoConProc/nanocon2.html
14:08 <@fenn> i don't agree that it will dissipate no energy though, otherwise how do you do anything at all? (bit erasure energy)
14:08 < kirka> He is into reversible logic
14:08 <@fenn> meh
14:08 < kirka> That's complex too
14:08 < kirka> We need just rod logic
14:10 < kirka> Hmph seems nanosystems' treatment of rod logic is simpler than anything evailable on the internet
14:10 < kirka> *available
14:10 < kirka> http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/Images/RodGate1.gif
14:10 < kirka> http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/Images/RodGate2.gif
14:11 < kirka> "1" means ther is knob which belongs to rod that's perpendicular to the image
14:12 < kirka> If ther is at least one knob, then the main rod cannot slide
14:12 <@fenn> hmm this isn't OCR'd
14:12 < kirka> That's it, you have a switch.
14:14 < kirka> When I'll have full design of logic rod cell, register and a couple of other components, I can design a whole CPU.
14:14 < kirka> I have some experience with that.
14:15 <@kanzure> fenn: there's a nanosystems.tar.gz on the server which isn't OCR'd if you'd like that version
14:15 < kirka> For the begininng, of course, I'll do simple things like full adder
14:15 <@fenn> yeah i have that version already, thanks
14:15 <@fenn> kirka might want it though
14:15 < kirka> kanzure my DJVU isn't OCR'd too
14:15 <@kanzure> who the hell uses djvu
14:15 <@kanzure> what?
14:15 <@fenn> it's much higher resolution than the djvu file
14:15 < kirka> Ah, could be
14:16 < kirka> I find 15 mb djvu more convenient
14:16 < kirka> Wait
14:16 <@fenn> djvu is pretty good compression ratio; it can store text layout and images. what more do you want?
14:16 < kirka> I have compressed it lossless
14:16 <@kanzure> hmm where did i put it
14:17 <@kanzure> 2012-09-21.log:08:34 < kirka> That's it http://gnusha.org/stuff_to_deal_with/nanosystems.tar.gz
14:17 <@kanzure> i wonder why that doesn't exist
14:17 <@kanzure> lousy place to store it anyway
14:18 <@fenn> by definition
14:18 <@kanzure> fenn: if you have a copy could you upload it? it would take me an hour or something.
14:18 < kirka> I have a copy
14:18 < kirka> But it's too late for today
14:18 <@fenn> i only have .jpg's i made from the original .png's
14:19 <@fenn> why isnt the original .quark file available? sheesh
14:19 <@fenn> all this stupid reverse engineering
14:20 <@kanzure> i don't understand why merkle doesn't have a giant file drop of all these things
14:21 <@kanzure> i guess it doesn't occur to people that http is a nice thing to serve
14:23 < kirka> Bye, I'm sleeping
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14:24 <@kanzure> so, after looking at nanoengineer's code for months, i'm not convinced there's anything useful in there
14:24 <@kanzure> most of it is gui stuff
14:24 <@kanzure> and the stuff that isn't gui stuff is riddled with gui stuff anyway
14:25 <@fenn> is this surprising? it's a GUI program after all
14:25 <@kanzure> theoretically there's a core library
14:25 <@kanzure> with the file format stuff (which, surprise, is not separable)
14:25 <@fenn> not separable from what?
14:26 <@kanzure> from all the other code
14:26 <@kanzure> i should be able to "import nanoengineer" in python and get useful things, not a gui.
14:26 <@fenn> ah
14:26 <@fenn> make it so, number one
14:26 <@fenn> :set editor=vaporize
14:28 <@fenn> do you have an archive of _Nanotechnology_ by IOPP?
14:28 <@fenn> http://iopscience.iop.org/0957-4484/
14:28 <@kanzure> doesn't sound like a thing i have, no
14:29 <@fenn> apparently that's where merkle published a lot of stuff
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16:08 < emancipate> hey anyone playing with opto genetics? and good reads you can point me to?
16:08 < emancipate> any*
16:09 <@kanzure> http://anselmlevskaya.com/
16:09 < emancipate> thanks
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16:11 < pasky> laser printed dna?
16:11 < pasky> wow
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16:16 <@fenn> a cute phrase that conveys little information about what's actually going on
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16:30 <@kanzure> sloan foundation bioterrorism preparedness http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/resources/publications/2012/2012-12-12-prep_bioterrorism.html#pdf
16:31 < safitan> paid for by the sloan foundation and listeners like you
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17:21 <@kanzure> brainport.io
17:25 <@fenn> io error: brain not found
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17:35 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: you got a beat on any cubish proteins?
17:35 < yashgaroth> Borg1 is the only one I'm familiar with
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17:36 < yashgaroth> they tend to form spheres if they're gonna be big enough to form cubes
17:37 < AdrianG> how safe is TDCS
17:38 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: i can't find any pdb files of it, it seems to be better known as CDC42EP2
17:39 < yashgaroth> yeah sorry I was joking, y'know borg cubes and all
17:39 <@kanzure> well some fucking biologist thought it would be funny to name his protein borg1 apparently
17:39 < yashgaroth> it's all about the puns, gotta stand out from the crowd of 100,000 other proteins
17:40 <@kanzure> if they take up all the cool names with trivial crap, what are we going to name the really cool shit
17:41 < yashgaroth> there's no formal rule against using profanity, and naming your protein 'Fuck' would certainly help keep it out of all the shitty pop-sci articles
17:42 < emancipate> it might not be related but you might find something usefull here, pdb rich server http://qsad.bu.edu/data/pdbfiles/
17:42 < yashgaroth> those all look like small molecules
17:43 < emancipate> yeah they are, I just came across them a whhile back
17:44 < emancipate> another might have doubles from other server http://cat.middlebury.edu/~chem/chemistry/pdb/
17:46 < emancipate> my other link was dead too bad, but heres the last I have http://mouse.belozersky.msu.ru/npidb/pdb/dna/
17:47 < emancipate> go up one directory he has other interesting stuffs
17:48 < emancipate> hmm I havent been to it in a while, looks like he updated it http://mouse.belozersky.msu.ru/npidb/pdb/pdb_new/
17:48 < emancipate> ok back to lurking, enjoy
17:49 < yashgaroth> don't take this the wrong way, but all pdb files are available at PDB and I have no idea what that guy's research is about
17:49 <@kanzure> heh
17:54 < emancipate> whoops sorry, I just thought one of his pdb would be what you were looking for
17:55 < emancipate> I never did check against pdb if it was available there too, kinda new still playing around sources and reading
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17:59 <@fenn> interesting. the dawn spacecraft (that went to vesta and now going to ceres) main telescope image processor uses a "soft" fpga based CPU, available under the LGPL from opencores :O
17:59 <@kanzure> is there an alt-tab shortcut to not have to cycle through all the tabs to get back to your current tab? and not "alt-tab release alt-tab release"
18:00 < emancipate> ctrl+number I think
18:00 < emancipate> well depends on the client
18:01 < emancipate> when I used hydra , and pidgin I think
18:02 <@fenn> alt-shift-tab?
18:02 < emancipate> ohh its alt+number in chatzilla :D
18:22 <@fenn> EVOLVE OR DIE!!!1 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pyWHC2_OWYQ/Tgnxf5JWwJI/AAAAAAAAA-Q/lg32DmTzol8/s1600/Cybergen.jpg
18:22 <@kanzure> alt-shift-tab just goes backwards instead
18:22 <@kanzure> maybe it's time to get off of gnome/kde
18:23 <@fenn> i've been using lxde and various bits from gnome
18:24 <@fenn> it's not that super duper really, but i figure eventually gnome will drop the "classic" mode altogether and be completely useless
18:25 <@kanzure> aren't we all supposed to be using xmonadnads or something
18:25 <@kanzure> aha jrayhawk-approved
18:25 <@kanzure> well it's decided then
18:25 <@kanzure> can't be much worse than gnome
18:26 <@fenn> i could never figure out what a monad was, that's my excuse
18:27 <@kanzure> something about philosophical optimism.. and german encyclopedia projects.
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18:27 < jrayhawk> something about burritos
18:28 <@kanzure> also, what's the right way to reset the keyboard on linux if something goes terribly wrong? xsetkb isn't doing the trick for a friend.
18:28 <@kanzure> i thought it would appear in lsmod but it doesn't
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18:34 < brownies> burritos++
18:37 < jrayhawk> burritos within burritos, my friend
18:37 < jrayhawk> it's just burritos all the way down
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18:38 < jrayhawk> re: kbd: too many potential layers to think about, and I don't fully understand it myself. oftentimes restarting udev helps.
18:40 <@kanzure> thanks, i think "sudo service udev restart" might work in that case.
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19:35 <@fenn> Johnny Depp will play Will, a scientist whose brain is uploaded into a supercomputer in Transcendence (2014)
19:35 <@fenn> 2014 refers to the movie release date presumably, not the date johnny depp is uploaded.
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19:48 < AdrianG> lol fenn
19:52 < joshcryer> Oblivion and Pacific Rim are two new-tech blockbusters coming out. Guess hollywood is getting back into tech stuff again.
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20:51 <@kanzure> bloop
20:53 <@kanzure> javascript sure has gotten weird http://possan.se/junk/webglass/index.html
21:10 <@kanzure> finally someone came to their senses and made hatsune miku webgl http://edv.sakura.ne.jp/mmd/
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21:12 <@kanzure> well.. sort of.
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22:24 <@kanzure> "Wednesday 12/19: 6pm - 7pm Molecular Biology of the Cell Study Group"
22:24 <@kanzure> didn't know biocurious had that
22:25 <@kanzure> http://www.nature.com/spoton/2012/12/spoton-nyc-diy-bio-cant-make-the-livestream-viewing-join-us-online-on-friday-instead/
22:25 <@kanzure> http://www.scilogs.com/beyond_the_lab/how-do-we-make-diybio-sustainable/
22:25 <@kanzure> "nature publishing group" are the last people you should ask about diybio
22:26 <@kanzure> oh look they even linked to me, how rebelious of them to actually care.
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22:34 <@kanzure> BioGuy: hi
22:36 < BioGuy> Hey, long time no chat
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