--- Log opened Mon Dec 24 00:00:09 2012 00:21 < qu-bit> kanzure: that's uh 00:21 < qu-bit> grapes 00:21 < qu-bit> how can they buy a grape compound? 00:22 <@fenn> genetically engineered bacteria to produce it can be patented 00:22 < qu-bit> but then it'd be a patent for that specific method of production 00:23 <@fenn> correct 00:23 < qu-bit> kanzure: that was missing a plural signifier 00:23 <@fenn> i know about mozilla's sync 00:24 < qu-bit> doesn't cache tabs? 00:24 <@fenn> tabs in tab sets remain in RAM 00:24 < qu-bit> increase your pagefile? 00:24 <@fenn> everything bogs down nonetheless 00:25 < qu-bit> lightweight firefox? 00:25 <@fenn> what does that mean 00:25 <@fenn> fennec? give me a break 00:25 < qu-bit> alternative gecko browser 00:25 < qu-bit> midori 00:26 <@fenn> yes i am using midori now 00:26 <@fenn> still too many tabs though 00:27 < qu-bit> have you tried tab groups? 00:27 < qu-bit> ctrl+shift+e 00:27 < qu-bit> you can dump tabs into the background 00:27 <@fenn> yes, that's what i meant by "tab sets" 00:28 <@fenn> it's a terribly primitive interface and doesn't work for a large number of tabs 00:28 <@fenn> you can't even make sets of sets 00:29 <@fenn> i don't like firefox's trend toward reinventing the wheel either 00:29 < qu-bit> in what sense? 00:29 <@fenn> the window borders in the tab group interface 00:30 < qu-bit> theme independent 00:30 < qu-bit> not the most attractive grabbers 00:31 <@fenn> i dont care if it's attractive, the fact that they wrote a new system in the first place means something it wrong 00:31 <@fenn> is* 00:31 < qu-bit> doesn't use gtk? 00:31 <@fenn> sure, gtk, wx, whatever 00:31 <@fenn> ff doesn't use gtk for its native chrome does it? 00:32 <@fenn> anyway, they could at least have used the firefox chrome 00:32 < qu-bit> unsure 00:34 < qu-bit> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/suspend-background-tabs? 00:34 < qu-bit> -? 00:35 < qu-bit> or uh 00:35 < qu-bit> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toomanytabs-saves-your-memory/ 00:37 <@fenn> going in circles now 00:46 < qu-bit> been there? 01:01 -!- irobes [~aserid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: [04:22] I have a feeling that the average person doesn't care about ai, agi or even statistics. 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11:06 < eudoxia> hmm 11:22 < jrayhawk> it's also the holiday of dumping giant piles of money into technology research institutions 11:25 < eudoxia> awesome 11:37 < jrayhawk> biotech is not well-represented there, i suppose 11:37 <@kanzure> newtonmas 11:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-170-228.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 11:58 <@kanzure> fenn: what was wrong with implicitcad again? 12:21 -!- not_unoriginal [~not_unori@cpe-142-136-141-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- TRG [~TRG___@ip68-96-62-47.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 < strangewarp> oh god 12:53 < strangewarp> I just realized one of my commit messages is "updated resume" when it should be "updated readme" 12:53 * strangewarp github walk of shame 13:12 < jrayhawk> you can rewrite that commit and non-fast-forward update 13:12 < jrayhawk> git push +master:master or --force or what have you 13:12 < jrayhawk> no one must know 13:15 <@kanzure> what does the + do there? 13:18 < TRG> what is commit? 13:19 < not_unoriginal> it replaces your pineal with a CCD 13:22 < TRG> nobody is touching my pineal 13:22 < jrayhawk> + is "allow non-fsat-forwards" 13:22 < jrayhawk> s/sa/as/ 13:23 -!- JoeLlama [~snork@unaffiliated/joellama] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 -!- JoeLlama [~snork@unaffiliated/joellama] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 13:29 < strangewarp> meh, I'll just leave it. Going to be updating every item in that repo soon anyway, so it won't show on the main page. And it has no followers anyway 13:30 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.124.107.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:32 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.124.107.22] has quit [] 14:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-170-228.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:03 < eudoxia> strangewarp are those hole/scratches sort of things on your site supposed to look like letters i can't figure out 14:03 < eudoxia> or is it just a placeholder? 14:04 < strangewarp> It's just a placeholder. Little symbols cropped from a larger code-art image I might use as an album-cover later. 14:04 < eudoxia> allright 14:05 < strangewarp> Thanks for reminding me about my website - I've got to remember to do a bit of bare-bones webdesign to redirect to my Soundcloud and Bandcamp, once I've released some music. 14:06 -!- not_unoriginal [~not_unori@cpe-142-136-141-75.socal.res.rr.com] has left ##hplusroadmap ["ADIOS"] 14:20 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-170-228.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42 -!- safitan [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42 -!- ArmilusDajjal [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:15 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.124.107.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:20 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:23 <@kanzure> i'm not convinced this is practical http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/USS_Langley_%28CV-1%29.jpg 17:23 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:37 -!- ArmilusDajjal [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 -!- bkero [~Ben@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.124.107.22] has quit [] 18:05 -!- bkero [~Ben@li280-127.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:05 -!- bkero [~Ben@li280-127.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:05 -!- bkero [~Ben@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:18 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:57 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:04 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:04 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 19:07 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:07 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@p54B4F648.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:15 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:16 -!- TRG [~TRG___@ip68-96-62-47.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:17 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:22 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:27 -!- qu-bit [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:43 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@p54B4F648.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:18 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 < jrayhawk> http://diyhpl.us/sympa/arc/diyhplus-admin hooray things are ostensibly working 20:23 <@fenn> is the bobblehead really necessary? 20:24 < jrayhawk> baloneymonsters are obligatory for all websites 20:24 < jrayhawk> it is a crime for a website not to have a baloneymonster 20:28 < jrayhawk> who was it that actually wanted something forumish 20:28 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 20:29 < jrayhawk> i have no real opinions on how community building should go, so i feel like i should empower someone who actually cares 20:31 < strangewarp> That was Steel2, I think, but he seems to have disappeared 20:32 < jrayhawk> i think it was someone more recently than that 20:32 < jrayhawk> eudoxia, probably 20:35 <@kanzure> no, eudoxia is the one that wants mediawiki 20:35 < jrayhawk> oh 20:38 <@kanzure> is this piny integrated 20:39 <@kanzure> "This button trys to protect the mailing lists archives against address harvesting by a Spammer." this is a dumb feature 20:41 < jrayhawk> 12:41 < kirka> Well, about MNT: 20:41 < jrayhawk> 12:41 < kirka> There should be a forum 20:41 < jrayhawk> ah, there it is 20:41 <@kanzure> google groups has been trying to make itself look like a forum with its recent updates, except the ui is now even worse than phpbb/vbulletin/whatever. 20:42 <@kanzure> mailman has the ultimate ui for email archives, except it doesn't usually provide bulk downloads for all months :\ 20:42 < jrayhawk> I thought the UI was commands over mail anyway 20:42 < jrayhawk> oh i thought it did 20:42 <@kanzure> it provides it per-month 20:46 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:49 < jrayhawk> huh, weird 20:50 < jrayhawk> the exclusion of those is actually fairly arbitrary and i don't understand why they did it 20:50 < jrayhawk> oh well, still easy to get to from a shell, at least 20:59 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 < jrayhawk> oh i guess pipermail sterilizes it a bit 20:59 < jrayhawk> beh 21:01 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 < jrayhawk> kanzure: that spambot protection thing is optional 21:15 < jrayhawk> kanzure: also no, not piny integrated. if you have requests in that regard, let me know. 21:15 < jrayhawk> that was on my list of things to do, but i never got around to it 21:15 <@kanzure> okay 21:24 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:36 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:36 <@fenn> http://examine.com is an interesting compendium of data on supplements and nootropics 21:36 <@fenn> i wonder how they managed to get that domain name 21:37 <@kanzure> Record created on: 1996-09-05 04:00:00 21:39 < strangewarp> mmmm drunk hardware hacking 21:39 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:45 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 -!- hmong [18463499@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.70.52.153] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:53 -!- hmong [18463499@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.70.52.153] has quit [Client Quit] 21:54 < JayDugger> "http://examine.com is an interesting compendium of data on supplements and nootropics", Thanks. 21:56 < strangewarp> I own an even shorter domain name, but mine kind of sucks, and doesn't have anything interesting on it yet 22:01 <@fenn> they do a somewhat cursory examination of the literature, for example in the faq "can you eat too much protein?" they cite campbell's rat study showing that rats fed more protein have more tumors (when exposed to aflatoxin) despite the fact that they lived longer 22:02 <@fenn> they don't mention that the rats lived longer, only that "cancer increased" 22:02 <@fenn> so take it with a grain of dead sea salt 22:31 < jrayhawk> i assume he welcomes contributions! 22:32 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:32 < jrayhawk> also IIRC the rats living longer was only in some of the experiments; the lack of distinction made between stage 1/stage 2 liver detox was also pretty manipulative, though 22:34 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:36 < jrayhawk> fenn: http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2012/12/my-new-article-on-nutrient-synergy-is.html you might like this 22:36 < jrayhawk> err, http://www.westonaprice.org/vitamins-and-minerals/beyond-good-and-evil 22:36 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:36 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37 < JayDugger> I should have thought of this earlier. Anyone here know of an online tool for drawing DFAs and NFAs? 22:38 < JayDugger> I'd also welcome tools for doing so in LaTeX. 22:38 <@kanzure> why do none of the standard option parsers support shit like "git remote add" and "git remote rm".. is nesting really that alien? 22:39 <@kanzure> help i think i've fallen into the eleventh dimenson 22:39 < JayDugger> There's a pun on cuckoos somewhere in that, though I can't quite find it. 22:39 <@kanzure> oh.. git uses which to just select a different command? isn't that cheating.. 22:41 <@kanzure> i don't seem to have git-remote on my $PATH. so it can't be doing that? 22:41 < jrayhawk> JayDugger: I don't know much about the problemspace; best I can offer is graphviz 22:42 < jrayhawk> kanzure: dpkg -L git | grep lib 22:42 < JayDugger> Thanks, jrayhawk. I'm trying to avoid learning yet another tool, but graphviz keeps coming up in the answers. 22:42 <@kanzure> aha 22:43 <@kanzure> JayDugger: bloodgraph used to host an online instance of graphviz, if you're lucky it's still up 22:43 < jrayhawk> the diyhpl.us wikis support graphviz 22:44 <@kanzure> who came up with that plan to organize git like that 22:44 <@kanzure> it seems like a non-obvious choice to start with 22:44 < jrayhawk> example: http://piny.be/ahl/architecture/ with source of https://secure.piny.be/cgit/ahl/tree/architecture.mdwn 22:44 <@kanzure> it works well but i don't see anything else using that pattern 22:46 < jrayhawk> notmuch 22:46 < jrayhawk> oh, no, i guess i am lying 22:48 < jrayhawk> surfraw 22:51 < jrayhawk> Originally all that crap was in /usr/bin/, but for some reason it was decided to hide the plumbing to break competing frontends. 22:51 < jrayhawk> there are still some people bitter about the loss of cogito 22:52 <@kanzure> that must have been recent, i remember typing out dashed commands at some point and them working 22:52 < jrayhawk> It's been a few years, at least. 22:54 -!- upgrayeddd_ is now known as upgrayeddd 23:14 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Dec 25 00:00:10 2012