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00:14 <@kanzure> "Followers of the Way [of Chán], if you want to get the kind of understanding that accords with the Dharma, never be misled by others. Whether you're facing inward or facing outward, whatever you meet up with, just kill it!"
00:14 <@kanzure> "If you meet a buddha, kill the buddha. If you meet a patriarch, kill the patriarch. If you meet an arhat, kill the arhat. If you meet your parents, kill your parents."
00:14 <@kanzure> " If you meet your kinfolk, kill your kinfolk. Then for the first time you will gain emancipation, will not be entangled with things, will pass freely anywhere you wish to go.[7]"
00:14 <@kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linji_Yixuan
00:27 < juri_> taoist philosophy is fun.
00:27 < juri_> i've heard that quoted by buddhists who seem to use it to justify being an asshole to everyone.
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00:28 <@kanzure> ah i was thinking it would be justification for murder
00:28 <@kanzure> but okay..
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00:35 < juri_> no, its much less litearl than that: think kill the IDEA.
00:35 <@kanzure> that's not as interesting to me.
00:35 <@kanzure> well, thanks for clearing that up.
00:35 < juri_> I'm a taoist who has the simplicity edict all messed up with singularism. ;)
00:37 < juri_> i have to admit however, that working on a tree containing over a million lines of PHP makes me doubt the concept of machines ever being inteligent, through lines of code alone.
00:37 <@kanzure> did you know that you can just choose to not work on terrible projects? it will greatly improve your quality of life.
00:38 < juri_> its what pays the bills. and its free software, to boot.
00:38 <@kanzure> that's crazy though. programmers are in extremely high demand right now and can pick whatever they want to work on (paid).
00:38 < juri_> show me another way i can pay my bills coding free software, and doing as much good as i do (this is a free software EMR system), and i'll be there.
00:39 < juri_> programmers are not in high demand.
00:39 <@kanzure> i am being pulled in a million directions..
00:39 <@kanzure> do you consider open source software to be free software?
00:39 < juri_> you're in high demand, i'll give you that. ;)
00:40 <@kanzure> 'cause mozilla is on a hiring streak like crazy.
00:40 < juri_> No. different things. Free software is somewhere on the spectrum between GPLV3 and BSD.
00:40 <@kanzure> bkero might even trade places with you.
00:40 <@kanzure> i see.
00:40 < juri_> ugh. i've abandoned that codebase.
00:40 <@kanzure> um.. so you don't think gplv3 is open source?
00:41 <@kanzure> it might be out from fsf but it's still osi approved i think
00:41 <@kanzure> fun fact: christine peterson (foresight institute) was one of the original jerks who did osi.
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01:06 < bkero> kanzure: trade places with me?
01:06 <@kanzure> i thought you wanted out of mozilla
01:07 < bkero> In a sense
01:07 <@kanzure> also, are there builds of firefox os that work at the moment?
01:07 <@kanzure> or b2g or something?
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01:44 < juri_> oh, i think gplv3 is free software.
01:44 < juri_> i prefer to work on free software, open source is not quite 'good enough' for my tastes.
01:45 < juri_> anything that can be made GPL is good enough, so much of the bsd stuff works.
01:45 < juri_> i'm a zealot. don't expect what you consider sanity. ;)
01:48 < juri_> i don't think i'd enjoy working on mozilla's products, because from my persoective, they're yesterday's news. i was actually a contributor back when it waw Mozilla. i was the first one who got jpegs rendering right. ;)
01:48 < juri_> I learned a lot on that project. now, i'm using midori (a webkit based browser).
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02:20 < bkero> kanzure: yes
02:21 < bkero> kanzure: google r2d2b2g for a firefox os extension for your firefox browser. There's also an emulator built on top of qemu, and there are builds for the raspberry pi, samsung galaxy s 2, nexus s/galaxy, and a few other devices.
02:21 < bkero> Basically anything with a cyanogenmod ICS or newer target will just work
02:21 < bkero> since we're using the android build system.
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08:45 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html
08:45 < paperbot> error: HTTP 501 http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html (battle station not fully operational)
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10:16 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261
10:16 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6950396aa0030020d251bdb922d20f55
10:16 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html
10:16 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/eb3b8e8cafbbef255c9fb55b66fee6aa
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10:56 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: it would be cool if piny would give the git address after running newrepo instead of just the https urls
10:58 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: also, the post-receive script seems broken.
10:58 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: remote: fatal: Invalid revision range 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..aa98a92edb4bd075af788794554f8d8a1638f7b3
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11:20 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: also, http://diyhpl.us/piny-commands/newuser results in http 500 when registering
11:22 <@kanzure> [Thu Jan 10 11:20:02 2013] [error] [client 66.68.190.37] Premature end of script headers: newuser.cgi, referer: http://diyhpl.us/piny-commands/newuser/
11:33 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/27/19498/00901261.pdf?arnumber=901261
11:33 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a62debb36de41c7b52448586d3957375
11:33 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/27/19498/00901261.pdf?tp=&arnumber=901261&isnumber=19498
11:33 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5debcfda84728e7505fe5ced4433cd6d
11:34 <@kanzure> hmm it would be nice if i could detect the pdf file format in that situation
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12:18 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.plosntds.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pntd.0001969
12:18 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ad46125d7eab3ecd91a80eb2c2df9963
12:18 <@kanzure> "An In-Depth Analysis of a Piece of Shit: Distribution of Schistosoma mansoni and Hookworm Eggs in Human Stool"
12:19 <@kanzure> i guess they get points for being able to get 'shit' into a paper title
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12:26 < juri_> that was a dare, i'm sure of it.
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13:00 <@kanzure> oreilly alphatech ventures dumped some money into littlebits.cc, apparently
13:00 <@kanzure> http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/18/toys-grow-up-littlebits-picks-up-3-65m-pch-deal-to-build-out-its-open-source-hardware-vision/
13:01 <@kanzure> i think littlebits is run by the same ayah who commandeered open hardware summit
13:01 <@kanzure> oh it's even a series a, huh.
13:01 <@kanzure> http://www.crunchbase.com/company/littlebits
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14:13 <@fenn> what a wacky little rocket http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/otrag.htm
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15:01 < nmz787> sup
15:01 <@kanzure> nmz787: feeling charitable? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues
15:01 <@kanzure> these are all relatively easy tasks (except the ieee one)
15:02 < nmz787> did you write paperbot from ground up?
15:02 <@kanzure> it's just one file, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py
15:03 < nmz787> looks like multi URLs wouldn't be too hard
15:03 < nmz787> how are you testing ?
15:03 <@kanzure> #paperbot-testing
15:03 <@kanzure> no unit tests at the moment but that would also be a good thing
15:04 < nmz787> so if i push to master, then screw with paperbot in that channel my changes will be reflected?
15:05 < nmz787> like it auto reloads the new flie?
15:05 < nmz787> file*
15:05 < nmz787> s/new/updated/
15:05 <@kanzure> you would have to push to nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/paperbot.git
15:05 <@kanzure> but yes
15:06 <@kanzure> also you would have to say "paperbot: reload papers" to get the new changes.
15:07 < nmz787> asdf:LKJ787
15:07 < nmz787> dsajkaewr
15:07 < nmz787> 3
15:08 < nmz787> sry
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15:10 < nmz787> git pull on that string doesn't work
15:10 < nmz787> nor on /srv/...
15:11 < nmz787> ahh clone
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15:17 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=b09a55c0 Bryan Bishop: pedantic whitespace changes
15:17 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
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15:19 <@fenn> cute
15:21 < nmz787> geez the GRE test is $185
15:21 < nmz787> thought it would be like $50
15:21 < nmz787> that's like $40 to TAKE a test
15:21 < nmz787> an hour
15:22 < nmz787> what is phenny?
15:22 <@kanzure> a poorly written irc bot
15:22 <@kanzure> https://github.com/sbp/phenny
15:23 < nmz787> so who get's the URL first?
15:23 <@kanzure> ask again?
15:23 < nmz787> when i type paprbot http://blah
15:23 < nmz787> where does that go to?
15:24 <@kanzure> all lines are sent to the download function on line 10 because of download.rule = r'(.*)'
15:26 < nmz787> how does that work?
15:26 < nmz787> i don't see any rule variable in the download func
15:26 < nmz787> or a struct like thing anywhere
15:26 <@kanzure> download.rule is set at line 129
15:26 < nmz787> i see that
15:27 <@kanzure> in python you can set attributes or variables on function objects
15:27 < nmz787> that dont exist yet?
15:27 <@kanzure> it was defined just above it!
15:28 <@kanzure> phenny uses these functions-with-some-extra-attributes to determine when to call a function.. most people make bot commands like ".calc" or "!help", but download.rule is special because i want paperbot to always parse urls out of messages.
15:28 < nmz787> where was .rule defined in download?
15:28 <@kanzure> it was not
15:28 < nmz787> ok so it didnt exist when it was declared then on line 129
15:29 <@kanzure> before line 129, download exists but download.rule does not.. yes.
15:29 < nmz787> so paperbot isnt a bot, its a phenny addon?
15:29 <@kanzure> phenny is a bot
15:29 <@kanzure> but yes
15:44 < nmz787> so is there any decent way to not allow people to download mp3s from an online music player
15:44 <@kanzure> are you asking about drm?
15:44 < nmz787> you can easily see where the MP3s are here view-source:http://www.wiletri.com/music.html
15:45 < nmz787> nah its a band my dad is in
15:45 < nmz787> I don't think my dad is losing money because of this
15:45 <@kanzure> if the music is going to the user's browser, the user can ultimately just redirect his /dev/audio to a file
15:45 <@kanzure> (or whatever)
15:45 < nmz787> since I doubt he ever really made anything on royalties anywa
15:45 < nmz787> hmm
15:45 < nmz787> sure
15:46 <@kanzure> eww this uses flash?
15:46 <@fenn> all this disable downloading stuff is so dumb
15:46 < nmz787> heh, I'm watching some CBS video on used copiers having harddrives full of prev copied image data
15:46 <@fenn> anyone with half a brain can get around 99% of it
15:46 < nmz787> hmm
15:47 < nmz787> well maybe it's ok then
15:47 <@kanzure> maybe your dad should work on a business model that doesn't break because computers exist
15:47 < nmz787> lol
15:47 < nmz787> i don't think his guitar or amplifier care
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15:48 <@fenn> your dad will benefit from the increased promotion of his band enabled by file sharing on the internet
15:48 <@fenn> an artist's worst enemy is obscurity
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15:50 < nmz787> yeah prob is he doesn't have his own band or music page of his work anyway
15:50 < nmz787> this is the site of a band he's in
15:50 <@kanzure> it looks like he's signed with a publishing company
15:50 < nmz787> or was in
15:51 <@kanzure> they probably made him sign away his rights
15:51 < nmz787> i dunno
15:51 <@fenn> great, now can press all those records
15:51 < nmz787> the album in question came out like 10 years ago or more
15:51 < nmz787> i've never heard of him getting anything
15:52 < nmz787> heh, i could release a torrent
15:52 <@fenn> (i wish recording music on records was understood to be ridiculously crude and bad way of doing things.. but they still exist for some reason)
15:54 < nmz787> like vinyl?
15:54 <@fenn> yes, platters with grooves in them
15:55 < nmz787> it's mainly a problem of incomplete coverage of new tech
15:55 < nmz787> ahh
15:55 < nmz787> i thought you were gonna say any non-digital format
15:55 <@fenn> what, like cassette tapes?
15:55 < nmz787> cause my truck doesn't have an AUX in, so CDs are still handy
15:55 <@fenn> CD's are digital
15:55 < nmz787> solid state?
15:55 <@fenn> hard drives aren't usually solid state
15:55 < nmz787> what is then?
15:56 < nmz787> CD, tape, hdd are all SOLID
15:56 <@fenn> er, that's not what 'solid state' means
15:56 < nmz787> hrmm
15:56 <@fenn> it tends to mean "no moving parts"
15:56 < nmz787> ahh
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15:57 <@fenn> flash memory is the only widely deployed solid state recording technology
15:57 < nmz787> the electrons move
15:57 <@fenn> so do the atoms
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15:57 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, i hardly count electrons as an mechanical part
15:57 < nmz787> they;re part of most/all states
15:58 < ThomasEgi> there are also ring-core memories.. but those are fairly exotic and only used in some old spacecrafts
15:58 < nmz787> fenn didnt say mechanical
15:58 <@fenn> the idea is to improve reliability by eliminating wear and reducing the number of failure modes
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15:58 < nmz787> well i guess nothing can't move by that definition at temp
15:58 <@fenn> you wouldn't be able to maintain something at absolute zero and also add or remove information
16:00 < nmz787> does anyone in here know about professional studio/stage audio recording
16:00 <@fenn> not particularly.. talk to theBear
16:00 <@kanzure> wrldpc does.. he released a few albums
16:01 <@kanzure> i think he's currently deployed in japan?
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16:03 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, if you want to build a microphone preamplifier i can help you. but other than that you better ask someone else
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16:04 < nmz787> i'm not sure what the best setup for capturing my dad play live with studio-quality
16:04 < ThomasEgi> what does he play?
16:04 < nmz787> bass, but in blues bands
16:04 < ThomasEgi> so you need to capture the entire band?
16:05 < nmz787> generally
16:05 < nmz787> i was thinking something that could use my HTC Evo, which has 720p video recording
16:05 < ThomasEgi> video is one thing. audio another
16:06 < nmz787> so it would just be convenient but also decent
16:06 < nmz787> it could've been the camcorder app but the audio on music i've recorded on my phone seemed way overamplified
16:06 < nmz787> but the app doesn't let you mess with mic levels
16:07 < ThomasEgi> mic's in mobile/smartphones arent really made for professional recording.
16:07 < nmz787> so then i was thinking a better mic coming into the mic port on the phone
16:07 < nmz787> or via bluetooth
16:07 < ThomasEgi> they are cheap and optimized for low power and voice
16:07 < nmz787> ya
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16:07 < ThomasEgi> a good mic, in reasonably close distance to the instruments.
16:08 < ThomasEgi> since it's a blues band , featuring instruments with low frequencies. you may wanna pick a mic that offers decent recording levels at lower frequencies
16:08 < ThomasEgi> like medium or large diameter condenser. or if you can find someone, a ribbon mic
16:09 < ThomasEgi> no use to buy that stuff as it is expensive. but if you can find someone to lend it from. go for it
16:09 < nmz787> it's weird that my dad doesn't have much of himself recorded
16:09 < nmz787> he plays all the time, and has been my whole life
16:11 < nmz787> so though i don't have $ to spend on something ideal, ideally he would just have something cellphone sized on a small tripod
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16:11 < nmz787> that he just sits down when he get's to a club/bar
16:11 < nmz787> ok camcorder sized
16:11 < juri_> you could try one of those android DTV converters.
16:12 < juri_> they're USB powered (so easy to rig a big battery to), and have a usb port you could plug into whatever sound card.
16:12 < nmz787> audio would be more important than video, but 720p and 1080p cameras are spy sized now
16:12 < nmz787> and support at least 16gb SDHC cards
16:12 < juri_> for video, just use a hub, and a webcam.
16:12 < juri_> they've got SD card ports in the side of them.
16:13 < nmz787> digital tv or directv?
16:13 < juri_> digital TV.
16:14 < nmz787> not finding anything
16:14 < nmz787> ahh now i do
16:14 < nmz787> tuner not converter
16:14 < ThomasEgi> the problem with audio is... the microphone.
16:15 < ThomasEgi> pretty much all recording mechanisms have a decent quality. but the microphone itself is the weak point
16:15 < nmz787> yeah
16:15 < nmz787> the HW side is easy
16:15 < nmz787> raspI would work well too
16:15 < nmz787> so look for a wide diameter condenser mic?
16:15 < ThomasEgi> raspI as in raspberry?
16:15 < nmz787> like 1 inch, 2 inch?
16:15 < nmz787> raspberry pi
16:16 < ThomasEgi> doesnt come with audio in
16:16 < nmz787> oh
16:16 < ThomasEgi> it only has a hardware PCM input. but the drivers are still in development as we speak
16:16 < ThomasEgi> you'd have to use a usb soundcard instead
16:16 < ThomasEgi> as for mic diameters.. half inch or 1 should be totaly fine.
16:16 < ThomasEgi> but.. as i said. they arent cheap
16:17 < nmz787> i have a feeling there arent any decent USB soundcards
16:17 < ThomasEgi> yeah. most are cheap
16:17 < ThomasEgi> there are a couple of still affordable usb microphones tho.
16:17 < nmz787> my friend bought a soundcard that you could change the op-amps on
16:17 < ThomasEgi> some with pretty decent quality
16:17 < nmz787> but that was PCI-e
16:17 < ThomasEgi> the op-amps are just one of many parts
16:18 < ThomasEgi> most cheap soundcards have a horribly power supply/filtering.
16:18 < nmz787> yeah, but they were socketed i think
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16:19 < nmz787> ahh ASUS Essence
16:19 < nmz787> "The bottom section of the multilayer card carries the analog input circuitry, this based on a pair of R4580 low-noise dualop-amp chips, followed by a pair of 5532 dual op-amps. These feed a Cirrus Logic CS5381, a 24-bit A/D converter chip capable of operating at sample rates up to 192kHz and offering a S/N ratio of 110dB."
16:20 < nmz787> "A high-performance, two-channel, 24-bit D/A convertera Burr-Brown PCM 1792, the same chip used in Musical Fidelity's V-DAC D/A processor"
16:20 < nmz787> "Although almost all the components used, other than the electrolytic caps, are surface-mount types, the four output-stage op-amp chips are socketed 8-pin types, to allow the owner to experiment with other pin-compatible chips."
16:21 < nmz787> huh, they made a USB version
16:22 < ThomasEgi> you may want to go with an usb mic to begin with
16:28 < ThomasEgi> they go for 100 to 150 bucks
16:29 < ThomasEgi> oh.. that one goes for 70 on amazon. samson meteor mic
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16:31 < ThomasEgi> those should get you noticably better sound than what most webcams/camcorders offer. not quite studio level, but most people probably won't care
16:33 < nmz787> hmm, cool
16:39 < nmz787> is there a best direction to point it?
16:44 <@kanzure> httparty/multixml has a similar exploit to CVE-2013-0156 https://gist.github.com/d7f6d9f4925f413621aa
16:46 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, the mic?
16:47 < nmz787> yeah
16:47 < nmz787> kanzure: so you're not actually using zotero anywhere?
16:47 <@kanzure> paperbot uses zotero
16:47 < nmz787> i searched zot and it's only in the comment for ieee
16:48 <@kanzure> line 56
16:48 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L56
16:48 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, towards whatever you want to record. the position is probably more critical , given you record an entire band. depending on it. you can attenuate some instruments more than others
16:49 <@kanzure> nmz787: i'm using https://github.com/zotero/translation-server
16:55 < nmz787> ahh zotero is actually running separately
16:56 <@kanzure> yep
16:57 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=956fddff Nathan McCorkle: added printline
16:57 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
16:57 < paperbot> gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 00:57:24)
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16:59 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
16:59 < paperbot> gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 00:59:03)
16:59 <@kanzure> this is a bad idea
16:59 < paperbot> this is a bad idea
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17:08 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: hi.
17:08 < yashgaroth> hello
17:14 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=46c2143e Bryan Bishop: Revert "changed printline"
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17:14 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
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18:30 < nmz787> kanzure: did you add that?
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18:54 <@kanzure> no
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20:37 < nmz787> xming isn't totally opensource anymore?
20:38 < nmz787> weird
20:38 < nmz787> it asks for a password when i try to download it
20:38 < nmz787> from the dude's website
20:40 < nmz787> huh
20:41 < nmz787> donations must be made then you get 1 year worth of downloads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xming#Newer_Releases
20:44 < nmz787> kanzure: can you install geany on gnusha
20:46 <@kanzure> nmz787: done
20:51 < nmz787> kanzure: is xforwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
20:51 < nmz787> ?
20:52 <@kanzure> yes
20:52 < nmz787> has that been there?
20:52 <@kanzure> it's been enabled for a few years now
20:55 < nmz787> do i need to export DISPLAY= somethng?
20:55 < juri_> did you install xhost?
20:57 < nmz787> i dunno, i got it work work using Xlaunch that came with xming
20:57 < nmz787> and telling it where ssh.exe was
20:58 < nmz787> instead of trying with ssh -X
20:58 < nmz787> :/
21:00 <@kanzure> ssh -X bryan@gnusha.org "x-www-browser"
21:00 <@kanzure> works for me..
21:08 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=e4074d2b Nathan McCorkle: attempt at multi URL downloads
21:08 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
21:08 < paperbot> gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 05:08:43)
21:10 < nmz787> hmm
21:11 < nmz787> i think some continues need to be breaks
21:11 < nmz787> maybe?
21:11 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261
21:12 < nmz787> oh
21:12 < nmz787> maybe my tab and space is messed up
21:12 < nmz787> yep
21:12 < nmz787> i used tabs
21:14 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=6dcb23e2 Nathan McCorkle: tabs to spaces
21:14 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
21:14 < paperbot> gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 05:14:19)
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21:26 <@kanzure> nmz787: thanks
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21:33 < nmz787> these zotero translators look big
21:34 < nmz787> are they mostly the same?
21:35 <@kanzure> yes, but one or two are different- like the ieee xplore one which requires opening a few windows (zotero/translation-server does not support this yet)
21:36 <@kanzure> also for some reason sciencedirect isn't working either
21:37 <@kanzure> fun fact, the only other contributor to zotero/translation-server is jason morrison who you might remember from diybio
21:37 < nmz787> pdx.edu mentioned zotero and endnote in my lab today
21:37 < nmz787> heh
21:37 < nmz787> interesting
21:37 <@kanzure> yeah, it's a popular firefox extension
21:37 < nmz787> other than who?
21:37 <@kanzure> http://zotero.org/
21:38 <@kanzure> simonw, some guy employed to work on zotero full-time
21:38 < nmz787> ahh
21:38 <@kanzure> erm, simon kornblith
21:38 <@kanzure> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/zotero/
21:39 <@kanzure> ah nevermind. he's not full-time on it.
21:40 <@kanzure> hmm i didn't see this before https://github.com/simonster/zotero-translator-tools
21:41 <@kanzure> the issue we care about to get ieee xplore working is https://github.com/zotero/translation-server/issues/3
21:50 < nmz787> any idea what the fix is?
21:50 < nmz787> i'm looking at a raw dump from paperbot
21:52 <@kanzure> i've added some details about a possible fix here:
21:52 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/5#issuecomment-12132741
21:53 <@kanzure> basicaly it involves me writing some code in https://github.com/zotero/translation-server/blob/master/src/hacks.js
21:54 < nmz787> p.s. i didn't actually read tht regex carefully
21:54 < nmz787> i just copied it and tested it
21:54 <@kanzure> i am sure it will burn my house down
22:03 < nmz787> so in the real ieee explore page, the download pdf link just links to some stamp.jsp line
22:04 <@kanzure> yeah it seems to go abstract page with a "pdf" link -> stamp.js with an iframe -> iframe possibly has the pdf file itself
22:05 <@kanzure> erm, stmp.jsp
22:05 <@kanzure> stamp.. can't type :(
22:08 < nmz787> here <meta name="citation_pdf_url"
22:08 < nmz787> the .pdf is right there
22:08 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/654cc26b966e3b196430516f522b9001
22:10 <@kanzure> yes, but for some reason that's not what IEEE Xplore.js is looking at
22:10 <@kanzure> https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/IEEE%20Xplore.js
22:11 <@kanzure> they seem to be using http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/downloadCitations
22:11 <@kanzure> maybe that should just be thrown out
22:13 < nmz787> well i found that link in the raw dump that paperbot or whatever spit out
22:14 <@kanzure> looking at the history of that file, it seems that nobody was ever in charge of it really; just random accumulated fixes. so redoing it is probably worthwhile.
22:14 <@kanzure> yeah
22:14 < nmz787> sooo, how do I edit that and test it?
22:14 <@kanzure> i haven't set that up. right now i just git pull and recompile translation-server when i want to test an update to that file.
22:15 <@kanzure> if you have firefox, you can test the js file by using the zotero extension
22:16 < nmz787> you mean the translator?
22:16 <@kanzure> yes.
22:16 < nmz787> i'm not sure what I would even add
22:17 <@kanzure> well.. it's a bit of work, i didn't think you would want to do it
22:17 <@kanzure> http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/how_to_write_a_zotero_translator_plusplus
22:18 <@kanzure> much of this text is bullshit and you can just copy another translator that works, like the nature one
22:22 < nmz787> where is the raw dump getting saved?
22:22 <@kanzure> in here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/
22:23 < nmz787> i mean code-wise
22:23 <@kanzure> zotero translators just extract metadata from a page. translation-server makes it so that i don't have to run firefox. paperbot makes it so that it downloads the pdf from the metadata that translation-server returns.
22:24 <@kanzure> here's where the pdf is finally downloaded from the remote server https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L71
22:24 < nmz787> soo raw dump is getting passed to paperbot?
22:24 <@kanzure> a url is being passed to paperbot
22:25 < nmz787> but does paperdump get that raw dump
22:25 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/654cc26b966e3b196430516f522b9001
22:25 < nmz787> who saves that
22:25 < nmz787> zotero or paperbot
22:25 <@kanzure> paperbot saves that here (as a backup, it's better than not doing anything at all) https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L142
22:25 <@kanzure> in download_url
22:26 < nmz787> can't we just regex for the .pdf i found in there and save it?
22:26 <@kanzure> paperbot only does that when zotero fails to do an interesting thing
22:26 <@kanzure> possibly, but how would you get the title?
22:26 < nmz787> k, so add an if .pdf in
22:26 < nmz787> oh
22:27 <@kanzure> some pdfs have the title inside the pdf file itself
22:27 <@kanzure> but not all. because some publishers hate us.
22:28 <@kanzure> and maybe the title isn't important.
22:28 < nmz787> can you tell where in the translator it's returning that 501?
22:28 <@kanzure> http 501 happens when zotero says "No translators available"
22:29 <@kanzure> a few moments ago it said:
22:29 <@kanzure> zotero(3)(+0000000): Translators: Looking for translators for http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/how_to_write_a_zotero_translator_plusplus
22:29 < nmz787> wait, but the .js /does/ exist
22:29 <@kanzure> zotero(5)(+0000001): HTTP/1.0 501 Method Not Implemented
22:29 < nmz787> ok lemme look at that
22:30 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261
22:30 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c6371daffcba15f114402e0d72166b3d
22:30 <@kanzure> that's 500 not 501.. 500 is "oh shit something exploded" (in this case, the thing that paperbot issue #5 is talking about)
22:31 <@kanzure> isn't javascript wonderful
22:31 < nmz787> :P
22:31 < nmz787> /s/501/500/
22:31 < nmz787> :D
22:33 < nmz787> so what's 500
22:33 < nmz787> i mean, if the .js is there
22:33 < nmz787> where's it being signalled from?
22:35 <@kanzure> http 500 and http 501 are the http status codes from translation-server
22:35 <@kanzure> here's what translation server is complaining about for http 500:
22:35 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/5#issuecomment-12133382
22:36 < nmz787> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261
22:36 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/92f4ab157cc6fed1067f6b7800a821da
22:36 < nmz787> paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html
22:36 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/396aef7979855d47559f306d7c379f9
22:36 < nmz787> ahh
22:36 < nmz787> that's where i got confused
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23:40 <@kanzure> M-f and M-b on bash is really useful
23:42 <@kanzure> "Dear Shareholder, Mesoblast Limited today released an announcement entitled ‘Mesoblast’s Neofuse Stem Cell product shows positive Results in Phase 2 Lumbar Spinal Fusion Trial’.". hrmm.
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