--- Log opened Sat Jan 12 00:00:28 2013
00:00 < JayDugger> Oh, my.
00:02 <@kanzure> http://ia601205.us.archive.org/25/items/UsaV.AaronSwartz-CriminalDocument53/UsaV.AaronSwartz-CriminalDocument53.pdf
00:06 < JayDugger> "Both MIT and JSTOR were required to expend significant resources to respond to Swartz's unlawful access to their systems"?
00:06 < JayDugger> Does that sort of bullshit stand up in trial? Good enough for an indictment, apparently.
00:07 < JayDugger> "damage affecting at least 10 protected computers?" wtf?
00:09 < superkuh> For the feds "damage" means you inconvenienced someone who was technically ignorant.
00:10 < JayDugger> How does MIT count as technically ignorant?
00:10 < superkuh> "Both MIT and JSTOR were required to expend significant resources to respond to Swartz's unlawful access to their systems"
00:12 <@kanzure> https://github.com/aaronsw?tab=activity
00:12 <@kanzure> what was most alarming to me about that document was that alec resnick and quinn norton squealed on him
00:12 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5046940
00:13 <@kanzure> i've hung out with alec and i think i've met with quinn; i've certainly emailed with both of them before.
00:13 <@kanzure> also that alec had a partial fingerprint on the laptop.
00:14 < superkuh> Resisting a Grand Jury is hard.
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00:14 <@kanzure> i haven't tried
00:15 < JayDugger> May you never have the need.
00:17 < JayDugger> Did JSTOR actually block IP addresses as the document claims?
00:18 < JayDugger> Did they actually block all of MIT?
00:18 <@kanzure> publishers do that from time to time when something is going wrong
00:18 < JayDugger> Sure, but did they?
00:19 < JayDugger> I can search it for myself, but do you remember if that happened?
00:20 <@kanzure> what do you want? evidence like some ping timeouts?
00:21 <@kanzure> when a publisher blocks a campus, nobody usually mentions it because not having access is almost the norm anyway..
00:21 < JayDugger> No, that's fine. I imagined something like "I remember hearing that happened" or "I remember reading about it at the time."
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00:34 < JayDugger> In which of the documents did you find the statements about Quinn and Resnick?
00:35 <@kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-09-15.log
00:43 <@kanzure> "He posted what appeared to be a suicide note on his blog five years ago, and the police were called.It's still there, but he edited it to change the name to "Alex".http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dying  "
00:53 < JayDugger> All very sad news...
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02:19 <@kanzure> google-chrome crashed while bookmarking all tabs. so much for that!
02:24 < Sanky> firefox managed that pretty well; many many years ago before saving sessions I just bookmarked all tabs, then opened them all the next day
02:25 <@kanzure> yep, i'm using bookmark all tabs as a poor man's session manager
02:25 <@kanzure> there's no reason all tabs shouldn't be stored anyway
02:27 < Sanky> by the way, I'm looking to locate my old browser profiles and compile a full day-to-day browsing history in a readable format
02:27 < joshcryer> Politicians resist grand jury-style questioning on an alarming basis. The simple answer is "I don't know," or "I don't remember."
02:27 < Sanky> somebody must have done that already
02:27 < ElixirVitae> I came here to bring new, but seems you are already on it.
02:27 < ElixirVitae> *s/new/news
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02:30 < ElixirVitae> Sanky, use FEBE for firefox.
02:30 < ElixirVitae> I suppose it can do that.
02:30 < ElixirVitae> Not sure though.
02:31 < Sanky> cool, iirc firefox used sqlite for everything though so I was just going to dig into that
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09:09 < HEx2> holy fuck. </Aaron>
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10:02 <@kanzure> huh, will ware worked with him.
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11:06 < abetusk> kanzure, you use brl-cad and not blender for modeling?
11:07 <@kanzure> for cad projects, i vastly prefer brlcad over blender
11:07 <@kanzure> when i'm making movies, i use blender.
11:11 <@kanzure> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/22/academic-publishing-monopoly-challenged
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11:21 <@kanzure> http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2013/01/12/aaron-swartz/
11:21 <@kanzure> "I haven’t seen Swartz since those early Reddit days but he would sometimes email me to correct mistakes in my Weblog. Sometimes the mistakes were typos."
11:21 <@kanzure> "At other times the mistakes, in Swartz’s view, were mental. In response to my “Economy Recovery Plan” of November 2008, Swartz wrote “Wow, this article is so ignorant of basic economics it deserves another email.”"
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11:30 <@kanzure> and he specified sbp as his executor (the guy who wrote phenny) http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/continuity
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11:58 <@kanzure> the court documents from 2011-2012 show that aaronsw transferred his collection to an unidentified server in china, so.. you know. treasure hunt.
11:58 <@kanzure> lost pirate treasure
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12:28 <@kanzure> oh that makes much more sense. quinn was in a relationship with him. i always wondered why she was mentioned in the court proceedings.
12:28 <@kanzure> http://www.quinnnorton.com/said/?p=644
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13:33 <@kanzure> Humean: hello
13:34 < Humean> howdy kanzure
13:36 <@kanzure> what brings you this way?
13:36 < Humean> found the channel in the log where you quote about inducements
13:36 < Humean> thought it sounds like a cool place to lurk
13:36 < Humean> hope that's ok
13:37 <@kanzure> yep. see /topic etc. etc.
13:38 < juri_> i enjoy lurking here. helps me keep my crazy ideas a little more in the realm of sane.
13:38 < Humean> sounds about right
13:39 < brownies> i'm just here for the glowing cats. i have dibs on the first one.
13:45 < chris_99> hehe
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14:08 <@kanzure> "Not only that but the actual trespassing charge was dropped. So it wasn't even part of the case."
14:10 < nmz787> i thought quinn was a guy's name
14:10 < yashgaroth> I've seen both
14:10 < nmz787> i almost thought he was gay for a sec
14:19 <@kanzure> fenn used to live with quinn i think, maybe?
14:19 <@kanzure> at langton i mean.
14:31 <@fenn> she appears for a month every six months or so
14:31 <@fenn> and her orbiting satellite
15:04 < juri_> https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6554331
15:04 < juri_> the accademic papers you were hunting for.
15:05 <@kanzure> nope, that's just one journal
15:05 <@kanzure> jstor has many journals
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15:14 < nmz787> is a tricorder just a video camera for life?
15:14 <@kanzure> damn, google chrome is crashing each time i save all tabs as bookmarks. i wonder what's wrong.
15:14 < nmz787> like a neck chain security cam?
15:22 < joehot> kanzure: chrome is supposed to save tabs on crash
15:22 < joehot> unless youre not crashing
15:22 < joehot> but saving all tabs as bookmarks might be a reliable way to crash
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15:23 < eudoxia> kanz
15:23 < eudoxia> if you just close the window the tabs will be automatically saved on the "recently closed" list
15:23 < eudoxia> so when you fire up chrome again there should be an entry labeled "n Tabs"
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15:43 <@fenn> "I ask that the contents of all my hard drives be made publicly available from aaronsw.com"
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15:47 < juri_> if only licensing worked that way.
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16:13 <@fenn> kanzure: for what it's worth, quinn has told me not to tell her anything sensitive because of how many times she has been indicted
16:14 <@fenn> i thought we had some kind of law protecting journalists from revealing their sources
16:16 <@fenn> er, not indicted, subpoenaed (bleh)
16:16 < yashgaroth> yeah it's a lot easier to catch people when they think they won't get caught
16:23 < nmz787> how do i line count for whole dir?
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16:26 <@fenn> nmz787: ls | wc -l ?
16:26 <@fenn> or cat * | wc -l
16:36 <@fenn> "I frequently have a mad desire to move to wooden shack and become a Debian developer. Imagine my delight when I discovered that one of my favourite Debian developers really does live in a cabin in the woods. Is ending up in a shack really that bad, if you never have to feel lonely?"
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16:52 < nmz787> kanzure: none of those portland contacts responded to my email to them
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17:17 < AlonzoTG> I'm a stalkee?!?!?!?
17:24 <@kanzure> eudoxia: i don't want tabs to be saved as a session. when chrome starts i only want one window with no tabs.
17:24 <@kanzure> fenn: yes, that's worth something, thanks for letting me know
17:25 <@kanzure> also, i met a debian developer in a shack once when i went to canada.
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17:42 < nmz787> kanzure: where is the most recent carson price plot?
17:42 < nmz787> carlson*
17:44 <@kanzure> nmz787: somewhere in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/
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19:00 < strangewarp> haha, someone just told me to stop associating with anyone who was friends with Aaron Swartz, so they don't frame me for hacking
19:01 < strangewarp> the people who were his friends, I mean
19:01 < strangewarp> that is slightly ludicrous. why do I know so many clueless people
19:02 < strangewarp> oh whoops I just realized I phrased that badly. The person is afraid Swartz's friends would frame me for something, because they're a clueless person.
19:03 < strangewarp> and I thought that was ridiculous.
19:46 <@kanzure> oh right, i bet most people think he was a dangerous hax0r
19:46 < strangewarp> seems that way
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21:32 <@kanzure> haha mit blew up http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5049680
21:34 < yashgaroth> "the downfall of MIT as an amazing place, outside bio/biotech" ehhhh
21:37 <@kanzure> the only place at mit i keep hearing about is csail or cba
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21:56 < ThomasEgi> gnachtiii
21:56 < ThomasEgi> wrong tab
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23:29 <@kanzure> ah yes a religion for my inner archivist http://kopimism.org/ (blah blah blah, copy all the bytes)
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23:34 < joshcryer> I suspect Aaron's death will result in some folks taking what he did to a super high level and we'll the the freed archive we've been wanting.
23:35 <@kanzure> jstor has only a small fraction of everything though
23:35 <@kanzure> i guess you didn't say jstor
23:35 <@kanzure> so okay
23:36  * joshcryer pats kanzure on the head
23:36 < joehot> i suspect they would use that as evidence that anyone supporting the cause is a terrorist
23:37 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Ciao a tutti!]
23:37 < joshcryer> I must admit that the attention span of hacktivists could be too short for them to do it since we're talking a pretty decent sized effort. It's a nice thought in any event...
23:37 <@kanzure> well, we were working on a thing to do that for a while
23:37 <@kanzure> until people in here stopped contributing
23:38 <@kanzure> next version will involve mobile proxies
23:39 < joshcryer> I've mused about it here before. But I wouldn't do something like that with collaborators.
23:39 <@kanzure> it's a pretty big task
23:39 <@kanzure> to get all the metadata and papers on your own would be fairly hard to pull off
23:40 <@kanzure> about 200 different publishers, so you'd need to write scrapers for each of those
23:40 <@kanzure> and ultimately you're grabbing 50 million articles, so you need a few tens of terabytes to toss around (not that big a deal)
23:40 <@kanzure> and then you need to do this all anonymously without tipping your hand.. this part is more difficult.
23:40 < joshcryer> Fair enough.
23:40 <@kanzure> the other problem is that as you add contributors to that operation you increase the likelihood of a privacy violation almost geometrically with each new member
23:41 < joshcryer> That is my concern right there.
23:41 <@kanzure> or perhaps worse than geometrically
23:42 <@kanzure> i suppose it should be possible for a single person to do
23:42 < joehot> what if everyone were a contributor
23:42 <@kanzure> well you would have to tell them the domain name that the server is running on
23:42 <@kanzure> and then someone could trace that back to whoever registered it, or who is accessing it, etc.
23:43 <@kanzure> or not even a domain name, of course
23:44 < joshcryer> I think you'd want a distributed searchable application which would be the most difficult part. It could run on the mobile proxies that you'd have installed and whose use for scraping is pretty much over with.
23:44 <@kanzure> why is distributed searching important?
23:44 <@kanzure> just release it all at once
23:45 < joshcryer> Sure, you could drop a torrent somewhere.
23:46 <@kanzure> i don't see what distributed searching has to do with it though
23:46 <@kanzure> maybe i'm just bad at web development?
23:46 < joshcryer> I think it would be useful.
23:47 < joshcryer> Obviously a central website can be taken down and a torrent of that size is not going to be easy to seed and a central server can be raided.
23:49 <@kanzure> and "distributed search" is .. i just don't see why you're talking about search. who cares? just grab it all.
23:51 < joshcryer> I guess I'm appealing to an inner desire for something to have more function than simply an archive.
23:52 <@kanzure> ah. well. someone else should take the data and then make applications on top of it.
23:52 <@kanzure> but the important thing is the data itself first.
23:52 < joshcryer> True enough.
23:56 < joshcryer> I need a good Canadian proxy.
23:56 < joshcryer> I miss the days of the mid 90s where you could get a good SOCKS proxy trivally.
23:57 < joshcryer> (I'm too cheap to pay for VPN)
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