--- Log opened Wed Jan 16 00:00:32 2013 00:15 < nmz787> fenn: you around? 00:15 < nmz787> fenn: ever see this http://www.rexresearch.com/index.htm 00:20 < juri_> gah. 00:21 < juri_> i can't walk away from my terminal and come back, without tripping on another bloody security vulnerability. 00:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=2748d54b Bryan Bishop: attempt pdfs when zotero fails me 00:21 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 00:21 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-16 08:21:28) 00:23 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=723b9f18 Bryan Bishop: make paperbot less verbose 00:23 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 00:23 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-16 08:23:31) 00:30 < nmz787> kanzure: what are the alt libgen.info? 00:31 <@kanzure> http://libgen.net/ 00:31 < nmz787> the 'get' button gives me some weird message on .info 00:32 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=b1dcaf0e Bryan Bishop: fix title encoding for another pdf case 00:32 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 00:32 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-16 08:32:01) 00:34 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/337/6096/816.abstract 00:34 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20Programmable%20Dual-RNAGuided%20DNA%20Endonuclease%20in%20Adaptive%20Bacterial%20Immunity.pdf 00:34 <@kanzure> 99 academic publishers on the wall, take one down pass it around. 00:36 < nmz787> :P 00:37 <@kanzure> http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/01/07/mnras.sts497.full 00:38 <@kanzure> oh oops 00:39 <@kanzure> in this case it doesn't download the pdf because it doesn't recognize mnras.oxfordjournals.org as a publisher (because the pdf downloader backup is really only a failsafe that works when paperbot is explicitly asked) 00:39 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/01/07/mnras.sts497.full 00:39 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20structure%20in%20the%20early%20Universe%20at%20z%20%201.3%20that%20exceeds%20the%20homogeneity%20scale%20of%20the%20R-W%20concordance%20cosmology.pdf 00:41 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:44 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=7c50bdba Bryan Bishop: better case handling for find_citation_pdf_url 00:44 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 00:44 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:44 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-16 08:44:01) 00:44 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00010a034 00:44 < paperbot> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'encode' (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 161, in download_url) 00:45 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=751cb9fe Bryan Bishop: don't encode the title until later 00:45 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 00:45 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-16 08:45:23) 00:45 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00010a034 00:45 < paperbot> Exception: problem with citation_pdf_url or citation_title (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 170, in download_url) 00:46 < nmz787> sebastian cocioba just told me NY has a Recombinant DNA law 00:46 < nmz787> "Maryland and New York have adopted the NIH guidelines as state law. quoted from a pdf on the subject" 00:47 < nmz787> said to google New York State Recombinant DNA Experimentation Certification 00:49 < nmz787> since 1982 MD and NY have adopted NIH guidelines as state law http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1668&context=ealr 00:49 < nmz787> "Maryland and New York have adopted the NIH guidelines as state law. See MD. ANN. CODE 00:49 < nmz787> art. 43, 898-910 (1980); N.Y. PUB. HEALTH LAW 3220 (McKinney Supp. 1981-82)." 00:49 -!- Humean [~quassel@unaffiliated/humean] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=191f00ad Bryan Bishop: fix some bugs for pubs.acs.org 00:55 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 00:55 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-16 08:55:23) 00:58 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=9c7da548 Bryan Bishop: fix xpath syntax 00:58 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 00:58 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-16 08:58:09) 00:58 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00010a034 00:58 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Evidence%20for%20the%20absence%20of%20amino%20acid%20isomerization%20in%20microwave-heated%20milk%20and%20infant%20formulas.pdf 00:59 <@kanzure> well. the error message doesn't really make sense in this case. 01:04 < nmz787> http://w3.health.state.ny.us/dbspace/NYCRR10.nsf/11fb5c7998a73bcc852565a1004e9f87/8525652c00680c3e8525652c00700fa9?OpenDocument 01:04 < nmz787> Effective Date: NULL 01:05 < nmz787> paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/blr.1982.1.188 01:05 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fa8040ba5be7a5576797d7cc5f8f3fae.txt 01:05 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/blr.1982.1.188 01:05 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7332f6a02d437d4ef7ba175b81bb32ec.txt 01:06 <@kanzure> no access 01:08 < nmz787> checking through UMB 01:10 -!- Guest65773 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:15 -!- Charlie_ [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:19 -!- Charlie_ [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:31 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5064654 01:31 <@kanzure> ""Does anyone have any insight as to why people that code CSS complain about it so much?"" 01:31 <@kanzure> "This is a much deeper question, but one that I think is far more informative. Having done front-end engineering for 10 years, across industries, and in very pricey and exclusive consultancies, I have never found another engineer who had read the bulk of the CSS spec, or even a book about it, for that matter." 01:31 <@kanzure> "Developers, the ones with the mind and experience to bring technical discipline to CSS and create a set of idiomatic patterns (both low-level and high-level), treat CSS as a second-rate citizen." 01:32 <@kanzure> "The remaining portion of the userbase are equally non-technical hobbyists." 01:32 <@kanzure> "This is the real problem of CSS. Those that have the mindset to devise idiomatic conventions to the community don't think the language is worth it. At best, you have semi-experienced developers duct-taping various non-idiomatic ideas together and giving it a fancy name." 01:43 <@kanzure> does anyone have a copy of the jstor charter/constitution? 01:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:51 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:59 < juri_> i don't mind css. i would have prefered everyone standardized on xslt, but... 02:01 < nmz787> kanzure you awake? 02:02 <@kanzure> yes 02:02 <@kanzure> sort of 02:07 -!- Charlie_ [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:13 * kanzure sleeps 03:00 -!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@203.105.94.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:28 -!- cathalgarvey [~cathalgar@109.106.100.197] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:30 < cathalgarvey> http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0192415X05002795 - 2005 - "Effect of Eucommia ulmoides on Systolic Blood Pressure in the Spontaneous Hypertensive Rat" 03:31 < cathalgarvey> (Pardon me while I test this paper-bot witchcraft) 03:41 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:42 < archels> paperbot: http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0192415X05002795 03:42 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bc1e94ffac6fcdac941d0bf390097344.txt 03:43 < archels> (I think that means it doesn't have access) 03:44 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 03:44 < cathalgarvey> Well played, paperbot. 03:44 < cathalgarvey> Thanks archels, usage is "paperbot: link", then? 03:45 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00253-011-3613-8 - 2012 - "Structure identification and fermentation characteristics of pinoresinol diglucoside produced by Phomopsis sp. isolated from Eucommia ulmoides Oliv" 03:45 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Structure%20identification%20and%20fermentation%20characteristics%20of%20pinoresinol%20diglucoside%20produced%20by%20Phomopsis%20sp.%20isolated%20from%20Eucommia%20ulmoides%20Oliv.pdf 03:47 < cathalgarvey> Awesome! 03:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:54 < gene_hacker> how long do you think we'll be able to keep paperbot a secret? 03:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:00 < cathalgarvey> I gotta say.. 04:00 < cathalgarvey> I think it's a bit reckless to respond to "Prosecutor drives hacker to suicide over downloading paywalled articles" with "Provide means to download paywalled articles using my real name, on a heavily trafficked mailing list". 04:01 < cathalgarvey> I think anyone going down the "Let a thousand Aaron Swartzs' bloom!" route should consider creating architectures that scrape, aggregate, disseminate or accept submissions through Tor. 04:01 < cathalgarvey> Given that most scrapers I've seen use some level of Javascript, 04:02 < cathalgarvey> I suggest that the bridging software be named "JSTOR" 04:02 < cathalgarvey> Credit for that terrible yet faith-restoring pun belongs with a friend of mine, I should add, not me. 04:03 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:05 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 < nsh> cathalgarvey, yup 04:05 < nsh> that's the plan i think 04:06 < nsh> or part of the plan 04:09 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-55-104.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 < eudoxia> well the logs here are public 04:10 < eudoxia> so keeping paperbot a secret, well 04:10 < eudoxia> no 04:10 < cathalgarvey> That's what I meant; obviously people will set up secret paperbots, or anonymous paperbots.. but this one is clearly attributable 04:10 < cathalgarvey> Are IRC logs kept on this channel? 04:10 < eudoxia> gnusha.org/logs 04:11 < eudoxia> also that mailing list, science-liberation-front, IANAL but isn't it kinda risky to discuss those things under your real name? 04:11 < cathalgarvey> I wonder does the fifth amendment over there apply to your self-incriminating IRC logs.. 04:11 < gene_hacker> yeah springer's probably going to find out one day 04:11 < eudoxia> conspiracy to commit grand larceny? 04:11 * eudoxia goes back to watching law and order 04:12 < gene_hacker> I think I'll stick to google scholar for now 04:14 * eudoxia will get deported for comitting a patch to paperbot 04:15 < eudoxia> (future-deported, over a future, hypothetical patch) 04:15 < cathalgarvey> I imagine git works through tor if you're concerned, but it's not the software design that gets you in trouble anyway 04:15 < cathalgarvey> it's deployment 04:16 < cathalgarvey> For example, the software they're discussing on SLF is designed for academics to scrape their own citations, but can easily be used for paperbot (and seemingly is) 04:16 < cathalgarvey> the devs of that software won't get in trouble. The person who deploys it for unauthorised but worthy readers will get in trouble 04:16 < eudoxia> brilliant 04:17 < cathalgarvey> Likewise, talking about this stuff isn't illegal, hence my comfort being here under my own name! 04:19 < eudoxia> re:the tor scraper, i suggest JS-TOR to avoid legal problems 04:20 < eudoxia> tor.js is probably taken by that js implementation of tor 04:21 * archels wonders who's paying for diyhpl.us' bandwidth 04:26 < cathalgarvey> Took me a while to find that: http://www.jcore.fr/ 04:27 < cathalgarvey> Ah, wait: https://github.com/Ayms/node-Tor 04:27 < cathalgarvey> First link was just a JS news site 04:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:33 -!- do3nn2er2n [~do3nn2ern@adsl-99-128-240-254.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34 -!- do3nn2er2n [~do3nn2ern@adsl-99-128-240-254.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:46 < eleitl> I don't see how discussion is illegal. 04:47 < eleitl> I also don't see how releasing code is illegal, though you can still use pseudonyms, of course, as a matter of good practice. 04:49 < eleitl> eudoxia, link to tor.js? 04:50 < eleitl> https://github.com/Ayms/node-Tor ? 04:50 < eudoxia> yes 04:50 < eudoxia> tor.js would've been a much better name but what do i know 04:50 < eleitl> Indeed. 04:51 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:51 < eleitl> I'm very impressed with your all activity, by the way. Major kudos. 04:52 < eudoxia> you mean this channel or the wiki? 04:52 < eleitl> the group around this channel 04:52 < eleitl> I haven't seen the wiki yet 04:52 < eudoxia> well there's http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ 04:52 < eleitl> People who kick ass are rare. 04:53 < eudoxia> also, what do you think about this list of cryopatients i compiled http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Cryonics#Patients 04:53 < Mariu> nice 04:54 < eleitl> Great work. I'll send it to Mike. 04:55 * eudoxia faints, hits the ground too hard, develops a subdural hematoma and dies 04:56 * eleitl fetches ice and begins with cooling 05:05 -!- cathalgarvey [~cathalgar@109.106.100.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:07 -!- cathalgarvey [~cathalgar@46.22.211.242] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:11 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:13 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- do3nn2er2n [~do3nn2ern@adsl-99-128-240-254.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38 -!- do3nn2er2n [~do3nn2ern@adsl-99-128-240-254.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- cathalgarvey [~cathalgar@46.22.211.242] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 06:01 -!- JayDugger [~duggerjw@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 < audy> hey kanzure 06:58 -!- yorick [~yorick@vredebest.xs4all.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:58 -!- yorick [~yorick@vredebest.xs4all.nl] has quit [Changing host] 06:58 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:08 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:25 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:25 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-55-104.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: lunch] 08:12 -!- EnLilaSko- is now known as EnLilaSko 08:12 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has quit [Changing host] 08:12 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-55-104.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:35 -!- xx [u8060@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nkfiidhdgqmqvhqw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:44 -!- xx [uid8060@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwwwbvilfiegyudr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- Hu_Meanan [~quassel@199.48.197.18] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:00 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-55-104.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:02 <@kanzure> you guys have grown enormous vaginas over the past week, since when is discussion and theorizing and coding illegal? 10:03 <@kanzure> like, you could drive a 787 through those vaginas 10:03 < chido> ... 10:03 <@kanzure> chido: not you :) 10:03 < chido> :) 10:04 <@kanzure> chido: in the us, a common derogatory is to call someone a pussy, so i called them a vagina. 10:07 < nmz787> wow 10:07 < chido> I was just confused what prompted you to do it; not as much by the meaning 10:07 * chido reads the logs now 10:08 <@kanzure> well, it was the immediately preceding conversation 10:10 < chido> it's been a few hours since; and I just got here :) 10:11 < ParahSailin> who's being cowardly? 10:13 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=01a8225c Bryan Bishop: add diybio-seattle people 10:20 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e7cf3de5 Bryan Bishop: add anchors for links 10:25 < archels> damn, this guy publishes a lot http://www.kyb.mpg.de/nc/employee/details/nikos.html#=3 10:29 <@kanzure> http://onlinebioreactor.org/ 10:37 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39 <@kanzure> audy: yes? 10:41 < nmz787> kanzure: is there a way to keyword search archive/wayback? 10:41 < audy> kanzure does your bot just search for a link to a pdf file and download it? 10:42 <@kanzure> nmz787: no 10:42 <@kanzure> audy: no, it's based on a few other tools 10:42 <@kanzure> audy: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 10:42 <@kanzure> audy: https://github.com/zotero/translators 10:42 <@kanzure> audy: https://github.com/zotero/translation-server 10:43 <@kanzure> underscor: actually, you would probably be better suited to answer nmz787's question about the wayback machine and search (above). 10:53 <@kanzure> "Are you interested in trying to fix/hack a FACSCalibur flow cytometer? I have one that's missing the driver software and the interface card." 10:54 < balrog> nmz787: keyword search? not really 10:55 < balrog> you can keyword search against the url if you know the hostname, that's about it 10:55 < balrog> http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/hostname/* 11:17 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 < archels> who is neuroskeptic? 11:36 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:36 <@kanzure> delinquentme: how would you like to fix a FACSCalibur flow cytometer? no interface card. 11:37 < delinquentme> hah 11:37 < delinquentme> do you have one? 11:37 < delinquentme> and so I'd be wire sharking everything? 11:37 <@kanzure> phil goetz has one and he's asking around for anyone interested 11:37 < delinquentme> $? 11:37 < delinquentme> phree? 11:40 < ParahSailin> ill take it 11:42 * delinquentme thumb wrestles ParahSailin 11:42 < delinquentme> does you oscilloscope? 11:42 <@kanzure> no thumb wrestling 11:42 <@kanzure> the traditional way to decide this is a pipette battle to the death 11:42 < chris_99> heh 11:42 <@kanzure> or a pipetting contest 11:42 < ParahSailin> where is the thing located 11:43 <@kanzure> near jcvi 11:43 <@kanzure> Up close and personal: Alan Charning, UK PostDoc. World renowned pipette pro. His presence on any team is enough to titrate fear in the hearts of his opponents. 11:43 <@kanzure> Merely having him at the lab bench has propelled the austere labs of Cambridge into a force to be reckoned with in the global pro-am wetlab circuit. 11:43 <@kanzure> Swimming 2 miles every day, pumping through massive volumes of treacle syrup to increase training friction, performing hundreds of arm rep lifts per day, 11:43 <@kanzure> and consuming the highlights of the world's literature cell biology output well into the night makes for little time for his wife, Brit, and their son, Watson, and daughter, Sabine. 11:44 <@kanzure> As he prepares for his date with destiny this summer in Beijing, Alan understand the kind of expectations physicists, chemists, and biologists have heaped upon him. The bust of Cavendish that sits on his desk and the picture of Fleming on the wall remind him of the titans who preceded him. 11:44 <@kanzure> Little did they know that one day, endorsement deals with Van Heusen, Dockers, and VWR Scientific would one day be the prizes of their intellectual progeny. 11:44 <@kanzure> Some called it frivolous when Charning halted his cancer research career peers felt would eventually lead to a Nobel prize to instead perfect his legendary pipetting skills. His gold medal performance in the 3 liter medley in Oslo in 2005, 3 medals in the Helsinki Invitational in 2006, and, finally, the world record in dispensing over 3000 separate samples in a time of 5:02:03954 last year, 11:44 <@kanzure> shattering Professor Jan Gulbricks of the Netherlands time by a massive 5 hundeths of a second, made his appearance on this years UK team a slam-dunk. 11:44 <@kanzure> Wen asked what drives him onward, Alan adjusted his thick glasses, fumbled a bit with the glass tube in his hand, and cleared his throat. Tears welled in his eyes. 11:44 <@kanzure> "My personal hero was Jesse Owens. In my own way, I'm doing my part to let the world know that Lab Science can be as rewarding as any other Olympic sport. We can create life on a competitive playing field and send it crawling off when we're done. The spoils don't go to the victors but to the storm drains that surround the venues we compete in. We're changing the world. I'm honored to be a part of it." 11:48 < nmz787> kanzure: where is the FACS? 11:48 <@kanzure> near jcvi 11:48 < nmz787> there is some good shit in there that I would like 11:48 < nmz787> oh 11:48 < nmz787> screw that 11:48 < nmz787> tell those maryland diybio ppl 11:48 < nmz787> genoblast 11:49 < nmz787> i think that name is defunct now 11:49 <@kanzure> buggssss or something 11:49 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups#baltimore 11:50 <@kanzure> bugss. 11:50 < delinquentme> ERMAGERD 11:50 < delinquentme> where cake 11:50 <@kanzure> http://www.bugssonline.org/ 11:51 < delinquentme> ferncy 11:51 < ParahSailin> dolan? 11:53 < delinquentme> hahah 11:57 < chris_99> i'm making an electronic hydrometer, http://openhydrometer.com/about if anyones got any suggestions that'd be cool :) 12:02 < delinquentme> wort 12:03 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 < chris_99> tasty stuff ;) 12:05 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:07 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:11 < nmz787> an instrument 100 times more powerful could do the same thing 12:11 < nmz787> why not spend 100 times more time to help me build one of those? 12:11 < chris_99> such as, spectroscopy? 12:11 < nmz787> :D 12:11 < chris_99> i'm not spending £1600 on a sensor :P 12:12 * nmz787 is kindof a science attentionfreak 12:12 <@kanzure> you should just tell jules that you're doing it in haskell and he'll do everything for you within 24 hours 12:12 < nmz787> nah it would be like $800-1200 USD for a raman spectroscopy setup 12:12 < chris_99> does that do ~2um? 12:13 < nmz787> done 12:13 < nmz787> nah, that's a diff but similar sensor 12:13 < nmz787> not $10 CCD, maybe $200 12:14 < nmz787> i can't remember if that alibaba company ever got back to me 12:14 < chris_99> you can't use CCDs for alcohol 12:14 < chris_99> or CMOS 12:14 < chris_99> hence the £1600 12:14 < nmz787> http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/244326677/Focal_Plane_Arrays.html 12:15 < nmz787> raman is pretty crazy in that it uses laser to grab a fingerprint 12:15 < chris_99> still not long enough um though 12:15 < delinquentme> nmz787, you didnt answer the question on all the lense work ! 12:15 < nmz787> chris_99: ethanol? 12:15 < delinquentme> essentially you've got these lenses to correct for the distortion of the prism .. and re-linearize the spectrum? 12:16 < nmz787> delinquentme: no 12:16 < chris_99> mm, nmz787 it's around 2um that you need to look at iirc 12:16 < nmz787> delinquentme: mirrors 12:16 < nmz787> chris_99: ethanol is what you're interested in? 12:16 < chris_99> yes 12:17 <@kanzure> nmz787: it would be nice if you could do a writeup at some point of where you got stuck on that project, or where it is curerently 12:17 <@kanzure> because i keep forgetting 12:17 <@kanzure> optics? 12:18 -!- strangewarp [~Christian@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:19 < nmz787> chris_99: see fig 9 http://www.perkinelmer.com/Content/ApplicationNotes/APP_RamanAnalysisTthrougGlassPolymerAqueous.pdf 12:20 < chris_99> hmm what i read said there was a trough at around 2um i thought 12:20 < nmz787> yeah that's absorbance though 12:20 -!- strangewarp [~Christian@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:20 < nmz787> not raman scattering 12:21 < nmz787> kanzure: which openSpectrometer? 12:21 <@kanzure> yours 12:21 <@kanzure> not the public laboratory one 12:21 -!- EnLilaSko- is now known as EnLilaSko 12:21 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has quit [Changing host] 12:21 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- do3nn2er2n [~do3nn2ern@adsl-99-128-240-254.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25 -!- do3nn2er2n [~do3nn2ern@adsl-99-128-240-254.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 <@kanzure> distributed routing of websockets http://blog.dotcloud.com/under-the-hood-dotcloud-http-routing-layer 12:31 <@kanzure> ios debugging http://shopify.github.com/superdb/ 12:33 < nmz787> kanzure: yeah i stopped a year ago beacause of classes 12:34 < nmz787> kanzure: i got a bit stuck because i don't know where to get the best mount for the grating 12:34 < nmz787> i was building one in sketchup for the makerbot 12:34 < nmz787> but i thought why prototype with this if it's not the best material 12:34 < nmz787> i might try my hand at it again though 12:35 < nmz787> unless jblake can help 12:35 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/2984263.pdf 12:35 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ebf5b63f9921fb575d0c1ec184588aea.txt 12:36 <@kanzure> hmm that one might require cookies? 12:36 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/2984263.pdf?acceptTC=true 12:36 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/dcc215f1e6e848487c859acf29fab769.pdf 12:36 < ParahSailin> derptastic 12:36 <@kanzure> yeah that one worked 12:36 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2984263 12:37 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7ea2217596b5bb2ff55af679de9088a2.txt 12:37 <@kanzure> oh. 12:37 <@kanzure> the zotero translator for jstor is broken? 12:39 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/362448.pdf?acceptTC=true 12:39 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6047313d4f920220db95e2f4fc02ec27.pdf 12:45 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13 -!- yash-phone [~yaaic@66-87-7-194.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 < yash-phone> kanzure which jcvi is the facs near? apparently there's twp 13:14 < yash-phone> two* 13:15 < yash-phone> and if it's the la jolla one we could totally snag it for the diybio lab 13:16 <@kanzure> he just sent out another email, he paid $1100 for it 13:17 <@kanzure> not sure what the going rate on it is 13:17 <@kanzure> no it's not near la jolla 13:17 < Juul> kanzure, thanks 13:17 <@kanzure> Juul: hm? 13:18 -!- cathalgarvey [~cathalgar@80.79.120.35] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 <@kanzure> cathalgarvey: welcome back 13:19 < Juul> you linked me to the Aaron Swartz hackathon post 13:19 < yash-phone> new ones are 65k apparently 13:19 <@kanzure> Juul: ah. you should join science-liberation-front too. 13:19 < cathalgarvey> @kanzure Hello again! 13:19 < Juul> kanzure, yeah just did :) 13:19 <@kanzure> yash-phone: hm, so i guess it might be worth buying it from him? 13:19 < Juul> hey cathalgarvey 13:20 < yash-phone> depends if they part out the missing pieces, and what the hell we'd use it for 13:20 <@kanzure> yash-phone: well, we know it's missing any sort of computer hookup 13:20 <@kanzure> an entire "interface card" is not present 13:20 <@kanzure> and the device has not been tested or confirmed working 13:20 -!- do3nn2er2n [~do3nn2ern@adsl-99-128-240-254.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20 < yash-phone> that seems important, but presumably it's not the expensive part 13:21 <@kanzure> what is the expensive part anyway? 13:21 < yash-phone> could use it for isolating MSCs from fat I guess 13:21 < yash-phone> lazer probably, also optics and microfluidics 13:23 < yash-phone> whole lotta miniaturized components w/ very tight tolerances 13:25 <@kanzure> well. someone needs to take care of it. 13:25 <@kanzure> where should i tell phil to send it? 13:27 <@kanzure> cathalgarvey: can you update us on what's up? 13:28 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:28 < cathalgarvey> @kanzure: Generally speaking? 13:30 < cathalgarvey> @kanzure: Assuming you're just asking about my end of the DIYbio pond, I'm having a slow year so far for personal/family reasons (nothing serious, just time consuming) 13:30 < cathalgarvey> And more broadly I'm having minor teething issues with a prototype. Largely due to folding 5' UTRs and somehow designing it with an imaginary promoter. 13:31 < cathalgarvey> That's what I get for clicking "order" before even checking if the promoter I copy/pasted even had an effing TATAA box... 13:37 -!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@203.105.94.33] has quit [Quit: wrldpc] 13:37 < ParahSailin> no its just a flow cyte, not a cell sorted < yash-phone> could use it for isolating MSCs from fat I guess 13:38 < ParahSailin> sorter 13:59 <@kanzure> sciencemag.org scraper https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/browse_thread/thread/1877ffc90c13db30 14:04 < balrog> ha, where did this come from? 14:06 <@kanzure> josiah zayner found it on pastebin 14:07 < jrayhawk> it fell off a truck 14:09 < sivoais> similarly 14:09 < sivoais> JSTOR liberator 14:11 < cathalgarvey> Bye all! 14:11 -!- cathalgarvey [~cathalgar@80.79.120.35] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 14:11 <@kanzure> springerlink ebook downloader https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/t/b211b34f4ee5112e 14:11 <@kanzure> sciencedirect ebook downloader https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/t/dc22fec882c5fe2 14:13 < sivoais> Nice mailing list. It is similar to what I'm trying to do with one of my projects. 14:25 <@kanzure> list of ezproxy urls https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/t/8045091d8d755bad 14:28 < sivoais> kanzure: these proxies are open? 14:29 <@kanzure> no 14:29 < sivoais> Ah, OK. 14:32 < sivoais> there may be more proxies that can be extracted through the LibX browser extension. 14:32 <@kanzure> what is libx? 14:32 < sivoais> 14:33 < sivoais> It an extension from Virginia Tech, but they publish special editions for different universities. 14:34 <@kanzure> they um.. seem to be using cvs :( 14:34 <@kanzure> cvs -d :pserver:guest@mozdev.org:/cvs login 14:36 <@kanzure> cathalgarvey had an interesting idea 14:36 <@kanzure> he says instead of paperbot someone should do a twitterbot based on paperbot 14:36 <@kanzure> it would monitor the twitter feeds for pdf requests 14:37 <@kanzure> and then it would download the paper and post it somewhere public 14:37 < sivoais> much like , but automated 14:37 <@kanzure> no, much like paperbot 14:38 < sivoais> well, that subreddit is for requesting papers 14:38 <@kanzure> so what 14:39 < sivoais> Well, one could also automate the response to those requests, just as paperbot does 14:40 <@kanzure> except that reddit is fucking evil 14:40 <@kanzure> heh 14:40 < sivoais> yes, it does not foster the best conversations/communities 14:40 <@kanzure> i don't think reddit is a long term solution for hosting pdfs 14:41 <@kanzure> or for automation 14:41 < sivoais> what do you think about a P2P system? 14:42 <@kanzure> btw could you possibly extract the ezproxy urls from libx? i don't really want to run cvs at the moment. 14:42 < sivoais> I'll give it a go 14:42 <@kanzure> and then submit a pull request to https://github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls ? 14:45 < nmz787> aww i missed cathal 14:45 < balrog> a reddit scraper for that subreddit wouldn't be a bad thing 14:45 <@kanzure> probably not 14:47 < nmz787> so i'm gonna sign up for CMU non-deg reg 14:48 <@kanzure> what are the cmu requirements? 14:48 -!- nmz787 is now known as paperPimp 14:48 < paperPimp> kanzure: not much 14:48 < paperPimp> term, year 14:48 <@kanzure> haha paperpimp 14:48 < paperPimp> course of interest 14:49 < paperPimp> http://www.cmu.edu/hub/registration/non-degree/non-degree-guide.pdf 14:49 < paperPimp> 2nd to last page needs printed and mailed 14:49 <@kanzure> mailed? not even faxed or emailed? 14:50 < jrayhawk> The bookwarez community has historically been reasonably effective. 14:50 <@kanzure> libgen is still only seeded by 1 guy 14:50 <@kanzure> how is that effective? 14:51 < balrog> bookwarez? good luck with an obscure book that vanished when MU died 14:51 < balrog> I've run into that. 14:53 < rigel> MU? 14:54 <@kanzure> i wonder how i can convince people to start a release group 14:54 <@kanzure> release groups used to be glorified 14:54 <@kanzure> mess with the best, die like the rest, and such.. 14:54 <@kanzure> there should be release groups for journals 14:54 <@kanzure> and they should be one-upping each other 14:56 < jrayhawk> ansi art packs and demoscenes can be replaced by TeX and postscript hacks 14:56 < balrog> megaupload 14:59 <@kanzure> megaupload is not a release group 15:00 < balrog> no 15:00 < balrog> I meant that people would post ebooks to megaupload and similar sites and now they're gone 15:00 < balrog> (someone asked what is MU) 15:02 < paperPimp> did anyone mess with that Tyler thing? 15:02 < paperPimp> who here has all JSTOR now? 15:02 <@kanzure> that "tyler" thing was just a retroshare dump of the jstor torrent, which only had 18,000 articles out of millions. 15:03 < rigel> has anyone put the content of these torrents up on usenet binaries? 15:03 < paperPimp> can we use this name to mirror paperbot albeit with a more verbose argument structure? 15:03 < rigel> because if not, someone really should 15:03 <@kanzure> paperPimp: what argument structure do you propose? 15:03 < paperPimp> paperPimp: can you fetch this paper for me big daddy http://www.paperhost.com/best.pdf 15:04 < paperPimp> i guess whatever stuff people say regularly to pimps 15:04 < paperPimp> all i know is the girls call him big daddy 15:04 <@kanzure> rigel: i haven't seen any related usenet activity 15:04 < paperPimp> I learned that from a southpark episode 15:04 <@kanzure> paperPimp: you make for a pretty bad pimp 15:05 < paperPimp> i guess paperpimp should be the name for the campus proxy master 15:05 < paperPimp> since the proxies would be the 'bitches' doing the work in this fantasy 15:05 < balrog> rigel: most people don't have access to usenet thanks to Attorney General Cuomo 15:06 < rigel> please refrain from mapping your misogynist fantasies onto the business of making science more free 15:06 < rigel> kthx 15:06 < rigel> balrog: not so much for people to get from directly 15:06 < rigel> but savvy users who can start their own torrents 15:07 < balrog> ah well yeah 15:07 < rigel> personally, i download all my legal binary content from usenet 15:07 < rigel> most servers have like 3 years worth of retention these days 15:07 < balrog> but that costs subscription fees :/ 15:07 < rigel> $12/mo is less than cable 15:08 < paperPimp> what can you get on there? 15:08 < paperPimp> how does it work? 15:08 < paperPimp> central server somewhere? 15:09 < rigel> no, usenet is a distributed network of nodes originally used for coordinating the department of agriculture's fee payment systems 15:09 < rigel> one of the earliest p2p experiments 15:10 < rigel> in 1992 it was hijacked by a hacker named "captain midnight" and turned into a filesharing operation 15:10 < rigel> at the time there wasn't much to share except text files and credit card numbers 15:10 < rigel> but once mp3s came along, it sort of became the predecessor of friendster 15:11 < rigel> though they were more likely to use sony's ATRAC encoding, which made them a little oddball 15:11 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: warps out] 15:12 < rigel> the command-and-control structure has basically been the prototype for most of the modern botnets though 15:12 < paperPimp> command and control? 15:13 < rigel> youre kind of new to this, huh. not that that's a problem. 15:13 -!- paperPimp is now known as nmz787 15:13 <@kanzure> most botnets these days are controlled through irc 15:13 < nmz787> huh 15:13 < rigel> everything i just said was completely made up, btw 15:13 < rigel> i didnt realize that's who you were. i just had an issue with the nickname 15:13 < nmz787> so usenet is restricted in some places? 15:14 < rigel> yes, a lot of servers stopped carrying binaries 15:14 < jrayhawk> that was beautiful 15:14 < nmz787> thought you said it was p2p 15:15 < rigel> if you couldnt be arsed to at least wikipedia it, well 15:15 < juri_> kanzure: you never did answer my question. you've got about a week to come up with something, or i'm going to start building my trinary microscope. 15:15 < rigel> jrayhawk: ? 15:15 < nmz787> juri_: ? 15:15 < nmz787> rigel: sorry maybe later 15:15 < yash-phone> nmz787: ? 15:15 < nmz787> i need to do schoolwork 15:15 < nmz787> yash-phone: ? 15:15 < jrayhawk> rigel: the usenet DoA explanation 15:15 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: ? 15:16 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk: ? 15:16 < nmz787> jrayhawk: wait that was false? 15:16 < yash-phone> ?: ? 15:16 < rigel> thanks. i'm pretty proud of coming up with that on the fly 15:16 < rigel> it's the details that matter, too 15:16 < nmz787> aww 15:16 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USENET 15:16 < rigel> captain midnight was the guy who first pirated HBO in like 1982 15:16 <@kanzure> learn you some respect 15:17 < rigel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Midnight_%28HBO%29 15:17 < rigel> 86, sorry 15:18 < rigel> not pirated, jammed satellite 15:18 < rigel> i just knew it had something to do with hbo 15:18 < rigel> MY RECALL IS NOT AS GOOD AS I WOULD LIKE 15:18 < nmz787> anyone here know about debye-huckel? 15:20 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:33 -!- yash-phone [~yaaic@66-87-7-194.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [] 15:34 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 <@kanzure> http://www.eifl.net/licensing 15:37 <@kanzure> "In 2011, we enabled our partner libraries to save an estimated US$175 million in subscription fees, and we achieved an average discount of over 97%." 15:37 <@kanzure> http://www.eifl.net/browse-licensed-e-resources-vendor 15:39 <@kanzure> i wonder if EIFL would be interested in licensing to a micronation 15:39 <@kanzure> quick! i need a plausible micronation name. 15:44 < nsh> hah 15:44 < nsh> i've thought this many times before 15:44 < balrog> btw: I'm convinced that at least some publishers put invisible tracking watermarks into pdfs 15:45 <@kanzure> why is there a picture of aaron in a tree? http://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008#page/n0/mode/2up 15:46 <@kanzure> balrog: yeah, i think we should be looking for that 15:46 <@kanzure> i looked at nature and sciencedirect and found no evidence 15:46 <@kanzure> (from multiple universities) 15:46 <@kanzure> but it would be useful to look at other publishers 15:47 < balrog> I know some use a very visible watermark 15:47 < balrog> containing either the uni name, or that and the IP as well 15:47 <@kanzure> right 15:47 <@kanzure> i was thinking it would be nice to collect samples 15:47 <@kanzure> so that we can write unit tests for a future not-yet-existing watermark removal framework 15:47 < balrog> I'm told IEEE used to but they don't appear to anymore 15:48 <@kanzure> i wrote up what i know about watermarks here, 15:48 < balrog> is there a wiki for this stuff? 15:48 <@kanzure> https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/browse_thread/thread/c68964cf55d8f6fa 15:48 <@kanzure> you are very welcome to use diyhpl.us wiki 15:48 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki 15:48 <@kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git 15:49 <@kanzure> for push access, ssh newuser@diyhpl.us 15:49 < balrog> easy solution for graphics-only papers: pdfimage, repack 15:49 < balrog> pdfimages* 15:49 <@kanzure> sure. but talking about it is no good. write a small program to do that. 15:49 <@kanzure> and then tell people about its existence. 15:53 < nsh> +1 15:53 < nmz787> kanzure what if the proxy was just a virus, then you wouldn't have to clean the watermark 15:53 < nmz787> the user leaking it would have been victim, so could deny involvement?? 15:54 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 < balrog> so far I've just been doing things in an interactive shell; might write up some py scripts though 15:54 < nmz787> i dunno where this would live though 15:55 < nmz787> the server 16:07 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:07 -!- abetusk [~abetusk@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:12 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:46 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@dhcp-198-23.ece.utexas.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@dhcp-198-23.ece.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02 <@kanzure> nmz787: virus? 17:24 < juri_> bad bad idea. 17:26 < sivoais> yeah, but with pdfimages you lose all that text goodness (not that PDF is a great format in which we should pour all our scientific knowledge) 17:26 < juri_> you probably want a pdf scrubbing application. custom written. 17:27 < juri_> something like a pdflint. 17:27 < sivoais> yeah, something that identifies the offending object streams 17:27 < juri_> clamAV? 17:27 < juri_> clam is already smart enough to take apart executable formats, and recognise bad snippets. 17:28 < juri_> its got an update mechanism.. 17:28 < sivoais> one could probably train a classifier, but it'll only be as good as the training data 17:28 < juri_> plus, the code would have a 'valid' use of helping someone clean licensed material from their machine. 17:28 < juri_> flagging files. 17:30 <@kanzure> sivoais: you can just edit the pdf file directly. most of the ip address text is injected as a separate object. 17:30 <@kanzure> oh i see what you mean.. add a signature in clamav to detect those strings. haha. 17:30 < juri_> yepyep. 17:31 <@kanzure> you don't need to train a classifier; there's <200 publishers so there's a limited number of strings that you would have to manually find and add to the system. 17:31 <@kanzure> yeah it would be interesting to run a license-sniffer on a corporate machine to see just how many pdfs were downloaded outside of the corporate network 17:31 <@kanzure> interesting in the sense that it is evl 17:31 <@kanzure> *evil 17:31 < juri_> well, its easy to add clamAV to a mail server. 17:32 <@kanzure> "Because of the latest aaronsw issue, you want the best for your company. Run this sniffer software to determine how many pdfs you have allegedly downloaded that are not authorized." 17:32 <@kanzure> you could probably sell that for quite a bit to the legal departments at oil companies, nike, etc. 17:32 < sivoais> I've been working on information extraction from PDFs recently, so this would be a good extension of that. 17:32 < juri_> sell the service, not the software. 17:32 <@kanzure> oh right, as a service. sure. 17:33 < juri_> the service of taking all those PDFs off of their hands.. ;) 17:34 <@kanzure> right 17:34 < juri_> it would probably also be useful for corporate compliance, to make sure your employees are not refering to documents that may be the property of another company. 17:34 < juri_> think intel VS amd VS nvidia. 17:35 <@kanzure> although i imagine most use falls under fair use 17:35 < sivoais> heh, 17:40 <@kanzure> too bad it still requires manual intervention 17:40 <@kanzure> it should be a twitter client that a user runs 17:42 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: welcome back 18:00 < yashgaroth> man I was like 'it's bullshit they call it a FACS since half of that acronym is "cell sorting"' but apparently BD owns the term FACS so I guess they can do whatever 18:01 < yashgaroth> but yeah without cell sorting it's kinda useless for anything but blood cancer analysis and testing drug effects on cell cultures 18:04 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:05 -!- qu-bit_ [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12 < nmz787> unless you wanted to screw with it and hack in sorting yashgaroth 18:13 < yashgaroth> I wish you the best of luck with that 18:18 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:19 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:19 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:22 < nmz787> that's what i would try to do if it made it around my way 18:31 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:31 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:40 < nmz787> http://www.google.com/patents?id=hF2jAAAAEBAJ 18:40 < nmz787> sweet 18:40 < nmz787> Nucleic acid sequencing by Raman monitoring of uptake of nucleotides during molecular replication 18:47 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 < nmz787> http://www.berlinhome.net/Snooperscope/SnooperScope-Home.html 18:51 < nmz787> Through simulation and physical experimentation, we have shown that under ideal conditions it is possible to remotely propel an untethered magnetic probe through a fluid-filled tube using actuators located a significant (8-inch) distance away. 18:52 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:52 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:56 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:57 <@kanzure> i wonder what would happen if all libraries simultaneously decided to disable authentication on ezproxy 18:59 < JayDugger> That seems unlikely. 19:00 < JayDugger> No one could do work from home, and I don't think it would take long for "legitimate" users to complain. 19:00 <@kanzure> no, i mean they would enable authentication-less access 19:00 < JayDugger> Oh, sorry. 19:00 < JayDugger> Still quite sleepy. 19:01 < JayDugger> Would they realistically have that option? How would they manage that? 19:02 <@kanzure> it's an option in the config file 19:02 < JayDugger> Okay. Your knowledge of it far exceeds mine. I'll have to understand it better before I can ask worthwhile questions. 19:04 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:25 < nmz787> this spectrometer has games in its menu system http://web.pdx.edu/~atkinsdb/teach/427/App-Biowave.pdf 19:25 < nmz787> spectroblocks 19:25 < nmz787> aka tetris 19:25 < nmz787> and su doku 19:26 -!- archbox_ [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 < nmz787> and you can't even plug a USB flash stick into it to save data 19:27 < nmz787> wtf 19:27 < nmz787> who builds this crap 19:52 < ThomasEgi> be glad it's not the grindhouse wetware guys.. 20:01 < nmz787> psh 20:04 -!- curtiss [~curtis@sol.whatbox.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:04 -!- curtiss [~curtis@sol.whatbox.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:35 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 < superkuh> Two weeks of JSTOR, username: Zadartrial, password: trial13zadar , from http://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar/comments/16pylo/my_university_has_been_granted_of_a_two_week/ 20:38 <@kanzure> wouldn't they turn it off after more than ten ip addresses use it 20:38 < superkuh> We'll find out quickly. 20:41 < superkuh> It isn't off yet. 20:43 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:09 < superkuh> There isn't very much "Science/Mathematics" coverage with it. 21:09 <@kanzure> there's one or two "methods in molecular biology" things. 21:12 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:29 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-73-35.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42 <@kanzure> ""Perforce," the name of an AMD internal database containing the AMD's technology and development of the company's process and product, were also added to external drives." 21:42 <@kanzure> nice. i want the amd perforce dump. someone get this for me. it can be a birthday present. 21:52 < delinquentme> kanzure, whos dump are we talking about 21:53 <@kanzure> some people at amd left and took the perforce (version control repo) with them 21:55 < delinquentme> I've wondered about VC in big companies before 21:56 < delinquentme> they rolled their own I take it? 21:57 <@kanzure> no, perforce is not made by amd 21:59 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:03 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:10 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:22 < nmz787> kanzure: how would i easily list all the files in dir on the server in javascript? 22:22 < nmz787> kanzure: have you ever used jwplayer? 22:23 <@kanzure> yes i've used jwplayer 22:23 <@kanzure> javascript can do xhr requests, if that's what you're asking. 22:23 < nmz787> no dude 22:23 < nmz787> i have no idea what xhr is 22:24 < nmz787> i'm looking at this http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/forums/jw-player/using-playlists/6534/autogenerate-playlist-from-folder/ 22:24 <@kanzure> this is a bunch of bash stuff 22:24 <@kanzure> not javascript 22:24 < nmz787> php 22:24 < nmz787> loks like 22:24 <@kanzure> ah you're right, i didn't look closely 22:25 < nmz787> how can i do that in js? 22:25 < nmz787> "Autogenerate playlist from folder?" 22:25 <@kanzure> well, you can use nodejs which has access to the file system 22:25 < nmz787> how do i do that? 22:26 < nmz787> is that ust a