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16:13 < kanzure> vim seems to use .swo and .swp, but recently i've been finding a bunch of files left on webservers as .whatever.swn (instead of swp or swo) 16:14 < kanzure> aha. dreamweaver leaves .lck files. 16:14 -!- Humean [~quassel@unaffiliated/humean] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-129-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19 -!- u-metacognition [~metacogni@99-7-58-96.lightspeed.davlca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:25 -!- qu-bit_ is now known as qu-bit 16:26 < kanzure> dunno what's going on here http://downloadpaper.ir/ 16:26 < kanzure> not much in here http://www.gigapaper.ir/Articles/ 16:26 < Urchin[Emacs]> I'm checking out my old transhumanist blog 16:26 < kanzure> the ieee folder has some papers 16:26 < Urchin[Emacs]> not much stuff there 16:28 < Urchin[Emacs]> I haven't posted since 2006 16:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-129-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:41 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32 < eudoxia> so some guy started a new hplus forum http://thetranshumanist.com/forum/ 17:33 < eudoxia> getting koen de paus to advertise your new h+ forum to his followers... i should have thought about that 17:33 < eudoxia> meh it will be filled with useless philosophers anyways 17:33 < yashgaroth> wtf is a koen de paus 17:34 < kanzure> it's a sign of respect, i think, between mob bosses 17:34 < yashgaroth> haha 17:34 < eudoxia> some guy on g+ who occasionally talks about transhumanism and has like 20k followers 17:44 < nmz787> kanzure: did you try the code ? 17:50 < kanzure> nmz787: yours? no not yet. i have been busy writing other things. 17:50 < kanzure> "You have selected a resource that is licensed for the exclusive use of Wyoming citizens." 17:59 < eudoxia> w-w-well see if i c-care, Wyoming ;_; 18:12 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-129-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-129-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:21 -!- strages_1hop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-129-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:52 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node144.18.251.72.1dial.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node144.18.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:18 < kanzure> http://www.cypherpunks.ru/static/goam.txt 19:18 < kanzure> their character encoding is wrong 19:22 -!- strages_1hop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:29 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:39 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:40 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:44 -!- abetusk [~abetusk@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 < kanzure> ParahSailin: am i reading this right? http://www.i-nobel.com/bbs/read.php?tid-433188.html 19:51 < kanzure> they want me to send in photo id to register? 19:51 < kanzure> ... to share papers? 20:40 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:11 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:18 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:19 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:34 -!- Urchin[Emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:41 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:44 < kanzure> http://madhadron.com/?p=263 "I’m leaving bioinformatics to go work at a software company with more technically ept people and for a lot more money. This seems like an opportune time to set forth my accumulated wisdom and thoughts on bioinformatics. My attitude towards the subject after all my work in it can probably be best summarized thus: “Fuck you, bioinformatics. Eat shit and die.”" 21:46 < nmz787> wow 21:46 < yashgaroth> looks about right 21:48 < brownies> well that's inspiring. 21:48 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5123022 22:09 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:10 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:12 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:15 < brownies> "Instead of verifying a single implementation, it's often better for somebody to reimplement the idea from scratch; if a second implementation in a different language written by a different programmer gets the same results, this is a much more thorough validation of the software than going over prototype software line by line." 22:15 < brownies> wat 22:16 < kanzure> yeah that's just the tip of the iceberg of the crazy 22:16 < brownies> it seems that the problem is that biologists should have all thought "oh, let's learn to program!" and instead they procured lots of extra grant money and said "oh, let's hire programmers!" 22:17 < brownies> s/the problem/one of the problems/ 22:17 < yashgaroth> biologists didn't spend 15 years in grad school to learn more things 22:17 < yashgaroth> after, that is 22:24 < brownies> you know what they say 22:24 < brownies> "once you learn a certain amount, you can stop learning forever!" 22:25 < yashgaroth> also they're probably secretly peeved that programmers make more than they do 22:26 * kanzure throws out his nodejs documentation 22:26 < kanzure> secret? it's no secret. nobody likes to make $30k/year. 22:27 < brownies> yeah, well, if they'd stop spending grant money on paying programmers whose time they don't know how to fully utilize (!!!) maybe they wouldn't have to pay themselves subsistence wages. 22:27 < brownies> "Also, I've seen way too many software engineers come in with an enterprisey attitude of establishing all sorts of crazy infrastructure and get absolutely no work done." 22:27 < brownies> where do they get this crap? 22:29 < juri_> you know, this is funny to read, given that i'm a (rock star motherfuckka!) computer/mechanical/electrical engineer, wishing i had biological skills. 22:30 < juri_> ... and i can't find enough work in the free software industry to make double minimum wage. ;P 22:31 < yashgaroth> regarding that comment you quoted, the UCSC genome browser is one of the best/few useable bioinformatics tools, and it's still annoying as shit 22:33 < juri_> maybe bioinformatics tools wouldn't suck, if every person who hired a programmer didn't insist on keeping the secret sauce secret. 22:34 < brownies> yashgaroth: what's annoying about it? 22:34 < yashgaroth> a million settings, and none of them change what you want them to 22:35 < brownies> ah. UX problems. no surprise. 22:35 < yashgaroth> idk it's not that bad for gov't funded programming, I'm sure 22:35 < nmz787> kanzure: we chose the same pic for inobel 22:38 < yashgaroth> juri_ what do you mean? most bioinfo software, especially grant-funded, is open source 22:48 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:58 < juri_> yash: i don't know bioinformatics software, i just know the requests in all industries that i as a software developer get. I've got standing offers to make six figures as a non-free software developer, but instead make barely enough to live developing free software, as the price of making non-free software is just too high. 22:59 < yashgaroth> ok 23:02 < brownies> bad priorities. got it. 23:03 < juri_> people are my priority. 23:04 < brownies> yashgaroth: holy hell. http://genome-source.cse.ucsc.edu/gitweb/?p=kent.git;a=blob;f=src/product/README.building.source 23:04 < brownies> have these people never heard of ./configure ? 23:05 < yashgaroth> I've no idea what that or you are talking about :/ 23:05 < yashgaroth> juri_ why not take the job with dem sixfigz and pay two programmers to do free software 23:05 < brownies> me? 23:06 < yashgaroth> yes, the text on that page or what a ./configure is 23:06 < brownies> yashgaroth: it's the "open source building instructions" for the Genome Browser you mentioned 23:06 < brownies> yes, that's the problem. 23:06 < brownies> they haven't exactly made it easy for other people to contribute work back to it, to help improve it, to build upon what's already there 23:06 < yashgaroth> see, you could've said it was anything and I'd believe you 23:06 < brownies> then that's also the problem! =P 23:06 < brownies> where is kanzure? he can help me rant about this. 23:06 < yashgaroth> heh 23:07 < brownies> i have this little pet hypothesis that all of science would be drastically improved if we could just convince every working academic to put their code on github every time they publish a paper 23:07 < juri_> yash: i've actually tried that, when i was working for walmart. my work made walmart stronger, where the development i paid for didn't really help anyone. I'm a very good software developer. ;) 23:09 < juri_> i helped walmart roll out stores in mexico which they are still facing charges about. I'm not proud of those days, its the greatest black mark on my work. 23:09 < yashgaroth> well find a company that's less mind-fuckingly evil than walmart 23:10 < juri_> oddly, it seems the eviler they are, the more they pay. 23:11 < juri_> and that still doesn't solve the 'i write code better than the people i can hire' problem. ;) 23:11 < yashgaroth> well work at some innocuous company in silicon valley making the next facegram...r 23:12 < yashgaroth> they still pay insane money apparently 23:12 < kanzure> brownies: i think academics should submit themselves to code reviews 23:13 < kanzure> they believe in peer review, so why not code review. 23:13 < kanzure> code review makes better programmers. and they don't do it. 23:13 < yashgaroth> are we still talking about bioinformatics here 23:13 < kanzure> academic programming of any sort. 23:14 < kanzure> i wrote some bioinformatics software when i was stationed in two different academic labs 23:14 < kanzure> and nobody ever wanted to look over my code. 23:14 < juri_> i was barely talking about it in the first place. while some of the algorithms i use/maintain are used in that field, i don't work in it myself. 23:14 < kanzure> at the time, i could have really used some code review from people who actually knew bioinformatics and programming. 23:14 < brownies> the problem is that there probably wasn't anyone qualified to both review code AND the bio ideas contained therein 23:15 < brownies> the code review system works because it's basically apprenticeship ... which means there already exist people who know wtf is going on. 23:15 < kanzure> one of the programs i built was extremely simply- i was optimizing which codons to use for encoding certain proteins in a genome to make a biofuel process suck less 23:15 < kanzure> i think bioperl or biopython has a module that does that, but i didn't know about it at the time and apparently nobody wanted to tell me either. 23:15 < brownies> =/ 23:15 < juri_> for code review with accademic papers, you would think the paper would cover enough of the knowlege to help a programer review the code. 23:16 < yashgaroth> kanzure: oh I hope you weren't just changing every codon to the single most commonly used one for highly expressed genes 23:17 < juri_> if anyone needs review of free software, associated with an accademic paper, i think i can find some time. 23:17 < kanzure> yashgaroth: no it was based on metabolism 23:18 < yashgaroth> ah good 23:18 < kanzure> pfft come on man 23:18 < yashgaroth> just checkin' 23:18 < kanzure> i find your lack of faith disturbing, long and prosper 23:18 < yashgaroth> the tRNA depletion, maaaan 23:18 < kanzure> (because jj abrams is doing both, all quotes must henceforth be mixed from both SW and ST) 23:19 < kanzure> speaking of which, i should go back and comment on cathal's code 23:19 < yashgaroth> these aren't the droids you're uh...shit I don't watch star trek much 23:19 < brownies> "the paper would cover enough ... knowledge to help a programmer review the code" <= laughably wrong 23:19 < kanzure> https://github.com/cathalgarvey/PySplicer 23:19 < brownies> the paper usually barely covers enough knowledge to help a working specialist review the paper 23:20 < kanzure> i helped him clean up the code a few months ago (years?) but it's probably lapsed a bit 23:20 < kanzure> plus it's completely non-installable 23:20 < juri_> brownies: to assist in reviewing the code? got an example? 23:20 < kanzure> "lib" what is "lib" this does not belong in a python project 23:21 < juri_> i write code based on accademic papers, in the image recognition field. 23:22 < kanzure> re-implementing an algorithm from a paper is the most annoying shit 23:22 < kanzure> for stress relief i recommend printing out a physical copy of the paper and burning it 23:22 < juri_> i leave physical copies of papers in the restroom. what is done with them there is an exercise left to the reader. ;) 23:23 < brownies> i think we've all written code based on papers; that is not really the point 23:23 < brownies> the point is that the paper should come with a polished, well-commented, documented version of the exact code used in producing the paper 23:23 < brownies> so that thousands of people don't have to sit around like jackasses implementing code based on papers -_- 23:23 < kanzure> juri_: btw, one of the things the free software community desperately needs is an actually open source implementation of a nurbs manipulation library. brlcad has been struggling along without one for years. 23:24 < kanzure> juri_: opencascade has a questionable license, and their source code is unmaintainable garbage (french + english + russian) with bugs all over the place. and tracing things properly across >200 submodules is nearly impossible even with grep. 23:25 < kanzure> juri_: this would be very very helpful with things like hardware packaging standards because we could just use a nurbs representation of models and parametrically re-use parts in other models that build on other pieces of open source hardware. 23:25 * juri_ takes a peek. 23:26 < kanzure> http://brlcad.org/ 23:26 < kanzure> http://opencascade.org/ 23:27 < juri_> I've been watching implicitcad with more than some interest. 23:27 < juri_> they're looking at constraints support, ATM. 23:29 < kanzure> i somehow convinced fenn to try out implicitcad, http://fennetic.net/irc/rail_meshlab.png 23:30 < kanzure> 12:04 < fenn> kanzure: implicitcad works as intended, but it needs a lot of work to be usable. the constant size sampling grid for example makes things slow at larger absolute dimensions 23:30 < kanzure> 12:04 < fenn> rendering time scales ~ as the cube of the dimension 23:30 < kanzure> 12:05 < kanzure> "size sampling grid" what? 23:30 < kanzure> 12:05 < fenn> a simple script to watch the source file for changes and re-render it at increasing resolution would be nice 23:35 < kanzure> if implicitcad could be replaced with nurbs manipulation under the hood, you could dump output to standard formats for proprietary cad tools and start to sucker in people from the actual engineering fields. 23:36 < kanzure> https://github.com/stepcode/stepcode 23:37 < juri_> kanzure: i think this is a good answer to the question i asked you the other day. 23:37 < kanzure> sometimes it takes me a while. 23:38 < juri_> a good answer is worth the wait. 23:44 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Sun Jan 27 00:00:42 2013