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00:40 < eleitl> good morning
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00:44 <@kanzure> eleitl: hi
00:50 < eleitl> I was a bit away the last few days, have I missed anything important?
00:50 <@kanzure> nothing earth shattering.. the logs are quick to read though
00:50 <@kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-29.log
00:51 <@kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-28.log
00:51 <@kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-27.log
00:51 <@kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-26.log
00:51 <@kanzure> also paperbot works with jove
00:51 < eleitl> great -- so how can I access the videos?
00:52 <@kanzure> do you use chrome or firebug?
00:52 < eleitl> paperbot gives you a download link?
00:52 <@kanzure> sadly no
00:52 < eleitl> I have both Chrome and Waterfox
00:52 <@kanzure> at the moment you have to load the page while enabling the network inspection tab in firebug or webkit inspector
00:52 < eleitl> ok
00:52 <@kanzure> then sort by largest file, get the multi-megabyte file and select its url
00:52 <@kanzure> authentication is done by their flash client
00:52 <@kanzure> their video file is public
00:52 < eleitl> I see
00:53 <@kanzure> http://www.jove.com/video/4285/a-visual-description-dissection-cerebral-surface-vasculature
00:53 <@kanzure> in this case the url is:
00:53 <@kanzure> http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/4285_Bowyer_111112_F_Web.mov
00:54 < eleitl> somebody should download all these, and liberate them
00:54 <@kanzure> s/somebody/bryan :/
00:55 < eleitl> that ditzy voice is quite annoying
00:55 <@kanzure> they get different voice actors
00:55 <@kanzure> not sure where they are finding voice talent that can pronounce these things, though..
00:56 < eleitl> great resource though
00:56 <@kanzure> springer protocols is much more extensive
00:57 < eleitl> is that part of springerlink?
00:57 < eleitl> IIRC they only have ebooks and journals there
00:57 <@kanzure> "Copyright © 2008 Springer Science+Business Media, LLC"
00:57 <@kanzure> haha look at the bottom footer http://springerprotocols.com/
00:58 <@kanzure> "Remote Address: $fto.getIpAddr() , Server: ewrbspd4"
00:58 <@kanzure> 5000 protocols in "cell biology" listed, http://springerprotocols.com/cdp/view/browse?articleType=Protocol&textOption=ALL&abstractOption=ALL&category=Cell%20Biology&categoryCode=CEB&temp=123&sortBy=BEST_MATCH&pageSize=10&bname=Cell%20Biology
01:00 < eleitl> it does link to http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007%2F978-1-59745-521-3_23
01:01 <@kanzure> "© Springer, Part of Springer Science+Business Media"
01:02 <@kanzure> the footer seems to work on link.springer.com, "Not logged in Unaffiliated 66.68.190.37"
01:04 < eleitl> my impression is that the trolls lack manpower with real clue
01:04 < eleitl> they're understaffed in the clue area, at least
01:04 < eleitl> too many bureaucrats to pay off first
01:05 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007%2F978-1-59745-521-3_23
01:05 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a3b189e6214b8c78d2953c26e1699657.txt
01:06 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-1-59745-521-3_23
01:06 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8239c7f6ddab7ed290d938b8f92a0e89.txt
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01:06 <@kanzure> well that's infuriating..
01:11  * eleitl has ordered 25 l of DMSO yesterday
01:12 < eleitl> 12 l of ethanediol arrived yesterday, too
01:16 < eleitl> webkit inspector enabled by default, good guy Google
01:17 <@kanzure> the network tab is wonky.. you have to switch to it, then refresh the page to start the network recording.
01:17 < eleitl> thanks for the tip
01:20 < eleitl> that tab trick works fine with jove, just verified
01:21 <@kanzure> happy science day
01:21 <@kanzure> i have been streaming them non-stop (it's better than tv while i am working)
01:22 < eleitl> everything is better than TV :)
01:25 <@kanzure> eleitl: i learned of an individual today who does chemistry and bodybuilding
01:25 < eleitl> sounds like a bad mix
01:25 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5137117
01:25 < eleitl> most bodybuilders tend to screw up their bodies on the long run
01:25 <@kanzure> "A week after Arnold took his first dose of liquid mestanolone, his life began to change. At the gym, he was on fire. ... Arnold focused his efforts on a patent he came across while flipping through chemical abstracts. It came from an East German pharmaceutical company called Jenapharm, which produced most of the steroidal compounds used in the former communist nation’s athletic doping program."
01:26 <@kanzure> i think germany was communist before 1930s, so there was a mandatory steroid program ??
01:27 < eleitl> Germany was never communist, only GDR past-war
01:27 <@kanzure> oh east german
01:27 <@kanzure> not sure where they are getting "former communist nation's athletic doping program" from..
01:27 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenapharm
01:27 < eleitl> GDR and the East Block in general apparently were big into steroids
01:28 < eleitl> dunno, it's what they say
01:28 <@kanzure> "In 2005 the company was sued or threatened with lawsuits by hundreds of athletes who were forced to take these drugs.[5] The company settled the lawsuits by contributing to the creation of a $4.1 million fund that compensated former athletes.[6][7]"
01:28 <@kanzure> "forced" to take these drugs? hah.
01:28 < eleitl> the topic is of no particular interest to me
01:28 <@kanzure> ah okay.
01:29 < eleitl> no, I meant I don't know much about it because it's not relevant to my interests(tm)
01:29 <@kanzure> well anyway, as you might know there's approximately only one bodybuilder in the transhumanist community
01:29 < eleitl> I'm of course interested in hacking my body to slow aging and improve performance
01:29 < eleitl> the regime I'm taking is quite good, but needs moar tweaking
01:30 < eleitl> plus, I need more money, too. It's a bit expensive.
01:30 <@kanzure> the point is that someone bothered to put together some simple synthesis reactions to make the things he wanted, rather than just giving up.
01:31 < eleitl> oh yeah, that's quite easy for designer drugs
01:31 <@kanzure> bodybuilding itself isn't particularly interesting (there is no actual need to be "ripped") except that it shows applied effort
01:31 <@kanzure> yes
01:32 < eleitl> you can outsource that kind of thing to china, unless they don't have a lot of clue in steroid analoga
01:32 < eleitl> then, you'd do better doing things on your own
01:32 < eleitl> I think I will start doing chemistry maybe next month
01:32 < eleitl> first project is ice blockers
01:33 <@kanzure> i've been curious why transhumanists on average are against steroids for non-life-threatening-situations
01:33 <@kanzure> doesn't matter that much, it's just another bizarre contradiction
01:33  * kanzure sleeps
01:33 < eleitl> they're typically life-shortening on the long run
01:33 < eleitl> good night
01:35 <@kanzure> eleitl: please be careful with the jove knowledge until we have confirmed we have a complete backup
01:35  * eleitl clams up until done
01:35 < eleitl> I'll try backing it up myself, assuming there's not too much space required.
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01:36 <@kanzure> 50 MB/video seems to be the average.
01:36 <@kanzure> 2000 * 50 =~ 100 GB
01:36 < eleitl> 100 GByte? A child's play.
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01:42  * archels randomly buys The Myth of Sisyphus
01:42 < eleitl> that's ringing a bell, but I don't know which
01:42 < archels> SMBC
01:43 < eleitl> oh, right
01:45 < archels> if Camus had concluded 'the fact that we choose to venture on the journey is a good thing' instead of 'the journey is its own reward', the SMBC guy wouldn't have had his point
01:48 < eleitl> I wonder why we want to frame our beliefs in terms of prior work
01:49 < brownies> eh? what did SMBC have to say about Camus?
01:49 < archels> brownies: cf. today's comic
01:50 < eleitl> apparently, he like camus http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2815
01:51 < brownies> hm, maybe i don't know Camus well enough to get that one
01:51 < brownies> there's also this one: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2719
01:51 < eleitl> this eternal quest looking for meaning in the sea if meaninglessness
01:52 < eleitl> brownies: heh
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01:52 < brownies> so immortality will give humans innate purpose and invalidate nihilism?
01:53 < brownies> poor sisyphus. here's another one: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1947#comic
01:53 <@kanzure> it will for me, losers
01:54 < eleitl> purpose is a tweakable parameter
01:54 <@kanzure> i don't know what i am watching
01:54 <@kanzure> http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/50217_Wagner_Lung_103012_R_Web.mov
01:55 < eleitl> "I miss my boulder"
01:56 < eleitl> why didn't they let the researcher voice the damn video?
01:56 < eleitl> breathy ditz, again
01:58 <@kanzure> http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/1246_email_test.flv
01:59 < eleitl> that hung my chrome
01:59 < eleitl> VLC multimedia plugin has crashed
02:00 <@kanzure> i am running out of storage
02:00 <@kanzure> i can take 100 GB but not much more
02:04 <@kanzure> hah today's xkcd
02:04 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Star_Trek_into_Darkness
02:13 < eleitl> the essense of Wikipedia
02:15 <@kanzure> how do i tell if a long-running sed is still doing work?
02:16 <@kanzure> ah nevermind. it's still running. it leaves tempfiles all over the place.
02:20 <@kanzure> http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/test_dwnld.txt
02:22 <@kanzure> eleitl: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/jove_urls.txt
02:22 <@kanzure> eleitl: some of these are redundant (multiple file formats, preview versions, etc.) so be careful.
02:22 <@kanzure> let me know how many you get or where you stop.
02:23 < eleitl> The requested URL /~bryan/jove_urls.txt was not found on this server.
02:24 <@kanzure> oops, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/jove.urls.txt
02:24 <@kanzure> oh neat: http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/4466_Syncardia_Interview_052312_Web.mov
02:26 < brownies> wow. i had to see the Wiki talk page for myself to believe it.
02:28 < eleitl> kanzure, are you using long random delays between downloads
02:28 <@kanzure> i am not downloading
02:29 < eleitl> ok
02:29 <@kanzure> i am sleeping
02:29 <@kanzure> ths is my lucid dreaming interface
02:29 < eleitl> you're talking in your sleep
02:29 <@kanzure> you are currently a gingerbread house
02:29 < eleitl> :)
02:30 <@kanzure> however.. i had to download >5000 xml files to get those urls, and i had no delay and it worked fine.
02:31 < eleitl> it's just if they see load, and look into logs, they'll know something is up
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04:01 < bkero> kanzure: break off gingerbread doorknob and eat.
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09:01 < archels> paperbot: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/07/15/mit-scientists-crowdsource-effort-map-connections-brain/v1CEwhwl90GDjKzL6oTC4L/story.html
09:01 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1143f64f89caa66206300faee19e5cff.txt
09:02 < archels> oh, if you had only named that .html that would have been perfect
09:02 < eleitl> I've tried the same thing with C. elegans a while back
09:02 < archels> kanzure: ^
09:03 < eleitl> before there was this 'gamification' craze
09:04 < archels> we're just building a dataset, so that we can teach our artifical neural networks later how to do it. :)
09:04 < eleitl> that was exactly the plan, use hand-curated data for machine learning calibration
09:05 < eleitl> people don't scale, but the best of them can make kick-ass quality data
09:05 < eleitl> of course, you need to be able to weed out the bozos, too
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10:18 < nmz787> kanzure: so i downloaded a paper and I need to remove the 'side text' that says where i downloaded it
10:18 < nmz787> it is selectable text
10:18 < nmz787> and it's sideways
10:23 < Vicarious> file type? pdf?
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11:05 < nmz787> Vicarious: yes pdf
11:05 <@kanzure> nmz787: you can delete the text by opening up the pdf and finding the right attribute
11:06 <@kanzure> nmz787: best thing for now is to do it by trial and error
11:06 < Vicarious> or use a pdf editor app
11:06 <@kanzure> no thanks
11:06 < Vicarious> :)
11:07 <@kanzure> archels: i am opposed to using anything other than the text/plain content-type for those files because the majority of the time we need to be looking at the html to figure out where the pdfs are.
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11:16 <@kanzure> that ubiome person is spamming everywhere for indiegogo, i hate her
11:16 <@kanzure> she should die in a fire
11:18 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a15dafb7 Bryan Bishop: add a contact for diybio-estonia
11:18 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=df58568b Bryan Bishop: add cchs/diybio-melbourne contacts
11:20 <@kanzure> "Fucking uBiome got almost $200K on IndieGogo.  I know the founders and they are not very reliable.  Highly unlikely they will deliver or even still be doing this in 18 months."
11:21 < ThomasEgi> old german wisdom "je dümmer der bauer, desto dicker die kartoffeln" . means as much as : the more stupid they are, the more money they have
11:25 < archels> potatoes stand for money?
11:26 < ThomasEgi> well ... in this case probably yes
11:26 < ThomasEgi> it's pretty interpretable and fits to many situations
11:28 < archels> potatoes as a status symbol. crazy Germans
11:29 < ThomasEgi> that wisdom is old.
11:34 <@kanzure> that potato is old.
11:42 < juri_> 7 minutes to build. 30 seconds to solve problem. wash, rinse, repeat, pull hair out.
11:43 <@kanzure> you should fix the build time.
11:43 <@kanzure> fixing the build time will have tremendous health benefits for your scalp and hair.
11:47 < brownies> might save you some on your water bill too
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11:53 < juri_> java.
11:53 < juri_> `nuff said.
11:54 <@kanzure> the railsocalypse continues https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5139583
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12:19 < eudoxia> well that's what they get for using a dynamically typed language
12:19 < nmz787> kanzure: is that the only comment that's negative though?
12:20 < nmz787> kanzure: that uBiome thing looks pretty doable and the price seems about right
12:20 < nmz787> 16S then getting time for hiSeq runs
12:20 < nmz787> with all the $$$ they will def have enough $ and samples to make the illumina runs worth it
12:20 < nmz787> and i think the seqs are short, so computationally cheap to assemble i think
12:21 < nmz787> though i'm not sure a whole 16S seq could fit in one read or not
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12:21 < nmz787> i dunno the seq and read length
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13:02 <@kanzure> "Regarding damages, JSTOR’s articles are freely available at 7,000 institutions worldwide, and many documents are public domain.   MIT’s $50,000 annual subscription amounts to $136/day, a starting point for calculating damages."
13:02 <@kanzure> where did this $50,000/year number come from?
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13:16 < DaZ> ohai.
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17:55 < cpopell> kanzure, you around?
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18:11 < jrayhawk> Any opinions on the Mind Alive devices?
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18:59 <@kanzure> cpopell: no
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19:08 <@kanzure> Juul: how's vancouver treating you
19:09 < Juul> kanzure, good. i got a bad cold though, so my abilities are degraded to "walking around and looking at the pretty things"-level
19:10 < Juul> do you know anything about zink medicine?
19:10 < Juul> everyone is saying i should eat it
19:10 < Juul> they don't have that in denmark, or if they do it's prescription
19:10 < Juul> so: ineffective or dangerous or both?
19:11 < Juul> i've been looking a bit more at nurby things
19:11 < cpopell> kanzure, got any emergency contract work kicking around for one of ours?
19:11 < Juul> since several people at sudo room are doing 3d things
19:12 <@kanzure> Juul: they might mean zinc
19:12 <@kanzure> cpopell: depends. i certainly have a lot of work that i need done that i could pay for.
19:12 < Juul> kanzure, ah, thanks for correcting
19:13 < cpopell> Lemminkainen specifically. http://xhonk.com/ He just got fucked by the person he was contracting to
19:13 <@kanzure> iirc honkala got money from thiel
19:14 < cpopell> All I know is the dude is stuck in vegas with pretty much no money in his account because his boss fucked him.
19:14 < cpopell> can't even get on irc, hence me contacting you
19:14 <@kanzure> no, wrong honkala i guess.
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19:14 <@kanzure> ah i was thinking of alex kiselev
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19:15 < Juul> btw, i looked into Nature Publishing Group's terms (since the BIOFAB's papers are finally getting published)
19:15 < Juul> and while they own the copyright on work done by the Nature editors, everything else remains your own
19:16 <@kanzure> sounds like more of an emergency than i can ahndle
19:16 < cpopell> Shrug, quite possibly. What would be the timeline on finding if he filled your needs on work?
19:17 <@kanzure> weeks-months
19:17 < cpopell> Know anyone for him to talk to?
19:17 < yashgaroth> oh lemminkainen is xhonk?
19:17 < cpopell> yeah, yashgaroth
19:18 <@kanzure> no i don't know anyone in vegas
19:18 < cpopell> fuck
19:18 < Juul> i noticed that NPG advises people to publish their original manuscript 6 months after NPG publishes the nice edited version
19:18 < cpopell> on a side note, yashgaroth, my 23andme results came out
19:18 < yashgaroth> got any weird jewgene results? I had a couple
19:19 <@kanzure> cpopell: you know of a name patrick arnold?
19:19 < cpopell> Not off the top of my head.
19:19 < cpopell> yashgaroth: Paternal haplotype was q1b.
19:19 < cpopell> Which is mostly siberian and americas, but can also be correlated with ashkenazi (rarely)
19:20 < Juul> but their license agreement doesn't mention the 6 month wait so it seems like anyone who publishes to nature can immediately publish the original document elsewhere
19:20 <@kanzure> Juul: i bet they are talking about the authors only, not bystanders/readers
19:20 < Juul> Juul, oh yes.
19:21 <@kanzure> what
19:21 < Juul> oops
19:21 < Juul> Juul, you're a fool!
19:21 <@kanzure> perhaps you are more ill than you thought
19:22 < Juul> perhaps
19:22 < Juul> Juul, no! don't listen to him!
19:23 < Juul> the skype iphone app has the "pickup call" button on top of the "end call" button that appears immediately after picking up a call
19:23 < Juul> that's some nice gui design right there
19:25 < Juul> anyway: NURBS. Someone started work on nurbs for three.js but hasn't continued it: https://github.com/sntx/NURBSForTHREE/tree/master/src
19:25 <@kanzure> is this just rendering, or is it nurbs math?
19:26 <@kanzure> hm definitely rendering
19:26 <@kanzure> neat.
19:26 < nmz787> kanzure: didnt you look at this before http://www.lifetechnologies.com/us/en/home/technical-resources/software-downloads/abi-prism-310-genetic-analyzer.html
19:27 <@kanzure> maybe not the ABI 310 but definitely the ABI line
19:27 <@kanzure> i think ABI 378 is a synthesizer
19:27 < nmz787> if we could extract the protocol section, I could add it to python-spectrometers
19:27 < Juul> i'm trying to get Jae Kwon, one of the sudoers, to write a nurbs engine
19:27 <@kanzure> oh, you mean one of the software things. yeah.
19:27 <@kanzure> Juul: i met jae kwon the other day
19:27 < nmz787> kanzure: i thought there was a group with a busted sequencer, or just without the windows software
19:27 < Juul> kanzure, good!
19:27 <@kanzure> nmz787: the los angeles group
19:27 < nmz787> kanzure: yea i think you decompiled the package
19:27 < nmz787> depacked it
19:28 < yashgaroth> hey there's one of those ABI models for sale at ucsd surplus, a steal at $12000
19:28 <@kanzure> nmz787: yes, it's just a text file with a zip file embedded inside of it
19:28 < nmz787> yeah python would be able to do sequencing data output easily
19:28 < nmz787> i am getting some sequencing reagents soon
19:28 < nmz787> samples!
19:29 < yashgaroth> cough http://surplus.ucsd.edu/Lot.aspx?id=83726
19:29 < nmz787> hah
19:32 < Juul> do any of you know of a nice javascript plasmid visualizer?
19:33 <@kanzure> no :/
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19:35 < Juul> i'm trying to write one, but figuring out an algorithm for placing the labels so that they don't overlap, without taking crazy compute time, is not very simple
19:36 < Juul> labels being "text labels with a line going to the feature on the plasmid they are describing"
19:38 < Lucius_Fox> is there a way to manufacture software in such a way that is like an assembly line?
19:39 < Lucius_Fox> i mean, typically, you just need a pc and a assembler or something like that to produce the software you want.
19:39 < Lucius_Fox> but that's just 1 person. i wonder how a software manufacturing company works.
19:39 < Juul> "i'm a software assembler" you mean you write assembly language? "no, I mean I work on a software assembly line: I put in all of the zeroes"
19:39 < Lucius_Fox> i mean general software
19:40 < Lucius_Fox> whether it be a app for a mobile, or a new O/S...
19:40 < Lucius_Fox> is it invented by a lone genius
19:40 < Lucius_Fox> or is it assembled with lots of people
19:40 < Lucius_Fox> in their division?
19:41 < Lucius_Fox> i guess it really depends on what kind of software but i've always been curious of-
19:41 < Lucius_Fox> epic level softwares-
19:41 < Lucius_Fox> is it like an manufacturing company where they hire hundreds of workers,
19:42 < Lucius_Fox> or do they just outsource it overseas
19:42 < Lucius_Fox> in india or something
19:42 < Lucius_Fox> without a physical building needed.
19:43 < Lucius_Fox> if so, how will the development of the software be guarded from being stolen by the very R&D?
19:43 <@kanzure> perhaps you would benefit from reading the mythical man month
19:43 < Lucius_Fox> is that a book?
19:43 <@kanzure> yes
19:43 <@kanzure> it explores how software is built.
19:43 < yashgaroth> isn't java made for assembly-line programming? as it were
19:44 < Lucius_Fox> ok, i'll look into it.
19:44 < Lucius_Fox> thanks for the reference. i've always been fascinated by the software architecture.
19:44 <@kanzure> some software is outsourced, other is not. when your core competency needs to be technology, you don't outsource that because you wouldn't have a business.
19:45 <@kanzure> if you are talking about how contributions to a project are combined, you should learn about version control systems like git or perforce.
19:46 < Lucius_Fox> i'm interested in epic projects that requires participation of many...
19:46 <@kanzure> do you write any software?
19:46 < Lucius_Fox> what kind of softwares are in works, in this scale, and what they could be used for.
19:47 < Lucius_Fox> no, i don't know anything. i'm just in media production.
19:47 <@kanzure> are you juyun
19:47 < Lucius_Fox> what is that a company?
19:47 < nmz787> some dudes write stuff by themselves
19:47 < nmz787> some are huge collaborations, whether paid or not
19:48 < nmz787> lots build on software of yesteryear
19:48 < nmz787> whether that was bought or ripped off
19:48 < nmz787> or it was free to begin
19:49 < Lucius_Fox> i want to make full use of any computing i would gather
19:49 < Lucius_Fox> every field. not just limited to video production.
19:49 < Lucius_Fox> software development seems one.
19:49 <@kanzure> maybe you should learn to write code.
19:50 < Lucius_Fox> that's not for me.
19:50 < nmz787> Lucius_Fox: check out openFrameworks
19:50 <@kanzure> that attitude is not okay here
19:50 <@kanzure> get out
19:50 < Lucius_Fox> but i think i can learn enough to direct
19:50 < nmz787> its for artists
19:50 <@kanzure> no, you can't learn enough to direct if you're unwilling to learn at all
19:50 < ArmilusDajjal> well
19:51 < ArmilusDajjal> its for ppl that cant do anything else
19:51 < Lucius_Fox> im willing to learn up to the point of understanding why it works
19:51 < ArmilusDajjal> web design is for artists
19:51 < nmz787> kanzure: coding isn't for everyone
19:51 < ArmilusDajjal> asteticsh
19:51 <@kanzure> web design is not "just for artists"
19:51 < Lucius_Fox> but the nitty gritty details i'll leave it up to the geniuses.
19:51 <@kanzure> nmz787: you are a liar. anybody can write code.
19:51 < ArmilusDajjal> its for women
19:51 < nmz787> ArmilusDajjal: hah unless you're writing PHP!
19:51 < Juul> everyone should learn everything, starting with something
19:51 < ArmilusDajjal> the actual design
19:51 < ArmilusDajjal> making things look nice
19:51 <@kanzure> "web design is for artists" what the fuck
19:52 < Lucius_Fox> if you try and become superman of all things, you'll just waste time.
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19:52 < Juul> haha
19:52 <@kanzure> wtf x9000
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19:52 < nmz787> Lucius_Fox: true
19:52 < Lucius_Fox> what the fuck man
19:52 < nmz787> Lucius_Fox: but you need to get an idea of what's out ther
19:52 <@kanzure> Lucius_Fox: your approach sucks and i don't think you would fit in here
19:52 < nmz787> and coding is a big part of the world today
19:53 < Lucius_Fox> life is a learning process, if my approach fails, i'll adapt.
19:53 < nmz787> or fail
19:53 <@kanzure> a moment ago you were saying something else
19:53 <@kanzure> which is it
19:53 < Lucius_Fox> but don't expect people to get it right the first time, nor could you be the judge to determine if your perspective alone is correct.
19:53 <@kanzure> i am confident that my perspective on you is correct.
19:54 < Lucius_Fox> it depends on people, their situation, and consequences following their choices.
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19:55 < Lucius_Fox> i am trying to get a taste of whats out there before i can engineer anything, or reverse engineer anything for that matter.
19:55 <@kanzure> you should focus on learning things, instead of learning to manage things you know nothing about
19:56 < Lucius_Fox> most people seem to learn shit from school unknowing of what to produce, or why they are learning what they
19:56 <@kanzure> don't bring school into this
19:56 <@kanzure> school only muddles learning
19:56 < Lucius_Fox> it's a line between what you say
19:56 < Lucius_Fox> i'm searching for.
19:56 < Lucius_Fox> something in between...
19:56 < Lucius_Fox> agreed.
19:57 <@kanzure> ah you are juyun
19:57 <@kanzure> yeah, get out
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19:58 <@kanzure> this guy keeps coming back for more.
19:58 < Juul> dang, i'm gonna have to add ban-ability to etherpad
19:58 < Juul> the trolling of sudo room is getting crazy
19:59 <@kanzure> ouch :(
19:59 < nmz787> kanzure: this is very similar to how you're described here https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/DoctrineZero/Nxzccmtx7Q0/0EfbfaJuRBMJ
19:59 < Juul> slurs, shock sites and genital ascii art all over our meeting minutes while the meeting is happening
19:59 <@kanzure> nmz787: no, this person has a history in this channel spanning 4 years
20:00 <@kanzure> nmz787: please don't jump to conclusions that quickly, dude.
20:02 <@kanzure> nmz787: i have sent you a pm with evidence.
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20:03 < jrayhawk> Juul: I can toss up an infininote server with access control up somewheres if you want.
20:07 < Juul> jrayhawk, Cool. I'll have a look at infininote and see if it could suit our needs. We'll host it ourselves though, but thanks a lot for offering :)
20:09 < cpopell> nmz: I often disagree with Bryan
20:09 < cpopell> but to be fair
20:09 < cpopell> Fuck everything yarowrath is involved in
20:10 < nmz787> who the hell is yarowrath
20:10 < cpopell> yarowrath/int_00h/vladimir frolov
20:10 < cpopell> I might be mistaken. the rune Kalkin has as a pic reminds me of his stupid monolith group
20:11 < cpopell> russian transhumanist, leninist, white supremacist, possible terrorist(?), and friend of rachel haywire
20:13 < cpopell> he might have gotten kicked out of ZS
20:15 < Juul> sometimes i feel like kanzure is channeling harry potter from harry potter and the methods of rationality
20:16 < strangewarp> Sorry, I've got dibs on being the former kid genius with a sleep disorder who has made shitty mistakes, here :p
20:16 <@kanzure> if you want details on the history of this individual, i can provide them
20:17 < Juul> strangewarp, what?! i thought this was the support group channel for people like that!
20:17 < strangewarp> Juul: In that case, everyone here is like HP:MoR Harry then :p
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21:06 <@kanzure> nmz787: http://ask.diybio.org/questions/are-there-any-special-safety-issues-to-consider-when-planning-to-work/
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21:09 <@kanzure> naturally their site fails to handle the load of 1 user
21:13 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300483X05002246
21:13 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Implications%20for%20human%20health%20of%20the%20extensive%20bisphenol%20A%20literature%20showing%20adverse%20effects%20at%20low%20doses%3A%20A%20response%20to%20attempts%20to%20mislead%20the%20public.pdf
21:16 < jrayhawk> oh right, you wanted me to do a thing with a zotoro recompilation hook
21:16 <@kanzure> that would be cool
21:16 < jrayhawk> Hmm. Probably tomorrow.
21:17 <@kanzure> it would be cool if pushing to translators.git would run ~/code/paperbot/run-translation-server.sh to recompile with the new translators and restart the server (but i haven't done the svc stuff)
21:17 < Grognor> paperbot: help
21:17 <@kanzure> also translation-server would have to be pointed to the actual translators (right now it's just a working copy in ~/code/paperbot/translation-server/translators/.git)
21:17 <@kanzure> Grognor: paperbot only fetches papers. there is no help.
21:18 < jrayhawk> Yeah, just give it a URL and hope for the best.
21:18 < Grognor> okay, so it only takes urls
21:18 < Grognor> that's what I wanted to know
21:18 <@kanzure> it also takes treats
21:18 <@kanzure> .botsnack 3
21:18 < yoleaux> :D
21:18 < Grognor> I was wondering if I could just say "Kahneman 1997" or something
21:18 <@kanzure> not yet.
21:18 < jrayhawk> That's a good idea, though.
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21:19 <@kanzure> Grognor: you're welcome to make the changes yourself
21:19 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
21:19 < Grognor> I can't code things
21:20 <@kanzure> anyone can code
21:20 < Grognor> counterexample: george washington
21:23 < jrayhawk> haha
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21:36 < nmz787> http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130122-how-we-became-biohackers-part-1/1
21:36 < nmz787> http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130123-hacking-genes-in-humble-settings
21:36 < nmz787> http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130124-biohacking-fear-and-the-fbi
21:40 < nmz787> 'But back in 2010, there was no thriving virtual community, no convenient how-to guides for the curious.'
21:40 < nmz787> umm
21:40 < nmz787> maybe they weren't looking?
21:40 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=985b7794 Bryan Bishop: add the third bbc/biohacking article
21:40 <@kanzure> haha
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21:41 <@kanzure> nmz787: it seems like every time tehre's a diybio article, people just redefine whatever history they want
21:41 <@kanzure> *there's
21:41 <@kanzure> meanwhile.. http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/news
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21:43 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5fa6ece1 Bryan Bishop: add oreilly radar article link
21:48 < nmz787> they PCRed ricin
21:49 < nmz787> geez, that's a little much to do just for kicks
21:49 < yashgaroth> who did
21:50 <@kanzure> in the bbc articles
21:51 <@kanzure> i think this is sascha's group in.. uh.. germany?
21:51 < nmz787> ya
21:51 < yashgaroth> argh 12 pages of stuff I know already
21:51 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: painful aint it
21:52 < yashgaroth> fucking bbc "future", 'view all' is the future
21:53 <@kanzure> paperbot is the future
21:53 < nmz787> ll
21:53 < nmz787> lol
21:53 < yashgaroth> so they didn't even get a visit from the polizei about it?
21:54 < nmz787> the first and last articles are alright
21:54 < nmz787> not much new to us
21:55 <@kanzure> i remember meeting sascha at the fbi event but i wasn't sure why he never posted to the diybio group
21:55 <@kanzure> if it's a language issue, then he should have just written emails in deutschlandtongue
21:55 < yashgaroth> he spoke english good
21:55 < nmz787> "Similarly, the ricin toxin found naturally in castor beans has been manufactured and used as a bioweapon, but no use of synthetic ricin bacteria or man-made toxin has been heard of  it is much easier to isolate the poison from plants or seeds than produce it from genetically engineered organisms. Nature is the better bioterrorist, says Wimmer."
21:57 < nmz787> heh, you could post a link to the transcripts at the bottom of that article
21:57 <@kanzure> oh yeah, i probably typed a transcript of his talk
21:57  * kanzure looks
21:57 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/sascha-karberg.txt
21:59 < nmz787> I guess you can't actually comment there
22:02 <@kanzure> i used to post articles about diybio to the diybio list, but it was sort of ironic and the articles were never that good
22:02 <@kanzure> so i sort of stopped
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22:08 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7434/full/nature11839.html
22:08 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Responsive%20biomimetic%20networks%20from%20polyisocyanopeptide%20hydrogels.pdf
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22:53 < nmz787> strange that sacha didn't post it
23:00 <@kanzure> i can't explain it
23:05 <@kanzure> why isn't the bone marrow transplant cures for hiv listed on the wikipedia article?
23:05 <@kanzure> or ccr5-related fixes. wtf.
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