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01:12 < archels> http://www.arboria.org/trailer/
01:13 < archels> oh heck, it's been out since 2010
01:13  * archels finds a torrent
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02:08 < archels> paperbot: http://chaos.aip.org/resource/1/chaoeh/v18/i1/p015115_s1
02:09 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/214b6b5f0ab38d6ceb7ea2f705fa3ee2.txt
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09:52 < archels> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1710927/
09:54 < eudoxia> i hope it's better than the title
09:55 < nmz787> heh
09:55 < nmz787> i like that one of the actors has my name
10:00 < chris_99> http://vimeo.com/21568412 trailer
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10:24 < nmz787> looks like it could be decent
10:26 <@kanzure> ah those fuckers moved the diybio eu mailing list
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10:46 < nmz787> mac is weird, he doesn't like replying to emails about stuff he's working on
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11:17 < juri_> point me to someone here who is not wierd. :)
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13:08 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/ja/journal/v62/n9/full/ja200976a.html
13:08 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/ja/journal/v62/n9/pdf/ja200976a.pdf
13:10 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.bioone.org/doi/full/10.3732/apps.1200497
13:10 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/673d924ffaf661f04f20962d8c3d3d63.txt
13:14 < nmz787> 'The idea is, after you eat a meal and wait 20 minutes (to let your food digest and get liquified and evenly dispersed) you then use the pump to remove 30 percent of your stomach contents. [I have no idea how it is able to gauge what 30 percent of your stomach contents are, but then again I dont know how a Segway works either.] You then spray these contents into a suitable disposal apparatus such as your toilet, or if you are an animal lover, a baby 
13:15 < nmz787> http://www.aspirebariatrics.com/about-the-aspireassist.html
13:17 < nmz787> 'The quick, 20 minute procedure is performed under conscious sedation  no general anesthesia is required.  '
13:17 < nmz787> 'Reversible. The AspireAssist can be removed, at any time, through a 15-minute outpatient procedure. It is performed under conscious sedation.
13:17 < nmz787> '
13:24 <@kanzure> haha scifinder is broken since browsers are blocking java now
13:24 <@kanzure> awesome
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14:33 <@kanzure> i think the github contributions calendar is shifting each day?
14:34 <@kanzure> at the moment the calendar starts at 2012-01-31 (tuesday)
14:34 <@kanzure> leaving two blank cells for the previous two days
14:37 < brownies> it shifts up? or left? or both?
14:37 <@kanzure> my visual acuity is unable to resolve movement over multiple days. maybe i should take some screenshots.
14:38 <@kanzure> my new plan is to push a single letter at a time. the "E" has been there for a few days now and the other letters weren't showing up.
14:38 <@kanzure> also, i checked my input and the "E" was supposed to be at least 1 cell from the bottom. so i'm not sure why github was rendering it at the bottom. :(
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15:46 < nmz787> ok so using the apache directory page index, i just threw together this gallery using galleria
15:47 < nmz787> http://nathanmccorkle.com/takeAparts/hybaid/gallery.html
15:47 < nmz787> so i can just drop gallery.html into any directory of images I have!
15:48 < nmz787> well, actually it was too slow without thumbnails, so i guess i have to always provide them as well
15:49 < nmz787> i guess i should add a fallback for 'thumb not present'
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16:34 <@kanzure> http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/miah20130131
16:34 <@kanzure> haha andy miah
16:35 <@kanzure> well at least he has published an opinion that might be potentially relevant, for once.
16:35 <@kanzure> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-01/30/lance-armstrong
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17:57 < nmz787> yashgaroth: sup
17:57 < yashgaroth> yo
17:57 < nmz787> how's everything been?
17:58 < yashgaroth> good, I'd say
17:58 < nmz787> i saw SD got that lifetech bldg?
17:58 < yashgaroth> hells yes
17:58 < nmz787> got any first projects plannd?
17:58 < yashgaroth> oh you know, myostatin inhibition and some shit about algae someone's doing
17:59 < nmz787> like doing the toxin purification from ecoli plasmid?
17:59 < yashgaroth> toxin?
17:59 < nmz787> err plasmid purification via removing endotoxin
17:59 < nmz787> *along with*
17:59 < nmz787> i remember you saying you needed a maxiprep
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17:59 < nmz787> but that the endotoxin needed scrubbed
18:00 < yashgaroth> yeah as it turns out I have a line on a process that works pretty well
18:00 < nmz787> cool
18:00 < yashgaroth> you can mix in some triton x-100 or -114, and apparently wash the column with ethanol to remove the rest
18:01 < yashgaroth> my main concern now it getting them sweet optimized plasmid backbones
18:01 < yashgaroth> people working on some pretty nice promoter/enhancer/synthetic intron/etc combos that I wanna get my hands on
18:01 < yashgaroth> also some sort of arduino-based bioreactor, though that's not critical
18:02 < nmz787> well i just got parts for a reactor myself
18:02 < nmz787> RH, temp sens and control
18:02 < nmz787> and found a good CO2 meter
18:02 < nmz787> like $150 in parts
18:03 < yashgaroth> I need an e.coli one, so dissolved oxygen and pH sensors, with a way to inject O2 and feed and acid/base
18:03 < nmz787> oh 192 atually https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkTsdtdxo56DdFpYU2RzVHVIYk4xbnVWNFVoUzlqclE#gid=0
18:04 < nmz787> ahh
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18:04 < yashgaroth> they do dissolved CO2?
18:04 < nmz787> it would be easier to measure CO2
18:04 < yashgaroth> yeah but e.coli don't give a fuck about CO2
18:04 < nmz787> you could prob just sample the air if you aerate it well enough
18:04 < nmz787> dont they emit it thou
18:04 < yashgaroth> yeah but they can deal with it
18:05 < yashgaroth> the sensor's gonna get soaked in a lot of media even if it's suspended above though
18:05 < nmz787> i would think you could infer o2 consumption based on co2 differentials
18:05 < nmz787> nah you could have some tyvek or somthing
18:05 < nmz787> plus its optical
18:05 < nmz787> NDIR
18:06 < yashgaroth> maybe, if CO2 sensing is that much easier
18:06 < nmz787> http://www.co2meter.com/collections/co2-sensors/products/k-30-co2-sensor-module
18:06 < nmz787> has an arduino code snippet
18:06 < yashgaroth> one of the downsides of reading papers that have much higher funding than us
18:07 < yashgaroth> however it does have upsides since we don't need to be anal about autoclaving
18:07 < nmz787> "Roughly, for every mole of O2
18:07 < nmz787>  taken up by a cell, 1 mole of carbon dioxide, CO2
18:07 < nmz787> , is produced.  "
18:07 < nmz787> http://www.merrick.com/merrickandcompany/media/Resources/Energy/Whitepapers/Stirred-Bioreactor-Engineering-for-Production-Scale-Part-1.pdf?ext=.pdf
18:07 < yashgaroth> you'd have to do some inference on translating that into how much O2 to inject, but it might be doable
18:09 < yashgaroth> then again I've also been considering running it at low temp for a really long time instead, would reduce the need for extra oxygen perhaps entirely
18:09 < yashgaroth> inoculate, come back a week later instead of 24 hours, no problem for me
18:11 < yashgaroth> extra problem is that almost all of this research is industry-funded, so they either don't publish, or pimp their own method to get sales
18:13 < yashgaroth> high-density e.coli cultures, that is
18:13 < nmz787> mm
18:15 < nmz787> what about a pH dye?
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18:16 < nmz787> is there a reason to not just always bubble in air?
18:16 < yashgaroth> if you can get good agitation with stirring, it might not be necessary
18:17 < yashgaroth> a pH dye might work, but with the e.coli densities you'd be getting, it might get hard to see
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18:52 <@kanzure> anyone know who this is? https://github.com/antped84
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19:43 <@kanzure> "In December nine polio vaccinators in Pakistan were murdered."
19:43 <@kanzure> http://annualletter.gatesfoundation.org/#nav=section4&slide=0
19:50 <@kanzure> haha his last survey question is "How trustworthy do you consider Bill Gates to be?"
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20:56 <@kanzure> i think some of my productivity might be correlated to weather
20:56 <@kanzure> at first i was thinking humidity, but the weather data doesn't seem to support that
20:56 <@kanzure> plus, it doesn't feel like average humidity is the reason
20:57 <@kanzure> i seem to write the most code during thunderstorms, but some of the summer thunderstorms dont count
20:57 <@kanzure> what other weather measurement should i look at?
20:57 < yashgaroth> try rainymood in the background, also barometric pressure
20:58 <@kanzure> barometric! /me checks
20:59 <@kanzure> eh, i doubt it's barometric pressure, unless it's something about inflection points over multiple days. which i hope it's not.
21:00 < yashgaroth> it seemed unlikely; maybe pollen count?
21:00 <@kanzure> oh actually relative humidity looks fairly accurate http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KAUS.html
21:00 <@kanzure> anything above 20% and i'm shot? that would suck.
21:01 < yashgaroth> lairs of doom in a desert just don't have the same feel
21:05 <@kanzure> "High levels of humidity lowered scores on concentration while increasing reports of sleepiness." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteoropathy
21:07 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00221309.1982.9709917
21:07 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/41e6d0abe8b8b055978f4ed0548c74b1.txt
21:08 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00221309.1982.9709917
21:08 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f17ae3b90479b2f05c6416c154a78e10.pdf
21:08 <@kanzure> ewww watermarks.
21:09 <@kanzure> "Southern folk wisdom" god damn it
21:11 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360132306003751
21:11 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Effect%20of%20humidity%20on%20human%20comfort%20and%20productivity%20after%20step%20changes%20from%20warm%20and%20humid%20environment.pdf
21:11 <@kanzure> "Subjective experiments were conducted to evaluate the effects of humidity on human comfort and productivity under transient conditions from hot and humid environment to thermally neutral condition. Two climate chambers, “Chamber 1” and “Chamber 2”, adjoined each other were used for this study."
21:11 <@kanzure> "Subjects were exposed to 30 °C/70%RH air in Chamber 1 for 15 min with 2.0 met of metabolic rate. Then they moved into Chamber 2, where 4 humidity conditions, 30, 40, 50 and 70%RH were examined."
21:11 <@kanzure> "ir temperature was adjusted to keep SET* constant at 25.2 °C for all conditions. Subjects were exposed in Chamber 2 for 180 min performing 2 kinds of simulated office work."
21:32 <@kanzure> hrm. well that's unfortunate (no gains in typing rate, although their setup was bizarre).
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22:02 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1015637127504
22:02 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Schumann%20Resonances%2C%20a%20plausible%20biophysical%20mechanism%20for%20the%20human%20health%20effects%20of%20Solar.pdf
22:02 < jrayhawk> hooray
22:03 <@kanzure> maybe paperbot should have better error messages
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22:21 <@kanzure> https://angel.co/markets
22:21 <@kanzure> https://angel.co/life-sciences
22:21 <@kanzure> i see transcriptic and cambrian genomics listed
22:21 <@kanzure> "benchling: github of biology".. yawn, i wish they would actually implement fucking git.
22:22 <@kanzure> "axio: Revolutionary method for objectively improving mental performance" uhuh..
22:22 <@kanzure> why is openpcr listed as a company?
22:23 < yashgaroth> "Aerin Medical: Stealth" does this mean they aren't releasing any info or do they do camouflaged surgery
22:23 <@kanzure> axio seems to work by eeg, how the fuck is that revolutionary
22:23 <@kanzure> what the hell
22:23 <@kanzure> "brainwaves"....
22:23 < yashgaroth> well you see, brainwaves can
22:24 <@kanzure> "Neural Disruption, Inc. we disrupt your brain by driving 2 meter rods through your skull"
22:26 < jrayhawk> there's nothing revolutionary about neurofeedback
22:30 <@kanzure> "EnChroma makes glasses that improve how all humans see color, and are the only solution to help to the 10 million Americans suffering from red/green color blindness. We implemented insights gleaned from our NIH sponsored research on improving human color vision through selective spectral filtration in a sunglass product."
22:31 < yashgaroth> so it blocks red or green light
22:31 < yashgaroth> but which one?! that's where the money's at
22:38 < brownies> just wait for them to file a patent, then build the other one
22:39  * AlonzoTG wants to develop the technology to print himself a GF.
22:40 < yashgaroth> what, I don't even
22:41 <@kanzure> ""Just Food100% real food meals for those on feeding tubes. Disrupting the $10B enteral food market."
22:42 < yashgaroth> I thought you made that up until I checked
22:43 <@kanzure> "we chew your gourmet food up for you, then puke it up and shove it down your feeding tube"
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22:46 < brownies> the marketing copy practically writes itself
22:46 <@kanzure> i am not able to load it (browser problems at the moment); can you summarize?
22:46 < yashgaroth> "sales hacker" is apparently a thing that exists, huh
22:46 <@kanzure> it's just madeup bullshit like "ninja hacker pirate"
22:47 < Hoax> not to be cynical but these days anytime you want to something to seem clever and edgy you just add the word hacker to the end of it
22:48 <@kanzure> hplusroadmaphackers
22:48 < yashgaroth> if I ever start a company and need to hire a janitor I will post the listing for a "cleanliness hacker"
22:48 < Hoax> whats sounds cooler "sales associate" or "sales hacker"
22:49 <@kanzure> who are you
22:49 < yashgaroth> motivational speakers are now "slacker hackers"
22:49 < Hoax> sorry I'm new
22:49 <@kanzure> how did you hear about this place?
22:50 < Hoax> i was loking for transhumanist related roooms and just sorta found it
22:50 < Hoax> looking*
22:51 < Hoax> I'm relatively new to it and have just been looking for communities where the ideas are discussed
22:51 < Hoax> you guys sounded promising
23:04 <@kanzure> weird, this one is just for reviewing medical equipment? https://procuredhealth.com/
23:04 <@kanzure> this one seems to do exoskeleton arm things https://angel.co/equipois
23:05 <@kanzure> http://www.equipoisinc.com/
23:05 <@kanzure> "zeroG is a patented mechanical arm technology that lets workers maneuver tools, parts and other payloads as if weightless, with unmatched freedom of motion."
23:06 <@kanzure> it would be nice to store and download recorded movements for that, although object lock-on probably sucks.
23:07 < yashgaroth> the video on https://angel.co/hourglass-technologies is quite horrifying
23:07 <@kanzure> oh, it's just an articulated jack?
23:07 <@kanzure> that is less interesting
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23:09 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: what. how does that work. that device makes no sense.
23:09 < yashgaroth> I should start one called Angelytics that analyzes the funding effects of putting "disruptive" into the blurb for your company
23:09 < yashgaroth> well you see, our robot overlords will need sustenance
23:12 < yashgaroth> anyway I must get some sleep so that video can disruptively haunt my nightmares
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23:12 <@kanzure> mail-in paper blood testing https://angel.co/talking20
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23:14 <@kanzure> "cloud clinical trials" https://angel.co/cloudclinica eh.. yeah i guess most clinical trial service providers are probably not computationally savvy, so i could see this working.
23:16 <@kanzure> brownies: https://angel.co/luminessence "Our mission is to develop and commercialize a portfolio of globally patented, proprietary, bioluminescent (light producing) protein based products that are edible."
23:16 <@kanzure> brownies: this probably includes cats
23:18 <@kanzure> this guy seems to be trying to do dropbox-for-pdfs-but-with-discussion http://www.paper-box.co/
23:20 < brownies> excellent
23:22 <@kanzure> https://angel.co/greenrx "Find the drugs you need. Trade the ones you don't." what.
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23:26 <@kanzure> http://www.surgerytheater.com/
23:27 <@kanzure> bone-conduction hearing aid https://angel.co/veryvoice (i thought this already exists?)
23:28 < brownies> i don't think you can do that with drugs
23:33 <@kanzure> ah excellent, https://angel.co/organ-transport-systems-1 "The LifeCradle preserves, monitors and transports hearts used in transplantation and will replace the picnic cooler currently used. "
23:33 <@kanzure> but how about other organs and how about actually using hte organs in a container?
23:33 <@kanzure> "The LifeCradle has been proven in published research at leading academic research centers to significantly extend the life of procured hearts from 4 to 24 hours. Over seventy percent of donated hearts are NOT transplanted in many cases because of a lack of preservation time in the picnic cooler.."
23:35 < brownies> 70%? holy hell.
23:36 <@kanzure> brownies: <1000 artificial hearts are in production at the moment
23:36 <@kanzure> "TripAdvisor for medical tourism" https://angel.co/medisherpa
23:36 <@kanzure> http://www.medisherpa.com/
23:36 < brownies> i feel like the artificial heart problem should have been solved by now.
23:36 <@kanzure> it was solved, the artificial heart works
23:37 < brownies> so then what's the problem? why are so few in production?
23:37 <@kanzure> not sure
23:37 < brownies> =/
23:38 <@kanzure> weird. medisherpa focuses on hotels. i'd be more interested in clinics specializing in certain procedures.
23:47 <@kanzure> is there an online marketplace for patent rights yet?
23:48 <@kanzure> hah https://angel.co/weedmaps-media "yelp for 'medical' marijuana"
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23:52 <@kanzure> another hilarious "half-baked" one https://angel.co/dankbay
23:54 < strangewarp> naive guess: heart transplants could prop up some profitable sub-industries that are surviving through inertia and/or dirty tricks
23:55 <@kanzure> i think it's because people realized that heart transplants work
23:57 <@kanzure> man these guys suck at doing things on the web, http://localizedtherapeutics.com/ but they claim to be doing gene therapy with light-controlled gene expression.
23:59 <@kanzure> "Unlike the current commerical formulas that make up the $10 billion enteral market, Just Food meals will not contain corn syrup, additives, preservatives or anything other than real food."
23:59 <@kanzure> .. ah.
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