--- Log opened Sun Feb 10 00:00:56 2013
00:01 < strangewarp> hmm
00:03 < strangewarp> http://www.emdrive.com/yang-juan-paper-2012.pdf - Here's the relevant paper, on that propellantless microwave thruster. I've got skepticism set to maximum, and people in another channel are ragging on me for even reading about it because it's so obviously impossible that I apparently should reject the information without reviewing it...
00:05 < strangewarp> I can't seem to get any straight opinions on this thing from anyone, and that's annoying
00:07 < strangewarp> [01:04] <+NewtypeDan2> Timecube drive
00:07 < strangewarp> [01:06] <+NewtypeDan2> Four corner engine with four equal sides
00:07 < strangewarp> [01:06] <+NewtypeDan2> Bastards who are educated stupid don't know timecube engine
00:08 < kanzure> you guys should report more watermarks: https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues?state=open
00:08 < strangewarp> I'm pretty sure it violates the third law of thermodynamics, hmm
00:20 < strangewarp> Damn, I got pretty brutally mocked by some friends just now over this thing, even though I was actively saying I'm skeptical as all heck over it. Insufficient dismissiveness will be met with 10 minutes of Timecube jokes, I guess
00:22 < strangewarp> Then again, in that group of friends, I'm regarded as The Robot Cult Guy, so.
00:22  * strangewarp blah
00:32 < cpopell> there is some seriously cool shit hidden in the annals of fdm stuff
00:41 < JayDugger> Let China sail its black EMdrive-ships into the skies of America. 1853 was a good year.
00:51 < brownies> strangewarp: i read the wired article about it
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00:51 < brownies> in its defense, it was not the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
00:51 < strangewarp> hmm...
00:51 < JayDugger> Watch the skies!
00:52 < brownies> is it sad that my first thought upon opening the PDF is, "man, i'd take this more seriously if they typeset it with latex" ?
00:52 < JayDugger> No, and that might provide a layer of crackpot detection.
00:53 < strangewarp> Yeah, a couple things about that new paper triggered my crackpot alarm as well.
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00:56 < brownies> http://www.emdrive.com/theorypaper9-4.pdf
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01:23 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0021979788900549
01:23 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Basic%20characteristics%20and%20applications%20of%20aerosil.txt
01:23 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=272564&_user=1694017&_pii=0021979788900549&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=1988--30&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLzVlV-zSkWA&pid=1-s2.0-0021979788900549-main.pdf&_valck=1&md5=02d931afc671ce0525ae8aaf7feba61d&ie=/sdarticle.pdf
01:23 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d5377c6dd107cf3e87f9ea67f5ae785d.txt
01:23 < kanzure> huh.
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01:52 < jrayhawk> How does it violate the third law?
01:57 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum
01:58 < jrayhawk> errr,
01:58 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Classical_electromagnetism
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01:59 < strangewarp> Oh er, I was thinking of the Law of Conservation of Momentum, actually, since the engine seems like it ought to be a closed system and therefore produce no external effect..
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03:09 < nmz787> paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0960-1317/21/10/105020
03:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Anti-stiction%20coating%20of%20PDMS%20moulds%20for%20rapid%20microchannel%20fabrication%20by%20double%20replica%20moulding.pdf
03:09 < nmz787> mwah haha hah
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04:35 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.201100227/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
04:36 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bbef73ea617b28cd867cd0349f5b27ab.txt
04:38 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.201100227/pdf
04:38 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b52a7244a7225c0f72b5c28b417abbe2.txt
04:39 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/elps.201100227/asset/3138_ftp.pdf
04:39 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7c89bfc9f3002f92e97e79fcdbe02a70.txt
04:39 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.201100227/pdf
04:39 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d22d75f93c7b2051dbff039c354b43f4.txt
04:40 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/store/10.1002/elps.201100227/asset/3138_ftp.pdf?v=1&t=hd06kdkw&s=b72cab9a82196e878b04a808ca10962724d49ee6
04:40 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8a1042fadc83848c76d5695b0dd0d735.pdf
04:40 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/elps.201100227/asset/3138_ftp.pdf?v=1&t=hd06kdkw&s=b72cab9a82196e878b04a808ca10962724d49ee6
04:40 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9f951fbbfa16b944fe06c2bee81c5b4c.pdf
04:40 < nmz787> kanzure: why did paperbot store two same files?
04:41 < nmz787> isn't the filename the file's hash or something?
04:41 < nmz787> checksum?
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04:56 < strangewarp> Hmmmm
04:57 < strangewarp> I could maybe start a business delivering weed via drones, depending on how Colorado's weed laws and the US's commercial drone laws turn out..
04:57 < chris_99> lol
04:57 < strangewarp> it's the most 2010's business proposition ever, I know
04:58 < chris_99> maybe you could combine it with an off-shore remote controlled boat grow-op
04:59 < strangewarp> Wouldn't need to, if you had a gagle of ringers who visited a grow co-op often enough to be able to claim to live there part-time (note: this is a known grey-area loophole in the current personal-level legalization laws, and may be closed when the commercial laws are released)
05:00 < strangewarp> *gaggle
05:01 < strangewarp> If that were the case, you'd have to give away the weed itself for free, but you could accept donations.. or have a membership fee for prompt delivery or something
05:01 < chris_99> heh
05:01 < strangewarp> I'm pretty sure there are enough anti-weed people on the panel figuring out the commercial weed laws that delivery for commercial-licensed dispensaries will be totally off the table.
05:04 < strangewarp> Then again, drone delivery may not legally count as delivery, not necessarily..
05:05 < strangewarp> And you could still deliver from a grow co-op, if the personal-growing loophole that could allow for legal-but-unlicensed co-ops isn't closed.
05:05 < strangewarp> I love the legal gymnastics of the idea, regardless..
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05:27 < strangewarp> Hmmm
05:28 < strangewarp> Apparently you can still use drones commercially in the US, but they have to be manned drones, and the operator has to have an FAA Pilot License..
05:28 < strangewarp> That's pretty useless
05:29 < chris_99> how is a manned drone a drone ;)
05:29 < strangewarp> yeah exactly
05:29 < strangewarp> well like, driven by a human pilot on the ground, basically
05:29 < chris_99> ah
05:36 < strangewarp> Betting the regulations for commercial UAV use in the US will require you to buy an extremely spendy license and follow a bunch of silly rules
05:36 < strangewarp> blah
05:37 < strangewarp> Maybe I'd have better luck in Uruguay...
05:39 < strangewarp> Hm, it seems drones under 55 pounds will be able to be used commercially around May 2013? Having trouble finding any information more specific than that, though
05:40 < strangewarp> maybe I should join a drone-enthusiast channel..
05:41 < chris_99> heh, i quite like the idea of Quadcopters
05:41 < chris_99> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ojIz5Mai2Rw
05:42 < chris_99> ^ quadcopter vs the police
05:43 < strangewarp> hahaha
05:43 < strangewarp> "Oh no, French cops!"
05:43 < strangewarp> sacre bleu
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06:03 < strangewarp> Hmmm
06:08 < strangewarp> seems that thestate.ae has made an open request for futurist bloggers, for paid positions. I'm tempted to pitch them some sort of thing, even though I don't have any experience as a formal journalist or futurist..
06:12 < strangewarp> link - http://www.thestate.ae/write-for-the-state-online/
06:15 < chris_99> cool
06:15 < chris_99> hadn't seen that site before
06:15 < strangewarp> It's a good blog, if you're a blog-readish kind of person.
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08:48 < chris_99> http://www.slashgear.com/laser-3d-prints-tiny-spaceship-the-width-of-a-human-hair-10268744/
08:48 < strangewarp> Now make a functional one.
08:49 < chris_99> heh
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10:09 < kanzure> nmz787: the filename is just a random string.
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10:45 < kanzure> "In bioprospecting for new enzymes, I could"
10:45 < kanzure> bio.. prospecting.
10:45 < kanzure> bioword
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11:03 < juri_> ultrabioprospectism -- making german proud.
11:14 < archels> needs more squarequotes.
11:23 < strangewarp> ~=~*~ retweet this if you are a Beautiful Transhumaneste who does Bioprospecting every daye ~*~=~
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11:49 < brownies> kanzure: that's a pretty nice bioportmanteau
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12:21 < kanzure> "Accidental cross pollination lawsuits have never happened" what
12:39 < phm_> read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando_%28novel%29 ?
12:42 < bkero> hehcellerando
12:42 < kanzure> phm_: no, i don't recommend it
12:43  * bkero recommends it.
12:44 < kanzure> charlie just reuses a lot of stuff from other books, you could get more entertainment out of orion's arm.
12:44 < phm_> How did I guess you were going to say something like that?
12:45 < kanzure> because you read the logs and saw my opinion about charlie before.
12:45 < phm_> You remind me of hipsters. Is there a word for science-hipsters?
12:45 < phm_> I did not.
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12:45 <@kanzure> if you want to be a hipster, get out
12:46 < phm_> I don't like them. That's why I'm not happy that you remind me of one.
12:46 <@kanzure> or, you're making up bullshit because you do like them
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12:47 < brownies> hahah
12:48 < yashgaroth> I just found a sweet vintage lab coat at the thrift shop guys
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12:49 < yashgaroth> stained with chemicals you've probably never heard of
12:49 <@kanzure> did you science it yet?
12:49 < yashgaroth> nah that's so last month
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12:51 < brownies> haha. nice.
12:52 < chris_99> i wonder if theres a market for tie-dyed lab coats
12:52 <@kanzure> chris_99: the preceding conversation was not serious, please don't
12:54 < chido> the people at my lab don't even wear labcoats. I find that disappointing
12:54 < chris_99> heh
12:55 < chris_99> i just started playing around with gitlab, theres images for Xen, which work pretty nicely
12:56 <@kanzure> pfft gitlab. how about piny.
12:56 < chris_99> piny?
12:56 <@kanzure> it's what diyhpl.us is using
12:56 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit
12:57 <@kanzure> http://piny.be/
12:57 < chris_99> hmm, i like gitlab's interface more than cgit's
12:57 <@kanzure> Edit RecentChanges Page History Repo Info
12:57 <@kanzure> Piny.be is a Git/Ikiwiki project hosting service using the freely available Piny management engine.
12:57 <@kanzure> oops
12:57 <@kanzure> i didn't mean to paste
12:57 <@kanzure> nobody is supposed to use cgit's web interface, you should use it from the shell
13:00 < chris_99> hmm, gitlab does the wiki/issue stuff which is why i use  the UI
13:00 <@kanzure> all diyhpl.us repos are wikis, so you can just use a normal text editor instead of a browser to edit a wiki
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13:55 < BioGuy> nmz787, you around?
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15:10 <@kanzure> hah "This work has been motivated by the fact that Google's teams contacted me to make me stop advising ACRA users to send their reports to Google Forms"
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15:21 <@kanzure> someone should study typing efficiency with and without latex gloves.
15:24 <@kanzure> maybe one day i will be this cool http://www.bitrebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Comic-Con-Cosplay-Costumes-10.jpg
15:37 < brownies> do you type slower with gloves? why should it matter?
15:38 <@kanzure> wind resistance? i dunno.
15:38 <@kanzure> i mean, air resistance.
15:39 <@kanzure> i mean, friction.
15:43 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002890
15:43 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Connecting%20a%20Connectome%20to%20Behavior%3A%20An%20Ensemble%20of%20Neuroanatomical%20Models%20of%20C.%20elegans%20Klinotaxis.pdf
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15:43 <@kanzure> the graph diagram on page 4 seems somewhat pointless -_-
15:44 <@kanzure> is that really necessary
15:52 <@kanzure> pdfparnaoia has been installed (from pypi) 1302 times.
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17:12 <@kanzure> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=filetype%3Apdf+"Google+Indexer"+-site%3Aama-assn.org
17:13 <@kanzure> so, because of the way that publishers implement watermarks, "Google Indexer" appears in many pdfs that it indexes
17:13 <@kanzure> because for some reason it's the same across multiple publishers
17:13 <@kanzure> i wonder how this is configured? i don't think it's by user agent.
17:13 <@kanzure> sometimes the value in the watermark seems to be "guest"
17:14 <@kanzure> other times it seems to be the name of the university, or a person's name that has an account on the publisher's site.
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17:14 <@kanzure> so maybe it's a cookie that "Google Indexer" gets from the publisher? or all of these publishers give access to google by ip address?
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17:16 <@kanzure> for example, https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=site%3Ajbc.org+"Google+Indexer"
17:16 <@kanzure> "Institution: Google Indexer"
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17:20 <@kanzure> https://www.google.com/search?q="Google+Indexer"+"66.249*"
17:20 <@kanzure> "All rights reserved. Information downloaded from jco.ascopubs.org and provided by Google Indexer on January 21, 2013 from 66.249.74.35"
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17:24 <@kanzure> "Journal of Human Lactation [Google Indexer]"
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19:10 <@kanzure> haha three people per week http://sivers.org/people-per-week
19:10 <@kanzure> what a lightweight
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19:10 <@kanzure> i seem to be doing 15/week on average(?)
19:10  * kanzure pokes his data
19:19 <@kanzure> so uh.. http://ojs.vre.upei.ca/index.php/psychomusicology/article/view/831
19:20 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ojs.vre.upei.ca/index.php/psychomusicology/article/view/831
19:20 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c0d71df0cd1ac8c612802daf86b52512.txt
19:20 <@kanzure> SELECT * FROM sessions WHERE session_id = g8aalr5u1jea12l9rnfdoeecv6
19:20 <@kanzure> there's raw sql listed on this page
19:20 <@kanzure> and lots of php file path stuff
19:21 <@kanzure> google also has this page cached
19:21 <@kanzure> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpsycnet.apa.org%2Fjournals%2Fpmu%2F7%2F2%2F109.pdf&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpsycnet.apa.org%2Fjournals%2Fpmu%2F7%2F2%2F109.pdf&gs_l=hp.3...102.883.0.1163.7.6.0.0.0.0.154.675.2j4.6.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.2.hp.qPCBh73QDYk
19:22 <@kanzure> and the google scholar session_id was a5oksjp24hl2d4dp83ce5e5jg5 which i think you could possibly use to get papers from this ojs installation, maybe, if the session_id is not tied to an ip address
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19:52 < yashgaroth> so jojack was like 'there's this guy who has some equipment he wants to donate, can you help move it in today'
19:52 < yashgaroth> two tissue culture hoods, two fume hoods, floor centrifuge, large bench centrifuge, six CO2 incubators, liquid handling robot, 20 vacuum pumps
19:53 < yashgaroth> oh and an HPLC
19:53 < yashgaroth> he's coming back tuesday with another similarly sized amount
19:53 < yashgaroth> oh and a -80 freezer and like three -20s
19:54 < yashgaroth> fuckin' 26 foot truck crammed to the brim
19:56 <@kanzure> "some" equipment
19:56 < yashgaroth> oh and an LN2 storage vessel
19:56 <@kanzure> i suggest starting inventory now while you're ahead
19:56 < yashgaroth> oh and an autoclave
19:56 < yashgaroth> too much inventory, not enough time
19:57 <@kanzure> setup a spreadsheet on google docs (or whatever) and force people to type shit up when you add it to your collection
19:57 < yashgaroth> anyway that's jojack's job
19:57 <@kanzure> if you don't do it now, you will never have an inventory
19:57 <@kanzure> this is speaking from experience :(
19:57 < yashgaroth> he also has various "reagents" in the -20s, didn't take a look
19:57 <@kanzure> and this equipment is working?
19:58 < yashgaroth> seems to be, we only plugged in the freezers
19:58 < yashgaroth> the TC hoods are the same model we had at our old job, same with the fume hood
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19:59 < yashgaroth> the vacuum pumps are a crapshoot, but like I say we have 20 to cannibalize; everything else appears quite good condition
19:59 < yashgaroth> anyway we have jcline to get all the electronic parts working
20:00 < yashgaroth> guy says he has shaking incubators in the next run, and with those I'd have everything I need equipment-wise
20:02 <@kanzure> floor centrifuge is just a euphemism for saying ultracentrifuge?
20:02 < yashgaroth> nah it only goes maybe 20,000g's, but you can do 6 liters at a time
20:02 < yashgaroth> ultracentrifuges are obsolete, at least the techniques they're used for
20:03 < yashgaroth> that was my big worry for expensive, fuck spinning down a 6 liter batch of fermentation in tiny tubes
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20:04 < delinquentme> nmz787, hey you around?
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20:09 <@kanzure> delinquentme: are you in sf?
20:22 < delinquentme> yeah
20:22 <@kanzure> did you move there?
20:24 < delinquentme> ja
20:24 < delinquentme> over at johns right now
20:24 < delinquentme> talking mas spec
20:24 < delinquentme> nmz787, prisms
20:28 <@kanzure> john schloendorn?
20:28 <@kanzure> or john cumbers
20:28 <@kanzure> fear the mysterious powers of google:
20:28 <@kanzure> watermark: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/67/6/1108.full.pdf
20:28 <@kanzure> no watermark: http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fajcn.nutrition.org%2Fcontent%2F67%2F6%2F1108.full.pdf
20:29 < superkuh> Huh.
20:29 < superkuh> Neat.
20:29 <@kanzure> you can generate those urls easily via https://docs.google.com/viewer
20:30 <@kanzure> unfortunately it does not use the same ip address as google-indexer/googlebot :(
20:31 <@kanzure> but google instant preview uses the googlebot ip addresses.. sadly it does not seem to render pdfs. plus you would need some xss flaw to be able to get it to send you pdfs.
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20:32 <@kanzure> more details: https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front/browse_thread/thread/a1cf073711b97b00
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20:40 < delinquentme> schloendorns
20:46 < delinquentme> kanzure what do right now
20:47 <@kanzure> delinquentme: you could work on watermark removal, https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues has some sample files that aren't yet working
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20:53 <@kanzure> hmm i bet 108.218.105.253 is schloendorn's ip address
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21:47 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: what do you mean ultracentrifuges are obsolete? all protocols that require them can be modified to use something less ridiculous?
21:48 < yashgaroth> the "spin for 38 hours at 5 million g's in a cesium or sucrose gradient" protocols have been mostly replaced with alternatives
21:49 < yashgaroth> maybe for separating organelles they'd be good, if you're into that
21:49 <@kanzure> heh, but i don't think i ever used a protocol that called for >30min of spin time
21:49 <@kanzure> yes i was into that
21:49 < yashgaroth> you ain't done enough time with ultras
21:49 <@kanzure> prolly not
21:50 < yashgaroth> dna purification is (was) a 24-hour deal, not sure about other stuff
21:51 <@kanzure> dna pelleting doesn't take that long
21:51 <@kanzure> ... does it? oh god what have i done.
21:51 < yashgaroth> nope, but back in ye olden days it was the best way to purify it
21:51 < yashgaroth> nah pelleting's about an hour, albeit at a fairly high speed
21:51 <@kanzure> olden days= 1990s?
21:51 < yashgaroth> mhm, pre-history
21:52 < yashgaroth> anyway, scripps has some publicly-accessible ultrafuges, not that they'd agree with that description
21:53 <@kanzure> in one of the labs i worked in, we had rows of them
21:53 <@kanzure> about the size of washing machines
21:54 < yashgaroth> I've never actually had to use one, and I'm fine with that
21:56 < yashgaroth> the one now at the lab is a j2-21, didn't get to see which rotor's in it tho
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22:13 <@kanzure> alyx_: hello
22:14 < alyx_> kanzure: hihi
22:18 <@kanzure> what brings you this way?
22:19 < alyx_> to learn about h+
22:19 < alyx_> I don't really know much
22:39 < archbox> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/nov2010_The-Drug-Virtually-Everyone-Should-Ask-their-Doctor-About_01.htm
22:39 < archbox> wow. metformin seems really cool
22:40 < ManaLord> interesting... thanx
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22:45 < ManaLord> there are just a few synthetic compounds on the market I put my money on, and most were discovered before this crazy system where they earn money by keeping people sick...
22:46 <@yashgaroth> damn illuminati keeping the cure for cancer secret
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22:48 < archbox> ManaLord: what compounds?
22:48 < archbox> yashgaroth: haha
22:53 < ManaLord> methylene blue (helped cure malaria way back in the day), piracetam (and some of the derivatives), C60, hydrogen peroxide (useful for all kinds of things)... hmm... and possibly noopept...
22:53 < ManaLord> but the last one is just a new addition...
22:53 < archbox> I take the first two
22:54 < archbox> What dose do you supplement MB?
22:54 < ManaLord> yep, not togther,  hope
22:54 <@yashgaroth> take it to #reddit-nootropics fellas
22:54 < archbox> MB isn't a noot
22:54 <@yashgaroth> I don't care
22:56 < ManaLord> I used to take it in my morning tea (cold tea), and I had it diluted in water in a bottle, so I don't know the exact dose, but it was pretty small. And for me it started to sort of clear things up, feeling cleaner...
22:57 < ManaLord> also it made me warmer
22:58 < ManaLord> after days of taking it, it increased blood-flow into hands and feet, possibly increasing metabolic rate
22:59 < ManaLord> I think it also made breathing more effective (a felt higher oxygen-uptake)
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23:00 < ManaLord> hello
23:02 < archbox> Same
23:03 < archbox> Blue piss?
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23:11 < nmz787> BioGuy: hi
23:18 < ManaLord> hi
23:18 < ManaLord> no blue came out of any orifice...
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