--- Log opened Sat Feb 16 00:00:02 2013 00:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:09 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:10 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@c-24-21-161-30.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:13 < nmz787> hi BioGuy 00:40 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:43 < JayDugger> kanzure, Did you apply for membership to BioCurious Printer Hacking? 00:51 <@kanzure> maybe a long time ago, dunno 00:51 < nmz787> i think i'm a member 00:55 -!- u-metacognition [~metacogni@99-7-58-96.lightspeed.davlca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 01:08 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@c-24-21-161-30.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:25 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-11.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:37 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-11.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:06 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:07 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:07 -!- qu-bit_ [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:11 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:43 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-11.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 03:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:30 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:36 -!- ManaLord [~manalord@c-9ebae455.37-0081-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 < chris_99> is it possible to cross-breed yeast if that's the correct term, so if i for example extracted the DNA from a pure yeast culture, could i introduce it into another culture? 05:18 <@fenn> yes, but that's usually called transfection or transformation 05:19 < chris_99> thanks, i didn't know the correct terminology 05:21 < chris_99> if i was to do that at home, could i then culture the new yeast, and perform electrophoresis, to see whether i had actually modified it compared to the results from the original yeasts 05:21 <@fenn> it's worth noting that yeast can reproduce sexually 05:22 < chris_99> i thought they where asexual 05:22 <@fenn> swings both ways 05:24 <@fenn> are you talking about DNA fingerprinting? 05:25 < chris_99> i was yeah, but i didn't thinking brewers yeast interbred, because it uses mitosis doesn't it 05:31 <@fenn> i dont actually know whether meiotic recombination is higher efficiency than electroporation 05:32 <@fenn> either way you'll probably have to select for a trait 05:32 <@fenn> this is a bit too hypothetical for me 05:42 < chris_99> "When diploid cells begin to run out of food, they undergo meiosis" didn't know that. Cheers for you're help, i'll do some more reading 05:44 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-176-51-26.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Is a man not entitled to the boot in his face?] 05:56 -!- sardonic is now known as mutagen 06:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 06:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-176-51-26.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- indigenous [~indigenou@pdpc/supporter/student/indigenous] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28 -!- indigenous [~indigenou@85.210.227.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:28 -!- indigenous [~indigenou@85.210.227.2] has quit [Changing host] 06:28 -!- indigenous [~indigenou@pdpc/supporter/student/indigenous] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:27 -!- Skittyplus [~Skittyplu@c-67-175-186-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 < Skittyplus> Hey guys, I've found about about this community and I'm really interested in knowing more 08:30 < Skittyplus> I've been looking into the implications of whats theoretically possible in the future through biohacking and understanding genomics and now I want to know everything I can to get started 08:31 < Skittyplus> Anyone do any biohacking here? 08:31 < Skittyplus> or anyone know anything about genomes? 08:34 < chris_99> have a look at the wiki in the topic btw theres lots of useful stuff, also this book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Molecular-Biology-Cell-Bruce-Alberts/dp/0815341067 is cool 08:45 < Skittyplus> That book looks interesting I may take a look at it sometime 08:51 <@fenn> "the implications of what's theoretically possible in the future" makes me think of orion's arm 08:52 <@fenn> Skittyplus: i'm afraid there's a huge gap between how genetic engineering is actually practiced and how it's talked about 08:53 < Mariu> fenn: any news of Orion's Arm MMO ? 08:54 <@fenn> no idea, sorry 08:57 -!- ManaLord [~manalord@c-9ebae455.37-0081-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:00 < Skittyplus> fenn: I'm starting to realize that, but even if theres a huge gap I don't mind, that means there is a lot more to be discovered 09:00 < Skittyplus> It's good to be an early adopter of things :) 09:02 < Skittyplus> That's not to say there isn't amazing things going on right now either. The whole fact that biology is begining to be practiced by non-universities and corporations is a giant leap in the right direction 09:03 <@fenn> depends on your definition i guess 09:05 -!- qu-bit_ [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:05 < Skittyplus> It does, I don't know I just find this really facinating right now, I don't really know too much about what's going on I heard about this and now I'm fascinated 09:07 < Skittyplus> I'm going to have to learn more about biology and GM before I start to realize the limitations 09:13 -!- archbox_ [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 -!- docl [~Freenode@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 < docl> I'm looking to understand more about chicken eyes, as I'm under the impression that they would serve as a good model for inexpensive cryonics research. 09:22 < docl> hrm. maybe instead of googling, I should try my local library. 09:49 -!- docl [~Freenode@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 10:24 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:48 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 -!- ManaLord [~manalord@c-9ebae455.37-0081-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:09 -!- Urchin[Emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- VALIS [b0fe431b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.254.67.27] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 < VALIS> hey all 11:11 < VALIS> whats going on 11:16 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-164-121.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:16 < VALIS> hey eudoxia 11:17 < eudoxia> hey VALIS 11:18 < VALIS> whats going on 11:18 < eudoxia> i dunno i just logged in 11:18 < eudoxia> check the logs 11:19 < VALIS> im trying to work out an angle for synthetic biology and international development 11:25 -!- joehot [~not@64.231.129.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29 <@kanzure> https://github.com/flx/luaCSG 11:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-164-121.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:52 -!- VALIS [b0fe431b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.254.67.27] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59 <@kanzure> that was the deskgen.com guy 12:00 -!- joehot [~not@64.231.129.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 <@kanzure> docl: maybe you should consider sending out some emails to the existing authors on nearby subjects. 12:08 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 <@kanzure> common latencies https://gist.github.com/jboner/2841832 12:30 <@kanzure> possibly useful hosted phantomjs thing http://tubes.io/ (haven't tried it yet) 12:36 -!- Charlie [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:06 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:08 <@kanzure> huh.... fbi foia request turned up nothing. 13:20 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-11.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 <@kanzure> 404 file not found. 13:46 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@c-24-21-161-30.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- archbox_ is now known as archbox 13:58 < streety> kanzure, that seems amazingly quick 13:59 <@kanzure> the request was sent 2013-01-27 14:13 < jrayhawk> if you request it again, you can see your first request 14:17 <@kanzure> i made requests in 2009 and 2010 14:24 < jrayhawk> oh, weird 14:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45 <@kanzure> is there any evidence that other people see their own foia requests when they make a request the next time? 14:56 < jrayhawk> jblake did 15:05 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06 <@kanzure> what does this mean? 15:24 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:02 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@c-24-21-161-30.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:14 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:30 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@c-24-21-161-30.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:30 < BioGuy> Hey! 16:41 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:42 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:47 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:00 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@c-24-21-161-30.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:05 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:06 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 -!- underscor [~quassel@199.96.82.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:28 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30 -!- underscor [~quassel@199.96.82.64] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:37 -!- underscor [~quassel@199.96.82.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:38 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43 -!- underscor [~quassel@199.96.82.64] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:13 -!- Charlie [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 < nmz787> kanzure: any ideas for how to add a timeout for touch events in android? 18:16 < nmz787> i'm using jcrop and it's hard to scroll 18:17 < nmz787> because it doesn't differentiate betweena scroll tap and a crop tap 18:31 <@kanzure> there's a getLongPressTimeout 18:31 <@kanzure> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewConfiguration.html 18:33 <@kanzure> iirc it's something about overriding onTouchEvent and adding in your own callback that gets triggered after some amount of time 18:33 <@kanzure> possibly android.view.GestureDetector.SimpleOnGestureListener 18:47 < nmz787> is that in jquery? 18:47 < nmz787> i'm working on a web page 18:47 <@kanzure> i assumed you meant you were working in java 18:48 <@kanzure> anyway in javascript you'll have to bind some event handlers to click/tap/mousedown/mouseup/mousemove. 18:49 <@kanzure> like this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/2625240/687783 18:56 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:56 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: sup? 18:57 < yashgaroth> nm 18:57 < yashgaroth> didn't get to meet with the la biohackers 18:58 < yashgaroth> mostly just played board games with programmers 19:10 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 19:19 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269310003370 19:19 < paperbot> KeyError: u'\u2013' (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py", line 1268, in quote) 19:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:25 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=0253a0a9 Bryan Bishop: allow unicode in filenames when returning a url 19:25 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 19:25 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-02-17 03:25:51) 19:25 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269310003370 19:25 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Radial%20motion%20into%20an%20EinsteinRosen%20bridge.pdf 19:34 <@kanzure> "However, Akrit’s progress came at a price: frustrated with the perceived lack of support for his gifted son, Akrit’s father became depressed and left the family home last year, telling him not to get in touch until Akrit had found a cure for cancer." 19:36 < brownies> kanzure: wtf? 19:37 -!- pwang_ [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:38 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:38 <@kanzure> brownies: agreed. 19:39 < brownies> kanzure: source? 19:40 <@kanzure> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1604355/posts 19:40 <@kanzure> the story is mostly unverified and uninteresting, i just found that particular quote amusing. 19:45 <@kanzure> evidence that the hearing aid industry is broken (no surprise) http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/12/hear-well-in-a-noisy-world/index.htm 19:45 < streety> Channel 5 isn't exactly known for its robust reporting - still, good luck to the kid 19:49 -!- pwang_ [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:50 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@99-25-200-252.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:50 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@99-25-200-252.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:50 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:18 -!- panax [panax@131.247.116.190] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 < panax> just got back my 23andme 20:28 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Quit: ...unyaaa ~~~] 21:00 < archbox> Nice 21:00 < archbox> panax: think it was worth it? 21:04 -!- u-metacognition [~metacogni@99-7-58-96.lightspeed.davlca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:18 < panax> yeah 21:18 < panax> i have apoe4/4 21:19 < panax> so im highest risk of alzheimer's 21:32 <@fenn> better start chugging the magnesium 21:35 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-11.flip.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46 < jrayhawk> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=alzheimers+insulin+resistance usual metabolic syndrome stuff 21:48 -!- archbox [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:54 -!- archbox [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 < ParahSail1n> just eat enough cholesterol and youll be fine 22:03 < nmz787> fenn: sup 22:04 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-3.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:12 -!- Skittyplus [~Skittyplu@c-67-175-186-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15 -!- docl [~Freenode@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:23 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36 <@kanzure> fenn: oscope recommendations? 22:50 < docl> http://www.nih.gov/science/models/nmm/appd.html chickens are much cheaper for embryonic research, at least. still not sure about eye research (compared to mice). 22:56 -!- ManaLord [~manalord@c-9ebae455.37-0081-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:57 < docl> kanzure: good idea. I'll hunt for some email addresses of authors. 23:03 -!- archbox [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:08 -!- ManaLord [~manalord@c-9ebae455.37-0081-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09 -!- archbox [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- docl [~Freenode@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24 <@fenn> i haven't looked at oscilloscopes in years.. my knowledge is rather out of date. it also depends what you want to use it for 23:27 <@kanzure> well, it seems dumb that probes/function generators/whatever rolled into an antique box should cost so much. 23:27 <@kanzure> surely you can just buy some shitbox and throw in a card and write, you know, software? 23:30 <@fenn> well if you only want ~20kHz sampling you can use a soundcard and the "oscope" software package 23:32 <@fenn> package xoscope 23:32 <@fenn> it should be possible to mash together a high speed ADC, RAM, oscillator, and USB interface 23:32 <@fenn> and a counter 23:33 <@fenn> i had a project a while ago to build the "miniLA" and add an ADC, but the extremely fine-pitch soldering was a hang up 23:35 <@kanzure> thanks, that's exactly what i wanted. 23:36 <@fenn> you have to bypass the input filter capacitors on the soundcard if you want to measure DC signals 23:37 <@fenn> maybe using a cheap USB soundcard is more convenient overall 23:51 < nmz787> propscope has a creative commons schematic 23:51 < nmz787> and propalyzer software seems pretty good 23:51 < nmz787> all the high speed ADCs are SMD components that don't have legs to solder onto --- Log closed Sun Feb 17 00:00:03 2013