--- Log opened Sun Feb 24 00:00:09 2013 00:14 <@kanzure> who among you has an emotiv epoc? 01:05 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:09 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:25 < archels> sheena1: check out http://www.bunniestudios.com/ 01:27 < archels> kanzure: was it scathen^C who reverse engineered its protocol or is my memory failing me? 01:28 <@kanzure> archels: it was me, then daeken came along and picked up my slack. 01:29 <@kanzure> archels: i've been fixing the gyro byte parsing and a few other things https://github.com/kanzure/emokit/commits/develop 01:29 <@kanzure> some other people have been really trashing this library.. the battery stuff is all wrong. 01:37 < archels> oh daeken, yes 01:38 < archels> Do you find the headset useful for anything serious? As an extra interface, for neurofeedback training, anything? 01:38 <@kanzure> i don't have one 01:39 <@kanzure> i was borrowing a friend's for a while, and i think it's awful. 01:39 < archels> hah 01:39 <@kanzure> i also think their business model is lame. 01:39 < archels> the emotiv in particular, or the present generation of EEG headsets in general? 01:39 <@kanzure> yes to both. 01:40 <@kanzure> i do not have a high opinion of eeg. 01:40 * archels nod 01:40 <@kanzure> and emotiv's business model is just silly.. walled garden, sell the device at a loss, make up for it by selling software. fuck that. 01:56 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:05 <@kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BZHI_r4aBM 02:05 <@kanzure> .title 02:05 < yoleaux> Make Love - Daft Punk - YouTube 02:15 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-76-21-28-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:33 < nmz787> why isn't nickserv identify working for me? 02:33 <@kanzure> maybe you are already identified 02:33 <@kanzure> also, it's possible that you're using the wrong network when you're messaging nickserv 02:33 <@kanzure> use C-x to switch which network you're messaging on 02:33 < nmz787> ah 02:35 < nmz787> still no feedback 02:35 < nmz787> if i just say / msg nickserv 02:35 < nmz787> it says not enough params 02:35 <@kanzure> /query nickserv help 02:35 < nmz787> but gives no feedback otherwise 02:36 < nmz787> and a channel wont let me send unless i identify 02:36 <@kanzure> are you talking about on oftc? 02:36 < nmz787> no 02:36 < nmz787> freenode 02:36 <@kanzure> because i bet your current oftc nick (nmz787_) is unregistered 02:37 < nmz787> that's not the issue 02:37 <@kanzure> 02:37 acc nmz787 02:37 <@kanzure> 02:37 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- nmz787 ACC 3 02:37 <@kanzure> level 3 means you are identified. 02:50 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:06 < nmz787> kanzure: can i ls|ffmpeg and expect it willdo the whole list sequentially? 03:06 < nmz787> or do i have to use xargs 03:07 <@kanzure> i don't think ffmpeg takes a list of files from stdin 03:07 <@kanzure> so you'll have to use xargs or write a bash script 03:08 <@kanzure> btw ffmpeg is deprecated and they want you to use the avconv frontend these days 03:09 < nmz787> ffmpeg isn't deprecated 03:09 < nmz787> only in ubuntu and debian is it 03:09 < nmz787> because the libav forkers are the pkg maintainers 03:09 < nmz787> ffmpeg is more stable 03:09 < nmz787> and has actually pulled a lot of the better libav updates 03:09 <@kanzure> meh whatever. ffmpeg is known for in-fighting. 03:10 < nmz787> but libav apparently doesn't care about breaking the API on people 03:10 * kanzure sleeps 03:24 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:28 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:03 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 04:03 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:19 -!- Gwyxx [~Gwyxx@isd01.hq.networklayer.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:29 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:16 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:21 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:52 < Sanky> kanzure: http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html 06:09 -!- docl [~docl@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:09 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 -!- juri_ [~juri@funkykitty.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:30 -!- juri_ [juri@funkykitty.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:30 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:52 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 08:12 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 08:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- neweather [3efe4f7f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.254.79.127] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:09 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 -!- neweather is now known as new_weather 09:16 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16 -!- new_weather [3efe4f7f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.254.79.127] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:18 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 < docl> I wonder how realistic it is to modify the endothelium of the brain to be more cryo-friendly? Say more tensile strength so it handles higher pressures better. 09:21 < docl> heck it could be developed as an anti-stroke measure 09:22 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22 < docl> modify the genes in stem cells, induce specialization to endothelial cells, then perfuse 09:23 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 09:54 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:34 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:34 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45 -!- sheena2 [~home@174.4.134.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:53 -!- pwang__ [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:59 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:59 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:04 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:12 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@99-25-200-252.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@99-25-200-252.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:20 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:25 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:28 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:38 -!- archbox [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:38 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:55 -!- Bernardine [3efe4f7f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.254.79.127] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- docl [~docl@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:02 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 -!- Bernardine [3efe4f7f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.254.79.127] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:04 -!- markrud [3efe4f7f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.254.79.127] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:04 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04 -!- barriers_ [~barriers@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- markrud [3efe4f7f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.254.79.127] has quit [Client Quit] 12:09 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:15 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 -!- sheena2 [~home@174.4.134.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:17 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:23 -!- barriers_ is now known as barriers 12:36 -!- radivis [~quassel@p5B2E6C2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- docl [~docl@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41 -!- radivis [~quassel@p5B2E6C2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44 < sheena1> archels, thanks for that link! looks useful! 12:45 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:47 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:53 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-7-63-123.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-7-63-123.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- barriers [~barriers@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 < abetusk> discussion of open hardware "layers of openness label" going on now. You guys have any feeling on the matter? 13:56 < archels> sheena1: no prob, got a link to your kickstarter page? 13:56 < archels> or is this more of a "what if" scenario 13:57 < sheena1> archels: haven't gotten that far yet. need to know how to get something manufactured and that its doable before we kickstarter it, i think? Idon't want people funding something when i have no idea how to make it! 13:57 < archels> yes, get some quotes so you can put up realistic targets 13:58 < sheena1> the pretty-terrible website for the product in question is here: http://www.nohudo.com/ but the english is pretty bad. I'm working with the creator to get it more accessible to english-speakers. He's sent me a prototype of the product, but I'm not at all familiar with what to do next.. those articles seem like a good start, though 14:02 < archels> *zap* 14:02 < archels> mhm, he disabled embedding of his own YouTube video on his website? 14:03 < archels> oh it's not a zapper! 14:03 < archels> hahaha awesome 14:03 <@fenn> am i the only one who expected it to be full of C4? 14:03 < archels> no, but that would've also worked. 14:04 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:04 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:05 <@fenn> there ought to be at least one picture of the device in action 14:07 < archels> video is the new image 14:08 <@fenn> except when you disable video embedding on your video 14:08 < sheena1> lol 14:08 < sheena1> there are some pictures 14:08 < sheena1> they're just 14:09 < sheena1> hard to find 14:09 < sheena1> lol 14:09 < sheena1> anyway, i have one, he gave it to me 14:09 < sheena1> i'm a dog trainer, so very interested 14:09 < sheena1> just 14:09 < sheena1> how to make MORE? 14:09 < sheena1> and.. cheap? 14:09 <@fenn> if only we could train dogs to build devices 14:11 < sheena1> hehe 14:11 < sheena1> their dexterity is often insufficient 14:15 -!- archbox [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:23 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:54 <@kanzure> "There are some objections to the idea of biohacking. A lurid imagination can conjure up images of do-it-yourself cloning projects and many other objects of science fiction horror films." 14:55 <@kanzure> oh no, not cloning! someone might make a tissue culture that is usable! 14:55 <@kanzure> god damn it 14:57 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a988e8a6 Bryan Bishop: article about biocurious 14:57 -!- Grognor [~broken_co@wifi-131-179-36-160.host.ucla.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15 <@fenn> the soylent.me project is pretty interesting. i hope it takes off in a big way 15:17 <@fenn> i'd like to see a more detailed analysis of individual amino acids and fats though 15:17 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:31 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:32 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- Juul_ [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 < jrayhawk> And the individual micronutrients. 15:59 < Grognor> I "read on the internet" that there are too many humans for everyone to have a paleo diet 16:02 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 -!- gillies [quassel@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:8103] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07 -!- tyler_ [quassel@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:8103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:13 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:13 -!- tyler_ [quassel@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:8103] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:14 -!- tyler_ [quassel@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:8103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 <@fenn> Grognor: it's been that way since 10000 BC 16:20 < brownies> people have been reading things on the internet since 10000 BC? 16:21 < brownies> must've been tough to get broadband back then 16:21 <@kanzure> comcast is literally a dinosaur 16:21 <@kanzure> that time travelled into the future to 10000 BC... i guess. 16:24 <@fenn> see my earlier comment about time traveling AI ebook lords 16:25 < Grognor> does paperbot work with shortened urls 16:25 < Grognor> this url is too long to fit in an irc line 16:25 <@kanzure> no it wont work necessarily 16:26 < Grognor> might as well try 16:26 < Grognor> paperbot: http://goo.gl/MNLbj 16:26 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a634958d080b65fee66276a49f0da37a.txt 16:27 <@kanzure> jmil: who is matthew and jeff? 16:27 < jmil> kanzure: whut? 16:27 <@kanzure> Grognor: that includes a utortonto proxy in that.. 16:27 <@kanzure> jmil: something about houston 16:28 < jmil> where did i post that? 16:28 <@kanzure> jmil: nowhere. 16:28 < jmil> hahaha 16:28 < Grognor> it's the url from a wikipedia citation 16:28 <@kanzure> Grognor: can you show me the actual url 16:28 < jmil> so confused kanzure 16:28 < jmil> pls splain 16:28 <@kanzure> jmil: do you know someone named matt or jeff? 16:29 < jmil> yes. both. 16:29 < Grognor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis#cite_note-5 16:29 <@kanzure> so what's up? are they doing brightcove? 16:29 <@kanzure> Grognor: ok i'll look 16:29 < jmil> i don't know brightcove 16:29 <@kanzure> oh. maybe it's a different thing? 16:29 < jmil> i'm just confused what you are talkinga bout 16:29 < jmil> they contacted you or someone mentioned us? 16:30 <@kanzure> haha i just want to know what's up 16:30 < jmil> they are thought leaders in houston 16:30 < jmil> where did you see them referenced to me? just curouis 16:30 < jmil> we have big plans for houston 16:30 <@kanzure> Grognor: http://bf4dv7zn3u.search.serialssolutions.com/?ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&ctx_enc=info%3Aofi%2Fenc%3AUTF-8&rfr_id=info:sid/summon.serialssolutions.com&rft_val_fmt=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:journal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Hypnosis&rft.jtitle=The+Clinical+Advisor+%3A+For+Nurse+Practitioners&rft.au=Sherril+Sego&rft.date=2012-03-01&rft.pub=Haymarket+Media%2C+Inc&rft.issn=1524-7317&rft.volume=15&rft.issue=3&rft.spage=80&rft.externalDocID=2680608481 16:30 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://bf4dv7zn3u.search.serialssolutions.com/?ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&ctx_enc=info%3Aofi%2Fenc%3AUTF-8&rfr_id=info:sid/summon.serialssolutions.com&rft_val_fmt=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:journal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Hypnosis&rft.jtitle=The+Clinical+Advisor+%3A+For+Nurse+Practitioners&rft.au=Sherril+Sego&rft.date=2012-03-01&rft.pub=Haymarket+Media%2C+Inc&rft.issn=1524-7317&rft.volume=15&rft.issue=3&rft.spage=80&rft.externalDocID=2680608481 16:30 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c99afd5c8f20e34f56a0df4dd0e73119.txt 16:32 < jmil> kanzure: ?? 16:32 <@kanzure> jmil: what are the plans? 16:32 <@kanzure> jmil: i read a lot of email 16:32 < jmil> we are doing lots of things, but i don't know which email you are referencing 16:33 <@kanzure> man, this conversation is going nowhere faster than light. 16:33 < jmil> lol 16:33 < jmil> i'm not involved, just trying to help the right people get together 16:33 <@kanzure> Grognor: google scholar doesn't seem to be able to find "Hypnosis for Pain Management, anxiety and behavioral disorders." 16:33 < jmil> there is a diybio thing going, there is a reprap for education thing going, there is a design thing going 16:34 < jmil> all in houston 16:34 <@kanzure> is the diybio thing just tx/rx? or something else going on? 16:34 <@fenn> Grognor: try magnesium citrate instead 16:34 < Grognor> instead of what 16:34 < jmil> i am not involved, i heard one sentence about it so i am trying to help. i think jacob shiach is involved 16:34 <@fenn> hypnosis :P 16:35 < Grognor> I don't know anything about drugs, nutrition, metabolism, hormesis, homeostasis, cell biology, or neurochemistry 16:35 < Grognor> (unlike, apparently, everyone else in this channel) 16:36 <@fenn> nevermind, as you were 16:36 <@fenn> (i like that you included hormesis in your list) 16:38 < Grognor> I must go 16:38 -!- Grognor [~broken_co@wifi-131-179-36-160.host.ucla.edu] has quit [Quit: Hurting me is a mistake.] 16:40 < klafka> hmm hormesis 16:41 < klafka> gotta say first time i heard of that word 16:41 < jrayhawk> It's a damned good word. 16:43 < jrayhawk> homeostasis, hormesis, and hysteresis 16:46 < brownies> reprap for education? what's that about? 16:46 <@kanzure> http://www.indiegogo.com/socialvideoglasses 16:52 <@fenn> i am having a hard time determining if that is a spoof or not 16:54 <@kanzure> apparently not.. but jojack hasn't received his yet. 16:54 <@fenn> yeah the more i look at it the more serious it seems 16:55 <@fenn> but at a first glance it's a lot like "kat herding" 16:56 <@kanzure> why is it about social anything. fuck that.. 16:58 <@kanzure> http://crowdcure.com/ bleh 17:00 <@fenn> stop it kanzure, you're making me want to find a cave and hide until everyone dies 17:01 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 <@kanzure> sorry, talking with jojack 17:02 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:08 < nsh> OH IS IT CAVE TIME? 17:09 <@kanzure> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/274e 17:09 <@kanzure> "It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human organ for valuable consideration for use in human transplantation if the transfer affects interstate commerce." 17:10 <@kanzure> oh hm.. 17:10 <@kanzure> "The term “valuable consideration” does not include the reasonable payments associated with the removal, transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, and storage of a human organ or the expenses of travel, housing, and lost wages incurred by the donor of a human organ in connection with the donation of the organ." 17:10 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [Quit: dpk made me do it!] 17:11 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:11 < brownies> kanzure: uh 17:11 <@fenn> so we know what it doesn't mean, but what does it mean? 17:11 < brownies> kanzure: are you setting up intrastate liver harvesting operations? 17:11 <@kanzure> it means you can't directly auction off your liver. 17:12 <@kanzure> brownies: maybe. 17:12 < brownies> it looks like it means you can't auction off your liver to someone in another state. 17:12 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 <@fenn> can i auction my liver to someone living in the same state? 17:12 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [Client Quit] 17:12 < brownies> i guess individual states probably have laws about such things. 17:12 <@kanzure> "The National Organ Transplant Act (1984 Pub.L. 98–507), approved October 19, 1984 and amended in 1988 and 1990, outlawed the sale of human organs and provided for the establishment of the Task Force on Organ Transplantation; authorized the Department of Health and Human Services to make grants for the planning, establishment, and initial operation of qualified Organ Procurement Organizations (OPOs); and established the formation of the ... 17:12 <@kanzure> ... Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network and Scientific Registry of Transplant Recipients. It was sponsored by Rep. Al Gore and Sen. Orrin Hatch.[1]" 17:12 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organ_Transplant_Act_of_1984 17:13 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:13 <@kanzure> i wonder if i can become a qualified Organ Procurement Organization. hrm. 17:13 < yashgaroth> get a scalpel and a rag of chloroform and you're pretty much in 17:14 <@kanzure> "The Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) was also established. This network is a unified transplant network that is run by the private, non-profit organization, United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS), in Richmond Virginia. The UNOS works under the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Robert Walsh is the current Project Officer for OPTN" 17:14 <@kanzure> hmm http://www.unos.org/ 17:16 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16 -!- Juul_ [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20 <@kanzure> not exactly the store they should be running http://store.unos.org/ 17:24 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:24 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 < cpopell> Meeting with my first big potential client tomorrow :D 17:24 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 < nsh> cpopell, i hope it goes excellently 17:28 <@fenn> in the book, soylent green was not made of people, it was made of soy and lentils :D 17:35 < cpopell> thanks, nsh. It's not a startup (for once) 17:36 < nsh> cpopell, what is it, if you care to say? 17:37 < cpopell> it's a potential state of science report, I think. I can't say much more. 17:37 * nsh nods 17:37 < cpopell> also finally submitted a journal article 17:37 < nsh> be sure to take the usual precautions to determine that you aren't dealing with a lizard person 17:38 < nsh> nice :) 17:38 < cpopell> well, conference article, whatever. 17:38 < cpopell> to ICOMM2013 17:39 < nsh> is the title "YOU ARE IN A MAZE OF TWISTY LITTLE PASSAGES, ALL ALIKE?" 17:39 < nsh> because if it isn't 17:39 < nsh> it probably should be 17:39 < cpopell> nah 17:39 < nsh> *"? 17:39 < cpopell> I wish, that'd be more fun 17:57 < nsh> :) 18:20 -!- SphericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:20 <@kanzure> SphericalMouse: jmil is around, if you want to bug him about tissue printing things. 18:21 < SphericalMouse> ? 18:21 < SphericalMouse> who? 18:21 <@kanzure> http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v11/n9/full/nmat3357.html 18:21 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Rapid%20casting%20of%20patterned%20vascular%20networks%20for%20perfusable%20engineered%20three-dimensional%20tissues.pdf 18:21 <@kanzure> haha paperbot 18:22 < SphericalMouse> mm, sangheeta 18:22 <@kanzure> well no.. i was referring to the first author.. but i guess that's close enough. 18:23 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-105-239.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:23 < SphericalMouse> I'm not really working on tissue printing 18:24 <@kanzure> ah, i thought you were asking to bug someone about that at some point. my mistake. 18:24 < SphericalMouse> not me 18:24 < SphericalMouse> hard problem 18:43 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-105-239.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:55 < ThomasEgi> how bout this plan: first, invent some virus/disease that makes stupidity hurt like hell. then get into selling painkillers 19:09 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-129-224.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:16 < eudoxia> a paper on microfluidics could have that title 19:17 < eudoxia> given that it's a conference on microminufacturing etc. 19:21 -!- SphericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24 < eudoxia> good luck cpopell 19:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-129-224.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:25 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27 -!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yidxedhsevvurozl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:30 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@64-13-13-62.eug.clearwire-dns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 < delinquentme> kanzure, happen to have a chart of stem cell differentiation lineage? 19:32 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:48 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@64-13-13-62.eug.clearwire-dns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:57 -!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwcfcmyuyqjhgaei] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 <@kanzure> delinno. 19:57 <@kanzure> delinquentme: no. 20:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:24 <@kanzure> http://sens.org/education/education-blog/2013-summer-internship-application-now-online 20:24 <@kanzure> "video of some of the 2012 interns" http://sens.org/education 20:25 <@kanzure> http://sens.org/education/student-program-applications/summer-internship-application 20:25 <@kanzure> haha what.. "Like the other WFIRM interns, you will receive a $3000 stipend for the ten-week internship, but will need to handle your own housing." 20:26 <@kanzure> oh this is a bit better "If you are placed at the Buck Institute or the SRF Research Center, you will receive wages of around $2000/month for up to three months, prorated, with flexible start and end dates." 20:37 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 20:55 <@kanzure> "According to the New England Journal of Medicine, a human kidney can be purchased in Manila for $1000–$2000, but in urban Latin America a kidney may cost more than $10,000. Kidneys in South Africa have sold for as high as $20,000. Price disparities based on donor race are a driving force of attractive organ sales in South Africa, as well as in other parts of the world." 20:55 <@kanzure> "In China, a kidney transplant operation runs for around $70,000, liver for $160,000, and heart for $120,000 [15][dead link]. Although these prices are still unattainable to the poor, compared to the fees of the United States, where a kidney transplant may demand $100,000, a liver $250,000, and a heart $860,000, Chinese prices have made China a major provider of organs and transplantation surgeries to other countries." 20:55 <@kanzure> "In India, a kidney transplant operation runs for around as low as $5000." 20:55 <@kanzure> so a kidney transplant operation costs $70,000 in china, but how much is the kidney? 20:56 <@kanzure> hah "China has made selling of organs illegal as of July 2006 and claims that all prisoner organ donors have filed consent." 20:59 <@kanzure> "In Chennai, India where one of the largest black markets for organs is known to exist, studies have placed the average sale price at little over $1,000.[25]" 20:59 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/288/13/1589 20:59 < paperbot> error: HTTP 300 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Economic%20and%20Health%20Consequences%20of%20Selling%20a%20Kidney%20in%20India.pdf 21:08 <@kanzure> so a kidney transplant operation costs $70,000 in china, but how much is the kidney? 21:09 <@kanzure> oops 21:15 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@50-193-54-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:18 < sheena1> anyone want to do a knee surgery on my dog super cheap? 21:18 < sheena1> maybe i should take him to china? 21:35 < Viper168> I wouldn't mind having dual organs 21:35 < Viper168> wonder if you could do that 21:35 < Viper168> have a backup in case one fails 21:36 < Viper168> just hook them up in parallel 21:36 < Viper168> lol 21:37 < Viper168> would that be considered organ gluttony 21:38 <@kanzure> sigh. who cares if it is gluttony or not? get out. 21:40 < Viper168> ? what's your problem 21:40 <@kanzure> 21:37 < Viper168> would that be considered organ gluttony 21:40 <@kanzure> also i hate it when you say lol 21:41 < Viper168> is that really worth being rude about? 21:41 <@kanzure> yes 21:41 < Viper168> I was just being goofy 21:41 < Viper168> lighten up a little 21:41 <@kanzure> because you think it's impractical? 21:41 < Viper168> I don't know 21:41 < Viper168> it was a random thought 21:42 < sheena1> i just ignore him when he gets like that, Viper168 :) 21:42 < Viper168> not everything has ot be so serious 21:42 <@kanzure> if he wants to make an actual statement about organs being a bad thing, he should say it. 21:42 < Viper168> *to 21:42 <@kanzure> instead of dancing around it with lol and shit. 21:42 < Viper168> I never implied anything of the sort 21:43 < Viper168> I'm at a neutral stance 21:43 < Viper168> except that organ availability is a good thing 21:43 < sheena1> kanzure: I really think you're the one who misinterpretted that 21:43 < Viper168> obviously 21:44 < Viper168> I was just making a dorky statement because it amused me 21:44 < Viper168> no negative implications intended 21:45 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@50-193-54-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:45 < Viper168> no worries man, let's chill 21:45 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:51 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:37 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37 -!- padz [~not@69.158.79.132] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:51 < abetusk> nice...I think I have height probing in GRBL proper now 23:57 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon Feb 25 00:00:10 2013