--- Log opened Wed Apr 17 00:00:00 2013 00:12 -!- Guest11488 is now known as Coornail 00:12 -!- Coornail is now known as Guest19870 00:45 -!- ua [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:45 -!- ua [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- Swordsman [~kohii@50.46.238.42] has quit [] 00:57 <@archels> kanzure: the INCF (www.incf.org) is also considering creating an online course on neuroinformatics 00:58 <@archels> they have a YouTube channel with quite a few videos, but it's not very well indexed 01:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:23 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:25 -!- Guest19870 is now known as Coornail 01:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-67-188-115-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-67-188-115-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- Juul [~Juul@mobile-166-137-184-071.mycingular.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:04 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:06 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:07 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:08 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-32.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:11 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:19 <@kanzure> wtf there's an NIH Office of Technology Transfer :( 02:19 <@kanzure> http://www.ott.nih.gov/ 02:41 <@kanzure> ok i wrote some ncbi hatemail https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/diybio/8SAjHBKq97M 02:50 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:56 < chido> kanzure: thanks! 02:56 <@kanzure> hm? 02:57 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:58 < chido> kanzure: for forwarding my pipette request 03:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:38 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:41 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 -!- radivis [~quassel@pD9F8B140.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:59 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 <@archels> "From our perspective it would be very interesting for us partner with you and couple the nematode mechanical simulation to your FPGA-based neral network (not necessarily in real time, ..." 04:06 <@archels> huh. Wasn't a coupled neural/biomechanical simulation the whole point? 04:18 -!- duckstep [~ehnde@unaffiliated/ehnde] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 -!- clock [~clock@80-218-32-111.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:38 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:39 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40 -!- Juul [~Juul@mobile-166-137-184-071.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:41 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:48 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:16 < eleitl> the openworm/si elegans thread? 05:16 < eleitl> Glad you're following it, too. 05:16 <@archels> aye. I wonder how this makes the OpenWorm guys feel. 05:16 -!- Juul [~Juul@mobile-166-137-184-071.mycingular.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:16 <@archels> Any idea when Si-worm was first announced? 05:16 < eleitl> I only recall reading about them today. 05:17 < eleitl> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/fet-proactive/docs/ie-jan12-ag-02_en.pdf 05:17 <@archels> the EU research project description has the 1st of this month as starting date 05:17 < eleitl> At least one year old. 05:18 < eleitl> The Si elegans project started on April 1st 2013 05:18 < eleitl> Looks like it's reasonably funded. 05:18 < eleitl> Yay. 05:27 -!- Juul [~Juul@mobile-166-137-184-071.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:31 < eleitl> If they succeed this is going to be a dam-breaker. 05:35 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:37 <@archels> I'm not overly impressed by their 'work packages' 05:37 <@archels> I'm afraid they're going to put the FPGAs before the biophysics 05:37 <@archels> "[the platform] will consist of 302 individual FPGA boards representing the individual neurons ..." 05:38 <@archels> this seems rather ill motivated and causes an enormous amount of overhead 05:38 < eleitl> Yeah. They're going to burn a lot of money. 05:38 < eleitl> No need for a FPGA here. 05:39 < eleitl> Their logic is also faulty, when they assume conventional computers can't do computational neurosci. 05:44 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:12 -!- panax [panax@131.247.116.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20 -!- panax [~panax@68.200.160.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 06:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:12 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:27 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:41 -!- botton [~willie@router.isis.poly.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- botton [~willie@router.isis.poly.edu] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 08:21 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:37 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-67-188-115-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-13-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 < eudoxia> "si elegans" haha that's so clever 08:53 < eudoxia> anissimov: 'I tried to provide leadership for Humanity+ to move in that direction, but that woman stopped me.' 08:53 < eudoxia> i take it 'that woman' was natasha 08:54 < eudoxia> he's been so buttpained after turning into a fascist 08:54 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:54 < eudoxia> s/after/ever since 09:00 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:29 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:32 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:38 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r186-52-39-137.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r186-52-39-137.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 09:42 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-13-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:45 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:46 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:49 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:52 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:55 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:01 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@184-76-124-69.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 -!- BioGuy [~BioGuy@184-76-124-69.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:21 <@kanzure> http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/04/08/a-matter-of-perspective-elsevier-acquires-mendeley-or-mendeley-sells-itself-to-elsevier/ 11:21 <@kanzure> "When asked about this, the answer was underwhelming. First, a bit of perspective — Olivier Dumon, the person quoted in the Elsevier press release and who was also on the call, admits he’s new to scientific and scholarly publishing, having been at Elsevier for only 15 months (he was previously at eBay and AT&T Interactive)." 11:21 <@kanzure> "The reaction was unsatisfactory for a few reasons — first, there was talk about trying to better establish what user’s “entitlements” were, but this avoids the question about whether users have the right to openly share copyrighted or licensed content via Mendeley even if they or their institution subscribe (or if there is a CC-BY-NC license associated with the work); second, there was acknowledgement that validating users has not ... 11:21 <@kanzure> ... been a priority for Mendeley, and that it’s something they will have to shore up, as inference has failed due to a predominance of Gmail accounts in their database; and finally, Dumon seemed to believe that Mendeley can ameliorate any concerns because it will “drive traffic to publisher’s Web sites.”" 11:22 < brownies> "scientific publishing probably works exactly like auctioning off beanie babies, right?" 11:22 <@kanzure> "Perhaps this is a sign of Dumon’s novice status in the space, or simply that Elsevier has a lot of thinking to do yet around issues like this, but I see a potential problem — one that ties into the legal risks around this deal and the longevity of Mendeley’s central premise of PDF sharing now that it’s owned by Elsevier." 11:22 <@kanzure> "One thing that may reassure publishers would be for Elsevier and Mendeley to release some actual usage statistics. How many papers have been uploaded? How much are they shared? Is there really discussion going on around them or is the service just being used as a Napster for scholarly papers?" 11:23 <@kanzure> yeah.. so i am still expecting elsevier to start revoking pdfs. 11:24 < brownies> i didn't realize Mendeley had such "PDF sharing" ? 11:25 < brownies> so you can just throw a PDF of a paper on, and it's available to... everyone? 11:26 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 < clock> but that would be a catastrophe 11:28 < clock> a science that is... PUBLIC ?!? 11:28 <@kanzure> brownies: i haven't explored it completely but i think that's the case (sorta kinda maybe). 11:29 <@kanzure> in conclusion i know nothing 11:29 * brownies nods solemnly 11:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33 * clock suddenly turns moldy 11:35 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:37 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40 -!- mvb [mvb@37.250.172.159.bredband.tre.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 <@kanzure> mvb: hi 11:58 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:59 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-32.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 < mvb> hi 12:13 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:23 <@kanzure> sparkfun is pumping out 3d models of their parts now 12:23 <@kanzure> https://github.com/sparkfun/3D_Models 12:23 <@kanzure> https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1115 12:24 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 <@kanzure> https://github.com/bfoz/engineering 12:25 <@kanzure> https://github.com/ch-aurich/Eagle2FreeCad 12:32 <@archels> Toshiba is bringing out an ultrabook with high-dpi display 12:33 <@kanzure> unlikely. 12:33 <@archels> it has a touchscreen, too 12:33 <@kanzure> disgusting. 12:33 <@archels> http://gizmodo.com/5994908/toshiba-kirabook-is-an-amazing-screen-enough-to-make-a-computer-great 12:34 <@archels> it isn't going to be cheap, though 12:41 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:46 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:51 <@kanzure> ncbi's version of blast doesn't have a public bug tracker http://blastedbio.blogspot.com/2011/08/opening-up-ncbi-blast.html 12:51 <@kanzure> wheeee. 12:52 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:52 < ParahSailin> lol yeah blast is all kinds of messed up 12:53 < ParahSailin> they've got a blast+ that nobody actually uses 12:54 <@kanzure> i know you think it's a non-issue but there are some ok-ish replies to my ncbi email: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=# 12:57 <@kanzure> wow google groups is showing "This message could not be loaded." for one of the emails. what the hell. 12:58 <@kanzure> ok now it works. wtf. 13:01 <@kanzure> "Retrieve sequences only from patents" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Class/NAWBIS/Modules/InfoHubs/Exercises/infohubs_qa_patents_only.html 13:06 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:22 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22 -!- FooQuuxm1n [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- FooQuuxm1n is now known as FooQuuxman 13:23 < chris_99> where did transhumanism originate out of interest 13:29 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:32 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34 <@kanzure> photo from tmplab/diybio http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmborch/8651477488/in/photostream/lightbox/ 13:35 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39 <@kanzure> not sure which launch is streaming http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv 13:39 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 <@kanzure> cygnus? 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17:25 <@kanzure> don't ask to ask, etc. 17:26 < ParahSail1n> paperbot, http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=802148&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE 17:26 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Functional%20geometry.pdf 17:26 < juri_> http://nullogic.freeshell.org/src/boards/zaxis-controller.png 17:27 < juri_> That stepper motor control circuit is supposed to output "00" "01" "11" "10" for the four steps, and accept direction/step/enable pins for control. its basically just a counter, controlling a pair of H-Bridges, which in turn control power to a bidirectional stepper. 17:27 -!- Swordsman [~kohii@50.46.238.42] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 < juri_> I'd like it if someone could verify that it counts correctly. 17:31 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 < klafka> this is a super fucking cool paper - http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/skakade/papers/ml/logged_nips2010.pdf 18:03 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:08 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:09 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:21 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:29 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:40 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-174-143.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-174-143.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28 <@kanzure> fenn: i find it troubling to learn that mr. bitcoin thinks highly of marc fawz (our 2008 troll that you might remember) 19:29 <@kanzure> *fawzi 19:33 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:38 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:48 -!- zubaz [~hexane@unaffiliated/zubaz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 < jrayhawk> "The Kerbals would've launched anyway. It would've been *glorious*." 19:58 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- n_bentha [4b6ed475@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.110.212.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:15 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-174-143.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:18 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-174-143.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58 -!- ua [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:00 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jdwafgrtddbwrlci] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 -!- Thomas42_ [~Thomas42@5.9.236.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:04 -!- ua [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:07 -!- Thomas42 [~Thomas42@static.105.236.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:23 -!- Gwyxx [~Gwyxx@necronomibox.megacosm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:30 -!- zubaz [~hexane@24.229.127.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:39 -!- n_bentha [4b6ed475@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.110.212.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:41 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 21:43 <@fenn> of the CLARITY microscopy technique: "There is every indication that it preserves synaptic junctions, so I expect it to slay the EM-based approaches to circuit reconstruction, which were always a bit silly from an economics/throughput perspective." 21:45 <@fenn> EM meaning electron microscope 21:53 <@kanzure> i thought the membranes were the important part about junctions 21:53 -!- clock [~clock@80-218-32-111.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54 <@kanzure> maybe the membrane-bound proteins are left around in the hydrogel. 21:58 <@fenn> i guess you can connect the dots to figure out where the membranes were 22:07 -!- Zarakii [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07 <@kanzure> also, what? people were using optical non-electron scanning of synapses for a while now. 22:07 <@kanzure> i still have trouble believing that mr. bitcoin is a marc fawzi fan. 22:07 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:09 < brownies> who is mr. bitcoin? 22:09 <@fenn> why, they're both currencies based on arbitrary non-forgeable resources (energy vs CPU power) 22:10 <@fenn> though fawzi never provided a mechanism to verify that the claimed energy input was correct 22:11 <@kanzure> brownies: satoshi nakamoto 22:11 <@kanzure> fenn: there's a few other things that are bugging me though 22:12 <@kanzure> fenn: for instance, his original announcement was on perry metzger's server. 22:12 < brownies> i figured. i probably should've asked who marc fawzi is. 22:12 <@kanzure> anyone who knows perry metzger would probably the type of person to hate marc fawzi. 22:12 <@kanzure> brownies: just some troll that we had to deal with on the open manufacturing list a few years ago (2008ish) 22:12 <@fenn> fawzi just has no manners, the idea is it's own thing i guess 22:14 <@fenn> i've been reading nick szabo's essays about primitive money system 22:14 <@fenn> like wampum and family heirlooms 22:15 <@fenn> he does a convincing job explaining why it makes sense to waste effort on creating money 22:16 <@fenn> the point is that the currency is made of (truly) scarce resources, such as the time it takes to drill a hole in a piece of clam shell 22:16 <@fenn> in fawzi's scheme, energy is a scarce resource that can take the place of gold or wampum 22:17 <@fenn> (i guess, he never really presented it in a consistent way) 22:24 <@kanzure> i don't remember his scheme heh 22:25 <@kanzure> energy flows.. something.. 22:27 < ParahSail1n> in alpha centauri, energy is the currency 22:28 <@fenn> man what's with people being against nuclear fission? i just dont get it 22:29 * fenn slogs through 50 pages of "p2p energy economy" and gives up 22:30 <@kanzure> it's a little surprising to think that anything that came out of that became bitcoin 22:30 <@kanzure> or that satoshi bothered to interact with that community 22:30 <@fenn> where'd you get the idea there was a link? 22:31 <@kanzure> my email archives show satoshi emailing some announcements in february 2009 to p2presearch 22:31 <@kanzure> (one of michel bauwen's honeypots) 22:31 <@fenn> i read most of the "bitgold e-cash paper" thread but i never saw anything about "p2p" stuff 22:32 <@kanzure> and before that there are some from late 2008 to perry metzger's thing. 22:33 <@kanzure> http://p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-February/001371.html 22:34 <@kanzure> my copies of these raw emails indicate it was sent through a handful of different tor exit nodes. 22:34 <@kanzure> the user-agent is really weird/old, but then again so is using MSVC6 in 2008/2009.. 22:34 <@fenn> this is the start of the thread http://p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-February/001347.html 22:35 <@fenn> gah 22:35 <@fenn> thread view, since the links are broken http://p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-February/thread.html 22:37 <@kanzure> maybe i am under-estimating just how well-known perry is 22:37 <@kanzure> i know he has some amount of background in the cypherpunk community 22:37 <@fenn> that mailing list had a lot of big names on it 22:39 <@kanzure> it's weird to have to remind myself that merkle is more famous for public-key cryptography 22:39 <@fenn> huh? 22:39 <@kanzure> isn't he? i thought he was on the cypherpunks list. maybe that was only in spirit. 22:40 <@kanzure> eleitl: maybe you know. 22:40 <@fenn> "His advisor was Martin Hellman." 22:40 <@fenn> i thought he was an organic chemist. weird 22:42 <@fenn> well if he invented public key cryptography that's a pretty good reason to be (internet) famous 22:42 <@fenn> wikipedia doesn't say much about what he did in nanotech 22:43 <@kanzure> years ago i would often get merkle and drexler confused 22:46 <@fenn> Stephen Walch (ELORET/NASA Ames) and Ralph Merkle (Xerox PARC) won the 1998 Feynman prize (theory) for ab initio calculations that determined the interaction potentials between two such tools, the carbene tool (which adds a single C atom) and the dimer tool (which adds a pair of carbon atoms), and the 111 and 100 surfaces of diamond. Using density functional theory methods they were able to 22:46 <@fenn> determine which reaction sequences work and which don't. 22:47 <@fenn> i wonder if i should just paste that on the wikipedia page 22:47 < Swordsman> wasn't there some cryptographic thing named after merkle? 22:48 < Swordsman> I remember noticing that name a lot, when I was going over cryptography 22:48 < Swordsman> like, merkle keys, or something 22:49 < Swordsman> oh. diffie-hellman 22:50 < Swordsman> I feel as though there were something more specific to him though, can't remember what it was 22:50 <@fenn> "Merkle–Damgård construction – A method to build cryptographic hash" 22:51 <@fenn> "Merkle–Hellman knapsack cryptosystem" 22:51 <@fenn> "Merkle's Puzzles 22:51 <@fenn> which basically refers to his implementation of public key crypto 22:51 < Swordsman> it kinda bugs me that the wikipedia articles on things like this are merely stubs, while pop culture oriented things go on for dozens of pages 22:52 <@fenn> "a hash tree or Merkle tree" 22:52 < Swordsman> merkle tree, that's probably what I was thinking of 22:52 <@fenn> the set of people who are qualified to minutely catalog the plot of the latest harry potter movie is larger than people who understand cryptographic algorithms (and their history) 22:53 <@kanzure> i think julian might qualify on both of those fronts 22:53 <@kanzure> i still don't know why he doesn't want to show up in here 22:54 < Swordsman> well, there's also the amount of content a person is willing to contribute 22:54 <@kanzure> the original bitcoin source code (bitcoin-0.1.0.rar) is littered with comments like // Get merkle branch if transaction was found in a block 22:54 < Swordsman> ah, yeah 22:55 < Swordsman> I used to write code for bitcoin stuff, that's why it's so familiar 22:55 <@kanzure> fenn: also while i'm bringing up "people you already know but in weird ways", it turns out that surfraw was written by assange 22:56 <@fenn> yeah i saw that comment, then i went and verified it :P 22:56 < Swordsman> I think I heard about merkle before bitcoin a bit, but I ended up dealing with merkle trees a lot when I was writing bitcoin miners and clients and that sort of thing 22:56 <@kanzure> fenn: was verification successful? 22:56 <@fenn> i always liked the debian package description for surfraw 22:57 <@kanzure> i think the rhetoric about surfraw was the best part 22:57 <@kanzure> the actual tool, not so great. 22:57 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57 <@fenn> yeah but he hadn't worked on it since forever 22:57 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:57 <@fenn> i always assumed surfraw worked better when it was written and everything had just broken due to bitrot 22:58 <@kanzure> can't confirm or deny. i first tried it in 2007 or 2008 i think. 23:00 <@kanzure> Surfraw - Shell Users' Revolutionary Front Rage Against the World Wide Web 23:00 <@kanzure> "Surfraw provides a fast unix command line interface to a variety of popular WWW search engines and other artifacts of power. It reclaims google, altavista, dejanews, freshmeat, research index, slashdot and many others from the false-prophet, pox-infested heathen lands of html-forms, placing these wonders where they belong, deep in unix heartland, as god loving extensions to the shell." 23:00 <@kanzure> "Surfraw abstracts the browser away from input. Doing so lets it get on with what it's good at. Browsing. Interpretation of linguistic forms is handed back to the shell, which is what it, and human beings are good at. Combined with incremental text browsers, such as links, w3m (or even lynx), and screen(1), or netscape-remote a Surfraw liberateur is capable of research speeds that leave GUI tainted idolaters agape with fear and wonder." 23:00 <@kanzure> dejanews, altavista, freshmeat, research index, all of these things are dead. 23:00 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-176-51-26.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:01 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-176-51-26.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 <@kanzure> oh wait, was research index citeseerx? 23:02 <@fenn> i wonder why he took down his blog: http://web.archive.org/web/20071020051936/http://iq.org/ 23:03 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05 < Swordsman> doesn't that violate the tos of most search engines anyway? 23:05 <@kanzure> oh no terms of service fuck you 23:05 < Swordsman> well, most as in, google and bing 23:05 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:05 <@fenn> i'm disabled in that i can't click on things 23:05 < Swordsman> google will throttle your searches and then start demanding captchas after just a small number of non browser based requests 23:05 <@fenn> so their TOS violates the americans with disabilities act, or something like that 23:05 <@kanzure> who cares, captchas are cheap http://decaptcha.net/ 23:05 <@kanzure> erm i meant http://deathbycaptcha.com/ 23:05 < Swordsman> eventually it starts tossing captchas at you and will just redirect you to another captcha, whether or not you got it right 23:05 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/python-deathbycaptcha 23:06 <@fenn> how do they know it's a browser anyway 23:06 < Swordsman> even if you solve the captchas, google will eventually just cut you off, and give you an endless stream of captchas (without bothering to check if you got them right) 23:07 < Swordsman> user agent, subtle quirks 23:07 <@kanzure> they don't really check user agent anymore 23:07 < Swordsman> they can stick in little bits of javascript and see what they get back 23:07 <@kanzure> that's not user agent. 23:07 < Swordsman> yeah, that falls under the category of 'subtle quirks', as I said 23:08 <@fenn> so, why not just pretend to be a browser that doesn't have any quirks 23:08 <@kanzure> lots of people do 23:08 <@kanzure> including non-random mouse movement 23:08 < Swordsman> and they can associate the behavior with ip addresses and temporal data 23:08 < Swordsman> they seem to do a pretty good job of it 23:09 <@fenn> the idea of surfraw is to interactively use the command line, not abuse websites 23:09 < Swordsman> I've kinda pissed off google a couple times, just messing around with it for fun 23:10 <@kanzure> they also throw captchas even if you produce normal activity too 23:10 < Swordsman> I spent a few hours once altering url fragments to produce amusing "did you mean" messages and eventually it shut me out in various ways 23:11 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgrlhylyfezbmjnr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:11 <@kanzure> don't try to instigate a flamewar about who has been blocked the hardest by google.. you won't win that one son. 23:11 < Swordsman> and then before that, a couple years ago I think, I wrote some scripts that would try to analyze the web for data associated with some query 23:11 <@kanzure> OH MY GOD SCRIPTS 23:11 < Swordsman> google kinda balks at that sorta stuff 23:12 <@kanzure> who cares. we all do it. 23:12 <@fenn> google hates programmers :( 23:12 < Swordsman> who said I'm trying to win a flamewar against anyone? 23:12 <@kanzure> my point is that your examples suck 23:12 < Swordsman> I wasn't aware this was an argument 23:14 < Swordsman> howso? 23:14 <@fenn> kanzure just wants to be the most oppressed and downtrodden hacker on the net 23:15 < Swordsman> well, alright 23:15 <@kanzure> huh? 23:15 <@kanzure> my point is that your examples are really terrible if you are trying to illustrate practical abuse of google 23:16 <@kanzure> speak up when you (1) have a complete archive of all adsense ads in real-time, including mobile ads, (2) have a complete record of all google suggest suggestions for multiple years, (3) cause them to add a rate limit to an endpoint, or (4) or do something a little more interesting than spamming search queries.. 23:16 * kanzure grumps off 23:17 < Swordsman> I was just saying that I've noticed that google gets pissy over little things, I'm not saying that the things I've done to cause google to act in such a way are impressive, quite the contrary, which is exactly my point 23:17 <@kanzure> normal use of google triggers captchas. 23:18 <@kanzure> it occurs to me that it might be useful to actually receive cypherpunk email instead of pretending to by reading eugen leitl's content 23:18 <@kanzure> http://www.al-qaeda.net/cpunk/ 23:19 <@fenn> does it still exist? 23:19 <@kanzure> seems to. 23:19 < Swordsman> well, I guess my original reason for mentioning this stuff was that I was wondering how you guys dealt with it 23:20 <@kanzure> paying for captchas, like through deathbycaptcha 23:20 < Swordsman> I didn't expect it to turn into a thing o_O 23:20 <@kanzure> also paying for proxies to distribute request load 23:20 <@kanzure> "Julian Assange along with John Young and some 1400 others were on the Cypherpunks mail list (crypto, politics) from late in 1995 to 2002" 23:20 < Swordsman> I was thinking about just using duckduckgo, at a slow pace 23:20 <@kanzure> that's larger than i thought it was 23:20 <@kanzure> you can also pay for yahoo!boss api or something 23:21 <@kanzure> i think the default limit is 10k queries/day 23:21 <@kanzure> i usually don't manually type more than 300-400 search queries a day though 23:21 < Swordsman> money is kind of a nonexistent thing for me in every way 23:21 < Swordsman> I live without it 23:22 < Swordsman> initially because I had to, but I ended up finding ways to do everything I needed either for cheap or for free 23:22 <@kanzure> whatever. 23:23 < Swordsman> so the concept of spending money doesn't really ever occur to me, I guess 23:23 <@kanzure> it sounds like you haven't found how to do that for searching, which directly contradicts what you just said. bleh. 23:23 < Swordsman> how to do what? not spend money? 23:24 < Swordsman> I have a number of ideas, but it hasn't been a major priority for me yet 23:24 <@fenn> seems like there would be plenty of ways to evade captchas without spending money, for example setting up a website and displaying captchas by proxy 23:24 < Swordsman> there are various ways I could go about it, but I'd rather just avoid having to deal with google, if this is the sort of thing they don't like 23:24 <@kanzure> no, your statement was about how you "ended up finding ways to do everything" -_- 23:25 < Swordsman> asking people is a good way to find answers for your questions 23:25 < Swordsman> bouncing ideas off of people 23:26 < Swordsman> and it's not like I know everything (godel's theorem comes to mind here, but yeah) 23:27 < Swordsman> if you're alive and conscious, you have questions which need answering, at some level 23:27 <@kanzure> eleitl: do you have an archive of cypherpunks somewhere? 23:28 < Swordsman> if you solved every problem and answered every question, and no questions were left to be answered, then you would have to be dead 23:30 < Swordsman> since the uncertainty of the future, and the decisions that we make in an effort to compensate for it, are what our brains exist for. without the "what do I do next?" question, or anything of that sort, we couldn't exist consciously, at least, not in any sort of way that would be similar to our current existence 23:30 < Swordsman> going from that concept 23:31 <@fenn> you need to grow a bigger imagination 23:31 < Swordsman> it's obvious that I don't mean something like 'I found all the answers to all of the problems ever' 23:31 < Swordsman> I mean, 'I've managed to overcome all problems I've faced thusfar' 23:32 <@fenn> just preventing the heat death of the universe would be a good starter problem 23:32 < Swordsman> oh, I've thought about that since I was a kid 23:33 < Swordsman> the beginning and the end of the universe, what can be changed, if anything 23:33 < Swordsman> I could go on for days 23:33 < Swordsman> most people prefer that I don't 23:33 < Swordsman> so I don't 23:35 < Swordsman> also, in terms of bigger imagination, I'm just going with common assumptions here 23:35 < Swordsman> if you'd like to redefine the assumed constraints of reality for some conversation, I'm fine with that 23:37 <@fenn> i just took offense to the idea that "if no questions were left to be answered, you would have to be dead" 23:37 < Swordsman> well, that's something I've thought about quite a bit, from time to time 23:37 <@fenn> we are currently living in an environment very different from what we evolved in; i imagine mental adaptation could go on for a long time 23:37 < Swordsman> how about the question, "what should I do next?" 23:38 <@fenn> pull the lever 23:38 <@fenn> (you know, the one that triggers the electrode in your pleasure center) 23:39 < Swordsman> you're answering the question there, though 23:39 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-32.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:40 < Swordsman> imagine if the question didn't exist, in your mind 23:40 < Swordsman> imagine if there were no questions in your mind, at all 23:40 < Swordsman> no uncertainties 23:40 <@fenn> i was trying to come up with an answer that would end further questioning 23:40 <@kanzure> sigh 23:40 < Swordsman> well 23:40 <@kanzure> Swordsman: so why are you here again? 23:40 < Swordsman> I wanna learn from you guys 23:41 <@fenn> in experiments the rats with wires in their pleasure center would just keep pulling the lever, and do nothing else 23:41 < jrayhawk> iq.org had a lot of unwise statements on his relationships with women 23:41 < Swordsman> because I think you're awesome, and all of the stuff I'm working on keeps leading me back to you, one way or another 23:41 <@kanzure> evidence suggests you are not working on things 23:41 < Swordsman> for the last couple years 23:41 <@kanzure> i am skeptical 23:41 < Swordsman> that's fine 23:41 <@kanzure> can you leave now 23:42 < Swordsman> ? 23:42 < Swordsman> ._. 23:46 < Swordsman> I don't show results until they're finished, because I'm used to the people giving me the same sort of treatment you're giving me right now. I am working on things, I'm just not at a point where I feel like I could share them and not be ridiculed. Thanks. 23:46 <@kanzure> oh look actual archives http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/ 23:46 < Swordsman> by the way, kanzure, you're awesome 23:46 < Swordsman> but yeah. 23:47 < Swordsman> I'll just read your irc logs from now on. 23:47 -!- Swordsman [~kohii@50.46.238.42] has quit [] 23:47 <@kanzure> Swordsman: calling me awesome will not make me less skeptical of you 23:49 <@fenn> well, i'm certainly not doing anything 23:49 <@kanzure> i'm obviously having trouble figuring out how hard i should be kicking which people out 23:50 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53 <@kanzure> ideally we would be attracting individuals working on hplusroadmap-related projects or who are interested in working on hplusroadmap-related projects 23:54 <@kanzure> but instead we get people like venturecommunism making mochajs bitmoneycoin social gifting javascript things, or people who refuse to read biology books. 23:55 <@fenn> those people don't really bother me i guess 23:55 <@fenn> it's the random "lol" reddit garbage that just sort of blathers all over that gets to me 23:56 <@kanzure> i suppose there's no incentive to work on transcranial death lasers or wearable cryptohats, but then why would you be here? 23:57 <@fenn> it's too bad most people with schizophrenia are so boring and predictable 23:57 <@kanzure> oh i've been meaning to ask you for a realistic conspiracy theory about bayh-dole. i figured you might have one. 23:57 * fenn wants a wearable cryptohat with death lasers 23:58 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:58 <@fenn> um. what do you mean "theory", it's already a conspiracy 23:58 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58 <@kanzure> well it's not a very fun conspiracy :( 23:58 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-171-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Apr 18 00:00:01 2013