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02:43 < DonnchaC> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jm800807k
02:43 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/New%20Analgesics%20Synthetically%20Derived%20from%20the%20Paracetamol%20Metabolite%20.pdf
02:44 < Thorbinator> paperbot: http://epubs.siam.org/doi/abs/10.1137/090777293
02:44 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/397d1b054f27c51cc9fd89fcb0f9a712.txt
02:46 < fenn> bleh i got simulator sickness just from watching oculus rift demos on my monitor
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05:11 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ablest_Man_in_the_World
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05:18 < fenn> "Monsieur will perhaps acknowledge that a more beautiful or more extensive case of trephining has rarely come under his observation."
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08:56 < superkuh> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/nl3034637
08:57 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/dd7b77e62cac0937f822bb4a7e8c53ef.pdf
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09:22 < kanzure> "We have worked on open source projects on-site with OSE,"
09:22 < kanzure> how is that open source -_-
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10:18 < kanzure> linux on an 8-bit microcontroller because everyone likes waiting http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
10:18 < kanzure> "Curiously enough, once booted, the system is somewhat usable. You can type a command and get a reply within a minute."
10:19 < kanzure> "uARM is certainly no speed demon. It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt ("init=/bin/bash" kernel command line). Then 4 more hours to boot up the entire Ubuntu ("exec init" and then login). Starting X takes a lot longer. The effective emulated CPU speed is about 6.5KHz, which is on par with what you'd expect emulating a 32-bit CPU & MMU on a measly 8-bit micro."
10:19 < kanzure> "The board is hand-soldered using wires, there is not even a requirement for a printed circuit board."
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11:07 < panax> raspberry pi
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11:20 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, the idea is pretty funny. as 8bit computers can still be hand-build with a lot of efford.
11:20 < ThomasEgi> which sortof proves that with just enough time and efford , one can still handwire everything
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13:26 < industromatic> kanzure:  I've not figured how to connect a twilio phone number to a SNOM IP handset yet, but twilio seems useful.
13:32 < industromatic> kanzure:  What about openvbx with twilio?  Did you use that?
13:43 < kanzure> yes i used openvbx a long time ago.
13:43 < kanzure> don't remember much of it. liked asterisk.
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14:13 < industromatic> Thanks Bryan.  Asterisk could be good later, once I get going more.   openvbx has been ported to use voxeo for even lower call rates.  Reading that now.
14:16 < brownies> i think the Twilio blog -- or somewhere related -- has a walkthrough of building a hardware thing that receives calls through Twilio
14:19 < kanzure> ah yes because every blinking led needs a phone number
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15:02 < industromatic> Hmm...   tropo.com is NOT the way to get cheap minutes...   plivo.com is though.  $1/mo for numbers, .8 cent/minute
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15:14 < brownies> twilio is the only one of the 3 that has a properly built infrastructure
15:14 < brownies> i've talked with all 3 about their infrastructure and how they would do certain things for me, and i gathered that both of the other 2 just didn't care as much about having a solid API
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15:43 < industromatic> brownies:  I need small office IVR functionality with maybe 6 phone lines total. The web to phone number apps I would do are simple too.
15:43 < industromatic> Why do you think plivo is broken for that simple use case?
15:44 < brownies> i don't think it's "broken"; i just noted that their APIs are shoddier
15:45 < brownies> i think your mini-PVR could be done on any of them. in fact, there's plenty of SaaS apps out there built on twilio/etc that you could just pay for this.
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15:56 < industromatic> easy button paying is not what I'm up to.  I'm the one doing the bus. with the 6 future phone lines and keeping costs down.
15:57 < industromatic> Thanks for the rec. that any of them will do that.  plivo lets you use any telco carrier and has low rates for that.
15:58 < industromatic> plivo's PVR app hosting is only $0.004/minute on top of phone line costs that are about wholesale.
15:59 < industromatic> So, if I decide to have twenty instead of six it will still be easy to pay for.
16:04 < brownies> wow, that is crazy cheap per minute. let me know how the quality is.
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16:23 < industromatic> brownies: re:  let me know --  How to get you an email later?  John Griessen
16:24 < industromatic> brownies:   you can email me at john at cibolo dot com
16:24 < brownies> are you going to be hanging around this channel? i am perennially idling here
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16:44 < industromatic> perennially idling:  Sure, I can just post that info here, then.  I can't keep all these channels open and attended to all the time in between though.  Have not figured out how to generate enough rent money that way yet... :)
16:45 < industromatic> brownies: perennially is not same as continually, so maybe it's all the same with you :-)
16:47 < brownies> industromatic: heh, yeah, i'm not always attending to these channels, but i stay connected.
16:48 < industromatic> brownies: kanzure: Do you need a SIP server on a LAN to use a SNOM IP phone to connect to twilio or plivo?  Can a phone connect directly somehow?
16:50 < brownies> industromatic: i don't know the intricacies of SIP but they seem to cover it http://www.twilio.com/sip
16:50 < industromatic> brownies: kanzure:  Probably the SIP server would be on a DMZ portion of the chain of connection to the internet...
16:51 < brownies> my experience and impressions of the 3 companies come from their SMS APIs btw ... but i feel like it's reasonable to claim that laziness on their SMS API is probalby correlated to laziness on their other APIs
16:51 < industromatic> Oh, my question is more about local internet connection security and firewalling and if an IP phone is self sufficient.
16:51 < brownies> i'm not sure, sorry.
16:52 < industromatic> OK.  Later.  JG
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16:54 < kanzure> microryza is hiring https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5583177
16:54 < kanzure> i wasn't aware they had money..
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17:16 < industromatic> I'm going to try them out for a "supporting role" campaign after I get my sensornet stuff delivered to TX State.
17:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=cd1e9e24 Bryan Bishop: small article from the news
17:55 < brownies> kanzure: aren't they YC?
17:59 < kanzure> yes but only recently
17:59 < kanzure> so they are using their yc money to hire a developer?
17:59 < kanzure> do they even have actual revenue
18:01 < brownies> who needs revenue when you have hype
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18:02 < kanzure> i am not sure their hype is that strong?
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22:54 < kanzure> npm is weird. if you tell it that a remote git repository for your package exists, it craps out and complains if you also don't have a .git/HEAD yet..
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23:26 < kanzure> "We are starting to see international adoption - more than a dozen GVCS machines have now been replicated from our open blueprints - in 5 countries around the world. Our next step is pilot projects - to prove our machines further - and make them ready for widespread use."
23:27 < kanzure> pfft blueprints. what a liar.
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23:43 < kanzure> here is my attempt at making phantomjs development life less awful:
23:43 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/phantomjs-test-provisions
23:43 < kanzure> http://npmjs.org/package/phantomjs-test-provisions
23:48 < Juul> that is a noble goal
23:48 < kanzure> huh, this is a neat idea.. visual regression tests with phantomjs: https://npmjs.org/package/review
23:50 < kanzure> oh it's not doing an automatic visual diff. blah.
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