--- Log opened Fri Apr 26 00:00:08 2013 00:04 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.6780v1 00:04 <@kanzure> .title 00:04 < yoleaux> [1304.6780v1] Practices in source code sharing in astrophysics 00:04 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Practices%20in%20source%20code%20sharing%20in%20astrophysics.pdf 00:04 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-105-54.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:04 <@kanzure> oh right 00:06 -!- strages_1ome [~strages@98.67.161.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:28 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:36 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:20 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:44 < superkuh> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11207-013-0286-8 01:44 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/441897c27f230ab55b0c48bc94fb1ab.txt 01:45 <@kanzure> why oh why is paperbot failing more often. 01:49 < ThomasEgi> paywalls getting higher? 01:52 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 < nmz787> i have access to that paper 02:03 < archels`> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs11207-013-0286-8.pdf 02:03 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a53e1a93963beb41463895c6561ac517.txt 02:04 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Chromospheric%20Sunspot%20Oscillations%20in%20H%ce%b1%20and%20Ca%20II%208542%20%c3%85.pdf 02:04 < nmz787> 2 - 3 min delay because this isn't automated/assisted in some way 02:04 < superkuh> Thank you. 02:05 < nmz787> kanzure: i'm just ssh-ing these over 02:05 < nmz787> kanzure: is there a way to do that via js? 02:06 < nmz787> or can you help me run an upload server and the accompanying bookmarklet to upload with? 02:06 <@kanzure> you can do an XHR HTTP PUT from javascript 02:07 <@kanzure> if you have a specific upload server in mind then i'll take a look at it to see if it's safe to run, sure.. 02:08 < nmz787> well like i said, currently i'm just scp-ing these paperbot failures to the same server paperbot is on 02:09 <@kanzure> simplest way would be to add some wsgi python application to your user account via .htaccess or something 02:09 < nmz787> so that's the target in this case 02:09 <@kanzure> and then tack on user authentication with a password or something 02:09 < nmz787> flask based? 02:09 <@kanzure> sure why not 02:10 < nmz787> or what is wsgi in your case? 02:10 <@kanzure> the vserver is serving up web pages with apache so it would involve mod_wsgi 02:11 <@kanzure> i am currently sleeping but i am sure that joey would love to be bugged to do apache things at 4am 02:11 < nmz787> 4am 02:11 < nmz787> psh 02:11 < nmz787> 2:11 02:12 < nmz787> if you lived here you'd have more time to program tonight 02:12 <@kanzure> nope i spend all of my midnight hours complaining about phantomjs 02:12 <@kanzure> it is a very strict schedule 02:12 <@kanzure> 12-1 is scheduled for complaining about callbacks 02:13 <@kanzure> 1-3am complaining about commonjs/require/assholes overriding require 02:13 <@kanzure> 4am is spent resolving existential crises brought about by javascrpt 02:13 <@kanzure> +i 02:14 < nmz787> well i actually did some physicalwork earlier so i am tired too, guess i have no reason to stay awake 02:15 < nmz787> oOps 02:15 < nmz787> can you apt-get install python-flask? 02:15 < nmz787> on gnusha 02:28 < nmz787> kanzure: beat ya by downloading the libs myself http://diyhpl.us:5000/ 03:03 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has 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memories? I thought that guy proved theorems and shit? Holy shit, really, why couldn't Hanuman li Tosh be in this one too? He was the ONLY likeable character in the series! At least Nikolos Daru Ede doesn't put a pause in every sentence he says. Honestly, all that comes out of Danlo's mouth is "But, truly... To live, life itself... The shimmering interconn...ectedness. ... 12:20 <@kanzure> ... Yes?". Christ, is the cerebral callus getting in the way of the aneurysm again?" 12:20 <@kanzure> "I seriously hope Hanuman shows the fuck up in the last book or I'm back to Greg Egan." 12:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-134-13-90.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 < eudoxia> i'm glad you like my comedy kanzure 12:24 <@kanzure> anyway yes he shows up in the last book 12:25 < eudoxia> i know, i read it month ago :P 12:25 < eudoxia> i should update that part 12:25 <@kanzure> i was just remembering how much i hate most fiction and how disappointing it all is 12:26 <@kanzure> neverness has ftl which is inexcusable. 12:26 <@kanzure> and charlie stross is just trying to show off how many words he knows (or something) 12:27 <@kanzure> and somehow i ended up on your page. 12:29 <@fenn> pretty sure i read through all of neverness, but i barely remember any of it 12:30 <@kanzure> http://heybryan.org/docs/Zindell,%20David%20-%20Neverness%20(v1.0).txt 12:30 <@fenn> dunno if that says something about me or the book 12:31 <@kanzure> 6 or 7 years ago i realized that if i was going to get any reasonably good hard scifi in my lifetime that i would have to be the one to write it 12:31 <@kanzure> so i started squirreling away tiny fragments once in a while into an archive 12:32 < eudoxia> ohhh i'd like to read that 12:32 < eudoxia> was it version controlled? 12:32 <@kanzure> i dunno why zindell did all that stuff about ftl.. there's a lot of room for story with relativistic travel.. 12:33 <@kanzure> no, it's just a place i dump text files into. i haven't actually looked at the collection. 12:33 <@kanzure> or edited anything ever 12:34 <@fenn> the problem with relativistic space travel is all the trips are one-way 12:34 <@kanzure> huh? 12:34 <@fenn> (the problem with non-relativistic space travel is it's equivalent to time travel) 12:35 <@kanzure> how are they one-way? you send your software there, then you can send it back. what's the big fucking deal. 12:35 <@fenn> consider you blast off to a star 1000 light years away at 99% of the speed of light; it takes you 10 perceived years to get there, and 10 years to get back, but 2000 years have passed in the meanwhile 12:35 <@kanzure> yep. 12:36 <@fenn> so much has changed in the time since you left that what you come back to is as different as the destination was compared to where you started 12:36 <@kanzure> how is that a problem? 12:36 <@fenn> nobody knows how to think that way 12:36 <@kanzure> i think authors are just lazy 12:37 < eudoxia> yeah fenn if everyone you know and love died or moved away you should just lump it 12:37 <@kanzure> what? 12:37 <@fenn> "lump it"? 12:37 < ThomasEgi> fenn, and your spacecraft woud have 9 times the mass compared to when it is not moving 12:37 < eudoxia> >To endure, accept, put up with a situation one does not like. 12:38 <@fenn> and your front would be longer than your side, but who cares 12:38 <@fenn> or was it the other way around 12:39 <@kanzure> also the authors could tie in longevity to get around the "no familiar characters" problem. 12:40 <@kanzure> or cryonics. 12:41 <@kanzure> or clones, ancestors, emulated copies, and all manner of other tricks. again, authors are lazy. 12:41 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r186-55-195-35.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 <@fenn> but a world in which people are still recognizable after 2000 years wouldn't be that interesting 12:42 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-134-13-90.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:42 <@fenn> everyone would be sitting around frozen in tanks of liquid nitrogen, or side-effect free S expressions or whatever 12:42 < eudoxia_> haha 12:43 <@kanzure> "wouldn't be that interesting" isn't true.. there are many ways to tie in those elements in clever ways i think. 12:44 <@kanzure> to be fair there are many uninteresting things in current stories, i think they could be done better heh 12:47 <@fenn> i guess arthur clarke wrote about relativistic space travel 12:48 <@kanzure> i don't often see stories that use relativistic space travel plus brain emulation, or forked copies of individuals, or longevity, or cryonics. i mean, there's a lot of fodder for scifi that has gone unused. 12:49 <@fenn> hm. cryonics for space travel is so common it's cliche 12:49 <@fenn> space travel + brain emulation is rare though, i'll grant you that 12:49 <@kanzure> but isn't space travel plus emulation obvious? 12:49 < eudoxia_> not hard sci fi cryonics 12:50 <@kanzure> eudoxia_: ? 12:50 <@fenn> it's not obvious, it just may be the only thing that would work though 12:51 <@kanzure> saurik: do you have a rom dump of google glass yet? and if so can i have a look? 12:52 <@kanzure> http://cache.saurik.com/tinyimg/glassbroke.jpg 12:53 <@kanzure> fenn: i've also been disappointed in "biopunk". none of these authors seem to be molecular biologists. their "hard scifi biology" is pretty bonkers. 12:54 <@kanzure> greg's white knight concept was fun i think 12:54 <@fenn> yeah egan is the only one who gets it right on both counts 12:54 <@kanzure> "Google Glass runs Android 4.0.4, which is subject to the adb restore race condition; com.google.glass.logging fits the needed configuration." 12:54 <@kanzure> oh i see. 12:55 <@kanzure> well it's nice that it's android, but i was expecting it to be more challening to break. 12:55 <@kanzure> *challenging 12:57 <@fenn> oh look "science fiction stories with good astronomy and physics" http://astrosociety.org/edu/resources/scifi06.html 12:57 < eudoxia_> kanzure: cryonics with a bunch of technical details/discussion of difficulties 12:58 <@kanzure> eudoxia_: i haven't seen that in fiction yet 12:58 < eudoxia_> neither have i 12:58 <@kanzure> nobody seems to read fahy or ben best or whatever. that would seem to be a necessary first step to writing good cryonics fiction. 12:59 <@fenn> usually they just assume "it's just like bears hibernating" and leave it at that 12:59 <@fenn> could a human hibernate 1000 years? 12:59 -!- ParahSailin [~Rob@50-194-178-148-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:01 <@fenn> seeds can be dormant for that long, no problem 13:02 -!- ParahSailin [~Rob@50-194-178-148-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- wizrobe [~userdi@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 13:05 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:10 <@fenn> "Vitrification in cryonics is different than vitrification in mainstream cryobiology because vitrification in cryonics is not reversible with current technology." does that mean that "mainstream" vitrification is reversible? 13:15 < saurik> kanzure: yeah, its just Android with a custom launcher/home thingee 13:16 < saurik> http://test.saurik.com/kanzure/IMG_0144.JPG 13:18 <@kanzure> fenn: i'm pretty sure you still move around during hibernation. 13:18 <@kanzure> fenn: having never hibernated, i am not entirely sure. 13:19 <@kanzure> saurik: so there's a specific google glass apk that i could possibly poke at? 13:20 -!- marciogm [~textual@unaffiliated/marciogm] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:20 <@kanzure> saurik: btw there should be a way to get a screenshot off of /dev somewhere.. i used to use "adb -d pull /dev/graphics/fb0 fb0" all the time. 13:20 <@kanzure> erm.. -d because i was using an emulator in that case. 13:20 <@kanzure> then you have to reformat the file: ffmpeg -vframes 1 -vcodec rawvideo -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb32 -s 480x800 -i fb0 -f image2 -vcodec png $outputpng 13:20 <@kanzure> or whatever the resolution is (480x800 is probably wrong) 13:21 <@fenn> Why this effect works is a matter of dispute, but it is known that static electric fields enhance ice nucleation so perhaps oscillating electric fields have the opposite effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cells_Alive_System 13:22 < ParahSailin> when they vitrify cell lines or sperm, its reversible 13:22 <@fenn> i always figured "stasis field" was just pure poppycock technobabble 13:23 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 <@fenn> something like the "cells alive system" would make cryo preservation super cheap; no need for a team of surgeons to drill holes in your skull 13:26 <@fenn> and not needing high concentrations of chemicals should reduce the challenge of reanimation 13:26 < eudoxia_> but you'd need to keep it powered constantly 13:26 <@fenn> no, once you're frozen you're frozen 13:26 < eudoxia_> i think 13:26 < eudoxia_> right, right, past T_g 13:27 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r186-55-195-35.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:31 <@fenn> "ABI’s “Cells Alive System” (CAS) vibrates water with magnetic fields, preventing freezing, even at supercool temperatures of -10 degrees Celsius (According to the Patent.) When the field is turned off, the water in the food instantly freezes." 13:37 -!- bkero [~Ben@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 <@fenn> i'd think something similar could be done with immense hydrostatic pressure; the phase diagram for water is pretty complicated http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/phase.html#intr2 13:40 <@fenn> raise pressure to 200MPa, lower temperature to -20C, lower pressure to 0 13:41 <@fenn> 200MPa is quite achievable 13:45 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-164-208-103.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:46 <@fenn> ah i guess i'm not the first person to have thought of this http://www.benbest.com/cryonics/pressure.html 13:46 <@kanzure> ahem i explicitly said something about reading ben best things heh 13:48 <@fenn> come on who wants to read about phase diagrams, where's the space aliens and lazers 13:53 <@fenn> it's surprising that additions to the phase diagram have been made as recently as 2002, i thought all that stuff was figured out in the 50's 14:00 < jrayhawk> a 200MPa swing seems a bit unhealthy for tissues 14:01 < jrayhawk> though i suppose density is probably a good idea anyway since the expansion from Ih ice would also be bad for tissues 14:02 < jrayhawk> s/density/pressure 14:04 < jrayhawk> i suppose humans at least can survive pressurization just fine, it's depressurization that causes problems, so just compress further into III and V to get the rapid freezing effect 14:05 <@fenn> high pressures drive organic condensation reactions equilibrium toward polymerization 14:07 <@fenn> i guess i'd be worried about cracking bones because of the relative expansion difference 14:09 <@fenn> how come nasa isn't doing this stuff 14:10 < jrayhawk> 1044 feet: world record for deepest scuba dive 14:10 <@fenn> i read 548 meters (50bar) but not very impressive 14:10 < jrayhawk> jeepers 14:10 <@fenn> so i guess the liquid air stuff in abyss isn't really used 14:11 <@fenn> oxygenated perfluorocarbons 14:15 -!- industromatic [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-67-117.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Iceweasel 10.0.12/20130108232239]] 14:15 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16 -!- SDr [~ask@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:16 -!- SDr [~ask@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:41 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-164-208-103.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:42 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-164-206-171.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:46 < ParahSailin> ok i got shell access to the iontorrent box 14:46 < ParahSailin> kanzure: you got any rootkit advice? 15:03 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:07 -!- TheEmpath [~12dCode@unaffiliated/theempath] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:09 -!- sdoowpilihp [~Adium@pool-96-251-88-55.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:19 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: uname -a 15:29 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 <@fenn> paperbot: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/tjsrae/26/4/26_4_371/_pdf 15:35 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d342b279e3522a3ac91e3fa3820813f.txt 15:36 <@kanzure> heh japanese javascript 15:37 <@fenn> this paper is probably misleading anyway 15:37 <@kanzure>