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00:34 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12143.html
00:34 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Hypothalamic%20programming%20of%20systemic%20ageing%20involving%20IKK-%2C%20NF-B%20and%20GnRH.pdf
00:34 < kanzure> yeesh "Received 05 October 2011 Accepted 02 April 2013 Published online 01 May 2013"
00:38 < nmz787_> ParahSail1n: have as in?
00:38 < nmz787_> ParahSail1n: so far a schematic and a breadboarded circuit... i haven't got around to massaging the schematic into a PCB though
00:44 < kanzure> weird, i thought http://circuitlab.com/ and http://circuits.io/ were the same company, but nope
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03:09 < archels> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2013/05/01/science.1232655.full.pdf
03:09 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cfd93e3cbda637b896b7be2cb329e3a9.txt
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03:29 < kanzure> maybe paperbot should use magic eight ball phrases.
03:29 < kanzure> or fortune cookie phrases
03:31 < archels> -> BOFH excuse generator
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03:31 < archels> I might actually code that as soon as sbp releases the new phennybot
03:32 < kanzure> i didn't think he plans to continue with phenny, it's spectacularly broken everywhere and i think the other options are getting more attention from programmers
03:32 < archels> yeah, he's begun again from the ground up.
03:32 < archels> phenny2 is called saxo
03:33 < archels> https://github.com/sbp/saxo
03:33 < kanzure> what makes it phenny2?
03:34 < kanzure> huh it lists kanzure/pyphantomjs.git as a repo that sbp has contributed to https://github.com/sbp
03:34 < kanzure> i should read commit logs more carefully
03:35 < archels> nothing, I suppose. It's its successor, but the internals are wildly different.
03:38 < kanzure> okay
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03:48 < kanzure> "just throw it up in a torrent, i swear people will download it and there will be a million mirrors and we will all live happily ever after"
04:01 < kanzure> "Nobody mentioned the Shanzai. The term was explained to me by the founder of a hardware company in Shenzhen. They are small companies that specialize in infringing IP laws and copying consumer electronics products almost as fast as they a released on the market." http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/30/content_10582935.htm
04:01 < kanzure> .title
04:01 < yoleaux> Copycat "Shanzhai" culture takes on life of its own_English_Xinhua
04:05 < kanzure> "search electronic parts @ http://search.taobao.com, you'll be surprised. keyword: 電阻 (capacitor)，電位器旋鈕（knob），貼片機 （SMT machine）. You can also check individuas store like this one [1], price is in RMB. http://shop33817767.taobao.com/ "
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04:13 < kanzure> http://static.usenix.org/events/sec06/tech/shah/shah_html/jbug-Usenix06.html
04:13 < kanzure> .title
04:13 < yoleaux> Keyboards and Covert Channels
04:13 < kanzure> " In particular, we show a practical Keyboard JitterBug that solves the data exfiltration problem for keystroke loggers by leaking captured passwords through small variations in the precise times at which keyboard events are delivered to the host. Whenever an interactive communication application (such as SSH, Telnet, instant messaging, etc) is running, a receiver monitoring the host's network traffic can recover the leaked data, even when ...
04:13 < kanzure> ... the session or link is encrypted."
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07:32 < juri_> kanzure: routing algorithms for PCB are one of my 'things'.
07:32 < juri_> and yes, i'm a minor geda user.
07:34 < juri_> i don't do path-to-pcb, i'm still just using it as a whiteboard on which to spit ideas, which i then go hand build prototypes.
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11:12 < kanzure> "Just thought I'd start a new thread for the survey for those that may have missed it. This is a Survey to get a gauge for how many members would be willing to financially support a new Bio/Citizen science space for the East Bay DIY Bio group and how much our monthly budget might be."
11:12 < kanzure> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/YBBM6F7
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11:23 < kanzure> http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2012/11/01/hype_malpractice_and_scientific_misconduct_in_organic_synthesis.php
11:23 < kanzure> "Unfortunately, the community has chosen and continues to choose the yield values in submitted manuscripts as a measure of overall quality and/or utility of the report. This, of course, encourages the 􏰛'adjustment' in the values in order to avoid critique. An additional problem in the reported values is the fact that synthesis is performed on small scales, thanks to advances in NMR and other techniques available for structure ...
11:23 < kanzure> ... determination. On milligram scales it is extremely difficult to accurately determine weight and content of a sample, given the equipment available in typical academic laboratory."
11:23 < kanzure> "For example, the authors point out that very, very rarely are any new synthetic methods given a proper optimization. One-variable one-at-a-time changes are worthwhile, but they're not sufficient to explore a reaction manifold, not when these changes can interact with each other. As process chemists in industry know, the only way to explore such landscapes is with techniques such as Design of Experiments (DoE), which try to find out what ...
11:23 < kanzure> ... factors in a multivariate system produce the greatest change in results. Here's an example; the process chemistry literature furnishes many more."
11:24 < kanzure> huh, when did inthepipeline move to this domain?
11:26 < kanzure> "As a former analytical chemists, who has done quite a lot of synthesis, I did never understand why some of my peers where reporting false yields. There were very simple tricks to detect this, from the ones who always had x5's on their yields, to the ones who only had odd or even numbers ... there are more sophisticated analyses which are employed by tax agencies which can could be used, easily."
11:27 < kanzure> hey these comments are legible
11:36 < ryankarason> kk, so the name of this channel has been puzzling me for days
11:36 < ryankarason> i just got to the understanding that h+ is this idea of transhumanism
11:36 < ryankarason> what then, is a h+ road map?
11:37 < kanzure> hplusroadmap is a project focused on building particular technology,
11:37 < kanzure> see http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration
11:44 < ryankarason> alright so this idea of a "roadmap" is saying that the purpose of this channel is to mark all of the milestones of transhumanism as to show the possible paths of which are yeilding success
11:44 < ryankarason> it seems?
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11:47 < archels> kanzure: re 'hype malpractice', is it me or are they just a bunch of curmudgeons?
11:47 < archels> 'the golden days of synthesis' what.
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11:59 < kanzure> ryankarason: no, there was an actual roadmap and then we abandoned it because ??
11:59 < kanzure> oh yeah because it was written poorly
12:00 < kanzure> ugh more glowcrap :( http://www.gizmag.com/glowing-plants-kickstarter-project/27324/
12:00 < kanzure> .title
12:00 < yoleaux> Glowing plants and DIY bio succeed on Kickstarter
12:10 < archels> kanzure: do you consider this to fall under Carlson and Hudlicky's definition of 'hype'?
12:11 < kanzure> i dunno if it falls under that particular definition, but yes i hate this glowshit very much and i think it's overhyped.
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12:42 < ryankarason> i think it seems interesting
12:43 < ryankarason> always thought lightning bugs were the coolest.
12:43 < ryankarason> kanzure: what exactly is a "roadmap" then ?
12:43 < kanzure> it gets boring very fast, because people tend to not understand the difference between ultraviolet-only luminescence and the other types.
12:43 < kanzure> and people exaggerate the capabilities of both styles of glow
12:43 < ryankarason> ah
12:43 < ryankarason> uv, that is really neat
12:44 < ryankarason> so you can make plants that will illuminate in blacklight ?
12:44 < chris_99> you can buy mushrooms that do that iirc
12:45 < ryankarason> ooo
12:45 < ryankarason> i have been growing Oyster Mushrooms for the past month
12:45 < ryankarason> bought ready to pick some, i am excited:D
12:45 < chris_99> heh i've been trying to grow them
12:45 < chris_99> whats your substrate?
12:45 < ryankarason> Sonoluminescence is my favorite kind of luminescence
12:45 < ryankarason> chris_99: coffee grounds :D
12:46 < rigel> http://fungi.com/product-detail/product/the-pink-oyster-mushroom-patch.html
12:46 < chris_99> nice, i'm using spent grain from beer, it's not doing well at all though
12:46 < rigel> how much lignin does spent grain have?
12:46 < chris_99> lignin? not heard of that
12:47 < rigel> or are the oysters grown on straw? i dont recall
12:47 < ryankarason> rigel: i got the mycellium running oyster patch
12:47 < chris_99> apparently you can grow them on spent grain
12:47 < chris_99> i think mine are too cold
12:47 < rigel> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11409955
12:47 < kanzure> .title
12:47 < ryankarason> growing them on spent coffee ground seems to be working grreat
12:47 < yoleaux> Degradation of lignin in wheat straw durin... [J Agric Food Chem. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI
12:48 < rigel> oh yeah temperature is important
12:48 < rigel> http://www.jgi.doe.gov/sequencing/why/50009.html
12:48 < kanzure> .title
12:49 < yoleaux> Why Sequence the Oyster Mushroom?
12:50 < kanzure> nodecopter/ardrone/drone things will be at makerfaire in san francisco later this month (may 18-19) https://tito.io/dronegames/dronegames-makerfaire-sf-2013
12:51 < rigel> so i am eager to hear interesting things i might do with an amazon EC2 instance i just signed up for
12:51 < rigel> i mean aside from normal workaday stuff
12:51 < kanzure> uh, anything you can do with a regular server.
12:55 < kanzure> 3d printed quadrotor chasis, looks like a single contiguous part https://twitter.com/stanfordrobotx/status/297060906288943105/photo/1
12:56 < brownies> nice
12:56 < rigel> kanzure: no easter eggs?
12:57 < rigel> i heard about something like imaging the drive that gets spun up and looking for data or something
12:59 < kanzure> where did you hear that?
12:59 < rigel> hackaday? something in that vein
13:00 < rigel> since it's a virtual drive and dynamically allocated, idea being that someone else's data might still remain on what's been spun up for you
13:00 < kanzure> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/message.jspa?messageID=406988
13:00 < kanzure> .title
13:00 < yoleaux> AWS Developer Forums: Does Amazon wipe EBS drive data upon ...
13:00 < kanzure> "I actually tested that a few months ago. Every block was fully binary zero."
13:01 < kanzure> http://media.amazonwebservices.com/pdf/AWS_Security_Whitepaper.pdf
13:01 < rigel> innerestin
13:03 < kanzure> maybe you are thinking of EBS snapshots
13:03 < kanzure> are there any public EBS snapshots ?
13:06 < kanzure> i guess they have data sets "Select public data sets are hosted on Amazon EC2 for free as Amazon Elastic Block Store (Amazon EBS) snapshots."
13:06 < kanzure> "A set of transcript sequences of well-characterized genes and hundreds of thousands of expressed sequence tags (EST) that provide an organized view of the transcriptome."
13:06 < kanzure> "The Ensembl project produces genome databases for human as well as almost 50 other species, and makes this information freely available."
13:06 < kanzure> oh that's nice of them to provide.
13:07 < kanzure> http://alestic.com/2009/09/ec2-public-ebs-danger
13:07 < kanzure> .title
13:07 < yoleaux> Hidden Dangers in Creating Public EBS Snapshots on EC2 - Alestic.com
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16:46 < kanzure> this one is neat, http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/unicode_url_hac_1.html
16:46 < kanzure> "Here's a demo: it's a Web page that appears to be www.paypal.com but is not PayPal. Everything from the address bar to the hover-over status on the link says www.paypal.com It works by substituting a Unicode character for the second "a" in PayPal. That Unicode character happens to look like an English "a," but it's not an "a." The attack works even under SSL."
16:46 < brownies> haha. how delightfully evil.
16:48 < abetusk> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?166,202539
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17:27 < kanzure> .title
17:27 < yoleaux> Hot plate stirrer to dissolve PLA
17:28 < abetusk> Found it off of HaD.  I thought it was novel.  They used a stepper driver to drive the solenoids for the stirrer
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17:49 < kanzure> hah another dead forum http://www.diy3dscan.com/ tsk tsk..
18:09 < abetusk> ?  Last post is today...
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18:45 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627313002663
18:45 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20Ventral%20Hippocampus%20Is%20the%20Embryonic%20Origin%20for%20Adult%20Neural%20Stem%20Cells%20in%20the%20Dentate%20Gyrus.txt
18:46 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273%2813%2900266-3
18:46 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20Ventral%20Hippocampus%20Is%20the%20Embryonic%20Origin%20for%20Adult%20Neural%20Stem%20Cells%20in%20the%20Dentate%20Gyrus.pdf
18:48 < superkuh> Not actually a pdf.
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21:46 < kanzure> heh, yep, there's assange's name.. https://github.com/JNRowe/surfraw/blob/master/AUTHORS
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