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00:24 < kanzure> ielo: yes?
00:24 < kanzure> i hope the teslas have auto-leveling windows
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09:55 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: sup
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09:55 < yashgaroth> meh
09:55 <@kanzure> sivoais: yo fix your connection
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09:56 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: do you want to join ParahSailin on some hopeless antibody quest? could be any antibody, then sell over bitcoin.
09:56 < yashgaroth> sure, sounds fun
09:56 <@kanzure> do you have any favorites?
09:57 <@kanzure> costly favorites, ideally
09:57 < yashgaroth> they all are, hmm
09:58 < yashgaroth> TNFa inhibitors are always popular, anti-inflammatory in general really
10:02 <@kanzure> what would a copy take?
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10:04 < yashgaroth> you can get the backbone heavy chain sequence anywhere, if it's monoclonal then you just need the variable region sequence, can probably get that synthesized and splice it in
10:04 <@kanzure> oh right, we should pick something from a patent or some shit
10:04 < yashgaroth> yup that's the one good thing about patents
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12:13 <@kanzure> openscad has a new site http://openscad.org/
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14:09 <@kanzure> github collaborator analysis http://coyotebush.github.io/github-network-analysis/
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14:54 <@kanzure> what was that "attach lots of accelerometers to your fingers/finger joints/knuckles/wrists" keyboard stuff?
15:10 < ParahSailin> easily fooled http://lesswrong.com/lw/ub/competent_elites/
15:10 <@kanzure> http://www.research.att.com/techdocs/TD_100756.pdf "This paper shows that the location of screen taps on modern smartphones and tablets can be identified from accelerometer and gyroscope readings."
15:11 <@kanzure> what about crazier things like attaching microphones on all the fingers/joints, or running a current/signal between two digits (would that even work), or laser interference patterns..
15:11 <@kanzure> "Steve Jurvetson talked fast and articulately, could follow long chains of reasoning, was familiar with a wide variety of technologies, and was happy to drag in analogies from outside sciences like biology—good ones, too."
15:11 <@kanzure> yeah, jurvetson is worth meeting. he has lots of money and likes to fund technology-related companies and is not a stranger to singularity things.
15:11 <@kanzure> but being able to talk and listen to people isn't that hard of a skill
15:12 < ParahSailin> thats what management consulting/ib hires for
15:12 < ParahSailin> talking fast and the charisma of seeming smart
15:13 <@kanzure> yeah but i mean, it's not hard to both actually know things and talk well
15:13 <@kanzure> also my experience is tinted by the fact that i just like the sound of my own voice :(
15:13 <@kanzure> "This was the point at which I realized that my child prodigy license had officially completely expired." we revoked that decades ago dude.
15:14 <@kanzure> hahah oh man "Now, admittedly, this was a closed conference run by people clueful enough to think "Let's invite Eliezer Yudkowsky"" yeah, clueful. or how about "bored".
15:15 <@kanzure> why am i reading this
15:17 < ParahSailin> same reason you're in ##lesswrong?
15:17 <@kanzure> how about, whole hand reflectometry. you put your hands into a micromirror array chamber and you bounce photons around to measure the positions of fingers
15:18 <@kanzure> no i guess that wont work, you would need too many photodiodes or something
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15:18 < ParahSailin> use a theremin as an input device
15:19 <@kanzure> "It is named after the westernized name of its Russian inventor, Léon Theremin, who patented the device in 1928. The controlling section usually consists of two metal antennas which sense the position of the player's hands and control oscillators for frequency with one hand, and amplitude (volume) with the other, so it can be played without being touched. "
15:19 <@kanzure> pfft
15:19 < chris_99> it was designed to be an alarm system iirc
15:19 < ParahSailin> to scare trespassers with spooky ghost sounds?
15:19 < chris_99> haha
15:20 < superkuh> There was a guy using models of the finger's infrared light absorption to detect finger bends by shining IR down through the nail and imaging with a tiny CCD.
15:21 < chris_99> this does finger tracking http://www.duo3d.com/about/kit
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15:22 <@kanzure> duo3d doesn't seem like it would be able to get much performance out of it
15:22 <@kanzure> i am doing roughly 12 to 15 characters per second and would like to at least double that or get an order of magnitude going on there
15:23 <@kanzure> superkuh: so it was whole finger bending, or just the last joint?
15:23 < ParahSailin> holding whole hand up and gesturing is gonna be exhausting
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15:24 <@kanzure> i have never seen a speedy gesture interface
15:24 < ParahSailin> experiment: play that video without sound and see if it still seems "cool"
15:24 < superkuh> Just whatever could be derived from compression and shifting in the tip. But it is hard to bend only one finger joint.
15:24 < ParahSailin> result: dork
15:24 < superkuh> Er, maybe not so hard. Nevermind.
15:28 <@kanzure> what about the motion capture people?
15:30 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Temporal%20change%20in%20bimanual%20interkeypress%20intervals%20and%20self-reported%20symptoms%20during%20continuous%20typing.pdf
15:30 < ParahSailin> wotd: favaginous http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/437088502/Plate_ice_machine_Evaporative_Plates.html?s=p
15:31 < ParahSailin> disappointingly enough, no connection to vagina http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/favaginous
15:35 <@kanzure> vtype did "fiberoptical curvature detection"
15:38 <@kanzure> fingering only uses 5 accelerometers.. not sure that's enough to make it better than qwerty.
15:38 <@kanzure> "samsung scurry" used gyroscopes on each finger. hrm.
15:39 < ParahSailin> accelerometers seems like it would work
15:39 < ParahSailin> i dont mind typing that much though
15:40 <@kanzure> all of these projects were designed to be alternatives or reduced throughput. i want greater throughput, not less. so i think you need to capture even more data from fingers. not just which button was pressed.
15:40 <@kanzure> even something as simple as "pressing the same key with a different finger will give you a different key combination"
15:41 <@kanzure> dunno.
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20:43 <@fenn> i'd thought about scraping google street view images and turning it into a movie, but it looks like someone has gone and done it first. i just didn't expect it would look so cool: http://vimeo.com/63653873
20:53 <@kanzure> i think the music helps
20:55 <@fenn> i've seen animated gifs like this where people walk across a city taking pictures of some distant landmark, then they loop it forward and backward so it's like you're being flung about on a mile long rubber band
20:56 <@fenn> http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/07/incredible-vertigo-inducing-animations-of-san-francisco/
20:57 <@fenn> they must have plotted out the course to walk first and followed a GPS route
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21:38 <@fenn> "attach lots of accelerometers to your fingers" = http://www.sigchi.org/chi97/proceedings/paper/fkm.htm
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22:16 <@fenn> ah finally some positive forward-looking biotech concepts http://www.samehat.com/2010/05/back-in-business-shintaro-kago-daily.html
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