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00:58 <@kanzure> cool, a legitimately alright article on lesswrong http://lesswrong.com/lw/z0/the_pascals_wager_fallacy_fallacy/
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09:49 <@kanzure> random_dude: hi
09:52 < random_dude> kanzure: yes
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10:10 < delinquentme> kanzure, you mining bitcoins?
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10:16 <@kanzure> no
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10:18 <@kanzure> "For that matter, people on Death Row might sell you their DNA for cigarette money."
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10:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, you're looking for cheap public open DNA data sources?
10:21 < delinquentme> also do you know who is currently shipping bitcoin miners?
10:21 <@kanzure> no, it' just a curious idea.
10:21 <@kanzure> no, go ask the butterflyface people or whoever.
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10:23 <@kanzure> hah diybio is getting lamer by the minute. yesterday it was "you can't perform science without academic credentials" and today it's "you can't do biology without licenses".. why are these people even involved in diybio projects if they don't actually agree with the concept of not caring about those things.
10:24 < bkero> to submarine it
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10:25 <@kanzure> i think submarine attacks have to be more subtle
10:25 <@kanzure> right?
10:25 < ParahSailin> licenses now?
10:25 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: ". You need to get licensed to hold human cells, you need all the paperwork to prove that the people the samples came from consented to every possible thing you might do with them (as does anyone who gets those samples from you) and god help you if someone sends in DNA that's not their own."
10:26 <@kanzure> "Avoid human genetic testing unless you're prepared for an ethical minefield;
10:26 <@kanzure> you can be on the hook for telling someone a truth they didn't want to hear.
10:26 <@kanzure> Even worse is when you learn something that you're not sure they do or do not
10:26 <@kanzure> want to hear, and even presenting the choice to them after the fact might be
10:26 <@kanzure> "distressing", and grounds for a legal case."
10:26 <@kanzure> yawn..
10:26 <@kanzure> i wish everything wasn't so disappointing.
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10:27 < bkero> citation needed for an actual conviction for distressing someone in this manner
10:27 <@kanzure> also, i can't figure out what this guy is talking about:
10:27 <@kanzure> https://github.com/openyou/emokit/commit/b023a3c195410147dae44a3ce3a6d72f7c16e441#commitcomment-3170140
10:28 <@kanzure> "What I mean is: ord(data[31]) >> 4 means the the top 4 bits in the byte are the 4 low bits of gyroX we are looking for: XXXX____."
10:28 <@kanzure> he is talking about the top 4 bits, but then is talking about the lower 4 bits.. i don't understand which one he is talking about.
10:28 < ielo> kanzure, how are you
10:28 <@kanzure> ielo: who are you?
10:29 < ielo> im just a random, i come here and mostly lurk for about 3 years, i read the things you say on this channel
10:29 < ielo> i used to use the nick lumos
10:30 < ParahSailin> didnt know the arsenic in rice came from arsenic in the manure of livestock fed arsenic
10:30 <@kanzure> i remember lumos was in here on 2011-06-25 writing lots of spam
10:30 <@kanzure> an elephant never forgets
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10:31 < ielo> kanzure did you check logs
10:31 <@kanzure> no
10:31 < ielo> or do you really remember that
10:31 < ielo> wow
10:31 <@kanzure> i stalk all spammers
10:31 <@kanzure> i have an intricate stalking system
10:31 < ielo> what was i spamming
10:31 <@kanzure> at the moment it has 65,997 entries
10:32 <@kanzure> oh, i don't actually care about that. i just know that i don't like you.
10:32 <@kanzure> and something about ngrams
10:32 < ielo> so you dislike me because i spammed once
10:32 <@kanzure> yep
10:33 <@kanzure> that is a very accurate statement
10:33 < ielo> thats kind of extreme
10:33 < ielo> i mean maybe i was spamming because i was anxious
10:33 < ielo> or because i needed help
10:33 <@kanzure> also because that conversation with fenn looked more like you bugging him; i have no idea what that was about.
10:34 <@kanzure> but in general you shouldn't assume that people will just not remember things
10:34 <@kanzure> oh wait that guy means 0x0F not 0xFF
10:34 <@kanzure> that makes way more sense
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10:59 < ParahSailin> lol http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-06-25.log
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11:03 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: ah i didn't even bother to check
11:03 <@kanzure> fenn: who is that
11:03 < ParahSailin> you remembered the date he said something without checking logs?
11:04 < delinquentme> i find it hard to believe we dont have crazy bitcoin kids here
11:05 < ParahSailin> there's a channel on this network for bitcoin i think, but i can't think of what it might be called
11:05 < ParahSailin> #notbitcoin perhaps?
11:06 < ParahSailin> no, that's not right, maybe #bitcoin
11:06 <@kanzure> delinquentme: they are all in #bitcoin and #bitcoin-dev
11:06 <@kanzure> crazy bitcoin people are pretty lame; they all the same ideas. "ASICS!!!"
11:06 <@kanzure> except they can't design sha-computing asics worth a damn.
11:07 <@kanzure> *they all have the same ideas
11:07 < ParahSailin> hey, its not like you need more than one person who can design an asic
11:07 <@kanzure> sure you do
11:07 <@kanzure> plus, your design can change significantly depending on what you are trying to do
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11:07 < ParahSailin> you need as many people as you have millions of dollars to commission an asic run on a foundry
11:08 <@kanzure> i.e.. cards that go into pci slots? something that goes on a custom power supply?
11:08 <@kanzure> no you don't need millions to do foundry runs for asics -_-
11:08 <@kanzure> you need about $3k
11:08 <@kanzure> wtf?
11:08 < ParahSailin> 5um process maybe
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11:10 <@kanzure> http://cmp.imag.fr/products/ic/
11:11 < ParahSailin> yeah im looking on there
11:11 <@kanzure> 130nm
11:11 <@kanzure> oh and smaller
11:12 <@kanzure> why are they using "mic" to mean "micron" wtf
11:12 <@kanzure> they use "nm" for "nanometer"
11:14 < delinquentme> OOO kanzure so this is a page talking about the fab which we can handle?
11:14 < delinquentme> derp I mean costs and feature sizes?
11:14 < delinquentme> I wonder what simple cell manipulations could be handled on-chip
11:17 < ParahSailin> their actual runs came out on the order of millions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95762.0
11:18 <@kanzure> oh, the butterflymonster people? yeah probably.
11:19 < ParahSailin> stuff isnt cheap
11:20 < ParahSailin> speculation on gate count https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108243.0
11:21 < ParahSailin> talkign 100 mm^2 dies
11:23 < ParahSailin> what is your spam stalking system?
11:30 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: http://quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/
11:31 < ParahSailin> ah, i remember meetlog
11:32 <@kanzure> eventually i will do a writeup of various types of results from this data
11:33 <@kanzure> i would say that the biggest value i regularly get out of it is detecting people that show up "once in a while", like someone from 2009 that talked with me about a particular subject only saying hello 4 years later, it's really handy.
11:36 < ParahSailin> how do you have it implemented
11:36 <@kanzure> giant yaml files then lots of python to dump the data into sqlite for querying
11:37 <@kanzure> yaml files are under version control
11:38 < ParahSailin> i mean what interface, you have desktop and mobile apps, or is it web based
11:39 <@kanzure> i used to have a gmail plugin, android app, and pidgin (im) plugin, but versions change and compatibility broke and i just stopped caring
11:39 <@kanzure> so i just put in entries by hand
11:40 <@kanzure> as in, i write yaml- mostly this means tags (what was talked about), comments/notes, names/identities/ip addresses/email addresses/phone numbers, how long (especially if it was a phone call)
11:41 <@kanzure> sometimes i include links that were exchanged or relevant, but i sort of don't because i already have a bookmarking system anyway...
11:42 < ParahSailin> i think i need a better "bookmarking" system
11:43 <@kanzure> pinboard.in is supposed to be okay
11:43 < ParahSailin> what do you use?
11:43 <@kanzure> flat files
11:44 < ParahSailin> tags and such per url?
11:44 <@kanzure> i used to use firefox's html format, then opera's bookmarking system until the file got corrupted (it was multiple megabytes and i guess it had a bug maybe), then i switched to not caring, then flat files and sprinkling url.txt files around on my hard drive to indicate where i got these files from.
11:44 <@kanzure> not even tags
11:45 < ParahSailin> taxonomy and titles per url?
11:45 <@kanzure> yeah there was an elaborate taxonomy. i think i stole most of it from superkuh.
11:45 <@kanzure> which is ironic because superkuh lost everything in the raid and asked for a copy.
11:46  * superkuh nods.
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11:46 < superkuh> I was very grateful for the backup.
11:46 <@kanzure> bookmarking sucks
11:47 < ParahSailin> you were probably faster than me getting to that cmp asic page, because my route getting to there was the google query to get to the stackoverflow page that i originally found the page through
11:47 < ParahSailin> i need a better system, but havent really gotten around to it, because i never seem to have a year to year stable machine
11:48 <@kanzure> the other problem with bookmarking is that pages go poof, so i was thinking (a few years ago) to just run everything through squid proxy to cache pages
11:48 <@kanzure> historio.us is supposed to do that, but it's really not built for people who have more than 10,000 bookmarks
11:50 <@kanzure> i think something like pinboard.in plus local backups plus local clients would possibly work, especially if i can add bookmarks from my shell with tags without having to mouse some gui things or load new web pages
11:50 <@kanzure> the problem with firefox's bookmark manager was that after a few thousand bookmarks it would become unbearably slow to search through
11:53 < superkuh> Opera's bookmark system simply fails after 10k.
11:53 < superkuh> The entire browser becomes unusable.
11:53 < ParahSailin> heh
11:53 < bkero> kanzure: You're hitting the limits of sqlite.
11:53 < bkero> You might have luck transitioning to a real database or use PICL.
11:53 < ParahSailin> that can't be the limits of sqlite
11:54 <@kanzure> bkero: that might have been before firefox was using sqlite for bookmarks
11:54 < ParahSailin> i've done ncbi taxonomy database on sqlite
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12:15 <@kanzure> also something that could be used in multiple browsers or from a phone would be nice, in case i have a lapse of judgement and want to use a different client
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12:20 < delinquentme> so for DNA nanomachine
12:20 < delinquentme> like sequence based ones
12:20 < delinquentme> we're putting in novel DNA ... the organisms is going to begin expressing that modification
12:21 < delinquentme> and the the "nanomachinery" part
12:21 < delinquentme> is handled strictly in translation
12:21 < delinquentme> JAR?!
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12:22 < delinquentme> also does anyone have a solid replacement for google reader?
12:22 <@kanzure> rss2email. kongregate.
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12:24 < superkuh> I use RSSOwl.
12:24 < delinquentme> url on kongregate? ... search is useless
12:24 <@kanzure> sudo apt-get install kongregate
12:24 < ParahSailin> kongregate sounds like kde something
12:24 <@kanzure> yep
12:27 < delinquentme> figuring out ways to amp brain power / spread is a real thing
12:28 < delinquentme> I think im starting to get the idea behind the CEO thing
12:28 < delinquentme> bc really I just want something that I can add more RSS feeds to which allowe me to read them on this android app press
12:28 <@kanzure> "CEO thing" ?
12:29 < delinquentme> yeah like the value that they can provide is best in managing people
12:30 < delinquentme> it (might ) be trending to less
12:30 < delinquentme> but like managing people effffff
12:30 < delinquentme> thick shit
12:30 <@kanzure> you are not completing your sentences again
12:30 < delinquentme> anyways I gotta relocate ... kanzure chat later on the hello world of dna nanofolding :P?
12:30 <@kanzure> take some time to type out what you actually mean to say
12:31 < delinquentme> kanzure, I mean to say that in noticing the need to amplify the spread of ones mental computational power ... its really awesome to pawn tasks off on other people
12:31 <@kanzure> but we were talking about rss
12:31 < delinquentme> but I wonder about that trend when code / computation / some shit like NN is incorporated
12:31 < delinquentme> :P
12:31 < ParahSailin> what can we task delinquentme to do
12:31 < delinquentme> yeah its what spurred the discussion :D
12:32 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, I wanna transfect and make purple moss
12:32 < delinquentme> how do
12:32 < delinquentme> ohhh damn.
12:32 < ParahSailin> no thats not your task
12:32 < delinquentme> a dogs pissing on my bike.
12:33 < delinquentme> OK TOODULS!
12:33 < delinquentme> off to feed le flesh boat
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12:33 < ParahSailin> off his meds i guess
12:33 <@kanzure> i have no idea what that guy is talking about
12:33 <@kanzure> ceo of dna nano rss folding
12:38 <@kanzure> "In addition to the free features listed above, Pinboard offers a bookmark archiving service for an annual fee of $25. The site will crawl and store a copy of every bookmark in your account, and display a special icon you can click to see the cached copy:"
12:39 <@kanzure> hmmm.
12:40 <@kanzure> this seems to only do searching https://github.com/badboy/pinboard-cli
12:43 <@kanzure> ah i guess i could write a suitable tool around https://github.com/mgan59/python-pinboard/blob/master/pinboard.py
12:43 < brownies> what are you trying to do kanzure?
12:43 <@kanzure> but "You can set up Pinboard to automatically sync your links from a number of outside services, including Pocket, Delicious, Twitter, Readability and Instapaper." why not just sync to my browser?
12:43 < superkuh> Create a local cache/mirror of bookmarks.
12:44 < superkuh> (+he is trying to)
12:44 <@kanzure> i'm okay with using a third-party service as long as it also stores a local copy. also i don't understand why it wouldn't have a hook into firefox or chrome or whatever.
12:44 <@kanzure> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_Sync
12:45 < brownies> sync to your browser?
12:45 < brownies> they have a bookmarklet, if that's what you mean
12:45 <@kanzure> no. that is not syncing.
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12:46 <@kanzure> i suppose browser sync isn't that important. i really just need a shell command.
12:47 <@kanzure> ideally the command line syntax would be something like "url https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Firefox_Sync mozilla firefox firefox-sync documentation mdn bookmarking"
12:48 <@kanzure> and then it would fetch a copy and get the <title> or <meta name="description">
12:49 <@kanzure> oh also it should be able to detect a taxonomy like "url http://.... mozilla firefox firefox-sync browsers.firefox.sync" so that i don't have to manually bookmark multiple times into different categories (because, to be honest, i don't completely trust tagging)
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13:09 <@kanzure> 12:33 <delinquentme> hey just realized i dont have your ... if you want me to have your contact info :P
13:09 <@kanzure> erm.. i edited that wrong
13:09 <@kanzure> 12:33 <delinquentme> hey just realized i dont have your #... if you want me to have your contact info :P
13:09 <@kanzure> how is that possible. it's on every one of my emails for the past 9 years.
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13:24 < ParahSailin> i think delinquent's credit for a single useful act has run dry
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14:32 < superkuh> paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/769/2/96/pdf/0004-637X_769_2_96.pdf
14:32 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/50bdf6f975a24991460e893c1c6c25ba.txt
14:33 < superkuh> paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/769/2/96
14:33 < paperbot> HTTP 403 http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/769/2/96/pdf/0004-637X_769_2_96.pdf
14:33 <@kanzure> hmph.
14:36 < superkuh> It was on axiv anyway.
14:36 < superkuh> Er, arxiv.
14:36 < superkuh> I forgot to check.
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18:06 < ParahSail1n> interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22355515
18:06 < ParahSail1n> paperbot, http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/04/24/1301474110.abstract
18:06 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ash%20from%20the%20Toba%20supereruption%20in%20Lake%20Malawi%20shows%20no%20volcanic%20winter%20in%20East%20Africa%20at%2075%20ka.pdf
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18:35 <@kanzure> heh two-factor authentication phishing attacks
18:37 <@kanzure> http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/167719/whyfromnigeria.pdf
18:38 <@kanzure> http://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt.html assange/schmidt interview
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19:15 < ParahSail1n> jmil, you do any molecular work?
19:15 < jmil> sure, what kind you looking for? i also do hydrogel molecular engineering
19:16 < ParahSail1n> is a nanodrop going to be part of your startup grant equipment spending?
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20:05 < ParahSail1n> paperbot, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Determine_Quantity.cfm?nber_id=w18992
20:05 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f89618126a0b44f2116d90403e300ddc.txt
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21:08 < klafka> man i wonder how much longer till good cheap 3d printers become available
21:10 < klafka> do they have neon filament colors yet
21:10 < klafka> or uv reactive ones
21:13 < klafka> yes there is
21:13 < klafka> awesome
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21:42 < pasky> klafka: alternatively, how long till cheap 3d printers become good ;)
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21:42 < klafka> well you could say there are no cheap 3d printers
21:42 < pasky> so what's cheap?
21:44 < klafka> 100 bucks!
21:45 < bkero> You could make one for 100 bucks
21:45 < bkero> if you put effort into it
21:46 < bkero> 3d printed parts are ~ $40 in material if you find someone generous enough to print some for you, then $60 in electronics/non-printable hardware
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