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08:57 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0093775402700651
08:57 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Role%20of%20angiogenesis%20in%20tumor%20growth%20and%20metastasis%20.txt
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09:42 <@kanzure> "This is how Phil Zimmerman defeated export controls in the first place with PGP. He developed the code outside of the U.S. (where it was legal), printed books containing it (one of the best-protected free speech rights), imported the book to the U.S. (so that he's not trafficking in "munitions"), scanned in the code in the U.S., and formed a PGP in the U.S."
09:42 <@kanzure> i was not aware he wrote the software while outside the united states
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10:49 <@kanzure> .title http://blog.priceonomics.com/post/50096804256/why-is-science-behind-a-paywall
10:49 < yoleaux> Why is Science Behind a Paywall?
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11:13 <@kanzure> nasa technical reports server seems to be online again? http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp
11:14 <@kanzure> oh is it "gutted" ?
11:14 <@kanzure> "Meanwhile NTRS is apparently back online - for now. According to NASA sources, based on an analysis of the NTRS collection before it was taken offline and now brought back online, it is apparent that over a quarter of a million full-text NASA reports are no longer in NTRS. This missing set of data represents a full 85% of the NASA full-text reports. In addition, only 7% of the historical (but still technically relevant) NACA collection ...
11:14 <@kanzure> ... remains online (only about 1,000 of the roughly 14,000 that comprise the NACA collection)."
11:14 < superkuh> Bastards.
11:15 < superkuh> They daily RSS feeds agree with that statement.
11:15 < superkuh> Decimated.
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11:37 <@kanzure> superkuh: i feel silly for not having mirrored that content.
11:37 <@kanzure> i mean, i have been grabbing copies of basically everything else, and i didn't include NTRS in my list of targets because ???
11:42 <@kanzure> what percent of published science/engineering was NTRS?
11:42 <@kanzure> i usually estimate science at about 50 million papers
11:43 <@kanzure> i think NTRS was maybe 2 million documents? so 4% of science?
11:45 < superkuh> "<Black_Phoenix> superkuh, I estimate it to be about 20,000 pdf files"
11:45 < superkuh> "<Black_Phoenix> about 20 GB in size"
11:45 <@kanzure> the current size?
11:46 <@kanzure> i think it's much larger than 20,000 documents.
11:47 <@kanzure> "The NTRS provides access to NASA's current and historical technical literature and engineering results.  Over 500,000 aerospace-related citations, over 200,000 full-text online documents, and over 500,000 images and videos are available.  NTRS content continues to grow as new information is created for or funded by NASA."
11:47 < superkuh> "<Black_Phoenix> I mirrored the other 3 TRS (dryden, jsc, jpl), took me an hour"
11:47 < superkuh> This is going on in #space if you care to ask directly.
11:47 <@kanzure> maybe he was just blocked after 20 GB
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11:48 <@kanzure> i would find it hard to believe that NTRS is just 20 GB of data...
11:48 <@kanzure> old NTRS had to be much more than 20 GB and new NTRS is probably still larger than 20 GB.
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12:26 < archels`> .title http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22478364
12:26 < yoleaux> BBC News - ISS: Space station's cooling system leaking ammonia
12:26 < archels`> so it seems that while being up in space, you're constantly being bombarded by bullet and cannonball type objects
12:28 <@kanzure> do you consider photons to be cannonballs
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12:31 < archels`> no, I was referring to asteroids and space debris
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14:10 < archels`> .title http://psas.pdx.edu/
14:10 < yoleaux> Portland State Aerospace Society
14:12 <@kanzure> don't worry we have infiltrated that group already
14:12 <@kanzure> me complaining about science things: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5687488
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16:07 <@kanzure> i will probably regret this, but i organized a hackathon http://hax.iimarck.us/post/24741/
16:07 <@kanzure> for pokemon rom hacking things
16:08 <@kanzure> chido: you might be interested?
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16:19 < a3nm> hi, just testing...
16:19 < a3nm> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0004370212001026?np=y
16:19 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Towards%20more%20expressive%20ontology%20languages%3A%20The%20query%20answering%20problem%20.txt
16:19 <@kanzure> nope no access on that one
16:19 < a3nm> kanzure: what's the criterion?
16:20 < a3nm> (i have access to this one, just wanted to test, don't bother trying to fetch it)
16:20 <@kanzure> paperbot has limited access. it needs more passwords.
16:21 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
16:21 < a3nm> (yeah, that's how i got here)
16:21 <@kanzure> patches are welcomed :)
16:21 <@kanzure> there's a lot of bullshit code that could just be deleted
16:22 < a3nm> TODO says "It would be nice to use multiple proxies to resolve a pdf request."
16:22 < a3nm> right now it's just using one connection and some passwords?
16:22 <@kanzure> heh
16:22 <@kanzure> i would rather not say
16:22 < a3nm> haha no problem ;)
16:32 <@kanzure> a3nm: also, hi
16:33 < a3nm> yeah, hi :)
16:34 < a3nm> sorry if I was a bit hasty, I just wanted to test this out
16:37 < a3nm> i'll be going to bed though, good night and thanks for your help!
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16:53 < superkuh> kanzure, if case you didn't see it in #space, http://nasawatch.com/archives/2013/05/ntrs-is-back-on.html "the Aerospace Research Information Center in South Korea. Do a few searches and you will see all sorts of NTRS material is hosted there." http://www.aric.or.kr/
16:54 <@kanzure> are we sure that it is a complete mirror?
16:54 < superkuh> I am sure it isn't.
16:55 <@kanzure> i would be happy if it's a 90-95% mirror or something, but if it's a mirror of the current 15% i dunno.
16:55 <@kanzure> 15% is better than nothing i guess.
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18:41 < kanzure_> what?
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21:53 < ParahSailin> paperbot, http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/04/26/1218453110.full.pdf+html
21:53 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Political%20ideology%20affects%20energy-efficiency%20attitudes%20and%20choices.pdf
21:54 < kanzure> is this the one where people will go out of their way to not recycle because fuck recycling?
21:54 < ParahSailin> yeah
21:56 < ParahSailin> "When the bulbs were the same price, the content
21:56 < ParahSailin>  of the label had no effect"
21:57 < ParahSailin> i saw this reported quite differently in some places...
21:57 < kanzure> me too
21:58 < ParahSailin> it was only when the price of the cfl was 3x higher that the label had an effect
22:06 < ParahSailin> paywalls significantly amplify the shittiness of science journalism-- this was a pretty exceptional case in that the national geographic secondary source actually gave a valid hyperlink to the abstract
22:06 < ParahSailin> of course the blogosphere mob did not link that, because theyre'd be no point as nobody can actually view it
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22:15 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you evangelion 2.0?
22:15 < delinquentme> know what the name of the fifth pilot is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqvBIngma0M
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22:17 < kanzure> no i actually really dislike evangelion things
22:17 < kanzure> what a whiny bitch, he's given this giant robot mecha and all he can do is complain about his existential crises.
22:31 < delinquentme> haha
22:31 < delinquentme> yeah shinji is interesting
22:31 < delinquentme> but this chick?
22:31 < delinquentme> MARI?
22:31 < delinquentme> oh fml. wants.
22:31 < kanzure> haven't seen the movie. just the anime. didn't like.
22:32 < delinquentme> take 5 minutes to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqvBIngma0M&hd=1
22:32 < delinquentme> beautiful rage
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