--- Log opened Sat May 25 00:00:36 2013 00:02 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:03 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:25 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:00 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:05 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:11 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:59 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:09 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:19 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:36 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-128.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n3/abs/nphys1513.html 05:06 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n3/pdf/nphys1513.pdf 05:09 < nmz787> paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0960-1317/22/8/085008/article 05:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Fabrication%20of%20micro%20pneumatic%20valves%20with%20double-layer%20elastic%20poly%28dimethylsiloxane%29%20membranes%20in%20rigid%20poly%28methyl%20methacrylate%29%20microfluidic%20chips.pdf 05:42 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:47 < JayDugger> Good morning, paperbot. 07:42 -!- SphericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:42 < SphericalMouse> nmz787 07:56 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:03 -!- SphericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:11 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:57 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:57 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 09:03 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:10 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:42 < heath> morning JayDugger 09:47 < Urchin[emacs]> nanoengineer is hosted on sourceforge, right? 09:49 < Urchin[emacs]> wait 09:49 < Urchin[emacs]> found it 11:02 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:08 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- kmo [~kmo@dds204.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- kmo [~kmo@dds204.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Changing host] 11:11 -!- kmo [~kmo@unaffiliated/kmo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39 -!- kmo [~kmo@unaffiliated/kmo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:56 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:29 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 < kanzure> Urchin[emacs]: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer 12:37 < kanzure> not sourceforge 12:38 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:42 < Urchin[emacs]> I figgured it out a while ago 12:49 -!- zubaz_ is now known as zubaz 12:49 -!- zubaz [~hexane@24.229.127.72] has quit [Changing host] 12:49 -!- zubaz [~hexane@unaffiliated/zubaz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:54 -!- brownies [~brownies@unaffiliated/brownies] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:55 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-125-109.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-125-109.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:55 -!- brownies [~brownies@184.106.201.58] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- brownies [~brownies@184.106.201.58] has quit [Changing host] 12:55 -!- brownies [~brownies@unaffiliated/brownies] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-125-109.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:56 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:26 < kanzure> mailman archive viewer https://github.com/hyperkitty/hyperkitty 13:31 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:55 < kanzure> interesting use of phantomjs to show which css rules are applying where http://css.benjaminbenben.com/v1?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle.com 13:57 < kanzure> http://benjaminbenben.com/2013/05/09/wtcss/ 13:59 < kanzure> https://gist.github.com/benfoxall/5647039 "// Client script to find all the styles of a page and compute the position of the matching elements" 14:00 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:04 < Adifex> hm. could help debugging sites for IE, curse microsoft 14:13 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:15 -!- SphericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:16 < SphericalMouse> toot toot 14:24 -!- SphericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:27 < nmz787> :( 14:29 -!- SPhericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:29 < SPhericalMouse> yes? 14:35 < nmz787> hey 14:35 < nmz787> "Do you mean what the pressure would be directly under the valve in the fluid channels?" 14:36 < nmz787> yes 14:36 < nmz787> you said 15-25 PSID, so I imagine that measurement is taken at some pressure gauge at the end of a pneumatic control line 14:36 < SPhericalMouse> so you're basically asking how hard somthing laying in the channel would be pressed on by the valve membrane? 14:37 < nmz787> yeah 14:37 < SPhericalMouse> yes, 15-25 is what the regulator is set to, but because the valve system is dead ended, the whole thing reaches that pressure 14:37 < nmz787> but I guess it might be 15-25 as well 14:38 < SPhericalMouse> the valve will provide some back force. if you slowly turn up the pressure from zero, you won't see valve operation till some point 14:38 < nmz787> have you seen or think it would work to just push a 0.5 t 1 mm rod on the channel? 14:38 < nmz787> 0.5 to 1mm 14:38 < SPhericalMouse> also, the fluid lines may be driven at 1-10 PSI, so you sometimes have to increase the valve pressure to compensate 14:39 < nmz787> otherwise i was thinking connecting a small piston to a small solenoid, and have one of them per valve 14:39 < SPhericalMouse> it depends, that has been suggested a fair numer of times, but it depends what you are trying to do 14:39 < nmz787> the piston acting to compress the air in the pneumatic line 14:39 < SPhericalMouse> so, the pneumatic line actually has water in it 14:40 < fenn> also known as a hydraulic line! 14:40 < nmz787> ahh 14:40 < SPhericalMouse> air will basically leak through the pdms and inject bubbles into the flow lines 14:40 < nmz787> hmm 14:40 < SPhericalMouse> really annoying 14:40 < SPhericalMouse> the flipside is that it makes filling the control lines with water fairly simple 14:40 < nmz787> i assume you can use any fluidi that won't swell the PDMS 14:41 < SPhericalMouse> probably. water works fine 14:41 < nmz787> like DNA synthesis doesn't like water 14:41 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:41 < nmz787> and since water will permeate through PDMS 14:41 < nmz787> ... 14:42 < SPhericalMouse> maybe., not sure the flow rate though 14:42 < nmz787> kanzure: where can I go to chat about JTAG intefaces and poking at unknown devices through JTAG? 14:42 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:42 < SPhericalMouse> i'm pretty sure dna synthesis in pdms has been done, so look up what they did 14:42 < nmz787> yeah 14:43 < nmz787> i've got a few papers with their recipes 14:43 < SPhericalMouse> i would avoid the direct piston valve if possible 14:43 < nmz787> why> 14:43 < nmz787> seems like it could be the cheapest route per valve 14:43 < SPhericalMouse> alignment and visibility and size 14:43 < SPhericalMouse> maybe, but it isn't scalable to a large number of valves 14:43 < nmz787> oh, I thought you meant hydraulic piston 14:44 < SPhericalMouse> i'm talking about any off chip system that pokes down and closes a channel 14:44 < nmz787> basically I figure I only need high/low settings, so the exact pressure hydraulic piston to hydraulic piston wouldn't matter, my thinking is that the different solenoids wouldn't be calibrated relative to one another 14:45 < nmz787> though calibrating them might not be so hard 14:45 < nmz787> i imagine it would produce current vs pressure 14:46 < nmz787> hmm, but then the length of the control line would be variable 14:46 < nmz787> so different amounts of current would be required for the same pressure 14:46 < nmz787> have you ever seen people calibrate things with droplet makers? 14:46 < SPhericalMouse> no 14:46 < nmz787> and checking the size or distance between droplets? 14:47 < fenn> you will get the same pressure regardless of line length, since the area of the piston remains constant 14:47 < fenn> line length mainly manifests itself as flow resistance 14:47 < nmz787> fenn: but won't the distance the solenoid pushes need to be longer? 14:47 < nmz787> hmm 14:47 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48 < fenn> also line elasticity 14:49 < SPhericalMouse> i think it depends on the size of your channels, and how close you want your valves to be 14:49 < SPhericalMouse> and how many valves you want 14:50 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:50 < nmz787> you mean running multiple valves off of one control line? 14:50 < SPhericalMouse> thats part of it 14:52 < nmz787> theres a company that is trying to sell this bubble forming technology to cell phone screen suppliers 14:52 < SPhericalMouse> often valve placement is critical. for example if you have a t junctions, you may want a valve on each line, often with the valve right up against the intersection to limit dead/slow volumes 14:52 < fenn> in the case of multiple valves, your actuator piston will have a larger area and thus the pressure needs to be higher to achieve the same force per valve 14:52 < nmz787> basically there's some pneumatic logic that they can pump air into an addressable location 14:53 < fenn> erm. i said that wrong. the flow needs to be higher 14:54 < fenn> is it addressable? i thought they just made bumps so you could feel where the buttons are 14:54 < fenn> not a true tactile interface, just a button-raiser 14:55 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:55 < nmz787> yeah, bu tthey could raise them seelctably 14:55 < nmz787> they didn't sense a button press if that's what you mean 14:55 < fenn> i mean they either raise all the buttons or none of the buttons 14:55 < nmz787> that was still the capacitive layer did 14:56 < nmz787> that's not what the product note seemed to make me think 14:56 < fenn> well anyway, demuxing is entirely possible in microfluidics 15:00 < nmz787> i thought latching has a bleed down time 15:00 < nmz787> or rather, i thought that would be a limitation 15:01 < nmz787> http://www.tactustechnology.com/technology.html 15:01 < nmz787> so if their tech is 'custom' and not addressable, I wonder how they're pumping the air anyway 15:01 < nmz787> "Minimal power consumption" 15:28 < fenn> "Flickr are now offering 1 terabyte of free storage to all users... and it gave me pause for thought that it is only 9 years since GMail was launched (actually only 6 since the general public could sign up) and one of its big main selling points, which I remember being very impressed by at the time, was 1 gigabyte of free online space. Easy to be blasé about stuff like that, but for me it's 15:28 < fenn> another singularity indicator (TM)" 15:38 -!- SPhericalMouse [62cfd610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.214.16] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:43 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-128.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:01 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-125-109.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Adifex] 16:33 -!- pwang_ [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49 < fenn> am i the only one who thinks "driverless car" sounds like "horseless carriage"? 16:53 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2013/lc/c3lc40991k 16:53 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Label-free%20biodetection%20using%20a%20smartphone.pdf 16:53 < nmz787> fenn: but the horse didn't drive the carriage, there was still the driver 16:53 < nmz787> or coachmen or whatever 16:54 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@99-25-200-252.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@99-25-200-252.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:54 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:56 -!- ParahSail1n [~pwang@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:18 < kanzure> nmz787: ##electronics has JTAG-knowing people, i guess 17:19 < fenn> I checked my University quota. It's 20 gigabytes. According to amazon, a 3 TB hard drive costs 194 USD. That means the school is providing me with about 1.30 USD in storage. 17:20 < kanzure> yes, online storage is extremely behind 17:21 < kanzure> supposedly this is because providers (like dropbox, amazon aws s3, etc.) are making sure they have redundancy, backups and mirrors of your data 17:21 < fenn> i think it's more about the cost of the bandwidth 17:21 < kanzure> if that was true, they would let you just ship hard drives in for free, and they don't 17:21 < fenn> or bandwidth*time, however you say that 17:22 < fenn> how much does amazon charge per TB? 17:23 < kanzure> http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html 17:23 < kanzure> choose "S3" on the left 17:23 < kanzure> $94.53/TB-month 17:23 < kanzure> erm, i was using 1000 GB. for 1024 GB it's $96.81/TB-month. 17:24 < fenn> hm that's like buying a new hard drive every month 17:24 < kanzure> yes 17:30 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41 < nmz787> i just saw a 1 TB for $60 or $65 17:41 < nmz787> drive 17:41 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 -!- WinterIsComing [~textual@pool-108-11-52-184.atclnj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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