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08:06 < kanzure> i think gwern might be using the word anonymity set wrong in http://www.gwern.net/Death%20Note%20Anonymity
08:06 < kanzure> *the term
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08:12 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d46b943e Bryan Bishop: links for portlab
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08:31 < kanzure> someone put openscad through emscripten http://www.fabfabbers.com/openscad/ but i'm not sure how this works. i thought openscad had a bunch of dependencies on CGAL and qt or something.
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09:13 < JayDugger> Diplomatic cover (I think) refers to a intelligence agent assigned to an embassy in some other capacity.
09:14 < JayDugger> I.e., you don't show up at the black tie soirée passing out your NSA/DIA/CIA/TLA business card.
09:15 < JayDugger> It also provides a measure of diplomatic immunity if caught, as that fellow in Moscow got caught earlier this month.
09:16 < JayDugger> You most likely get declared persona non grata and expelled from the host nation.
09:18 < JayDugger> So I'm told, mostly by reading espionage novels. YMMV.
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09:20 < ParahSailin> the last ringbearer is my favorite spy novel
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09:30 < JayDugger> Ah...wasn't that a fantasy novel? A Tolkien homage?
09:32 < JayDugger> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer
09:32 < JayDugger> I think of that one.
09:43 < ParahSailin> yeah
09:43 < ParahSailin> spy novel set in middle earth
09:47 < JayDugger> I only read the first few chapters in translation.
09:48 < JayDugger> Wasn't there a similar Russian novel, the Silmarillion told from Morgoth's point of view? The Black Book of Barda?
09:50 < JayDugger> Never mind...Black Book of Arda. https://sites.google.com/site/theblackbookofarda/book
09:51 < ParahSailin> well everyone knows beren and luthien is just a story men tell
09:52 < ParahSailin> elves associating with humans would be like a grownup with a child having an adult body
09:57 < nmz787_> can someone help me through what this NPN circuit is doing centered on Q1 on pg 3 of this http://www.parallaxsemiconductor.com/sites/default/files/parallax/P8X32AQuickStartSchematicRevA_2.pdf
09:57 < nmz787_> i think it's trying to pull RESn to ground (to perform a CPU reset)
09:58 < nmz787_> I've plugged it into some online circuit simulators and they don't give me good results when I drive the polarized cap with a 1hz 0 to 6 volt square wave
09:59 < nmz787_> tried connecting RESn to gnd or 3V (in the simulator)
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12:28 < ParahSailin> "Agreed. My opinion is that calling the Glowing Plant project a "community" project, however potentially misleading, was a critical factor in its success. Biocurious' reputation was critical: I feel some recognition and support is due in return.
12:28 < ParahSailin> mistake here is thinking the mba doing the glowing plant crap is ethical
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12:35 < kanzure> i think they called it a "community project" because biocurious lets anyone setup a "community project" and use their facilities. so there were regular meetings of some people, and then they posted that project on kickstarter, and then biocurious is like "say whaat, you didn't even ask us if we would approve work on this sort of project".
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12:35 < kanzure> "SynBioBeta is organizing a DIYBio Hangout tomorrow, with Mac, Cathal, Raymond, Ellen from Genspace, and Katriona Guthrie-Honea from the new HiveBio It's not clear to me whether this is an open hangout, or essentially just a live recorded conversation between a few selected guests. Either way - might be worth tuning in..." http://synbiobeta.com/podcasts
12:36 < kanzure> yeah because fuck irc?
12:36 < kanzure> i guess ellen would never be caught dead in here
12:37 < ParahSailin> too late now, dude cashed his half mil
12:37 < ParahSailin> i hope the jobsact wefunder shit happens soon
12:37 < kanzure> what do you mean "too late"? i think he is owed the money he collected by the rules of the game.
12:38 < ParahSailin> maybe itll reduce the frequency of scammy kickstarters
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12:38 < ParahSailin> deloitte scumbag owes biocurious?
12:43 < kanzure> ParahSailin: want some recruiter spam?
12:45 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I don't know.
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12:47 < ParahSailin> who doesnt want recruiter spam
12:48 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i dunno, you keep talking about how awful the haskell poop is at the big E
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12:48 < delinquentme> https://www.wepay.com/donations/oakland-community-mesh-network?utm_campaign=shops&utm_medium=link&utm_source=facebook&ref=bGluazo3MDU2NDgwOg==
12:49 < kanzure> utm_source=facebook haha you use facebook
12:49 < ParahSailin> pass on the recruiter spam, i need to get a free plane ride to bay area mid julyish
12:50 < kanzure> pft that's like $50 for a one-way.. getting that free doesn't seem that useful?
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12:51 < ParahSailin> its really that cheap these days?
12:52 < kanzure> eh it might be $10 more
12:52 < kanzure> but that's only to SF. other destinations seem to be more.
12:52 < gradstudentbot> I remember the paper, I just don't remember the details.
12:53 < kanzure> curious, i wonder if the bot is only talking when i talk.
12:54 < kanzure> ah no, he said something to diginet the other day.
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13:10 < brownies> i thought he only spoke when spoken to, like a good gradstudentbot ?
13:10 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, but his project was so easy.
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13:17 < kanzure> brownies: he ponders things relentlessly and sometimes writes down his conclusions.
13:19 < kanzure> nice, jordan miller just updated his job title to 'assistant professor, bioengineering, rice university'
13:20 < brownies> is that jmil?
13:21 < kanzure> yes
13:26 < ParahSailin> gradstudentbot:
13:26 < gradstudentbot> That's definitely a Nature paper.
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15:17 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0032063313001116
15:17 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/New%20evidence%20of%20meteoritic%20origin%20of%20the%20Tunguska%20cosmic%20body.txt
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18:46 < delinquentme> Juul, You're part of this 2k fund for the oakland meshne right??
18:46 < delinquentme> I was a fundraiser for it
18:46 < kanzure> you were a fundraiser, you say?
18:46 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: is that possible?
18:46 < gradstudentbot> I don't think our fume hood is safe.
18:47 < kanzure> fascinating
18:48 < delinquentme> saw***
18:57 < brownies> what's a meshne?
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18:59 < alusion> Any of you going to GF2045
18:59 < brownies> gradstudentbot: are you going?
18:59 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I don't know.
18:59 < brownies> i swear this kid could pass the Turing test
19:00 < kanzure> most grad students do
19:00 < brownies> even though he's not nearly as useful as yoleaux
19:00 < brownies> .meow
19:00 < yoleaux> http://moar.edgecats.net/cats/tumblr_m7826eejVA1rqz8qx.gif
19:02 < alusion> kanzure
19:02 < alusion> Are you going to Global Future 2045 conference
19:02 < kanzure> what do you want?
19:02 < kanzure> no
19:02 < alusion> internation congress*
19:02 < alusion> Eh
19:02 < alusion> do you know what it is
19:02 < kanzure> it's probably that silly russia-2045 thing
19:02 < alusion> It's right up your alley playboy.
19:03 < alusion> Yeah
19:03 < kanzure> no thanks
19:03 < alusion> Well it's gunna be in NY this weekend
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19:03 < alusion> Alright
19:04 < bkero> 2045? Oh man this is transhumanist to an XXXTREME
19:04 < alusion> http://2045.com/about
19:04 < delinquentme> ^^
19:04 < kanzure> i am not interested in that group
19:04 < kanzure> the origins of the 2045 marketing campaign is someone who is extremely untalented and uninteresting
19:05 < kanzure> i doubt he has anything original or useful to help me with
19:05 < alusion> "Marketing campaign"
19:05 < kanzure> yes, it was originally a marketing campaign
19:05 < bkero> kanzure: do you share similar goals or interests?
19:05 < alusion> What is a better initiative?
19:05 < kanzure> RTM was extremely annoyed about them
19:05 < kanzure> fuck initiatives
19:05 < kanzure> *about him
19:06 < alusion> You realize majority of people are completely unaware of the exponential times we live in right
19:06 < kanzure> i don't care
19:06 < alusion> You're so edgy lol
19:06 < kanzure> i promise you, i really don't care if you are unaware of me
19:06 < kanzure> or anyone else for that matter
19:06 < bkero> That's so postmodern of you. :P
19:06 < kanzure> what?
19:06 < bkero> Feeling particularly misanthropic tonight?
19:06 < bkero> (not caring)
19:06 < kanzure> no?
19:07 < bkero> Just careless jibs.
19:07 < kanzure> if you have some evidence about this campaign that i am not aware of, feel free to submit the evidence to me
19:07 < kanzure> instead of being passive aggressive about it
19:07 < kanzure> i have already given you specific evidence for why you shouldn't waste money on 2045.ru
19:07 < bkero> This is actually the first I've heard of it. Don't really care about them.
19:07 < kanzure> if you want to refuit it, you should do that instead of calling me misanthropic
19:07 < kanzure> *refute
19:08 < alusion> You could leverage the event to heighten the conversation level with certain collegues and acquiantences.
19:08 < kanzure> alusion: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration lists out some projects you can work on if you are interested in transhumanism
19:08 < kanzure> alusion: nope, false!
19:08 < kanzure> alusion: i have been to many transhumanist conferences and that has never been the case
19:08 < alusion> People don't have time to read books
19:08 < alusion> It's a 2 day brain dump
19:08 < kanzure> i have also specifically documented everyone i have ever met at any conference
19:08 < kanzure> and relentlessly stalked all of them
19:08 < alusion> Which one is worth your mention.
19:08 < kanzure> http://quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/
19:08 < kanzure> none of the conferences are useful
19:09 < kanzure> some of the hackathons are fun, but people are assholes and think you need to be in person to work on projects (which turns out to be false)
19:10 < kanzure> books aren't how you make transhumanist projects happen
19:10 < kanzure> and whoever told you that is wrong
19:10 < alusion> This is really interesting. Thanks for the link.
19:10 < alusion> I'm wondering if you had a mostly privileged life.
19:11 < kanzure> nope. mostly boring life.
19:11 < bkero> That's not what he asked though.
19:11 < bkero> (or wondered)
19:11 < kanzure> went to school. dropped out. worked. lots of working.
19:11 < alusion> Are you satisfied with the resources available on hand to you now?
19:11 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I read the paper, I just don't remember the details.
19:11 < kanzure> yes, i am satisfied
19:12 < kanzure> again if you have specific evidence that conferences are useful, let's fucking see it :)
19:12 < kanzure> here's my evidence:
19:12 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/
19:12 < alusion> They allow you to take a step back from the picture
19:12 < kanzure> admittedly i could have done better with other conferences
19:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/hplus-summit-2010/
19:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/humanityplus-at-caltech/
19:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/
19:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/open-science-summit-2011/
19:13 < gradstudentbot> If I break my arm, do I still have to present tomorrow?
19:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/
19:13 < kanzure> (last one not as relevant i guess. but startup science was organized by jojack, a transhumanist who tends to pull other transhumanists into his conferences.)
19:15 < kanzure> i would also like to point out that almost all "popular science" books on "transhumanism" tend to be scientifically unhelpful, including TSiN, aubrey's stuff (although his published papers are better), etc.
19:15 < alusion> You're a blazing fast typer. I'm outside on a thinkpad. I can understand what you mean, sometimes the conversation can be watered down so that it may not fly over everyone's head.
19:15 < kanzure> if you could identify what is flying over your head, i could probably explain
19:15 < alusion> I mean for other people.
19:16 < alusion> You could prob explain but what if you were working with people who hadn't a clue?
19:16 < kanzure> but i'm not working with people who don't have a clue
19:16 < kanzure> the vast majority of individuals in here are highly clueful
19:16 < alusion> You are supposed to invite other people to the events so that they can keep pace.
19:16 < kanzure> why?
19:16 < alusion> seems like you got your financial resources locked in.
19:16 < alusion> I don't, yet.
19:16 < kanzure> i work and i get paid for my work, big deal. no magic formula.
19:16 < alusion> My leaders and current executives aren't aware of the world we are stepping into.
19:17 < alusion> I don't get paid yet, I take leaps of faith. Entrepreneurship
19:17 < kanzure> your "leaders"?
19:17 < bkero> kanzure: You're no longer at UT:A I take it
19:17 < alusion> I mean like, in my state.
19:17 < kanzure> if you are an entrepreneur why do you have leaders?
19:17 < kanzure> bkero: i dropped out after the second semester, fuck that :)
19:17 < kanzure> alusion: ah, well, i don't think you should slow yourself down like that. that seems highly unuseful.
19:18 < bkero> kanzure: I figured something like that, but I figured you were working at a lab on campus.
19:18 < kanzure> i was working 3 labs during those 2 semesters
19:18 < kanzure> this is how i was able to publish some papers
19:18 < bkero> Nice, any primaries?
19:18 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: weren't you a coauthor on one of those papers?
19:18 < gradstudentbot> Nobody is even going to read this paper.
19:18 < bkero> lol
19:18 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: but the article will be great!
19:18 < gradstudentbot> It was in Science last month.
19:18 < kanzure> bkero: nah
19:18 < bkero> gradstudentbot: did you read my paper?
19:18 < gradstudentbot> Where did you put the revisions to the paper?
19:19 < bkero> gradstudentbot won't talk to me :(
19:19 < gradstudentbot> Future work will focus on that.
19:19 < alusion> kanzure, do you publish any of your work?
19:19 < bkero> gradstudentbot, more like snarkbot
19:19 < gradstudentbot> Wasn't there a paper about that?
19:19 < kanzure> alusion: https://github.com/kanzure?tab=repositories http://diyhpl.us/cgit
19:20 < bkero> kanzure: do any journals allow public domain submission yet?
19:20 < kanzure> oh, probably... hm.
19:20 < kanzure> plos one?
19:20 < bkero> I'd believe that
19:21 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:21 < gradstudentbot> Someone stole my pipette.
19:21 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:21 < gradstudentbot> I need to send that abstract.
19:21 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:21 < gradstudentbot> The protocol is wrong.
19:21 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:21 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it should take me about 2 days.
19:21 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:21 < gradstudentbot> You know, I can just do consulting.
19:22 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:22 < gradstudentbot> If I write this paper, then maybe I can use that as my thesis?
19:22 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:22 < gradstudentbot> I have to order new primers.
19:22 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:22 < gradstudentbot> My project sucks.
19:22 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:22 < gradstudentbot> My project sucks.
19:22 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:22 < gradstudentbot> Someone's sitting at my bench space.
19:22 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
19:22 < gradstudentbot> I hear you make more money being a garbage man.
19:24 < alusion> This is the first time I heard of the National Fab Lab Network Act
19:24 < kanzure> it got tanked
19:24 < kanzure> that file is old
19:24 < alusion> Anything else in the works?
19:25 < kanzure> i think http://diyhpl.us/cgit is a good overview
19:25 < kanzure> there are things like https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer#readme that you could work on
19:25 < kanzure> or even http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-v1.pdf things
19:26 < kanzure> oops i mean http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf
19:26 < kanzure> of course, there are more generic tools like https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot and https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia that are critical (but not explicitly related to transhumanist activity)
19:26 < alusion> I'm in a position right now to initiate more fab labs / hacker spaces / business incubators in the MD/DC/VA area.
19:27 < kanzure> "initiate"
19:27 < kanzure> why not just work at jigsaw
19:27 < alusion> Places to foster the incredible talent we have.
19:27 < kanzure> oh wait, jigsaw is at seattle
19:27 < kanzure> md is buggs? why not just use buggs?
19:27 < alusion> Was considering moving out there.
19:27 < kanzure> "incredible talent" yawn...
19:27 < kanzure> there is no magic here
19:28 < alusion> what, Seattle?
19:28 < kanzure> no, "here" as in "this world"
19:28 < bkero> All the Seattle talent came to Portland.
19:28 < kanzure> he is using talent to mean "people who are really smart", but the reality is that these projects aren't a matter of being smart
19:29 < kanzure> b2g.. now that requires some thought i guess
19:29 < bkero> kanzure: We've made a ton of god damn javascript APIs for everything.
19:29 < bkero> It's almost as if Javascript is a real language now.
19:30 < kanzure> bkero: hey any hints for running gecko headlessly? without an x server. maybe just a framebuffer?
19:31 < bkero> kanzure: you could dump it into an xvfb pointing to nowhere
19:31 < kanzure> no, i don't want xvfb
19:31 < bkero> but I'll ask about that tomorrow
19:31 < kanzure> and xvfb is deprecated
19:31 < kanzure> you should use xserver-xorg-video-dummy
19:31 < kanzure> but the point is i don't want these things.. let me know what you find :|
19:31 < bkero> kanzure: Do you just want some DOM objects?
19:31 < kanzure> no
19:31 < kanzure> i would use dom.js if i just wanted dom things
19:32 < kanzure> i want things like webgl, javascript, dom, webaudio, css2, css3
19:32 < kanzure> and iframes
19:32 < bkero> without a rendering target
19:32 < kanzure> a framebuffer would be ok
19:32 < kanzure> maybe directfb
19:32 < bkero> There's a GTK port to DirectFB ;)
19:32 < kanzure> it's unmaintained
19:32 < bkero> I tried getting that to work once
19:32 < kanzure> according to the directfb developer that i asked yesterday
19:32 < bkero> Yeah, it's a really big crapshoot
19:32 < kanzure> (tarik sekman)
19:32 < bkero> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134
19:32 < kanzure> (tarik sekmen)
19:33 < kanzure> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Tarik Sekmen <tarik@ilixi.org> wrote:
19:33 < kanzure> > AFAIK we do not support GTK for some time; so I'm not sure if latest "GTK
19:33 < kanzure> > on DFB" will work for you. It is maintained by their community. We support
19:33 < kanzure> > "Qt on DFB" via our consulting business.
19:33 < bkero> kanzure: You might see what the Wine guys are doing, they use gecko directly.
19:33 < kanzure> of course, then i would have to use qt...
19:33 < kanzure> why is wine using gecko?
19:33 < bkero> I haven't taken a look at that, but I know the IE calls and frames in wine are subsituted with gecko.
19:33 < kanzure> oh i guess win32 API things have IE and they decided to use gecko instead?
19:34 < kanzure> well that sounds painful
19:34 < bkero> Maybe you could lift something from it without having to resort to all of wine?
19:34 < kanzure> i will look
19:34 < bkero> Separating gecko from XUL has been unsupported since 2010 from Mozilla's point of view.
19:35 < bkero> XULRunner on the other hand...
19:35 < kanzure> lkcl was trying to get mozilla to support some DOM things through xpcom, but it turns out that they all hated him or something
19:35 < bkero> I'm not sure XULRunner requires GTK, it can just render to Cairo.
19:35 < kanzure> let me find the thread
19:35 < bkero> Gecko uses cairo as it's renderer.
19:35 < kanzure> there was pyxpcomext or something
19:35 < bkero> interesting
19:36 < kanzure> cairo has a cairo-directfb build option, but it wasn't working the other day. perhaps i will try again.
19:36 < bkero> http://pyxpcomext.mozdev.org/
19:36 < alusion> Do you have any road map visuals or infographics?
19:36 < bkero> alusion: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6a/No_Maps_for_These_Territories.png/220px-No_Maps_for_These_Territories.png
19:36 < gradstudentbot> That remains an open question.
19:36 < kanzure> bkero: http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-02-18.log
19:36 < alusion> holy crap..
19:37 < kanzure> bkero: check out the logs near lkcl
19:38 < bkero> kanzure: Yeah. I've tried the directfb mode before.
19:38 < bkero> kanzure: You said scraping. Have you investigated selenium?
19:39 < kanzure> selenium is pure evil
19:39 < bkero> Interesting, I've never heard of hulahop before
19:39 < kanzure> i do not want to run xvfb or xserver-xorg-video-dummy
19:39 < kanzure> i would prefer to continue to use http://phantomjs.org/ which is a headless qtwebkit browser
19:39 < kanzure> unfortunately it is webkit1 from 2009-2010, it's really ancient (qt 4.8)
19:40 < klafka> oh great movie bkero
19:40 < bkero> bleh
19:40 < kanzure> http://slimerjs.org/ uses gecko except they seem to think xvfb is a good idea (it's not)
19:41 < bkero> kanzure: Watir is something, might not offer what you want though.
19:41 < kanzure> WebKitDFB.git is supposed to compile from r141xxx, so i will try that either today or tomorrow
19:41 < bkero> I'm not sure how it handles the actual rendering.
19:41 < bkero> hnkehgfvluffthlcfchhulufilfrhdhd
19:41 < bkero> Damn yubikey
19:41 < kanzure> yubikey? is that like a woubleyou?
19:42 < bkero> It's a USB security device that emulates a keyboard and spits out one time pads when I touch the capacitive circuit.
19:42 < kanzure> anyway, thanks for tolerating my silly questions
19:42 < bkero> I'm off to get sushi.
19:42 < kanzure> also who is working on servo?
19:42 < kanzure> ok have fun
19:43  * bkero checks moz phonebook
19:43 < bkero> Brandon Eich is for one.
19:43 < bkero> Brendan Eich*
19:43 < kanzure> stalking powers, activate!
19:43 < bkero> http://brendaneich.com/
19:43 < bkero> Stalking enabled.
19:43 < kanzure> nice.
19:44 < kanzure> .feed sushi
19:44 < bkero> I learned about hulahop this evening though.
19:44 < kanzure> before i mentioned it?
19:45 < bkero> In the logs
19:45 < bkero> from the pythonwebkit author
19:45 < kanzure> ah.
19:46 < gradstudentbot> That's the control group, right?
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19:47 < kanzure> bkero: see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.embedding/c_NMcO-N8wo/discussion
19:47 < gradstudentbot> I'm writing that up and it will be submitted soon.
19:47 < kanzure> bkero: they stopped supporting gtkmozembed in 2011
19:49 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: the control group is a watermelon
19:49 < gradstudentbot> Should have gone to med school.
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20:04 < JayDugger> kanzure, have you met anyone who now works or who has worked at Mozilla Foundation? I've a co-worker who applied there this week.
20:04 < kanzure> JayDugger: bkero
20:05 < JayDugger> Thanks.
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20:16 < klafka> JayDugger:  i see those guys all the damn time
20:16 < klafka> i think their office si right near mine
20:17 < JayDugger> klafka, do you work there?
20:17 < klafka> nope
20:20 < gradstudentbot> Should have gone to med school.
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20:44 < brownies> where do you work klafka_ ?
20:44 < klafka_> in soma
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20:54 < kanzure> "sudoroom is being offered a scanning electron microscope (by Dr. X). it comes with all the stuff and actually works, but it requires a bit of knowledge to operate it.  unfortunately Mr. X is not available to train us how to operate it, however Chris Murphy may be available and knows how it works. It would take up about 30 square feet of space including the place where the operators sit or stand.  It is not computerized like the one at ...
20:55 < kanzure> ... Pumping Station One, it is an analog machine.  Pictures can be taken at high resolution by long-exposure photo of the CRT on the front of the machine, or we can build an analog data importer to reconstruct images at much higher resolution if we desire. The cash price of this SEM is $10 in gas and tolls, I will provide the vehicle and movement.  The rest of the price of the machine in blood and sacrifice is in the time and energy to learn ...
20:55 < kanzure> ... its intricicies and idiosynchracies while learning about vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and how not to let vacuum oil contaminate your vacuum and get all over your filament. https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM ironically, one of the reasons it doesn't work as well at noisebridge is because the whole place shakes when the city buses ride by.  and sudoroom is apparently directly over the bart tunnel so i wonder how different it will be."
20:56 < kanzure> "As I recall its not too big - maybe the size of a medium desk.  and it sounds like we may have an operator, but where does it stay?  do we have a volunteer to recieve, maintain and keep it for CCL? "
20:56 < kanzure> https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshooting-Reference_Guide.pdf
20:56 < kanzure> "It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily take up any more space than some bio equipment. Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer..."
20:59 < gradstudentbot> We were out of the right dye, so I just used an equivalent.
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21:34 < brownies> kanzure: that's quite the quandrary
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22:07 < kanzure> brownies: not enough places to put all the science
22:12 < klafka_> duuuude
22:12 < klafka_> SEM
23:08 < juri_> kanzure: I used to have a GC/MS at freegeek arkansas. equipment like that just goes everywhere.
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