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02:10 < archels`> chuckle. entrance fee for the Singularity University Summit Europe is €1500
02:41 < archels`> it baffles me what sort of audience they're trying to attract
02:42 < archels`> business people/entrepreneurs who like to drool over tech and stick their money into it?
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04:07 < qfwfq> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02461.x/abstract
04:07 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/17b9420eb18ac96c8a8f2cc645c1cef5.txt
04:08 < qfwfq> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02461.x/pdf
04:08 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7c9a4acf9b33a83f800bb74265b25ed.txt
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06:49 < kanzure> "I'd like to inform you, for those who would not have noticed yet, the new project OCCT Code Refactoring <http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php?q=home/projects/refactoring> is now active on the OCCT development portal. As this project would significantly impact the build, development and use of OCCT, we are especially interested in your feedback and your suggestions. For that, we have open dedicated topics on our forum ...
06:49 < kanzure> ... <http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php?q=forum/15>. Daniel"
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06:55 < chris_99> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-10665-1_71
06:55 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c513bacfb2b7dcb3c62d40682f403bf1.txt
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12:37 < kanzure> a little old, but whatever: http://www.catwig.com/google-glass-teardown/
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14:16 < kanzure> behold the glory of phantomjs users https://groups.google.com/d/msg/phantomjs/eWKlbjjH34c/1p6aR8KJ39gJ
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15:08 < heath> "You are almost out of space for your Gmail account. Once you run out of space, you will not be able to send or receive any emails until you delete some items.
15:08 < heath> You can view our tips on reducing your email storage or purchase additional storage."
15:12 < kanzure> yep :|
15:12 < kanzure> i am paying them for 90 GB. it sucks.
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16:22 < Juul> paperbot, http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00221-013-3579-0
16:22 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Effects%20of%20psilocybin%20on%20hippocampal%20neurogenesis%20and%20extinction%20of%20trace%20fear%20conditioning.pdf
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19:26 < jonathan___> hi paperbot
19:27 < kanzure> jonathan___: hello
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19:27 < jonathan___> anyone ever use semiconductor ph sensors?
19:28 < jonathan___> paperbot doi:10.1038/nmeth.2520
19:28 < jonathan___> is that how I use that thing
19:28 < yashgaroth> http please
19:28 < kanzure> paperboti s not that smart, but you could update it https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
19:28 < kanzure> *is not that smart
19:28 < jonathan___> paperbot http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nmeth.2520.html
19:28 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nmeth.2520.pdf
19:28 < kanzure> denied :(
19:28 < kanzure> try via http://sci-hub.org/ (connect from russia)
19:29 < jonathan___> ph meters are ripe for innovation I say
19:29 < jonathan___> they're a bastion of the dark ages
19:29 < yashgaroth> yon glasse bulbes
19:30 < JayDugger> papyrus tasseles
19:31 < jonathan___> how does sci-hub work?
19:32 < yashgaroth> connect via proxy, enter url, wait long-ass time for download
19:33 < jonathan___> paperbot http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1100456
19:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/29c7e0edddcb235036ff0bfe00cc23f3.txt
19:34 < jonathan___> I am sure my papers are too obscure
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19:35 < yashgaroth> what ieee doesn't give you paper access?
19:35 < kanzure> well, it's because paperbot doesn't have access to everything
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19:35 < jonathan___> paperbot http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=1530938
19:35 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2792d4d5cd33c6ab03931ae9fda4876d.txt
19:37 < jonathan___> I like it, even though it is a failure
19:37 < jonathan___> paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003267001933616
19:37 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20field%20effect%20transistor%20as%20a%20solid-state%20reference%20electrode.pdf
19:38 < kanzure> hooray it worked for once
19:38 < jonathan___> ieee is very segregated in terms of access.   you have to be a member of a particular society
19:38 < kanzure> hah then what's the point
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19:39 < jonathan___> it's just their funding model that's all
19:39 < jonathan___> like nature having multiple pub's
19:39 < kanzure> have you seen deepdyve/readcube?
19:39 < gradstudentbot> It's not really significant, but there's definitely a trend.
19:42 < jonathan___> geez, acs is charging for a paper from 1975?
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19:42 < jonathan___> paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac60363a005
19:42 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Potassium%20ion-sensitive%20field%20effect%20transistor.txt
19:42 < kanzure> paperbot needs to be rewritten to retry via sci-hub.org and other means
19:43 < jonathan___> for the acs, it just does not understand the html well enough. the paper is in there I think
19:43 < jonathan___> paperbot  http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac60363a005
19:43 < kanzure> <!--AccessDenialMessagePlaceholder-->
19:44 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/85a08be525e8efda417d4d88353501e2.pdf
19:44 < kanzure> oh weird
19:44 < kanzure> fucking zotero
19:45 < jonathan___> paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ja205684a
19:45 < kanzure> paperbot is based on https://github.com/zotero/translators and https://github.com/zotero/translation-server
19:45 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/30956717a0905340fc5b6eef91b16ef8.pdf
19:45 < kanzure> so this means the zotero translators are broken
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19:45 < kanzure> plus paperbot's python fallbacks (which are poorly written and awful) aren't working either
19:45 < kanzure> (there might not have been a manual acs fallback)
19:46 < jonathan___> really..  did you see my shell scripts LOL
19:46 < jonathan___> they spidered the entire IEEE site just with head, cut, tail
19:46 < jonathan___> and a grep or two
19:46 < gradstudentbot> Can I defend with just one aim done?
19:46 < kanzure> translation-server runs javascript in gecko (firefox)
19:46 < jonathan___> also nature and acs
19:47 < jonathan___> I recall that tom knight posted a reply to my post about it, saying "please don't do that".   Hmm, Ok, I won't.
19:47 < jonathan___> so, I didn't, of course.
19:47 < kanzure> "gee thanks, tom"
19:48 < jonathan___> it's a fair comment.  should not be done you know.
19:48 < kanzure> sci-hub.org is paying people to run proxies
19:48 < kanzure> s/people/students/
19:48 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: like you? are you even done with your paper yet?
19:48 < gradstudentbot> It was in Science last month.
19:49 < jonathan___> I love this part:   <a href="/doi/pdf/10.1046/9999-9999.99999"><!-- Spider trap link -->
19:49 < kanzure> hmm
19:49 < jonathan___> Umm hello people, that's lovely
19:49 < kanzure> yeah, thanks for telling us
19:49 < jonathan___> yea LOL
19:49 < kanzure> AIP started showing an image captcha
19:49 < kanzure> of einstein (a copyrighted image)
19:49 < gradstudentbot> I am writing the abstract.
19:49 < kanzure> i mean, *a copyright-enforced image
19:50 < kanzure> i mean, *the einstein foundation is a bunch of jerks
19:50 < kanzure> anyway i'm curious how blind users are reading AIP now..
19:51 < delinquentme> why does the friend referral thing work for hiring?
19:51 < delinquentme> knowing that the referer knows little to nothing about the technical position
19:51 < delinquentme> how does that even work???
19:52 < jonathan___> If I had stayed in austin I definitely would have written up a browser plugin which everyone could use as a pdf cache system
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19:53 < jonathan___> acs is very friendly though in comparison, I mean they do the spidering for you, see  <a href="/doi/abs/10.1021/ac60363a013" class="next" title="Next Article">
19:54 < kanzure> sure
19:54 < kanzure> paperbot should be rewritten
19:54 < jonathan___> grep 'class="next"' | cut -d" -f2 | wget
19:54 < kanzure> i was thinking of getting rid of gecko and zotero translators
19:54 < kanzure> and maybe using the python/gtk/gobject DOM bindings for webkit
19:55 < kanzure> but zotero translators already get most metadata.. which is nice.
19:55 < jonathan___> maybe write it in html5 websockets
19:55 < kanzure> where would the websockets originate from?
19:55 < jonathan___> friendly connected clients
19:56 < kanzure> i'm afraid that would be easy for sysadmins to block on campus
19:56 < kanzure> hmm
19:56 < jonathan___> I assume it's possible to do peer to server to peer
19:56 < gradstudentbot> Am I going to be first author?
19:56 < kanzure> client-server is definitely possible with websockets.
19:57 < jonathan___> the websocket originates from the client side so I dont think it would be a firewall issue.
19:57 < jonathan___> I'm sure someone has an html5 proxy framework somewhere
19:58 < kanzure> i've also been pondering things like, how many bitcoins could you charge for the complete history of nature
19:58 < kanzure> or what about selling a cheaper subscription
19:58 < kanzure> and then selling that to universities
19:58 < kanzure> (again just via bitcoins)
19:59 < jonathan___> I would stay away from fake currencies
19:59 < jonathan___> some things are better left alone
20:00 < kanzure> bitcoin exists
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20:00 < kanzure> don't lie to me
20:00 < gradstudentbot> People have tried that, but it doesn't seem to work.
20:02 < kanzure> the point isn't to treat it as a currency
20:02 < kanzure> the point is to treat it as a way to perform pseudonymous transactions
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20:05 < jonathan___> google bitcoin federal reserve
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20:07 < jonathan___> let's see, you can play with matches, you can play with fire, or you can play with weapons of mass destruction.   joshua would you like to play a game?
20:09 < kanzure> huh?
20:09 < kanzure> are you claimining bitcoin is not useful for pseudonymous transactions?
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20:09 < delinquentme> kanzure, have you hung out with andreas sabetelli?
20:09 < delinquentme> I think you guys are like locals :P
20:09 < kanzure> no records found
20:09 < delinquentme> SPEAKING OF
20:09 < delinquentme> klafka,
20:09 < klafka> yo
20:10 < delinquentme> wheres the love man??
20:10 < klafka> i'm in portland atm
20:10 < delinquentme> woah!
20:10 < delinquentme> whatchoo doing there?
20:10 < kanzure> klafka: you should hang out with nmz787_ and jrayhawk and lichen
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20:10 < kanzure> klafka_: you should hang out with nmz787_ and jrayhawk and lichen
20:11 < klafka_> i'm actually in the airport
20:11 < klafka_> to go back to sf
20:11 < jrayhawk> haha
20:11 < klafka_> sorry i had a busy schedule though :( rave then work <_<
20:12 < gradstudentbot> My experiment was working a second ago, but now it doesn't even work.
20:13 < klafka_> anyway boarding ttyl
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20:13 < kanzure> do you at least hang out with brownies, Juul, delinquentme?
20:13 < jonathan___> paperbot I would suggest adopting a nym server as your backend so you don't get roasted.
20:13 < kanzure> paperbot scrubs papers with pdfparanoia
20:13 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia
20:14 < Juul> kanzure, no, does brownies ever come to noisebridge / sudo room / cclabs?
20:14 < kanzure> hmmmm
20:14 < kanzure> brownies: explain yourself
20:14 < delinquentme> I've not met brownies :P
20:14 < delinquentme> I know marc is hacking on the mesh net!
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20:14 < delinquentme> and that klafka is in portland
20:16 < Juul> i think i've found my favorite community wifi project so far
20:16 < Juul> http://www.myrtletown.net/wifi.php
20:17 < kanzure> "My brother attended a conference where a speaker said that gait of human beings are so unique that an individual can be identified with 100% certainty using the accelerometer of the phone in their pocket."
20:17 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/mfn3/pub/mfn_gait_id.pdf
20:17 < kanzure> paperbot: http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~juefeix/btas_2012_felix.pdf
20:17 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f6d49c0a2cbbfeb2453e4f18167ccd2b.pdf
20:17 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/60a38732843c270b2c4bbfc66fb19786.txt
20:17 < gradstudentbot> It's contaminated.
20:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, noooooooo
20:19 < delinquentme> wah????
20:20 < delinquentme> Juul, you should crush on this project then hit up ubuquiti
20:20 < jonathan___> paperbot http://iopscience.iop.org/0964-1726/10/2/322/pdf/0964-1726_10_2_322.pdf
20:20 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fe0510020677c70373614e5d9dff578d.pdf
20:20 < delinquentme> They've got repeaters around the mission and they're always using SF scenery to get likes
20:20 < Juul> delinquentme, yeah, i need to talk to them. i already sent them an angry email when they told me they discontinued access to their SDK
20:21 < kanzure> those bastards
20:21 < kanzure> but i'm glad you're an official member of the hate mail club.
20:21 < jonathan___> paperbot better check your watermark scrubber for iop
20:22 < delinquentme> I know they've got nice repeaters ... b ut then I've also seen some research operation come up with a focused router with a range in the KMs
20:22 < kanzure> jonathan___: add an issue, https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues
20:22 < Juul> haha
20:22 < kanzure> oh IOP is here https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/3
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20:24 < jonathan___> paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1021/ac0498516
20:24 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c80af75a4035b9369c125f0de55b79d5.pdf
20:26 < jonathan___> geez the electronic circuit in that paper is like 1985 design and the paper was published 2004..
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20:51 < jonathan___> paperbot http://jap.physiology.org/content/40/4/625.full.pdf+html
20:51 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Evaluation%20of%20a%20dual-function%20pH%20and%20PCO2%20in%20vivo%20sensor.pdf
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20:54 < jonathan___> another watermark error
20:54 < brownies> yeah gait recognition is totally valid
20:56 < kanzure> are you imitating gradstudentbot?
20:56 < gradstudentbot> Grant submitted.
20:58 < brownies> no, just commenting on something mildly interesting
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21:26 < jonathan_> I bet they didn't include yoga students in the study
21:27 < jonathan_> or crossfit athletes either
21:31 < jonathan_> paperbot you could use an upgrade to make a dissertationbot
21:31 < brownies> why? do they all walk the same way?
21:32 < kanzure> i doubt it. hips aren't that normalized.
21:32 < jrayhawk> when the only permissable way to step forward is in the process of doing a clean and jerk
21:34 < jonathan_> paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1021/nn401757w
21:34 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6d1aa7e3c9b88dc6d21b90f224eaf56e.pdf
21:35 < jonathan_> those hobbies might change gait that's why
21:35 < jonathan_> they change posture quite a bit
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21:36 < jonathan_> especially of weird hacker dudes with strange physical body quirks
21:37 < kanzure> accelerometer tracking is sorta useless anyway since you already have wifi fingerprinting
21:37 < brownies> and, you know, since they're probably logged in to half a dozen services on their phone.
21:37 < jonathan_> and if your phone is turned on the nsa is monitoring every move anyway
21:38 < jonathan_> those nsa guys, they're a really bored bunch aint they
21:38 < kanzure> counterstalk the nsa
21:39 < kanzure> did i say that outloud?
21:40 < jonathan_> ha, follow a bunch of uber square white guys with no sex life?  how boring
21:40 < jonathan_> lets see, to get into nsa you need top secret clearance
21:40 < jonathan_> which basically means:  you've never done anything fun in your life period
21:41 < jonathan_> then group all those guys together with the same square culture
21:41 < jonathan_> tho I could be rong
21:42 < jonathan_> *wrong
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21:42 < jonathan_> according to the game shop nearby there are a ton of square military dudes who are into pathfinder....  because they aren't allowed to have any vices
21:43 < jonathan_> maybe that's why they went after steve jackson, they were just jealous.  lol
21:45 < jonathan_> really things will change once a bunch of congressmen/women get tracked when they don't want.   then overnight the laws will be passed prohibiting it.
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21:46 < jonathan_> google glass is freakin creepy
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21:51 < jrayhawk> with the exponential economization of sensors, computation, storage, and bandwidth, global panopticon is an inevitability
21:52 < jonathan_> only if you buy into it
21:52 < jrayhawk> this is like refusing to "buy into" computers
21:53 < jrayhawk> or general automation
21:53 < delinquentme> Why parameter sensitivity matters
21:54 < jrayhawk> you're still going to be victimized, you just get to feel more morally superior while doing it while having less actual power
21:54 < delinquentme> http://proteas.microlab.ntua.gr/ksiop/phd_funny/research_in_progress__funny/Why%20parameter%20sensitivity%20matters.gif
21:54 < kanzure> what's wrong with your own wearable?
21:55 < kanzure> if you wipe the software or build your own, i don't see the problem
21:55 < gradstudentbot> We were out of the right dye, so I just used an equivalent.
21:55 < jonathan_> there are still people who never get fingerprinted or drivers license and get fake bank accounts.  sure they'll get facial recognition but there wont be any lookup.
21:55 < jonathan_> I dont have a cell phone, most people dont believe me when I say so
21:56 < jonathan_> requires putting up with the inconvenience
21:56 < kanzure> yeah, i wouldn't believe that. you don't even have a junker you test software on?
21:57 < jonathan_> I have a 1st gen iphone which was never activated and previously used a pay-as-you-go SIM with no id cash only, but have not used that SIM in years now, phone is always in airplane mode but typically I never bring it with me anyway
21:59 < jonathan_> if I join a free wifi network with it then of course it could be identified and traced back based on browsing history I suppose
22:00 < kanzure> see! you do have one. god damn it.
22:00 < jonathan_> I dont carry it, havent in years
22:01 < jonathan_> last time I used it was on a biz trip to vegas, like 3 years ago
22:01 < jonathan_> it is getting tougher to not carry a phone
22:02 < jrayhawk> 'it's the rationalization that allows you to blow a guy you can't stand, "I hate him but I'm going to make him cum so hard he'll just want more of me, which will be his punishment."  Let that analogy sink in for a moment.  From his perspective, not only did he still get blown, he liked it even more. In this analogy, the guy is [social empowerment] and you're not.'
22:02 < yashgaroth> uh
22:02 < kanzure> i agree with yashgaroth
22:02 < jonathan_> for example, if you cross the canadian border not at a normal gate, you are supposed to "call ahead" to tell the visa office.   which assumes there's a phone somewhere...
22:03 < jonathan_> j, read "Why Women Have Sex - Understanding Sexual Motivations from Adventure to Revenge"
22:04 < jonathan_> written by 2 ph d's of course
22:19 < jonathan_> wow, that post about the GMO study is sad.  how many years and no valid studies?
22:21 < kanzure> it's a shame that all the anti-GMO sentiments in europe aren't focused on the actual problems with monsanto
22:24 < kanzure> paperbot: http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?l=en&d=130&a=164761&newsdep=130
22:24 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/377f0d751e0677a2617feb81634761c9.txt
22:24 < kanzure> .title
22:24 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
22:24 < kanzure> .title http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?l=en&d=130&a=164761&newsdep=130
22:24 < yoleaux> New method of mass-producing high-quality DNA - Startpage - Karolinska Institutet
22:25 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nmeth.2503.html
22:25 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nmeth.2503.pdf
22:25 < kanzure> blergh
22:25 < gradstudentbot> I think I'll be done in 6 years.
22:25 < kanzure> "We amplified oligonucleotides from clonal templates derived from single bacterial colonies and then digested cutter hairpins in the products, which released pools of oligonucleotides with precisely controlled relative stoichiometric ratios. We prepared 14–378-nucleotide MOSIC oligonucleotides either by in vitro rolling-circle amplification or by amplification of phagemid DNA in Escherichia coli. Analyses of the formation of a DNA crystal ...
22:25 < kanzure> ... and folding of DNA nanostructures confirmed the scalability, purity and stoichiometry of the produced oligonucleotides."
22:45 < jonathan_> paperbot try something exotic for a change http://www.ajevonline.org/content/46/2/274.abstract
22:46 < jonathan_> paperbot http://www.ajevonline.org/content/46/2/274.full.pdf+html
22:46 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2b7afd156a222050d24ce7c78c4ac99d.txt
22:46 < jonathan_> paperbot obviously you dont drink much. <strong xmlns="">This item requires a subscription to American Journal of Enology and Viticulture. </strong>
22:48 < brownies> is gradstudentbot on a timer or what?
22:48 < gradstudentbot> I feel like you don't completely comprehend the scope of this work.
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23:03 < kanzure> brownies: no
23:06 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: work on that article?
23:06 < gradstudentbot> I need to read that paper soon.
23:06 < kanzure> gradstudentbot:
23:06 < gradstudentbot> I am writing the abstract.
23:08 < jonathan_> paperbot I feel like our relationship has grown stronger in the past few hours yet now I must leave you. don't be lonely without me.
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23:26 < brownies> kanzure: are you sure? sometimes he just says things unprovoked
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23:37 < abetusk> kanzure, any references on treating business like a democracy?  Any templates?
23:38 < abetusk> maybe I should try #startups
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