--- Log opened Tue Jun 25 00:00:06 2013
00:02 < wibzro> we should clone something
00:02 < wibzro> using DNA
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10:35 < archels> .gc nanoarchitectonics
10:35 < yoleaux> 36,500 (site), 7,370 (api)
10:35 < archels> .g nanoarchitectonics
10:35 < yoleaux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoarchitectonics
10:36 < archels> damn, it's really a thing
10:41 < brownies> .meow
10:41 < yoleaux> http://moar.edgecats.net/cats/xNgpY4pwPK.gif
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17:10 < kanzure> HEx1: hi
17:11 < HEx1> hi kanzure
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20:47  * bkero wants a brownie
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21:20 < kanzure> "The gist is that there were a lot of out of tree solutions (openvz is still used eg by Travis CI) but they had conflicting requirements and a lot of the suggestions were just "we need BSD jails" which is a very monolithic single purpose solution, like having a web server in the kernel (yes there was one) rather than having the kernel APIs in place so that was not needed."
21:20 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5941382
21:20 < kanzure> https://lwn.net/Articles/179361/
21:21 < bkero> kanzure: problem with lxc?
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21:30 < kanzure> bkero: nope, just history lessoning myself.
21:31 < bkero> Ah
21:40 < nmz787_> http://doresearch.stanford.edu/research-scholarship/export-controls/export-controlled-items#pathogens-and-toxins
21:40 < nmz787_>  Stanford only says 'genetic elements' associated with select-list pathogens
21:40 < nmz787_> but I wonder about DNA synthesis technology
21:41 < nmz787_> the ability to make /any/ long DNA
21:42 < kanzure> let's get the pro-birth/pro-life people to support dna synthesis and genomic synthesis
21:43 < kanzure> i think it could possibly turn all their hatred into something useful in this case
21:43 < nmz787_> got any ideas?
21:43 < kanzure> the pope?
21:44 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you in?
21:44 < yashgaroth> hrgh lemme read
21:45 < kanzure> it's like two sentences
21:45 < yashgaroth> how do we get from dna synthesis to the pope tho
21:46 < yashgaroth> oh I thought the link was more informative
21:48 < kanzure> seems like a leap. i can't think of a way to make it work.
21:48 < kanzure> you would have to convince them that genomic dna is a person
21:48 < kanzure> and that's not even true
21:48 < yashgaroth> I mean uh I guess there might not be specific arms export controls on dna synthesizers
21:50 < yashgaroth> anyway the closest I can get is religion believing 'man has dominion over all life on earth' but that kinda gets outweighed by 'don't play god'
21:51 < kanzure> well, you can make various arguments about the information being what makes a person unique, and that information starts with the genome (let's ignore epigenetics)
21:51 < kanzure> and then you can convince them that their anti-abortion stances should apply to synthetic genomes?
21:52 < yashgaroth> ahhhhh okay
21:53 < kanzure> e.g., deleting a genome is murder
21:53 < yashgaroth> man synthesizing an entire human genome every time you need an oligo is gonna get pricey
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22:25 < nmz787_> so can we sell centrifuges to Iran then?
22:27 < nmz787_> hmm, I think not
22:27 < nmz787_> or at least section XIV of this persuades me to think not http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/consolidated_itar/ITAR_Part121.pdf
22:28 < nmz787_> (centrifuges and DNA synthesizers)
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