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01:32 < archels> kanzure: this is true, but the electric fields generated by placing electrodes on the scalp are very very broad, and intersubject variability is very large
01:33 < archels> apparently the retinal cells are stimulated at the lowest thresholds, causing phosphenes. Then when you turn the current up (going above ~1 mA), you start to excite cortical areas
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01:39 < Viper168> I've been tempted to bult and test a TMS unit
01:39 < Viper168> wouldn't be hard
01:40 < Viper168> I'd just want someone around in case I have a seizure
01:48 < archels> tDCS/tACS is easier
01:48 < archels> what do you want to get out of it, 15 minutes of being a maths genius?
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05:20 < Burninate> Is this a big deal?
05:20 < Burninate> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23068423
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06:45 < ThomasEgi> Burninate, given the news of recently found mamoot blood in syberia.. ;)
06:47 < Burninate> I'm left to understand that mammoth blood and ancient DNA in general is still an open problem.  Sequencing is not cloning, and sequencing mammoth blood is only borderline possible.
06:50 < Burninate> "Recreating a life from a skin cell" was proferred as a morality-challenging scenario at one point a few years back
06:51 < Burninate> Does circulating white blood cells significantly change the game versus utilizing stem cells?
06:54 < Burninate> also... wow
06:54 < Burninate> http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/cloning-0911.html
06:54 < Burninate> " Professor of Biology Rudolf Jaenisch found that approximately one in every 25 genes was abnormally expressed in placentas from cloned mice"
06:55 < Burninate> I wonder what the rate is using modern methods
07:22 < Burninate> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5951441
07:22 < Burninate> "Rienhoff, a biotech entrepreneur in San Carlos, California, who had trained as a clinical geneticist in the 1980s, went from doctor to doctor looking for a diagnosis. He bought lab equipment so that he could study his daughter’s DNA himself — and in the process, he became a symbol for the do-it-yourself biology movement, and a trailblazer in using DNA technologies to diagnose a rare disease (see Nature 449, 773–7
07:22 < Burninate> 76; 2007)."
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07:30 < kanzure> .title http://nasawatch.com/archives/2013/06/nasa-technical-1.html
07:30 < yoleaux> NASA Technical Reports Server Updated - NASA Watch
07:30 < kanzure> ""On May 8, 2013, the NTRS was brought back on-line for public access, reloaded with the validated 966,460 documents and metadata records. A small subset of approximately 248,000 documents, largely consisting of older documents, such as National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics materials, remain to be reviewed and will not be restored to public access until a thorough review is completed.""
07:30 < kanzure> "While the site has been updated and as Keith had previously mentioned, there are still approximate 248,000 older records that still need to be brought back online. The June 15th update makes no mention on how the review is progressing. We will update you as soon as we know more."
07:35 < archels> wget -m
07:37 < kanzure> no! fucking hell.
07:37 < kanzure> -m is not a good way to parse collections of papers
07:38 < kanzure> it just crawls things and then you have no guarantees about self-consistency, percent collected, metadata/pdf linking, etc.
07:38 < kanzure> .title http://www.nature.com/news/father-s-genetic-quest-pays-off-1.13269
07:38 < yoleaux> Father’s genetic quest pays off : Nature News & Comment
07:38 < kanzure> you might remember hugh from http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/mydaughtersgenome/
07:58 < Burninate> Why is writing in complete sentences such a rare skill among professional adults who have supposedly completed university courses?
07:59 < Burninate> Or wait
07:59 < Burninate> is this a *live* transcript?
08:00 < Burninate> my bad
08:01 < kanzure> they are all live transcripts
08:01 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/
08:02 < kanzure> but your point is hilarious anyway :)
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08:45 < kanzure> jonathan__: hi
08:45 < jonathan__> this the one? http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2013/04/19/119654/a_talent_agency_for_software_developers?category=economy
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08:46 < jonathan__> i'll talk to em see what they say
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08:50 < jonathan__> there's a great audio interview with steve jobs on the web somewhere where he steadfastly claims that "great programmers are 25x more productive than average or poor programmers.  In hardware this ratio is 2x maybe 3x.  in software it is more like 25x."
08:50 < kanzure> jonathan__: yes. i sort of don't like their insistence on using the word "freelancing". that's for poor people.
08:51 < kanzure> jonathan__: i dunno, i've seen some crazy hardware people. in hardware, it's not unreasonable for a single person to design an architecture, get it on an asic, write compilers targeting his architecture, port linux, and debug stupid IEEE 7101.33 math errors.
08:51 < jonathan__> maybe the real biz is in creating a recruiting company.  its just a sorting process of people.
08:51 < klafka> this is hilarious http://www.crunchbase.com/company/rap-genius
08:51 < kanzure> jonathan__: well, if you think you can do recruiting better, then yes
08:51 < kanzure> jonathan__: like http://developerauction.com/
08:52 < jonathan__> i have done recruiting better.   I developed a screening process which has very good results and no one else seems to use it, anywhere.  in fact even in the face of good results people argue that it shouldn't work.   which means it's a great biz.
08:52 < kanzure> well, if that's true, then you should start a recruiting company where you eat your own dog food
08:52 < kanzure> developer auction claims they have a great screening process
08:53 < kanzure> but they totally ignore it when they hire their own people
08:53 < jonathan__> that's because recruiters can be like robot salesmen.  once a process is discovered, it only takes robots to run it, not smart people.
08:54 < kanzure> i don't see how robot salesmen explains their non-dogfooding
08:54 < jonathan__> like google ad words...   deviate from what "works" and the results are lower quality.  better to hire poor people who can't/dont think
08:54 < kanzure> adwords is because you don't have information about the market
08:54 < kanzure> you can acquire information through services like mine, or http://whatrunswhere.com/ and friends (for adwords)
08:54 < jonathan__> ok I'll sign up and see what happens
08:55 < kanzure> on developer auction?
08:55 < jonathan__> is it worth it?
08:55 < kanzure> well....
08:55 < kanzure> i wrote up a review, http://developerauctionhacker.pen.io/
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08:57 < jonathan__> interesting
08:57 < kanzure> the summary is: it's a lot of additional effort (on top of a resume /and/ going through each company's hiring pipeline), and you may or may not get offers. i got offers, but i was disappointed to learn that they weren't real offers, and i had put in all that work for absolutely zilch. two highly qualified friends have complained that they got zero offers.
08:58 < kanzure> here's someone who replied to that post i wrote- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5730843
08:58 < kanzure> (he has good data too)
08:59 < kanzure> "Their offering to talented developers seems to be somewhat limited. Basically you sign up, spend a while writing out a huge profile (in addition to your resume and public work on github), then they just dump you into the laps of recruiters as part of their normal hiring pipeline. Hey, if I wanted to sit around doing 15 hours of live algorithm screening, I would have just called those companies myself..."
08:59 < kanzure> "This is probably okay for junior developers, but realistically junior developers just need to have a pulse to get hired (and maybe one or two sample projects). As for senior talent, there's few incentives to participate in these antics. Same antics, different names. I got a bunch of offers, but they require a great deal of effort to follow up on everyone and schedule a billion interviews and screens and other things that I am frankly ...
08:59 < kanzure> ... exhausted by."
09:00 < kanzure> "I would love something like a 1-hour guarantee: receive an initial offer to see if the range is what you have in mind, spend exactly one hour talking with a company before receiving an actual truly real sign-on-the-dotted-line offer. I am just frustrated about the marketing I think, I'll feel better in an hour."
09:00 < jonathan__> hm
09:01 < jonathan__> i'm not going to work in sf so forget that
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09:01 < kanzure> there were non-sf companies of course
09:01 < kanzure> when i say sf i mean bay area
09:02 < jonathan__> right
09:02 < kanzure> a friend of mine scraped profile images from developer auction
09:02 < kanzure> and then used reverse image search to find the profiles of these developers
09:02 < kanzure> brownies: ^
09:03 < jonathan__> really, now that is interesting
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09:03 < jonathan__> of course they shouldn't use images on profiles. that's open to bias.
09:03 < jonathan__> it's a dev job not a sales job.
09:04 < kanzure> correct
09:04 < kanzure> i used no profile image, because i didn't want to have to test an optimal profile pic
09:04 < kanzure> ugh
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09:05 < jonathan__> you had to list your name though, didnt you
09:05 < kanzure> true
09:05 < kanzure> there's actually another one where you don't have to do that
09:06 < jonathan__> put up a profile as "muralanti ramachandranamathan" and see what happens
09:06 < kanzure> https://www.whitetruffle.com/ ?
09:06 < kanzure> yeah that one
09:09 < brownies> "Stephen Hawking"
09:09 < kanzure> ?
09:09 < brownies> "But you can call me Steve."
09:10 < kanzure> ah
09:10 < brownies> just saying... if you didn't have to put up a real name... heh.
09:10 < jonathan__> the idea is that cultural bias should be eliminated from the recruiting process
09:10 < jonathan__> if I can type fluent english and write 200 page software specs then that is enough
09:10 < kanzure> actually, interviewers are commonly filtering you based on "cultural fit"
09:10 < jonathan__> not that I have an american name
09:11 < brownies> "cultural fit" is the fallback reason
09:11 < jonathan__> yes but that's all a cover
09:11 < brownies> it translates to "we don't like you, and we're not going to tell you why"
09:11 < kanzure> and most of these places don't even want 200 pages of specifications
09:11 < kanzure> or any specifications :(
09:11 < kanzure> :sob:
09:11 < jonathan__> what it really means is this:  I want someone who can write and talk effectively without a crazy non-english accent and bizarre behavioral problems due to their culture or religion
09:12 < kanzure> no, that's not what "cultural fit" means
09:12 < jonathan__> plenty of white guys don't meet that criteria either
09:12 < kanzure> "cultural fit" means stuff like... "this guy sounds boring"
09:12 < brownies> you guys and your inability to translate corporate-speak are adorable :)
09:12 < jonathan__> often 'cultural fit' means "he will be a Yes Man"
09:12 < kanzure> or "this guy doesn't seem like the type to participate in a nerf gun battle"
09:13 < kanzure> brownies: will you buy me one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pharmacia-Biotech-OligoProcess-System-DNA-Synthesizer-LINEAR-FLOW-THROUGH-/160922045880?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2577b38db8
09:13 < jonathan__> the idea of truly good recruiting is to find good people, not find people subject to the bias of the organization
09:18 < jonathan__> "Free lunch delivered daily and free dinner if you work nights. Also: epic, epic snacks."
09:18 < jonathan__> what was that you guys were saying before about working only 8 hrs...     oh there's dinner involved now
09:18 < jonathan__> wth are "epic snacks"
09:18 < jonathan__> engineers are supposed to type not eat chips
09:19 < nmz787_> jonathan__: so the photonic fence seems to rely on the retroreflector and imager placed at the center/back of that  (i believe)
09:19 < jonathan__> "Skiing, ping pong, shooting ranges, box seats at baseball and hockey games, LAN parties, and hackathons. We're especially proud of our very own jam room."   ..  wth get to work already stop playing
09:19 < nmz787_> and assuming the laser is at that same point, no math would be needed to aim the laser
09:19 < jonathan__> yes photonic fence is a fancy way of saying it's like that xbox thing but with infrared
09:19 < nmz787_> but I guess you couldn't have the laser and imager coincident
09:20 < jonathan__> time for me to go to the office
09:20 < nmz787_> so actually you might need to do some triangulation or something
09:22 < brownies> jonathan__: where are you quoting this shit from?
09:22 < brownies> kanzure: only 65K? can i ride around in it?
09:22 < nmz787_> brownies: looks like it has casters
09:22 < nmz787_> new soapbox racer!
09:24 < nmz787_> huh, that patent screwed up on a citation date
09:25 < nmz787_> says 2005 when the paper actually came out in 1991
09:25 < nmz787_> (this one) http://guaminsects.net/doc/misc/Moore1991.pdf
09:25 < nmz787_> "Artificial Neural Network Trained to Identify Mosquitoes in Flight"
09:25 < gradstudentbot> Dude, you contaminated my experiment.
09:26 < nmz787_> gradstudentbot: def not me, i mastered sterile technique more than 10 years ago
09:26 < gradstudentbot> Can I borrow some sulphuric acid?
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09:53 < nmz787_> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01048285?LI=true
09:53 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/50697f433151597b8cdd2d1db6371a8c.txt
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10:00 < fenn> nmz787_: the laser and imager can be aligned coaxial if you use a dichroic beam splitter. personally i think phased array microwave is more efficient elegant and safe
10:00 < fenn> fry and spy with the same beam
10:01 < jonathan__> "CA-Sunnyvale, CyberCoders Matching Great People with Great Companies Learn more about CyberCoders Lead iOS Engineer Mountain View, CA; Sunnyvale, CA Full-Time $150,000 - $175,000 Posted 6/27/2013"
10:01 < jonathan__> now that's what i'm talkin bout
10:14 < jonathan__> (not that anyone should ever work for cybercoders)
10:16 < gradstudentbot> I'm writing that up and it will be submitted soon.
10:42 < Burninate> <epitron> http://imgur.com/a/HMBAH
10:49 < klafka> jonathan__:  ah is cybercoders bad?
10:50 < klafka> their recruiters msg me all the damn time
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13:33 < eudoxia> < Burninate> <epitron> http://imgur.com/a/HMBAH
13:34 < eudoxia> my favorite's the one about the centrifuge
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14:06 < klafka> holy shit talk about some lengthy writing - http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/27/weddings-used-to-be-sacred-and-other-lessons-about-internet-journalism/
14:10 < strangewarp> destroy the eco-radicals! they care about fish and hate weddings!! or something
14:12 < eudoxia> i don't think i've ever read anything from one of those tech news sites
14:13 < eudoxia> >These reactions were so extreme, so maniacal, so deeply drenched in expletives, they seemed wasted on us; this was the sort of angry invective normally reserved for genocidal dictators.
14:13 < eudoxia> oh, buck up
14:14 < kanzure> why are you reading techcrunch in the first place?
14:15 < eudoxia> yeah klafka go work on something moderately h+ related
14:15 < klafka> lol
14:15 < klafka> to be fair
14:15 < klafka> i didn't read it
14:15 < klafka> i just saw its length and marveled
14:16 < eudoxia> yeah but you were *browsing* techcrunch
14:16 < klafka> nah i was browsing HN (slightly better)
14:19 < eudoxia> i hear it's full of pseudo-smart nerds/internet monetary policy experts
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15:05 < klafka> it's the voice of a generation
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16:38 < pasky> heh, http://meteor.com/about/mission a lot of langton labs references
16:38 < pasky> (is that where chido hung out with kanzure?)
16:39 < kanzure> sort of. i think i met chido somewhere else in sf.
16:39 < kanzure> but yes one of those people is from langton labs
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16:41 < pasky> (meteor "very well funded" - i wonder what is the income gonna be? just consulting...?)
16:42 < brownies> they'll go the PaaS route
16:43 < pasky> hmm they offer you to deploy your stuff in "their cloud", right
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18:45 < kanzure> this seems like a nice way to pile wsgi things on a box: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5955302
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19:05 < brownies> hey that's pretty cool.
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19:16 < jonathan__> "UK government backs three-person IVF"  "The UK looks set to become the first country to allow the creation of babies using DNA from three people, after the government backed the IVF technique."    ALL HAIL THE MASTER RACE
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20:20 < jonathan__> how come everyone is disrupting.  doesnt anyone want to evolve.
20:21 < yashgaroth> now hiring disruption hackers
20:22 < kanzure> anyone have some btc i can partake in?
20:22 < kanzure> yashgaroth: the new term is "growth hacker" or "solutions hacker"
20:23 < yashgaroth> I decoded growth hacking to marketing, solutions is more nebulous
20:23 < jonathan__> I dont understand the meaning of half of these job postings
20:23 < jonathan__> since when did programming become "rock star" etc
20:23 < kanzure> since nobody could find anyone to hire
20:24 < kanzure> and now they have to get people just graduating from college
20:24 < kanzure> so they have to lay it on thick
20:24 < jonathan__> what is a "full stack engineer" ?
20:25 < jonathan__> geez back in the day, hackers were "bad"
20:25 < kanzure> "full stack" usually means something hilariously non-full, like "front-end html/css/javascript, plus immediate backend stuff, plus other backend things, possibly including postgresql or cassandra or hadoop stuff"
20:25 < jonathan__> it would be so much simpler if they just listed what they actually use
20:25 < kanzure> they don't actually mean the "full stack" (which i think would go down through the layers of os kernel, cpu architecture, etc.)
20:25 < jonathan__> library x, y, z
20:25 < yashgaroth> aww I thought it was 'we keep getting stack overflows please help'
20:25 < abetusk> "rock star" translation: "underpaid developer"
20:25 < kanzure> rock star is not always underpaid
20:26 < jonathan__> "We're looking for a smart, creative hacker. We are partnering with universities like Purdue, NYU and Caltech to disrupt the $6B/year tutoring market. "
20:26 < jonathan__> see, everyone wants to disrupt
20:26 < jonathan__> what kind of misfit employees do they already have, that are all anarchists etc
20:27 < kanzure> is that tutorspree?
20:27 < jonathan__> it's not freshman year of high school for godsakes
20:27 < kanzure> there's actually not that many tutoring startups i think
20:27 < kanzure> tutortree?
20:27 < kanzure> tutorwanker?
20:27 < jonathan__> "YC Ed Tech Startup in the Bay Area"
20:28 < kanzure> might be brownies
20:28 < jonathan__> I didnt even know there was a tutoring market.  I once asked college admissions if I could get a tutor for circuits II and they said "huh?"
20:28 < kanzure> admissions wont know that
20:29 < jonathan__> I was happily paid as a note taker a couple times, that was fun
20:29 < jonathan__> one of the guys was somehow learning disabled and had a grant that allowed for a paid note taker
20:30 < jonathan__> I took super good notes man, beautiful
20:30 < kanzure> did you write all his math in LaTeX
20:30 < jonathan__> I used one of those plastic drafting thingies to draw the circuits
20:31 < jonathan__> this was real-time, in class
20:32 < kanzure> sure, my notes were real-time too. but i didn't have the testicular foresight to write everything in LaTeX. this was pre-TeX for me.
20:32 < jonathan__> hmm not worth it
20:32 < jonathan__> I later scanned in all my notes
20:32 < jonathan__> most people throw them all away, right
20:33 < jonathan__> super cool doodles too
20:33 < jonathan__> can latex do doodles?  maybe not!
20:33 < kanzure> i don't feel qualified to answer that
20:33 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: you write latex, right?
20:33 < gradstudentbot> The paper was rejected.
20:34 < jonathan__> geez it would be cake to be a student today
20:34 < kanzure> when i was in school, laptops in every class was stigmatized. but now..
20:34 < jonathan__> digital textbook, first.    second, scan all notes, and notes of all prior classmates, and exams
20:34 < kanzure> unfortunately most textbook publishers are huge assholes and there aren't any digital versions. if you're lucky, maybe you can pirate one or two.
20:34 < jonathan__> imagine, the entire system is built on security by obscurity of prior years' exams
20:35 < kanzure> not always
20:35 < jonathan__> I scanned in some textbooks by just buying them, scanning them, returning them.
20:36 < jonathan__> the old fashioned way.
20:39 < jonathan__> ran into a guy this afternoon with a music streaming company.  he explained the payment model for streaming music via i-app.  textbooks should be like that too.
20:40 < kanzure> i-app is what? in-app purchases?
20:40 < jonathan__> ipad iphone ithing app
20:40 < jonathan__> music streaming has different royalty models.
20:41 < jonathan__> "non-interactive play" lets say, is much cheaper (like pandora etc)
20:41 < jonathan__> can enjoy the current stream or skip ahead.  can't go back.   most textbook usage is like that.
20:41 < jonathan__> can't replay more than x times in a row. etc.
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21:14 < kanzure> Juul: hi
21:14 < kanzure> jonathan__: there he is
21:15 < gradstudentbot> I just want a 9 to 5 job.
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21:26 < jonathan__> I am wondering what the drew endy lab is up to these days
21:28 < jonathan__> juul: any interesting stories?
21:38 < brownies> yes, latex can do drawings
21:39 < brownies> and "kids these days" have most of their textbooks in digital format
21:39 < brownies> at least, the ones that can afford it, and whose schools can afford it, and so on.
21:46 < jonathan__> did you see LA county school district went 100% ipad and 0% textbook
21:46 < jonathan__> 30 mil $
21:47 < brownies> i did not see that, but that is really cool
21:48 < jonathan__> the quote said "we picked the lowest cost option"  lol
21:49 < jonathan__> textbooks are a scam
21:49 < jonathan__> the textbook review process for univ's has been shown to be a farce
21:51 < brownies> many textbooks are bad. there are some good ones out there, but they are definitely in the minority.
21:55 < jonathan__> "Here's How People Reacted When They Learned They Were Eating Breast Milk Lollipops"
21:55 < jonathan__> spot the uber nerd among the half dozen cuties...  obviously the odd guy out    http://www.businessinsider.com/breast-milk-lollipop-reactions-2013-6
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22:00 < jonathan__> ain't nothin wrong with a uni-brow is there?
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22:32 < Juul> hi kanzure
22:32 < Juul> jonathan__, i'm not at endy lab right now. temporarily lost my work permit
22:32 < Juul> i'll be back in a few months
22:32 < Juul> haven't visited for a bit
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22:39 < jonathan__> what was the last stuff going on?
22:39 < jonathan__> still working on biobricks?
22:39 < jonathan__> or given up?
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