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06:57 < kanzure> "I saw your comments about http://sci-hub.org/ site. I used this site before but there is a problem now. When I request an article or DOI, that site show me a donate page. How can I access my scientific articles. Do you know some other sites like that."
06:58 < kanzure> new redirect is to http://boxuesky.com/
06:58 < kanzure> http://boxuesky.com/forum-508-1.html
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06:59 < kanzure> haha they are charging $150-$600 for the passwords, http://boxuesky.com/thread-105248-1-1.html
06:59 < gradstudentbot> She keeps talking about her Nature paper, but she was only third author.
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08:25 < chris_99> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1677943140/send-your-own-pocket-spacecraft-on-a-mission-to-th
08:27 < kanzure> hasn't kickstarter been discredited by now, as a place that one shouldn't link to, or something
08:28 < chris_99> has it?
08:29 < kanzure> most of the projects are boring and have little upside to literally everyone except the project owners
08:30 < kanzure> and even if you get your fancypants one-off plastic piece of junk, the project owner still benefits disproportionately
08:32 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it's the new grad student's fault.
08:34 < chris_99> hmm i see what you mean
08:39 < ThomasEgi> yet another fill-space-with-litter project?
08:40 < chris_99> fill-the-moon-with-rubbish ;)
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10:01 < streety> how is disproportionate benefit calculated?
10:06 < Guest62567> 10.1177/01461672992512006
10:07 < Guest62567> doi://10.1177/01461672992512006
10:07 < Guest62567> doi:10.1177/01461672992512006
10:07 < Guest62567> @paperbot doi:10.1177/01461672992512006
10:08 < Guest62567> paperbot http://psp.sagepub.com/content/25/9/1126.full.pdf
10:08 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4691c9a16b557e8070591f7bbb645423.pdf
10:10 < Guest62567> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23209153
10:10 < Guest62567> sorry just testing paperbot
10:10 < Guest62567> paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23209153
10:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/addfea1ade7b8115e367f1ee01c15f2f.txt
10:11 < Guest62567> paperbot doi:10.1101/cshperspect.a011528.
10:12 < Guest62567> paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/cshperspect.a011528.
10:12 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ba55cc39331d3d37d36c135ba23acef9.txt
10:12 < Guest62567> paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028213006158
10:12 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20call%20for%20institutional%20policies%20on%20postmortem%20sperm%20retrieval%20.txt
10:14 < Guest62567> paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=271326&_user=125795&_pii=S0015028213006158&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=04-Jun-2013&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLbVBA-zSkzk&md5=dcd2cf57732d6f939dbe8d6b714daf04&pid=1-s2.0-S0015028213006158-main.pdf
10:14 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5d24f834be2583ff6d8f5e2ff4bd1df3.txt
10:15 < Guest62567> paperbot http://ac.els-cdn.com/S0015028213006158/1-s2.0-S0015028213006158-main.pdf
10:15 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c1d2d35cdd9e46bf6a4cb41e7ce6490f.txt
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15:24 < skyLotus> Is there a directory of papers that paperbot has collected somewhere?
15:25 < skyLotus> !paperbot
15:25 < chris_99> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/
15:26 < skyLotus> oh awesome, going to look through some of them
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18:33 < kanzure> skyLotus: yes?
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19:44 < jonathan__> hm, electronic cigarettes are usb charged.
19:45 < jonathan__> if they're plugging into usb then why not upload some data too?
19:45 < yashgaroth> some of them do
19:45 < gradstudentbot> How many papers do you have published?
19:46 < yashgaroth> well at least one of them, http://www.joyetech.com/product/eVic.php
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21:17 < jonathan__> "Authorities in the Colombian capital Bogota are asking teenagers to look after robotic babies, to help them understand what it takes to be a parent. "
21:17 < jonathan__> great, robot zombie babies
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21:20 < delinquentme> immunological self-tolerance
21:20 < Adifex> They've done that before in the U.S, I remember hearing about people carrying around dolls
21:20 < delinquentme> this is where cells can self-recognize and not ... immuno destroy
21:23 < jonathan__> often kids carry around raw eggs.    I guess this means eggs are more expensive than robot dolls.
21:23 < jonathan__> and, let's make sure everyone in civilized countries are discouraged from having kids.
21:24 < Adifex> China's working-age population began shrinking last year
21:24 < Adifex> Life expectancy has increased by 30 years in the last 50
21:25 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00292648#page-1
21:25 < Adifex> The one-child policy is apparently being quietly phased out
21:25 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Is%20happiness%20relative%3F.pdf
21:25 < jonathan__> gads
21:26 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00574620?LI=true
21:26 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/New%20publications.pdf
21:27 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1010072010360#page-1
21:27 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20Four%20Qualities%20of%20Life.pdf
21:27 < Adifex> The last place that might need a bit of population control is africa, everywhere else is already getting too old
21:27 < Adifex> And in africa population control can simply be acheived by increasing the survivability of the babies, so people have less
21:27 < Adifex> vaccines, etc.
21:27 < Adifex> Then things should stabilize
21:27 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01078732#page-1
21:28 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Is%20happiness%20a%20trait%3F.pdf
21:28 < jonathan__> there is no need for population control
21:28 < jonathan__> there is no lack of resources in the world.  only lack of efficient distribution.
21:28 < jonathan__> if there were a lack of resources the world would not be growing corn only to turn it into fuel instead of food.
21:29 < jonathan__> there's no lack of real estate either.  texas is mostly empty for example.
21:29 < Adifex> You're right - in the case of africa, there isn't a need for fewer babies as much as there's a need to get the life expectancy up.
21:29 < jonathan__> just give out free condoms.   really it is a ploy to discourage having sex.
21:30 < jonathan__> have a training class where everyone is given condoms and told to go have sex with them.
21:30 < jonathan__> problem solved.
21:30 < jonathan__> affluence naturally reduces number & habit of conceiving so they say
21:31 < jonathan__> it's quite a bizarre message isn't it?   "stay in school don't have kids"   well wouldn't it be better to have kids young when the eggs are fresh?
21:32 < jonathan__> instead of pressuring women to wait until they're 42 yo and on the brink of odd medical-pregnancy problems?
21:32 < gradstudentbot> Why did I go to grad school?
21:32 < Adifex> autism incidence increases, as do other things.
21:33 < Adifex> You just have to take your savants with your older mothers I guess :D
21:33 < jonathan__> gradstudentbot, you went to grad school in order to meet girls.
21:33 < gradstudentbot> I lost my pipette.
21:33 < jonathan__> how come autism has supposedly increased over time?  or has it?
21:34 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01078732#page-1
21:34 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Is%20happiness%20a%20trait%3F.pdf
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21:35 < kanzure> jonathan__: i don't see why more women aren't saving eggs when young
21:36 < kanzure> surrogacy is a wonderful tool as it is
21:36 < jonathan__> that paper isn't correct...  grabbed the wrong link?
21:37 < jonathan__> I suggested to some women in my younger years that they should save eggs ....  lets just say that this was not a good topic of discussion.
21:38 < jonathan__> the 3-way IVF could be an interesting twist
21:38 < jonathan__> "too old?  too grey?  don't worry, let us do a clinical 3-way on you with some young stud!"
21:39 < jonathan__> I dunno if you know any mormons but they stuff they believe is truly *wacko*  master-race type stuff
21:39 < Adifex> Two heterosexual parents: the classic way to do things. Two gay parents: the new way to do things. Three parents? hm...
21:39 < gradstudentbot> The gel is streaking.
21:39 < jonathan__> I am undecided if two same-sex parents are a good or bad thing.
21:40 < jonathan__> mostly I think it is bad.
21:40 < kanzure> jonathan__: yeah, that particular topic of conversation didn't invoke hostile comments from them, but they looked at me like i was spekaing of incomprehensible magic
21:40 < yashgaroth> why
21:40 < kanzure> jonathan__: "why would that situation ever possibly apply to me??"
21:41 < jonathan__> there is already a horrible process of forming role models for kids today.   let's take boys as an example.  can't see a good strong role model in fathers already.   and now they're going to have 2 mothers?   Cant be good.
21:41 < kanzure> takes a village, etc
21:41 < crw> ^
21:41 < jonathan__> yes exactly, it takes a village
21:42 < kanzure> insert additional platitudes here
21:42 < kanzure> anecdotal argumentation: begin!
21:42 < crw> figure until there are no more orphans, probably good to have extra couples around that can't procreate on their own
21:42 < jonathan__> so the same sex thing is just prolonging the bizarre nuclear structure again
21:43 < yashgaroth> secret supersoldier programs always need more orphans
21:43 < crw> meh, they can make-do with clones
21:43 < jonathan__> there are plenty of parents looking for adoptees
21:43 < kanzure> jonathan__: yes, it is bizarre that lgbt propogate the nuclear family concept, even though they are supposed to be into alternatives
21:43 < kanzure> jonathan__: but, people are allowed to be hypocrites in their relationship structures
21:44 < kanzure> oh god i have become an apologist
21:44 < kanzure> something is worng. i should sleep.
21:45 < kanzure> *wrong
21:45 < jonathan__> paperbot http://repub.eur.nl/res/pub/7199/
21:45 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Is%20life%20getting%20better%3F%20%3A%20how%20long%20and%20happy%20people%20live%20in%20modern%20society.pdf
21:46 < crw> it's still early in societal acceptance of lgbt couples, keeping nuclear is just practical
21:46 < kanzure> huh?
21:46 < kanzure> why should i enforce nuclear structures on other people?
21:47 < kanzure> also, off-topic politics should be ban/kick-worthy but i am too tired to care. bad politics is always kickworthy. i'll leave it up to one of the other ops.
21:47 < jonathan__> this journal makes me question my career path    http://www.springer.com/social+sciences/wellbeing+%26+quality-of-life/journal/10902
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21:47 < crw> not saying you should, just offering a potential explanation for those who make that choice
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21:48 < jonathan__> send them to australia like they used to do with prisoners back in the day!
21:48 < Adifex> Australia could use more thunder down under, you're right
21:49 < jonathan__> what the world needs is a biobrick for happiness eh  http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-010-9652-2#page-1
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21:53 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10519-009-9287-7
21:53 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Genetic%20and%20Environmental%20Influences%20on%20Optimism%20and%20its%20Relationship%20to%20Mental%20and%20Self-Rated%20Health%3A%20A%20Study%20of%20Aging%20Twins.pdf
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21:57 < jonathan__> "heritability of 25% for optimism in a study of 500 twin pairs. "
21:57 < jonathan__> gradstudentbot are you optomistic?
21:57 < gradstudentbot> I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself.
21:57 <@yashgaroth> man gradstudentbot is perfect sometimes
21:58 < gradstudentbot> People have tried that, but it doesn't seem to work.
21:58 < jonathan__> HA
21:59 < jonathan__> this prof's entire job is researching how to be happy.   how sad.
22:00 <@yashgaroth> tenure does funny things to a person
22:00 < jonathan__> "Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism are three main classic Chinese
22:00 < jonathan__> philosophy schools, which all deal with the question of how one should live. In this
22:00 < jonathan__> paper, we first review these ancient recommendations and next consider whether
22:00 < jonathan__> they promise a happy life in present-day society."
22:01 < jonathan__> conclusion
22:01 < jonathan__> "Classic Confucianist advice appears to be the most apt for finding happiness"
22:02 < jonathan__> see, he didn't even bother to study hedonism.  poor controls.
22:03 < Adifex> hahaha
22:03 < Adifex> Look up CCARE at Stanford, they do a lot of research with happiness
22:03 < jonathan__> "These findings suggest that people thrive well in modern society and hence we
22:03 < jonathan__> should think again before we follow Taoistic advice to turn away from civilization. "
22:03 < Adifex> A whole lab. Also has some sort of association with the Dalai Lama
22:03 < jonathan__> gradstudentbot, this paper better make me happy or i'm off the project.
22:03 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, but his PI wrote his dissertation.
22:04 < jonathan__> I'd never trust stanford researchers in that realm
22:04 < jonathan__> they're already a bunch of hippy tree hugging freako's
22:04 < jonathan__> democrats the lot of em
22:04 <@yashgaroth> stanford's pretty straight laced, you must be thinking of berkeley
22:05 < jonathan__> "Yet at age 62, college graduates appeared to be little happier than women with some college education or those who had stopped at a high-school education "    PROVEN!
22:10 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FB%3AJOHS.0000005771.22194.08?LI=true#page-1
22:10 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Notions%20of%20Art-of-Living.pdf
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22:12 < jonathan__> ah, here's his hedonism paper.  LOL
22:12 < jonathan__> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FB%3AJOHS.0000005719.56211.fd
22:12 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Hedonism%20and%20Happiness.pdf
22:15 < jonathan__> PROVEN: smoking does not make people happy.  pbbt
22:20 < jonathan__> paperbot http://psychsocgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/66B/6/665.full.pdf+html
22:20 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Finding%20the%20Key%20to%20Happy%20Aging%3A%20A%20Day%20Reconstruction%20Study%20of%20Happiness.pdf
22:20 < jonathan__> paperbot, you make me happy
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22:53 < alusion> http://vimeo.com/46264514
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23:17 < abetusk> has anyone seen "Plug and Pray"?
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23:33 < alusion> Do any of you know Ben Goertzel
23:51 < ziwbra> hi
23:51 < ziwbra> what about Ben Goertzel
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23:55 < alusion> I just learned that he lives in Rockville :D
23:55  * alusion watches vid about oled
23:56 < ziwbra> rockville is your town?
23:56 < alusion> nope, but it's near.
23:58 < ziwbra> he has a daughter who is about 10 now
23:59 < alusion> high school
23:59 < ziwbra> no way
23:59 < ziwbra> she was 9 last time she made an appearance
23:59 < alusion> 97
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