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00:01 < jonathan__> it's the JOURNALISTS who are as much at fault as anyone in the igem/biobrick lameness
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00:02 < jonathan__> they fail to do any objective and investigative reporting to discover that biobricks DO NOT WORK and instead publish stories and articles about how 15 year olds are "solving cancer" or whatever.
00:03 < jonathan__> which is why I told the journalist who came to austin and wanted to talk to me to basically go talk to the real star of bio, i.e. the PI of the lab, not a bunch of punks
00:03 < jonathan__> guess what... she DIDNT..
00:04 < jonathan__> most of diybio is hype and marketing and that is not a bad thing
00:05 < jonathan__> the world needs more open discussion about GMO and zombie creating viruses to come to terms with biotech before anyone freaks out and everything is really made illegal to do.  That is the real purpose of diybio and the real purpose of iGEM, it's called Public Outreach and it is doing a great job and Drew Endy deserves a lot of congratulations on that point, for sticking his neck way out there and taking the risk with flaky tech
00:05 < jonathan__> to put the public and the bio institution into a different mode of operation.
00:06 < jonathan__> case in point, he gets a lot of flack for this non-working technology, there's even some web site about how he's never done anything meaningful in bio at all or whatever.   Not all tech has to work to be a game changer.
00:07 < jonathan__> biobricks has been part of what has changed the game.
00:07 < jonathan__> 'game' meaning in this sense, the meme in the bio institutions.
00:08 < jonathan__> correciton, not changed yet, but slowly changing and making the change more rapid, i.e. innovating.
00:08 < jonathan__> No Thanks to the journalists.
00:11 < jonathan__> the true valid complaint is how, due to the "false prestige", the stuff surrounding synbio and biobricks has been able to whittle $$$ funding $$$ away from perhaps more valid (and possibly legitimate / successful) bio projects.   That is the real contention.   But that's only a big problem because NIH funding of bio is so ridiculously small.   Compared to, say, some dumb Nth robot sent to mars to look for new types of rocks or
00:11 < jonathan__> billions spent on the Nth particle accellerator to smash yet another set of particles in search of absolutely Nothing Useful meanwhile cancer still has no solution today.
00:12 < jonathan__> if there's any complaints about biobricks or etc it should be blamed on NIH and funding problems of biotech esp. emerging tech, not about how such-and-such floundering tech is lame or doesn't work...   well..  throw some money at it, attract smarter people, then slowly people will get it working.  Until biologists learn not to want to pipette all day "because they enjoy it", there won't be much innovation.
00:12 < jonathan__> end rant.
00:13 < jonathan__> now you can go on about your business lol
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01:42 < nmz787_> yashgaroth and since he's not here kanzure please mention this: do you think it's easily in reach to transform the cells that end up becoming/extruding fingernails and/or hair? GFP nails/hair would be the proof of concept, but there are plenty of compounds that are worth $ in milligram quantities. Caffeinated finger nails somehow...
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02:58 < archels> RIP Douglas Engelbart
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03:03 < heath> http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110810/full/news.2011.472.html
03:03 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Cell%20therapy%20fights%20leukaemia.pdf
03:03 < heath> http://americablog.com/2013/06/hiv-being-used-to-cure-cancer-leukemia.html
03:03 < heath> news article two years later of this therapy in trial ^
03:04 < heath> so if i order pathogens, i'm a terrorist?
03:06 < heath> solution: partner with a nearby lab
03:07 < heath> http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/root/vumc.php?site=cfar over here
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03:18 < heath> synthetic genomics started Agradis
03:18 < heath> Agradis was acquired by Monsanto in January of this year
03:18 < heath> random fact of the wee hours ^
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08:13 < jonathan___> max
08:13 < jonathan___> max
08:13 < jonathan___> max
08:14 < jonathan___> "PLOS Hubs: Clinical Trials. PLOS will shortly be retiring this publication. "
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08:39 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: backlog
08:40 < yashgaroth> rummaging through 'em
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08:40 < yashgaroth> another one of my co-workers left for synthetic genomics yesterday
08:41 < chris_99> anyone cryogenically frozen yeast per chance?  i'm just wondering what the YEPD is for
08:41 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: hard to say no to $600 million
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08:42 < yashgaroth> she's doing QA for their dna synthesis I guess, though she has no idea about it
08:42 <@kanzure> haha
08:42 < yashgaroth> she's pretty good at QA though I guess
08:43 < yashgaroth> chris_99 YEPD is to keep the cells fed
08:43 < chris_99> why do they need feeding if they're @ -80C though?
08:43 < yashgaroth> it's for while they're being frozen, and while they're thawing afterward
08:43 < chris_99> aha gotcha
08:44 < chris_99> one other thing, vortexing, does just mean centrifuging right?
08:44 < yashgaroth> oh hell no
08:45 < yashgaroth> vortexers are more like vibrators
08:45 < chris_99> oh!
08:46 < yashgaroth> it's for resuspending pellets and general mixing
08:46 < chris_99> would an orbital shaker be a 'vortexer'
08:46 < jonathan___> hm, does that mean a vibrator can be substituted for a vortexer
08:46 < chris_99> lol
08:46 < jonathan___> that's an interesting diy twist for the journalists
08:46 < yashgaroth> vortexers are a hundred times faster than orbital shakers
08:47 < jonathan___> "nobel prize laureate used adult vibrator in garage experiments to do his early work"
08:47 < chris_99> haha
08:48 < jonathan___> mr. max I got an email from joe that "all the equip" including the PC's "needed to be moved around"
08:48 < yashgaroth> well at least he's warning us this time
08:48 < jonathan___> so I'm assuming reorganizing stuff will be on the list of busy work
08:49 < yashgaroth> to be fair there are a bunch of benches now to put stuff on
08:49 < jonathan___> it wasn't really advanced warning it was a reply to my email saying "dont move those PCs"
08:49 < yashgaroth> oh haha
08:49 < jonathan___> so, whatever, I told him just do whatever he needs to do....
08:50 < jonathan___> dont let me get in the way of progress.... so to speak
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08:53 < jonathan___> "Using a bridge rectifier($0.30) one can basically use AC mains voltage to
08:53 < jonathan___> run your gel electrophoresis. You can buy all the components for under $5.
08:53 < jonathan___> I tested it out and it works great."   ---> Freakin dude wants to kill himself
08:54 < yashgaroth> why what would that do
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08:54 < yashgaroth> oh it just straight up converts ac to dc?
08:55 < chris_99> yup
08:56 < jonathan___> oh but don't worry bryan is sure that diybio isn't full of script kiddies
08:57 < jonathan___> that idea is basically like telling an electrical engineer: "I love visual basic look at my kiddie script" with the added bonus of fatality
08:57 <@kanzure> i never said they weren't script kiddies
09:00 < yashgaroth> nmz787_ I'd imagine transforming nail-forming cells would be difficult since they're not really soft tissue, hair perhaps easier, but it depends how you define 'within reach'
09:00 < yashgaroth> also guessing it's inspired by that article about gfp-producing silkworms
09:01 < yashgaroth> and also please clarify caffeinated fingernails
09:01 <@kanzure> you would probably have better chance coming up with a nail paint that had caffeine in it
09:02 < yashgaroth> some of the women at work were discussing a magnetic fingernail paint where you apply it and then hold a magnet under your finger and it makes 'cool patterns'
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09:02 < yashgaroth> I don't think caffeine would really diffuse across a fingernail though
09:03 < chris_99> sort of like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field_viewing_film yashgaroth?
09:03 < yashgaroth> probably, and then I believe it cures in the shape
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09:07 < jonathan___> That type of post is what the FAQ is supposed to squash
09:07 < jonathan___> raise the level of discourse, yo.
09:08 < jonathan___> every newbie in the world apparently thinks they can go off and register a domain do-synbio-at-home.com and post cheesy script kiddie stuff to it's blog.
09:15 < jonathan___> "Make sure all the components are covered before you plug it in to prevent spectacular shorts and electrocution. I used duct tape because I am cheap and simple."  --->  OH yea that'll really work too, not.
09:16 < yashgaroth> not even electrical tape?
09:17 < jonathan___> duct tape is sometimes conductive!
09:17 < jonathan___> certainly not rated for 120V
09:17 < jonathan___> and certainly does not do well in a wet lab
09:17 < jonathan___> geez
09:17 < jonathan___> I am smacking my forehead right now
09:17 < jonathan___> "a Graduate Student in Biochemistry and Biophysics at the University of Chicago "  ---> Should know better!
09:18 < jonathan___> at least do a literature search, there's plenty of warnings about what not to do.  or even a google search.   well whatever...
09:19 < jonathan___> I guess I should just write up my circuit and publish it anywhere and everywhere so these simple mistakes are squashed for good or something.
09:20 < jonathan___> but that assumes people will actually do 10 minutes of homework first.
09:33 <@kanzure> jonathan___: btw i'd be willing to pay you to do things like that. probably.
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09:37 < jonathan___> I'll do it for $50/hour.
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09:40 <@kanzure> jonathan___: sold
09:41 <@kanzure> jonathan___: i wont ask for writeups of project proposals, but i will ask for guestimates and project descriptions
09:43 < jonathan___> cash only
09:43 <@kanzure> meh okay
09:44 < jonathan___> net 15 days payment
09:44 <@kanzure> fair. but let's skip to the interesting stuff.
09:45 < jonathan___> ok deal
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09:46 <@kanzure> haha it's not really a deal yet because (1) no signatures and (2) scope
09:49 < jonathan___> scope doesn't matter you agreed to hourly rate with no max cap, lol I win ;-D
09:51 < jonathan___> signature is a legal formality if you plan on contract dispute which is a lame waste of time anyway.
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09:53 < jonathan___> what this room needs is a pair of grant writers
09:53 <@kanzure> pair?
09:53 <@kanzure> why n=2?
09:53 < jonathan___> yea so they can disagree then come to a conclusion
09:53 < jonathan___> amazingly there was a grant writer who showed up to the carlsbad lab meet
09:53 < jonathan___> what a great resource
09:54 <@kanzure> what do grant writers look like? pocket protector nerds?
09:54 < jonathan___> unfortunately a resource never used
09:54 < jonathan___> the grant writers Ive known have been female
09:54 < jonathan___> office lady type
09:54 <@kanzure> why is the stereotype that gradstudentbots write the grants themselves with their PIs?
09:54 <@kanzure> wait..
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09:55 < xl0> Guys, why are you in h+, and not in diybio?
09:55 < jonathan___> Ummm I think the grad students wrote proposals
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09:55 <@kanzure> xl0: because the topics are very similar, and this happens to be more active of a channel
09:55 < jonathan___> the proposals go to the grant writer who then polishes and frames it and picks where it can be sent.
09:56 <@kanzure> jonathan___: do universities have staff grant writers? or is this only contracting/defense agency corps?
09:56 < brownies> gradstudentbot: what do you think about that?
09:56 < gradstudentbot> I haven't written the abstract.
09:56 < jonathan___> well diybio channel is for talking about bizarre fetishes with flies and shrimp and stuff
09:57 < jonathan___> Ummm are we clocking this time or is it off the clock.  lol
09:57 < jonathan___> so I dated this one hottie grant writer at UCLA once
09:57 < xl0> I mean, I don't see the pop-sci link cross-post spam, let's implant an arduino and freeze ourselfs to wake up in the future crap that I'm used to associate with transhumanists.
09:57 < xl0> This is basically #diybio, just the name is wrong.
09:57 < jonathan___> clarification we dated not just once but only one time was it someone at UCLA
09:58 <@kanzure> there is nothing about pop-sci in here
09:58 <@kanzure> pop-sci is explicitly banned
09:58 <@kanzure> arduinos are popular but they actually work, so i don't think that's a fair connection
09:58 < jonathan___> diybio is for discussing script kiddie technology
09:58 <@kanzure> i mean, you can make much better choices than an arduino
09:59 <@kanzure> jonathan___: the diybio channel is empty and always has been. so people just go here instead.
09:59 < jonathan___> we don't need to freeze ourselves to see the future beause we are creating it now
09:59 < xl0> I'm more concerned with people implanting stuff in their hands for the sake of it. ;)
09:59 <@kanzure> xl0: sure, we hate those fuckers too
09:59 <@kanzure> just because it's a magnet doesn't mean it's a good idea
09:59 < jonathan___> anyways I'm pretty sure every major institution Univ or biz will have one/more grant writers
10:00 <@kanzure> jonathan___: so, i'm curious why i didn't abuse the staff grant writers while i was at university
10:00 <@kanzure> jonathan___: maybe they were hidden
10:00 < jonathan___> well because you overlooked it
10:00 <@kanzure> "Hello, is this the office of making me big bucks?"
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10:00 < jonathan___> lets see, a dedicated resource whose sole job is to seek, find, win money from other people
10:01 < xl0> Btw, how do I add a new group to the diybio map? Editing the google map does not seem to work.
10:01 < jonathan___> ut austin also had a whole team of people for patent licensing
10:01 <@kanzure> xl0: you add it to http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups
10:01 <@kanzure> xl0: their map is incomplete. this list seems to be more comprehensive.
10:02 < jonathan___> it's great to be smart in technology but what techies often forget is that there's a whole lot of stuff going on just purely based on paper
10:02 < xl0> Yeah, but the other one is the one people see first.
10:02 < xl0> I mean, http://diybio.org/local/
10:02 <@kanzure> there used to be a screenshot floating around about how to edit that map
10:02 < jonathan___> I mean, wars (all types including technology marketplace competition) is really won with paper in many cases
10:02 <@kanzure> imo it was too complicated. it involved clicking like 20 buttons.
10:03 <@kanzure> all i want to do is just edit a file and make it work.
10:04 < xl0> Seen it, tried twice. Maybe did somethig wrong.
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10:06 <@kanzure> xl0: you can file an angry email complaint to diybio@googlegroups.com
10:06 < xl0> Nah, I'll just ask nicely.
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10:06 < jonathan___> bryan maybe you should get a grant writer girlfriend too
10:07 < jonathan___> then you can get the inside scoop
10:07 <@kanzure> yeah let's just search okcupid for grant writer
10:07 < jonathan___> the old social engineering gambit
10:07 <@kanzure> in fact.. now i'm curious.
10:07 < jonathan___> nah that's too hard
10:08 < jonathan___> just find the places where the grant writers are and chat them up
10:09 < jonathan___> i guess if you want to be cold about it you could post hiring ads for grant writers and use the interview as a 1 hour consulting session
10:10 < jonathan___> that kind of prevents you from getting it on though.
10:10 <@kanzure> nah, there's the whole forbidden boss ting
10:10 <@kanzure> *thing
10:10 <@kanzure> i wonder if the grant writing market is saturated in terms of employees
10:10 <@kanzure> i.e. are they cheap?
10:11 < jonathan___> compared to....
10:11 <@kanzure> i guess i should go lookup salary expectations for grant writers
10:11 < jonathan___> typical office worker wages
10:12 <@kanzure> http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/grant-writer-salary-SRCH_KO0,12.htm
10:12 <@kanzure> 33k-50k hahah
10:12 <@kanzure> great
10:12 < jonathan___> we're talking sociology majors and english majors here
10:12 < jonathan___> not science majors
10:12 <@kanzure> science majors are also paid p. low, btw
10:13 <@kanzure> but anyway, the idea is to get someone who has actually successfully got grant money, not fresh out of english major
10:13 < jonathan___> I bet there are some big spikes for grant writers because it often depends on social network not work quality
10:13 < jonathan___> I would look at it a different way
10:13 < jonathan___> SEO the grant process, thats what I've always wanted to look at
10:14 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=1f5d873f xl0: diybio-kiev
10:14 <@kanzure> seems hard to do analytics on grant writing because they are just pdfs and .doc files
10:14 < jonathan___> but it is seemingly difficult to get the grant proposals which "won"  vs lost
10:14 <@kanzure> although... if it's .doc, we could do a phone-home feature
10:14 <@kanzure> depending on how locked down their ms word setup is
10:14 < jonathan___> just manually analyze 100 of them
10:14 <@kanzure> we don't have 100
10:14 < jonathan___> need the DATA first
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10:15 < jonathan___> 100 which won and 100 which lost
10:15 < jonathan___> no english major is going to ever do that type of analysis except their "intuition" which is mistaken at best
10:15 <@kanzure> i think defense corps probably do that sort of analysis
10:15 < jonathan___> i.e.  the grant writers themselves will not know which ones will be successful or how to optimize the problem.
10:16 < jonathan___> maybe, but that's a different ype of grant.   I mean NIH or whatever
10:16 < jonathan___> heck even gates foundation.  that would be great to look at.
10:16 <@kanzure> NIH grants are worthless, NIH is just losing money and funding constantly.
10:16 < jonathan___> that could be an instant nyt best seller:  how to win grants from xyz foundation
10:16 <@kanzure> didn't their budget just get caught in half?
10:16 <@kanzure> nyt best sellers are really easy to get, that's not a hard goal -_-
10:16 < jonathan___> who cares, the grants still won... somehow
10:17 < gradstudentbot> We were out of the right dye, so I just used an equivalent.
10:17 < jonathan___> there's plenty of myths about what makes a good grant vs unacceptable grant.
10:17 <@kanzure> is that so?
10:17 < jonathan___> I doubt any of these myths have been validated against data
10:17 <@kanzure> which myths?
10:17 < jonathan___> google it
10:18 < jonathan___> there is tons on this topic
10:18 < jonathan___> all those english majors like to write articles about how to write their articles becuase at least they get paid for pretending to know what they're doing.
10:19 < jonathan___> geez one of the dudes at the carlsbad lab was suggesting that grants nowadays need to include marketing-hype-photos of the lab with "action shots of postdocs working"
10:20 < jonathan___> they even did a freakin *photo shoot* at the lab and mocked up a bunch of "work"
10:20 <@kanzure> he did a photo shoot at carlsbad?
10:20 <@kanzure> are you sure he didn't say "marketing campaign" and not "grant"?
10:20 < jonathan___> yes it is unbelievable, that is "how science happens"
10:21 < jonathan___> I am talking about a real, honest to goodness, grant application for real technology
10:21 < jonathan___> grey area between marketing campaign and grant..
10:21 < jonathan___> this was a guy with a real startup co.  and real startup team.
10:21 <@kanzure> grants just seem like a losing game because there's only, what, $5B in available grant money, and >500k people writing grants?
10:22 < jonathan___> well... why do PI's hate each other?  lol
10:22 <@kanzure> seems hyper-competitive
10:22 <@kanzure> not worth the trouble, etc.
10:22 <@kanzure> gotta pick the right battles
10:22 < jonathan___> dude isn't it BBQ time in austin?
10:22 < jonathan___> don't you have some dead animal flesh to burn?
10:22 <@kanzure> i had my bbq delivered to me. the american way. while i watch superhero movies.
10:23 < jonathan___> gates foundation is a good deal to get if it can be landed.
10:23 < jonathan___> 1st round is fat, 2nd round is gravy
10:23 <@kanzure> btw from my peers i hear that it's pretty easy to get grants foundation money.
10:23 <@kanzure> 1-2 pages of text => $100k in grant money => year later get 500k-2M.
10:23 < jonathan___> ha, mine did not fly, but thats cause I didn't know how to write a proposal at all
10:23 <@kanzure> uh
10:23 <@kanzure> *gates foundation
10:24 < jonathan___> you know it's like anything else.  even the font you pick will separate the clueless from the clued-in
10:25 < jonathan___> obviously basic things like horrible grammar would be a red flag, right. "dont give this guy any money at all"   same with other things like how the 2 graphs are presented or whatever
10:25 < jonathan___> even in 2 pages it is easy to mess it up
10:26 < jonathan___> SEO is easy, right.   grants are the same thing just gotta know the rules.
10:26 < jonathan___> also separate the fake rules from the real rules.
10:28 < jonathan___> Ok I gotta get my veggies ready for the BBQ
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10:44 < brownies> have you guys actually applied for grants?
10:44 < brownies> because it's more like 20 pages + spreadsheets, not 2 pages of bullshit
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10:49 < jonathan___> read up on the gates foundation, you are incorrect
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11:04 < jonathan___> Guys I have a great plan!   let's implant an arduino and freeze ourselfs to wake up in the future!
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11:08 < jonathan___> "The teenage scientist revolutionising cancer detection"   http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130701-perfecting-early-cancer-detection   "Pancreatic cancer 's high death rate is partly blamed on the difficulty of early detection. Teenage scientist Jack Andraka has come up with a cheap and simple way to test for it. "
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11:09 <@kanzure> maybe we should ban news links
11:11 < jonathan___> "the existing test is based on elisa ....    overall it is a really crappy test. "   LOL
11:11 < jonathan___> well the dude should be celebrated
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11:12 < jonathan___> obviously fought hard to get any work done and ta da, eventually gained Real Lab Access
11:13 < jonathan___> rather than complaining about not being able to get this or that or yadda yadda
11:13 <@kanzure> "real lab access" is not hard to achieve. this is like celebrating an undergrad for being exploited to wash dishes.
11:13 < jonathan___> he'd probably look at diybio and say "well damn those guys are a bunch of crappy script kiddies, get me out of here" lol
11:14 < jonathan___> who cares, he got his access to do what he wants
11:14 < jonathan___> I'd only worry about the univ. claiming IP rights to his work
11:14 < jonathan___> that's the real danger
11:15 < jonathan___> "it's just a complete divergence from the current ideas"   OMG he's the poster child for disruption lol
11:17 < jonathan___> I just wish there were lasers in his project.  he's got the nanotubes already.   oh yea and he needs to mention string theory.  :-D
11:18 <@kanzure> why does he need to mention string theory?
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11:38 < jonathan___> Bring on the medical revolution : Jack Andraka at TEDxNijmegen 2013   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7_cDU7Idk
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12:02 < heath> [12:00:32] <kanzure> "Hello, is this the office of making me big bucks?"
12:02 < heath> :)
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12:02 < heath> [12:01:07] <xl0> Btw, how do I add a new group to the diybio map? Editing the google map does not seem to work.
12:02 < heath> jason bobe will do it for you
12:03 < heath> just send him a link of your group
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12:05 < heath> s/of/to
12:05 < heath> s/link/uri
12:07 < xl0> Ok, thanks.
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12:52 < jonathan___> "Race, Ethnicity, and NIH Research Awards"   "We investigated the association between a U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) R01 applicant’s self-identified race or ethnicity and the probability of receiving an award by using data from the NIH IMPAC II grant database, the Thomson Reuters Web of Science, and other sources. Although proposals with strong priority scores were equally likely to be funded regardless of race, 
12:52 < jonathan___> find that Asians are 4 percentage points and black or African-American applicants are 13 percentage points less likely to receive NIH investigator-initiated research funding compared with whites. "
12:53 < jonathan___> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6045/1015/F1.large.jpg
12:53 < jonathan___> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6045/1015/F2.large.jpg
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12:55 < jonathan___> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6045/1015/F3.large.jpg  "Effects of affiliation and previous research on R01 award probability. 1 to 30 and 31 to 100 NIH-funded institutions were derived by ranking institutions by NIH funding received FY 2000 to FY 2006."
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13:34 < delinquentme> <3
13:34 < delinquentme> Anyone in here familiar with scientific applications for C++ in code?
13:36 <@kanzure> that sounds incredibly vague
13:37 <@kanzure> "for C++ in code" ?
13:45 < ParahSail1n> lol
13:45 <@kanzure> ParahSail1n: play nice
13:46 < ParahSail1n> there is no scientific application for c++
13:46 < ParahSail1n> science applications are all in fortran
13:47 < chris_99> haha
13:47 < ParahSail1n> c++ has a global interpreter lock making it useful for numerical computation
13:47 < chris_99> what?!
13:47 < ParahSail1n> read the manpage
13:48 < chris_99> c++ isn't interpreted
13:48 < ParahSail1n> useless not useful
13:48 <@kanzure> chris_99: ParahSail1n is trolling
13:48 < chris_99> i gathered
13:49 < ParahSail1n> right, c++ is compiled, but the standard runtime library has a GIL
13:49 < chris_99> sure
13:50 < ParahSail1n> as it is written in fortran, but the limitations of the class system results in certain restrictions in behavior such as the GIL
13:50 < chris_99> does anyone use lua jit per chance?
13:51 < chris_99> GILs aren't a laughing matter ParahSai1in :P
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13:52 < ParahSail1n> seems the default settings of common windows pdf viewers do not by default execute arbitrary http get requests in the embedded js
13:53 <@kanzure> ParahSail1n: right, that used to be a vulnerability and they have plugged those holes
13:53 <@kanzure> i expect the open source pdf viewers never implemented javascript to that extent
13:53 <@kanzure> for instance, do any of the pdf viewers even use v8 for javascript?
13:53 <@kanzure> what the hell javascript engine is it?
13:54 < ParahSail1n> the other pdf viewers all use pdf.js to run embedded js
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13:55 <@kanzure> pdf.js is mozilla's pdf viewer, which runs in a browser.
13:55 < gradstudentbot> Nobody is even going to read this paper.
13:55 <@kanzure> that's not what i was asking :(
13:57 < ParahSail1n> right, the interpreter is turtles all the way down like pypy
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14:14 < chris_99> Google's MapReduce stuff is C++ delinquentme, that could be used for some pretty scientificy stuff
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15:42 < jonathan___> paperbot http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/20002015732.html;jsessionid=25AF8353B84EEC8F433995BA41E590E6
15:42 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ca53351db64a6a6c67478f665e69e875.txt
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15:50 < jonathan___> paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac60085a720?journalCode=ancham
15:50 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ARTHUR%20H.%20THOMAS%20COMPANY.txt
15:50 < jonathan___> poooooor paperbot
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16:04 < jonathan___> paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6329022
16:04 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ecc51d4c287f60c5facbe4210422b62f.txt
16:04 < jonathan___> dab nabbit
16:05 < jonathan___> paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0003269784903634
16:05 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/An%20economic%20power%20supply%20using%20a%20diode%20for%20agarose%20and%20polyacrylamide%20gel%20electrophoresis%20.txt
16:05 < jonathan___> paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0003269784903634
16:05 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/An%20economic%20power%20supply%20using%20a%20diode%20for%20agarose%20and%20polyacrylamide%20gel%20electrophoresis%20.txt
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18:05 <@kanzure> someone should make paperbot use sci-hub by default
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19:26 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00203/papers/1176005/11760386.pdf
19:26 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8a3b99087469cb09af4a269a5c7e6ba1.txt
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19:30 < ParaSa1lin> sci-hub blocking open proxies
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19:32 < kanzure_> ParaSa1lin: hrm. i wonder why.
19:32 < kanzure_> ParaSa1lin: if i have to make sci-hub myself then i'm gonna be pretty annoyed
19:34 < ParaSa1lin> might check if its not some problem localized to me
19:35 < ParaSa1lin> it says "ip banned. contact support@sci-hub.org for more information
19:35 < ParaSa1lin> ваш IP адрес заблокирован. электронная почта для связи support@sci-hub.org" on all the proxies i tried just now
19:39 < ParaSa1lin> either clever boris is a) trying to send americans a message that they can no longer freeload off of russia's sensible copyright regime or b) boycotting america over the nsa
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19:48 < kanzure_> ParaSa1lin: mention my name to them when you email them, they seem to like me for whatever dumb reason
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20:22 < cpopell> What's new, guys?
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21:58 < heath> the glowing tree project... where's the research behind that?
21:59 < kanzure_> it's like you almost ignore what we say in here
21:59 < heath> grr mr. kanzure_
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21:59 < kanzure_> you should look at the logs about that
22:03 < heath> not seeing a paper linked for any of the logs pertaining to the glowing plant project
22:03 < kanzure_> it was from a failed igem project
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22:06 < heath> there it is: 2013-05-09.log
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22:18 < jonathan___> "A US man has devoured 69 hot dogs, beating his own world record at an annual 4 July competition at Coney Island in New York."  -- sample this man's intestinal flora stat!
22:18 < kanzure_> we'll have to do a poop extraction
22:18 < yashgaroth> I think his flora have been replaced by hot dogs
22:19 < jonathan___> I assume they all gag themselves later
22:20 < jonathan___> well carlsbad lab is very fond of performing fecal transplants so maybe it will happen here
22:20 < jonathan___> maybe that is TMI
22:20 < jonathan___> erase erase
22:21 < yashgaroth> the infamous saturday night meetings
22:24 < jonathan___> this is a link to the genomic data of my microbiome, for real
22:24 < jonathan___> http://warehouse.personalgenomes.org/warehouse/154110ce62620ba073d18cdd382c5b49+82+K@ant/Mariposa_results.zip
22:25 < jonathan___> I think that link is the working one.
22:27 < jonathan___> inside the zip file is index.html
22:27 < gradstudentbot> So what's a credit score?
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22:28 < kanzure_> gradstudentbot: it's like writing a paper
22:28 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I read the paper, I just don't remember the details.
22:28 < kanzure_> gradstudentbot: not that paper
22:28 < gradstudentbot> The paper got rejected.
22:28 < kanzure_> gradstudentbot: you sure?
22:28 < gradstudentbot> The lab meeting was cancelled.
22:30 < jonathan___> these little buggers like me. k__Bacteria;  p__Firmicutes;  c__Clostridia;  o__Coriobacteriales
22:37 < jonathan___> ummm..  ahem..  many lives were lost to bring you this data.
22:37 < jonathan___> ( ... crickets ... )
22:55 < ParaSa1lin> what is that?
22:58 < ParaSa1lin> is that just microarray stuff?
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