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9780809089475: Amazon.com: Books 09:24 < heath> .title http://www.amazon.com/Cartoon-Guide-Genetics-Updated/dp/0062730991/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255046461&sr=1-1 09:24 < yoleaux> Amazon.com: The Cartoon Guide to Genetics (Updated Edition) (9780062730992): Larry Gonick, Mark Wheelis: Books 09:24 < heath> knew about the manga guide to molbio but didn't know about 09:24 < heath> .title http://www.amazon.com/Manga-Guide-Biochemistry-Masaharu-Takemura/dp/1593272766 09:24 < yoleaux> The Manga Guide to Biochemistry: Masaharu Takemura, Kikuyaro, Office Sawa: 9781593272760: Amazon.com: Books 09:25 < heath> Moyashimon is easily my favorite time waster 09:25 < heath> also, discovered this yesterday: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AA_tree 09:25 < kanzure> how do you not know of these 09:26 < heath> search trees for alcoholics of course 09:26 < chido> I think they have some of those at Biocurious 09:26 < kanzure> yes they do 09:26 < kanzure> but so does everyone else 09:26 < kanzure> the manga guide to biochemistry or genetics or w/e is basically cliche at this point :P 09:26 < kanzure> the manga guide to ##hplusroadmap 09:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 < heath> the manga guide to biochem came out in 2011 09:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:27 < heath> i had heard of the manga guide to molbio which came out in 2009 09:28 < kanzure> i see. that's acceptable. 09:28 < heath> 2011 through the beginning of 2013, though, i kind of disappeared and didn't bother tracking everything 09:32 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:32 < ParahSailin> heath: interesting data structure 09:32 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:42 -!- cpopell_ [47fff18b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.255.241.139] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 -!- marciogm [~textual@177.106.64.219] has 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" 10:26 < heath> 99% js 10:28 < bkero> Vagrant is an amazing tool built on top of the worst hypervisor ever created. 10:29 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 < kanzure> bkero: yeah, i would rather use kvm. 10:31 < bkero> Yeah 10:31 < bkero> or lxc 10:31 < kanzure> heath: i am playing with https://github.com/hh/windows-fromscratch and https://github.com/jedi4ever/veewee/blob/master/doc/vagrant.md 10:31 < kanzure> heath: and probably https://github.com/todddeluca/python-vagrant but i'm still suspicious of that one 10:32 < kanzure> hopefully i'll forget these things soon because i don't really like that much 10:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:40 -!- marciogm [~textual@177.106.64.219] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:43 -!- marciogm [~textual@177.106.64.219] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- marciogm [~textual@177.106.64.219] has quit [Client Quit] 10:50 -!- 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##hplusroadmap 15:30 < ParahSailin> huh, something in the php standard library is actually better than the equivalent in python 15:30 < chris_99> what's that? 15:31 < ParahSailin> in python, its really hard to do the equivalent of $ derp Popen does not easily support more thant stdin, stdout, stderr 15:31 < ParahSailin> in php, its fairly trivial to open a subprocess with arbitrary file descriptors 15:38 < kanzure> have you tried the subprocess module 15:42 < ParahSailin> yes, subprocess.Popen 15:43 < ParahSailin> this is actually kinda sad that php accidentally did something right that python can't do easily 15:43 < ParahSailin> hell, bash will do that in one line 15:53 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00 < ParahSailin> i could fix this https://github.com/python-git/python/blob/master/Lib/subprocess.py but why 16:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 < kanzure> wait.. are you the one woh has been complaining about python-git problems on that mailing list 16:07 < kanzure> i've been seeing lots of complaints on http://groups.google.com/group/git-python 16:11 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 < ParahSailin> nah im not on that mailing list 16:23 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:50 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:51 < weles> I wonder if I'm the only one who finds videos by @JasonSilva annoying... Is he on crack or something? 16:52 < kanzure> why are you watching them 16:53 < weles> some ppl keep linking to them:) 16:53 < weles> like @planetaryresources 16:54 < kanzure> planetary resources is peter diamandis and therefore not worth watching closely. they will probably do some things, but i wouldn't be too concerned about them. 16:55 < kanzure> for the most part it is okay to ignore them 16:55 < kanzure> also you should hang out with better people if that's the sorta links you get 16:55 < weles> lol, that's why I'm here 16:56 < weles> I was really diamandis's fan until he came up with that whole arkyd kickstarter 16:56 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57 < Burninate> what led you from PR to here? 16:58 < weles> from pr to here nothing. i just follow a lot of "science and technology" stuff. to here led me kanzure, after i saw him on the openworm list 16:58 < Burninate> Planetary Resources appears, to my eye, to have very little to do with asteroids. 16:59 < kanzure> oh you saw me from openworm? that's cool. 16:59 < kanzure> i was expecting something much worse 16:59 < weles> :) 16:59 < Burninate> it's *possible* the people pushing it are not-so-secretly space enthusiasts, but the play they are making is for a low-latency, low-resolution Earth observation platform 16:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-49-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 < kanzure> Burninate: that's only their recent project. they had other things they were pitching earlier. 17:00 < kanzure> Burninate: which is how they raised a few million dollars prior to their stupid-ass kickstarter project. 17:00 < Burninate> the Arkyd 100 project doesn't make *any* sense as an actual tool 17:00 < Burninate> for finding asteroids 17:01 < Burninate> the physics and economics don't allow it to 17:01 < weles> i think pr,diamandis and few others are just cashing in on h+ crowd 17:01 < Burninate> an 8" telescope with those specs isn't limited by anything that being in space solves, not to the extent that anyone would pay to put it in space 17:03 < kanzure> it's not really the hplus crowd. the hplus crowd is extremely small. 17:03 < kanzure> i have seen the numbers. 17:03 < Burninate> 8" is the conventional size scale, roughly speaking, where the effect of the atmosphere is equal to the effect of the telescope's diffraction limit 17:03 < weles> i stopped listening to their bullshit after I found out that they want to communicate with lasers on these small ass telescopes 17:03 < Burninate> meaning being in space buys *nothing* 17:03 < eudoxia> weles: if you can stand silva you don't belong here 17:04 < weles> why is this his fun club 17:04 < weles> ? 17:04 < weles> fan 17:04 < eudoxia> can not cant 17:04 < weles> oh shit, sorry 17:04 < weles> :) 17:04 < Burninate> If you look at it as the introductory product, an exercise for an organization to get familiar with space telescopy, that makes *a bit* more sense I suppose 17:05 < kanzure> it's mostly promotion 17:05 < Burninate> lasers are actually a bit deal weles 17:05 < Burninate> *big 17:06 < weles> Burninate, but they are inefficient 17:06 < Burninate> How? 17:06 < weles> they convert only 10-20% of power to light 17:06 < weles> the rest is wasted 17:06 < Burninate> ? 17:06 < Burninate> I thought they were more like 1% 17:06 < weles> depends on type 17:06 < weles> co2 are 10-20 17:07 < Burninate> how about stronger diode? 17:07 < Burninate> in the NIR 17:07 < weles> they are less than 10, i belive 1% 17:07 < Burninate> And how about radio emitters? 17:08 < weles> that's why i don't think it makes sense to put something like that on a device powered by solar panels 17:08 < eudoxia> they want to use LIDAR to find asteroids? 17:08 < weles> depends on the frequency and antenna 17:09 < weles> they want to communicate between arkyds with lasers 17:09 < Burninate> expect a powerful NIR diode laser rather than CO2, much more convenient 17:09 < Burninate> low temperature tolerant, no pressure, etc 17:09 < weles> but also lower power, less efficient 17:10 < Burninate> have you run the numbers on the radio option though? 17:11 < weles> not, but from I learned while getting my ham license they are pretty efficient:) 17:11 < weles> i just know little more about lasers as i have to program software for them everyday:) 17:11 < Burninate> Ku-band amplifier - "High power added efficiency of 30%, 10 points greater than the ..." 17:12 < Burninate> so let's assume 30% 17:12 < Burninate> now what is the gain on a reasonable Ku-band dish 17:13 < Burninate> or... too small for a dish 17:14 < gradstudentbot> Well, that paper was actually retracted. 17:15 < Burninate> meh, I retreat from the socratic method 17:15 < weles> i will do some calculations little later:) 17:15 < Burninate> The benefit of a laser is the extremely high gain. 17:15 < Burninate> on both ends of the transmission 17:15 < weles> but i believe radio is better 17:15 < Burninate> *extremely* high. 17:17 < weles> i guess i could be wrong but.. need to run some numbers first:) 17:17 < Burninate> you can find more detail in the Optical SETI papers 17:18 < weles> i will check that, but don't forget we're talking about a very small device 17:18 < gradstudentbot> When is he back from sabbatical? 17:18 < Burninate> lasers are the future as far as space telescopy - presently missions like Gaia are extremely data-bottlenecked 17:19 < Burninate> and cancelled missions like the Mars Telecommunications Orbiter, the sister ship that was supposed to talk with the Curiosity rover, are sorely missed 17:19 < weles> yeah, but we need to learn how to aim them from huge distances 17:19 < Burninate> (and link back to Earth with a laser) 17:20 < weles> lasers are the future but not for arkyds 17:24 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:26 < Burninate> http://www.roithner-laser.com/lasersystems/laser_system1550.html shows 3 mrad (10 arc minutes) divergence on a 1550nm product without any further optics 17:28 < Burninate> 3 mrad side to side ~= 10 mrad^2 solid angle 17:31 < Burninate> erm 17:37 < Burninate> 3 mrad = 0.171887339 degrees. (3.14 * 0.17 degrees / 2)^2 = 0.071 square degrees. 41253 square degrees in a sphere / 0.071 = 581028x, or 57.6 decibels of intensity gain 17:38 < ParaSa1lin> so you mean like 2.25 usr 17:39 < Burninate> couple it to modest optics to smooth out that divergence, and you can add another few tens of decibels 17:39 < ParaSa1lin> how much is one of those 3mrad divergence lasers 17:40 < Burninate> The detector side is less constrained - you can get some pretty huge dishes - but still a pretty considerable advantage I think in using telescopes instead 17:42 < Burninate> dunno 17:43 -!- streety [streety@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:ded6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 < ParaSa1lin> any good for earthborne comm backbone? 17:44 < Burninate> 1550nm diode lasers are one of the three types we use in our fiber optics system 17:45 < Burninate> that carries the bulk of data around the world 17:45 < Burninate> '850, 1300 and 1550 nm' 17:45 < Burninate> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication 17:47 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-49-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:48 < Burninate> 1550 would be the eyesafe-for-pointing-anywhere one of those - 850 and to a lesser extent 1300 would be dangerous because of where in the eye they're absorbed 17:50 < ParaSa1lin> yeah i know fiber, but how cost-effective could you make free space optical meshnet 17:51 < Burninate> very... if you were willing to deal with perfect line of sight, and suffer weather-related problems 17:51 < Burninate> well 17:51 < Burninate> "very" relative to laying cable 17:52 < Burninate> not relative to buying a few antennas 17:52 < weles> well calculate beam diameter for 3mrad divergance over 250mil km 17:52 < weles> :) 17:52 < Burninate> doesn't matter, the figure of merit is decibel gain 17:52 < ParaSa1lin> antennas and radio? 17:52 < Burninate> times power, against background 17:53 < ParaSa1lin> isnt the FCC the major constraint in radio comms? 17:53 -!- ivan`_ is now known as ivan` 17:53 < Burninate> yes. 17:53 < Burninate> antennas are un-fragile though. 17:53 < Burninate> and cheap for point to point connections 17:54 < ParaSa1lin> is there an easy way to avoid fcc attacks for point to point radio links? 17:54 < Burninate> even weak consumer wifi boxes, hooked up to moderate-sized dishes, are capable of tens of miles range. 17:55 < Burninate> the important bit is that both sender and reciever are hooked up to parabolic dishes and pointed at each other with +25-35db gain each 17:56 < Burninate> 'fcc attacks'? 17:57 < ParaSa1lin> the part where the fcc sends goons to seize/destroy equipment/put you in a cage 17:57 < Burninate> the problem with the FCC would be any restriction that uses 'effective radiated power' 17:57 < Burninate> rather than 'power' 17:57 < Burninate> ERP theoretically limits, eg, the size of the antenna 17:59 < ParaSa1lin> so the existing bands the fcc will not send goons at you for are adequately non-congested for backbone links? 17:59 < Burninate> I don't know too much about the FCC's policies on unlicensed bands. 18:02 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:02 < Burninate> I'm not a ham - I have no amateur radio license to use the restricted bands, but the 5ghz, 2.4ghz, 900mhz are open to devices that respect certain rules about interference 18:05 < Burninate> my notes are here - http://dronepedia.com/index.php?title=Radio_bands#Ham_bands 18:05 < Burninate> choppy as they are 18:05 < Burninate> for the purposes of UAV data transmission & control 18:06 < ParaSa1lin> the main problem with radio is that existing RF ICs are limited to bluetooth, cell, wifi etc 18:07 < ParaSa1lin> i should estimate how much an ASIC for custom RF modulation would come out to 18:07 < Burninate> why? 18:07 < weles> ParahSailin, you can now buy sofware defined radios that will do whatever you want 18:07 < Burninate> SDR is a big thing now 18:09 < ParaSa1lin> is there much SDR for the Tx side? 18:09 < ParaSa1lin> i thought most of it was Rx only 18:09 < Burninate> Anything too low frequency and both the gain from a reasonable-sized antenna, and the bandwidth, will be shit. Anything too high frequency and weather, leaves, etc will cause problems. 18:09 < weles> Burninate, there are really not 'unlicensed' bands as in "free for all". they still have power limits 18:10 < Burninate> on ERP or RP? 18:10 < heath> kanzure: have we discussed node.io previously? 18:10 < heath> if you're looking at switching the scraping framework to js, this might be what you are looking for 18:12 < weles> ParahSailin, you can have sdr that does both tx and rx for a few 100's 18:12 < weles> Burninate, http://www.afar.net/tutorials/fcc-rules/ 18:13 < Burninate> Thanks! 18:14 < Burninate> So still very large numbers, sufficient for a reasonable-distance meshnet 18:14 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:15 < weles> yeap, especially with a good antenna 18:15 < Burninate> point is, most people seem to think their omnidirectional antennas aren't limiting, but they are actually *extraordinarily wasteful* as far as signal is concerned, and exponential increases in distance are easily practical as soon as you decide on fixed point to point connections 18:16 < Burninate> and attach the right sort of antenna 18:16 < weles> yeap 18:16 < Burninate> without even increasing transmitter power 18:16 < weles> can't argue with that 18:20 < Burninate> Can non-diode lasers do rapid digital signal modulation? 18:21 < kanzure> heath: it seems to use nodejs. it doesn't seem to use embedded webkit. so it's probably just using jsdom. which is insufficient for many of my purposes. even paperbot. 18:21 < Burninate> flash on and off in non-cyclical patterns at extremely high frequency? 18:21 < kanzure> heath: but the architecture looks okay/obvious. more people should write code like that. 18:21 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26 < weles> well I'm not sure but I'm able to send from 1hz to 100khz modulation signal to 1kW co2 laser by rs232 or tcp/ip 18:28 < weles> just never tested how fast it can change but i will ask tomorrow 18:59 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:21 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:30 < Burninate> weles - diodes can do nanosecond switching 19:34 < weles> that's the main advantage of solid state lasers 19:35 < weles> http://apl.aip.org/resource/1/applab/v36/i1/p29_s1?isAuthorized=no 19:36 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=doi%3A10.1063%2F1.91303 19:36 < kanzure> someone should fix paperbot 19:36 < weles> yeah someone should:) 19:37 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37 < gradstudentbot> Nope, that's not even remotely possible. 19:37 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:39 < cpopell> Ah, welp 19:39 < cpopell> saw laser diodes, got excited 19:40 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- Adillian [~adillian@61.245.172.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- kittyprawns is now known as childcorn 20:14 -!- childcorn [~emankcin@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 20:30 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35 -!- Adillian [~adillian@61.245.172.22] has quit [] 20:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:00 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-175-51-244.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-164-242-46.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:19 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36 < ParaSa1lin> i need some hiring advice -- how hard are times for mechE graduates these days 21:36 < kanzure> no clue. 21:38 < ParaSa1lin> are graduates from such engineering programs generally trained in fabrication of prototypes? 21:39 < gradstudentbot> I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself. 21:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21 -!- cpopell_ [47fff18b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.255.241.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:21 -!- cpopell [47fff18b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.255.241.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:31 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:33 * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 22:33 < gradstudentbot> Don't you have anything better to be doing? 22:33 * brownies grumbles at gradstudentbot 22:33 < gradstudentbot> I forgot to make a control group. 22:34 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-133.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 < ParaSa1lin> well, let's see what resumes $25 on craigslist buys me 22:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:57 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:04 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:21 -!- cpopell [47fff18b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.255.241.139] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 -!- kmo [122@unaffiliated/kmo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:59 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Wed Jul 24 00:00:34 2013