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05:10 < archels> http://www.itinstock.com/ekmps/shops/itinstock/images/apc-symmetra-rm-8kva-8000va-220-240v-extended-run-xr-rackmount-ups-ar3300-rack-[5]-5599-p.jpg
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05:48 < kanzure> ParahSailin: don't route it to your actual email. route it to a throwaway email account.
05:51 < ParaSa1lin> ok, 3 resumes before 8 oclock
05:53 < ParaSa1lin> who sends word docs as resumes...
05:53 < kanzure> unemployed people
05:53 < kanzure> this is why they're unemployed
05:55 < ParaSa1lin> yeah thats what i mentally said to myself
05:57 < kanzure> "I fiddled around with the Ayam surface modeler and it's (old school) openNURBS export, and after climbing a bit of a GUI learning curve and hacking our 3dm-g converter in various ugly ways I managed to get the following two surfaces into a .g file:"
05:57 < kanzure> http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/extreme_ssi_test.g
05:57 < kanzure> "I'm not entirely sure they constitute a "fair" set of test surfaces - they may be too extreme to be regarded as reasonable - but they're the closest thing I have so far to a general test case for multiple-sub-surface-patch intersections between general NURBS surfaces.  A raytrace indicates the complex surface structure is there, but unfortunately the shaded display code is showing flat planes for both surfaces, not just the one that's ...
05:57 < kanzure> ... supposed to be flat...  "
05:57 < kanzure> "Wu, I'm not quite sure what the "correct" command to test these two surfaces for intersections would be (the only attempt I've made thus far crashed) but if these turn out to be useful test cases feel free to add them to the test NURBS geometry in the source tree. (dbconcat will be useful for that)"
05:58 < kanzure> ah the military, fixing 3d geometry so that i don't have to
06:01 < kanzure> hehe http://www.securityweek.com/first-malicious-apps-targeting-android-master-key-vulnerability-found-wild
06:17 < ParaSa1lin> kanzure, have you ever gotten a patch to python std lib modules accepted?
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06:20 < ParaSa1lin> it really would not be very hard to make subprocess.Popen accept a dict of file descriptors
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06:23 < ParaSa1lin> hell, ruby allows it http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Process.html
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06:31 < kanzure> virulently.org is available
06:31 < kanzure> and virulentlessly.org
06:31 < kanzure> ParahSailin: haha no, i reported a bug or something, but it looked like a patch was proposed in 2004, nobody cared
06:31 < kanzure> ParahSailin: but that was for an old version of python
06:31 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i think they might accept something upstream on python 3.4 or 3.5 or whatever they are on. you should send an email asking if your proposed change would be accepted.
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07:01 < ParaSa1lin> feel free to corroborate how ossum accepting a patch on this would be http://bugs.python.org/issue18544
07:03 < kanzure> trot it around in #python
07:06 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i've decided to use javascript for whatever rewrite of paperbot and zotero and stuff
07:08 < kanzure> ParahSailin: see http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/stackvm.partial.log around 16:55
07:08 < kanzure> if you feel like reading some stuff.
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07:17 < ParaSa1lin> Forbidden
07:18 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot using node and phantomjs?
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07:22 < kanzure> ParahSailin: try again. sorry about that.
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07:22 < kanzure> ParahSailin: not necessarily node and not necessarily phantomjs. i figured that it would be nice if i picked a way to make it so that i can reuse the javascript in browsers, on servers, in zotero, or whatever. that way we don't have to fuck with python<->js bullshit.
07:32 < ParaSa1lin> i wouldnt bother with making it js aware unless i knew of a publisher
07:32 < ParaSa1lin> that required it
07:32 < kanzure> that's a bad strategy. we know it happens and we know it will happen more often in the future.
07:34 < ParaSa1lin> is there an existing case where it is needed?
07:34 < kanzure> sciencedirect
07:35 < ParaSa1lin> we're able to scrape them with just html parsing
07:35 < kanzure> are you sure? i remember zotero is using some iframe opening junk for them.
07:35 < kanzure> hrm.
07:35 < kanzure> well, anyway, that's fine
07:36 < kanzure> i think that each of these modules should depend on some api library, and that api library can provide the function for going through an actual browser. each module will mark whether or not it definitely needs a browser for a certain http request or something.
07:39 < ParaSa1lin> sciencedirect is handled by my python part, and while i dont know how many levels of fetching it has to do, i doubt schihub girl has any advanced javascript interpreter system
07:39 < kanzure> let's not copy what that person is doing
07:39 < kanzure> i mean, it's not even worth copying
07:39 < kanzure> so that point is nil
07:40 < kanzure> don't worry about webpage context running stuff
07:40 < kanzure> the goal is that i will handle that for everyone else
07:40 < kanzure> and it will just magically work
07:45 < ParaSa1lin> sciencedirect pages are successfully navigated by my python that's only aware of html
07:45 < kanzure> i don't know what you are trying to argue now
07:46 < kanzure> are you trying to imply that i will never need javascript execution, ever, for any reason
07:46 < ParaSa1lin> i wouldnt spend time on it until it became an issue
07:46 < kanzure> it's been an issue in the past i just don't remember why.
07:47 < gradstudentbot> I'm working on a paper, I need to be left alone.
07:47 < kanzure> i don't think any of this requires that working right now. that's the beauty of good design.
07:48 < ParaSa1lin> having to interface multiple runtime environments doesn't seem like a beautiful design to me
07:48 < kanzure> well, i'm certainly not going to make this phantomjs-only. that would blow.
07:49 < kanzure> and it can't be node-only because then it would only maybe work in browsers via browserify.
07:49 < gradstudentbot> Well, I can't really talk about it because I'm trying to get it published in Science or Nature.
07:50 < ParaSa1lin> the only reason to actually need a javascript interpreter is if every fetch requires new javascript code to be eval'd
07:50 < kanzure> well.. here's the thing. i can sit around and reverse engineer their javascript if i have to, and just make requests that look like it.
07:50 < kanzure> or i can just use an actual browser and not have to waste hours of my life.
07:50 < ParaSa1lin> if there is some js running on a publisher's site, the same stuff it is executing can be executed in another language
07:51 < kanzure> okay, fine. answer accepted.
07:51 < kanzure> it just means i have to do more work. and other people will help less.
07:51 < kanzure> but fuck other people
07:51 < kanzure> what have they ever done for me
07:52 < ParaSa1lin> what javascript environment other than phantomjs would you be considering?
07:52 < kanzure> a browser.
07:52 < kanzure> zotero runs in firefox.
07:52 < kanzure> instead of all of this zotero js mess, it would just be commonjs-compliant js that gets loaded into their system.
07:53 < kanzure> or it could also be injected into a page by an intermediate proxy
07:54 < kanzure> (the reason that is good is because it means maybe the zotero people would maintain all of our crap for us. hooray.)
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08:15 < ParahSailin> headless gecko of some sort?
08:17 < kanzure> haha. no thanks.. xulrunner is the only way to run gecko apparently.
08:17 < kanzure> mozilla's entire tech stack is completely wacky
08:18 < kanzure> btw i think laurentj from http://slimerjs.org/ will be attempting to patch xulruner to be headless in the next few months.. not sure if it's gonna work though.
08:18 < ParahSailin> phantomjs?
08:18 < kanzure> phantomjs is definitely headless
08:18 < kanzure> the downside is that it's using an old version of webkit in an old version of qtwebkit that was packaged into an old version of qt (qt 4.8)
08:19 < kanzure> webkitgtk+ is a good option because you can use it from gjs, seedjs, or python, but the downside is that it requires xserver-xorg-video-dummy or xvfb because gtk/gnome is not headless. i don't know of a way to compile gnome to be headless. it might be possible..
08:19 < ParahSailin> working in two different runtime environments simply so that you can eval arbitrary, possibly hostile js from a publisher
08:19 < kanzure> (webkitgtk+ is also a good option because you can compile it from webkit.git.. it worked for me.)
08:20 < kanzure> it's okay, i already agreed with you about not loading a page
08:20 < kanzure> i thought.
08:24 < ParahSailin> oh, i misunderstood what you said at 9:52
08:46 < heath> anyone here located in chicago?
08:46  * heath is wondering why the diybio group there never took off
08:47 < kanzure> because he died
08:47 < heath> oh
08:47 < kanzure> i think that's a pretty good reason
08:47 < kanzure> it's these people https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/chiopensci
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09:20 < heath> http://www.commercialbargains.com/p-325-commercial-food-pizza-warmer-heated-aluminum-countertop-16x16x24-hot-box-cabinet.aspx?CAWELAID=1895011805&catargetid=1889075210&cadevice=c&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CPCYyrDEyLgCFVFp7AodXSAAIw
09:20 < heath> .title
09:20 < yoleaux> Commercial Food Pizza Warmer Heated Aluminum Countertop 16x16x24 Hot Box Cabinet
09:20 < heath> i want that as my incubator
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12:11 < kanzure> https://developers.google.com/cast/devprev
12:11 < kanzure> this seems to be a google dongle that intercepts hdmi and writes graphical widgets on top of it :(
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12:26 < kanzure> openworm muscle cells https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/openworm-discuss/CAHxRZu6VXOWuahgdo7vmq0tKDV4a9xPxyGF4ZBVJEUbmFxDHVw%40mail.gmail.com
12:26 < kanzure> http://opensourcebrain.org/projects/muscle_model/wiki
12:26 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DDNR1IoZKCs&t=143
12:26 < yoleaux> 03.05.2013 - Five independent muscle compartments demo - YouTube
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12:28 < cpopell_> howdy
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14:29 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1211097
14:29 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1056%2FNEJMoa1211097
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14:40 < ParahSailin> http://sci-hub.org/pdfcache/7af71d8dbbece365cf356641e6313e82.pdf
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15:05 < nmz787> ParahSailin: any idea why paperbot didn't return a pdf, and why the pdf you sent if supplementary?
15:06 < ParahSailin> he tried his hardest to find a pdf on a page
15:06 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1056%2FNEJMoa1211097
15:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c906603e2d65db4a9e1a924b573ba038.txt
15:06 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1056/NEJMoa1211097
15:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8784c833035947f3016aac79783723c8.txt
15:07 < ParahSailin> well thats a bullshit DOI
15:07 < ParahSailin> i guess its published too recently
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15:10 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/science/articles/10.1038/nj7459-509a
15:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d667ac15470bf17b143ddce669e51698.txt
15:11 < ParahSailin> http://sci-hub.org/pdfcache/e8a3a8d02c543ad42601128fe2e990a4.pdf
15:11 < kanzure> oh, it's an article
15:13 < kanzure> "Schiach has just launched SynBio axlr8r, a programme to jump-start synthetic-biology companies with funding from SOS Ventures, a venture-capital firm in Kinsale, Ireland. “The goal of SynBio axlr8r is to take an idea through proof of concept to form a company within 90 days,” he says. The first batch of 10–20 successful applicants will get US$30,000 each and a space at a science incubator in Cork, Ireland."
15:13 < kanzure> in other words.... in cathal's home.
15:14 < kanzure> i wonder how much equity they are taking
15:17 < gradstudentbot> This laproscopic camera is so easy to use.
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15:22 < nmz787> anyone here in sf area that wants to come to a free talk by cynthia kenyon on aging at 6pm?
15:22 < nmz787> anyone wanna join me and my buddy?
15:22 < nmz787> she discovered the hox gene
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15:22 < nmz787> and a bunch of crap that cell biology class didn't prepare places to link her other work to
15:23 < nmz787> in my mind
15:24 < ParahSailin> enver hoxha discovered the hox gene
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15:29 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i'll get you an initial rewrite of all this javascript/translator/scraper stuff in an hour or two
15:29 < nmz787> oh
15:29 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Kenyon#Career
15:30 < nmz787> "Her early work led to the discovery that Hox genes"
15:31 < nmz787> ParahSailin: this mentions nothing of genes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Hoxha
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15:32 < nmz787> ParahSailin: here also, no mention of said dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeobox#Discovery
15:33 < nmz787> anyway this is the event
15:33 < nmz787> http://healthextension11.eventbrite.com/
15:33 < nmz787> the free code is VANNEVAR
15:34 < nmz787> seems it comes with dinner
15:34 < nmz787> lol
15:35 < ParahSailin> nmz787: it was his son
15:40 < nmz787> too bad ireland doesn't have the thing that the jews/israel has
15:41 < kanzure> birth right?
15:41 < nmz787> where they buy you a plane ticket if you have some jew/israeli blood
15:41 < nmz787> yeah
15:41 < nmz787> so sigma won't ship to my UPS store address
15:41 < kanzure> just change your name to mccorklewicz
15:42 < nmz787> they want to know the lab i work in
15:42 < nmz787> and need some letterhead from there saying i use their lab
15:42 < nmz787> so next plan is to try and get the hackerspace to sign some bullshit
15:43 < nmz787> strangely the lady who called from SIAL mentioned that a lot of people work out f their home
15:43 < nmz787> s I asked if I could use my residential address
15:43 < nmz787> but haven't heard back yet
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15:46 < ParahSailin> ship it to jmil's lab
15:46 < kanzure> haha yeah
15:47 < kanzure> from now on everything goes to rice c/o jordan miller
15:47 < kanzure> you're welcome.
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15:50 < gradstudentbot> Did you do that pset?
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16:10 < nmz787> heh
16:14 < cpopell> is jordan at rice now?
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16:18 < kanzure> got a professorship of some type
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16:23 < nmz787> ttyl
16:23 < nmz787> heading to that talk
16:23 < nmz787> p.s. it comes with free diner
16:23 < nmz787> dinner
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18:25 < weles> Burninate, in theory co2 lasers can module up to 50kHz but in practice 20kHz is the limit
18:43 < Burninate> cyclical?
18:44  * Burninate should get into things like slew rate and nyquist and etc etc etc but doesn't care enough
18:45 < Burninate> a 50khz sine is different from a 50kbit high-entropy digital square wave encoding every second
18:45 < Burninate> but even so - 50kbit would be a tiny amount of data to transmit in a second
18:46 < Burninate> did you do the math in re: gain?
18:51 < weles> not yet
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