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05:23  * heath waves goedemorgen
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05:52 <@heath> hello yorick
05:55 < yorick> hello
05:56 <@heath> neat
05:56 <@heath> http://wg.oftn.org/
05:57  * heath didn't know what the oftn stood for in your cloak
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06:46 <@heath> nanorex's website is gone
06:46 <@heath> github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer has broken links in its readme
06:52 <@kanzure> i haven't deployed the backup yet
06:52 <@kanzure> nmz787: yes i'm awake
07:29 < yorick> heath: hah it's a joke; ohm*fahrad to none :)
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09:26 < anannie> http://jayporter.com/dispatches/observations-from-a-tipless-restaurant-part-2-money-and-the-law/ <--- I wonder if automation could change this
09:41 <@kanzure> .title http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-releases-swartz-report-0730.html
09:41 < yoleaux> MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case - MIT News Office
09:41 <@kanzure> http://swartz-report.mit.edu/
09:42 <@kanzure> http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-swartz-report-faq-0730.html
09:42 <@kanzure> .title http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-swartz-report-faq-0730.html
09:42 < yoleaux> FAQ on report to President Reif regarding MIT and Aaron Swartz - MIT News Office
09:44 <@kanzure> "Prior to January 2011, any computer connected to MIT’s open wireless network could access JSTOR. As a direct result of the Oct. 9, 2010, downloading incident, MIT developed an authorization system to more narrowly restrict access to certain electronic databases. Under this system, implemented on Jan. 10, 2011, only MIT faculty, students, or staff — not guests — can freely access JSTOR. Guests seeking access to JSTOR must now use ...
09:45 <@kanzure> ... certain workstations located in MIT’s libraries. "
09:45 <@kanzure> http://swartz-report.mit.edu/docs/report-to-the-president.pdf
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09:47 <@kanzure> ha ha http://tarensk.tumblr.com/post/56881327662/mit-report-is-a-whitewash-my-statement-in-response
09:49 < ParahSailin> wow fuck mit
09:49 <@kanzure> "However, the report says that MIT’s neutrality stance did not consider factors including “that the defendant was an accomplished and well-known contributor to Internet technology”; that the law under which he was charged “is a poorly drafted and questionable criminal law as applied to modern computing”; and that “the United States was pursuing an overtly aggressive prosecution.” While MIT’s position “may have been ...
09:49 <@kanzure> ... prudent,” the report says, “it did not duly take into account the wider background” of policy issues “in which MIT people have traditionally been passionate leaders.”"
09:50 <@kanzure> i think that is called empathy
10:00 <@kanzure> the most annoying thing about this report is that it assumes aaronsw was guilty
10:00 <@kanzure> "he was arrested, therefore he must be guilty!"
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11:34 <@kanzure> https://github.com/qdot/jiggly.js
11:42 < klafka> that is quite a common problem kanzure
11:42 < klafka> hence why even having an arrest record
11:44 < ParahSailin> for running js stuff in shell, is there something smaller than node.js?
11:54 < nmz787> anannie: that article started out interesting, but ended with not much of a show... does this mean I should stop tipping (which is what my heart wants to do) and hope it forces businesses to change their management?
11:55 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: spidermonkey, v8, javascriptcore, seedjs
11:55 <@kanzure> there's also one called rhino something.. i forget.
11:58 < gradstudentbot> I hope they kick me out.
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12:03 < nmz787> kanzure so i'm starting a list of potential lab equipment needed for a synthesis research and dev project
12:06 <@kanzure> nmz787: put it on diyhpluswiki.git ?
12:06 < nmz787> hplc ok
12:06 < nmz787> ok
12:06 < nmz787> hplc, uv vis spec, optical filters and fiber optic cable
12:07 <@kanzure> for manual synthesis, there's whatever is listed in here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Syringe%20method%20for%20stepwise%20chemical%20synthesis%20of%20oligonucleotides.pdf
12:07 < nmz787> 4-10 syringe pumps
12:07 < nmz787> 3-way pneumatic valves
12:07 <@kanzure> i have no idea who edited that document. it has some handwritten corrections.
12:08 < nmz787> gaseous nitrogen tank with regulator(s)
12:08 < nmz787> oscilloscope
12:08 <@kanzure> i know nothing about keeping the system pressurized with whatever gas.
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12:09 < anannie> nmz787: I meant more from the margins point of view... A robot based restaurant would be more profitable and cheaper
12:09 <@kanzure> "Thin layer chromatography was carried out with Whatman K5f silica and MKC18 plates. HPLC was performed with a Perkin Elmer series 2 Liquid Chromatograph equipped with a Whatman Partisil PX10/25 ODS-2 column or PXS 10/25 SAX column."
12:09 <@kanzure> anannie: lumnos labs was incubating a company that was building a hamburger machine restaurant
12:10 <@kanzure> "The total time required for each cycle is about 13 min." geeze.
12:10 < nmz787> anannie: I emailed the author asking for 'what to do' 'do i stop tipping and hope darwinian evolution breeds tipless restaurants'
12:10 < anannie> kanzure: Yes, I've read about it
12:10 < nmz787> kanzure: yes diffusion sucks
12:14 <@kanzure> 12:13 <@qDot_> I'm supposed to be implementing joystick haptics for the firefox joystick API.
12:14 <@kanzure> the dildo/vibrator guy is responsible for javascript/joystick things? geeze. department of irony is in full force at mozilla.
12:24 < nmz787> "I'm going to address this in the final installment of the series. But the spoiler: I think tipping should be made, and will be made, illegal.  I think this will happen fairly soon. Like, within 20 or 30 years."
12:25 < nmz787>  anannie ^ from the article writer
12:25 <@kanzure> nmz787: btw have you ever read merrifield's nobel prize acceptance speech about dna synthesis?
12:26 < anannie> nmz787: That didn't interest me as much as the 4% profit margin stuff
12:26 <@kanzure> http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1984/merrifield-lecture.pdf
12:26 < nmz787> kanzure: yes, I remember we tried finding audio of that
12:26 < nmz787> or something
12:26 <@kanzure> oh yeah. i remember we failed.
12:27 <@kanzure> wtf? why aren't those available.
12:27 < nmz787> guess I need to reread this
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12:31 <@kanzure> nmz787: feel free to dump random lists, BOMs, notes, whatever into the wiki, just make a folder or something
12:32 < nmz787> ok, trying to make a worst case BOM essentially
12:32 < nmz787> or rather, best case with safety margins
12:32 < nmz787> cheapest case with safety
12:32 <@kanzure> i think you posted a list of the chemical BOM to the wiki somewhere already
12:33 < nmz787> yea i have that in gdrive at least
12:33 < nmz787> gonna ask the eugene lab to help with idea development and equipment procurement
12:33 <@kanzure> hmm it's not on http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/
12:34 < nmz787> since I don't know how to properly ask you for money or motivation
12:34 <@kanzure> once we figure out a rough bom for a macro synthesizer, we'll price out the parts and then i'll cut you a check probably
12:34 < nmz787> supposedly the one guy down there developed a bunch of the safe dyes and some life tech devices
12:35 <@kanzure> the sybrsafe stuff was 1 guy?
12:35 < nmz787> so i imagine they might know some stuff
12:35 < nmz787> he made it sounds like it
12:35 < nmz787> but i dont think that could be true
12:35 < nmz787> rather, i think he was the tester on cells and with fluorescense
12:35 < nmz787> not the chemist
12:36 < nmz787> dunno how wide the team pyramid could be though
12:36 < nmz787> i guess theres a cutoff somewhere before your pyramid includes the whole company structure
12:37 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac303153a?journalCode=ancham
12:37 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1021/ac303153a.pdf
12:38 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a
12:38 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1021/ac303153a.pdf
12:39 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a/suppl_file/ac303153a_si_002.pdf
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12:39 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1bd2eb0f722ac5d52a9403c857c1a1e5.pdf
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12:40 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a/suppl_file/ac303153a_si_001.avi
12:42 <@kanzure> hmm that one might take paperbot a while
12:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/804add8a6a5c2dc27a4d61288af64753.txt
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12:44 < nmz787> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00321648
12:44 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF00321648.pdf
12:45 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/chem.201300655/abstract
12:45 < nmz787> heh, MPEG is a chemistry acronym to me now too
12:46 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1002%2Fchem.201300655
12:46 < nmz787> monomethoxy polyethylene glycol
12:46 < nmz787> huh, paperbot failed, though pdx has it
12:47 < nmz787> this paper is actually looking quite interesting
12:47 < nmz787> 'Liquid-Phase RNA Synthesis by Using Alkyl-Chain-Soluble Support'
12:48 < nmz787> nice and it has supplementary info
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12:52 < nmz787> "The liquid-phase method, in which a soluble polymer supports the chemical synthesis of simple organic molecules, as well as of large biopolymers, has seen in these last years an explosion of successful applications (1). It is worth recalling that the replacement of insoluble crosslinked resins, such as those employed in the Merrifieldlike solid-phase procedures, can solve the problems of converting solution-based reaction protocols for their use und
12:55 < nmz787> paperbot: link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02787908
13:03 < ParahSailin> anyone have a morbid curiosity to see some really bad resumes for mechanical engineers?
13:04 < ParahSailin> this one guy buy a big fucking microscope image as the background
13:04 < ParahSailin> put
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13:17 < nmz787> ParahSailin: hit me
13:18 < nmz787> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02787908
13:18 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF02787908.pdf
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14:07 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: sure i'll take some. email em over.
14:07 <@kanzure> nmz787: the rewrite of paperbot is going to be much better at fetching supplementary materials. by default all supplementary materials will be downloaded.
14:09 < cpopell_> ParahSailin: Sure.
14:09 < ParahSailin> warning, lots of them are doc files, lol
14:11 < gradstudentbot> Can I defend with just one aim done?
14:13 <@kanzure> niice. doc file resumes.
14:14 < nmz787> my username at gmail
14:14 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac400163u?journalCode=ancham
14:14 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/ac400163u.pdf
14:14 <@kanzure> i often wonder how many people still accept resumes as .doc forma
14:14 <@kanzure> ~format
14:14 < nmz787> i hate when companies want .doc
14:14 <@kanzure> and, if you inject javascript into it, what percentage of companies still execute untrusted javascript?
14:14 < nmz787> heh
14:14 < nmz787> something I haven't thought
14:15 < gradstudentbot> The real reason I wanted to join this lab was because I love to clean glassware.
14:15 <@kanzure> because you can use phone-home things to give you analytics/data about the open rate and whatever
14:15 <@kanzure> lots of holes have been plugged in the last decade on that front
14:16 < nmz787> huh, I can get the supplement to that without being logged in
14:16 <@kanzure> but lots of people will just click 'yes, run this program'
14:16 < nmz787> but not the main article
14:16 <@kanzure> which publisher?
14:16 <@kanzure> acs?
14:16 < nmz787> yea
14:16 < gradstudentbot> You know they keep the mice in better conditions than us.
14:17 < anannie> Okay I have a question, is it okay to replicate some robot that I've seen as a beginning project?
14:17 < anannie> Is it okay to replicate projects at all?
14:17 < nmz787> wait a sec, paperbot stripped out the page nums
14:18 <@kanzure> nmz787: file a bug report against https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues and be specific
14:18 < nmz787> anannie: replication of results is a foundation of scientific experimentation
14:18 < ParahSailin> kanzure: yeah, like 90% of them are doc files
14:18 <@kanzure> anannie: it depends on what you want to do with the replicant. are you going to sell it? are you going to advertise loudly that it is your design? then that's mostly a bad idea.
14:18 < ParahSailin> thankfully gmail has preview for doc
14:18 < anannie> nmz787: Yes, but I feel ashamed... I like being originl
14:18 < anannie> kanzure: Just to learn from it
14:19 <@kanzure> anannie: if the robot's licensing says it's open source or free software or creative commons, then go to town and don't give a shit 0~just be in compliance1~
14:19 < gradstudentbot> Should I still be wearing gloves?
14:19 < anannie> http://youtu.be/tuqeaIT8X8I
14:19 < anannie> It's a pretty standard design
14:19 < anannie> (for a walking robot)
14:20 <@kanzure> anannie: yeah, you're fine. just don't claim it is your own design, and don't start a business around it. also, you can potentially ask the original designer for advice about making your own.
14:20 <@kanzure> anannie: also, if you are concerned about licensing it out as an open source project for other people to work on, then these issues shift slightly..
14:20 < nmz787> kanzure: done
14:20 < anannie> kanzure: That's one of the most common designs out there when it comes to hexapods
14:20 < anannie> kanzure: I'm not worried about any of that
14:21 < anannie> kanzure: I just want to build a robot to satisfy my weekly quota :)
14:21 < ParahSailin> anannie: you're in india ffs, ip isnt an issue
14:21 <@kanzure> nmz787: thanks for the bug report. i will fix it soon.
14:21 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: oh yeah, i forgot about that. india wont care that much.
14:21 < anannie> ParahSailin: I won't be for long.
14:21 < nmz787> anannie: my ex roommate made this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDsKEexQtwI
14:22 < ParahSailin> where you going?
14:22 < gradstudentbot> Should I be doing this in the fume hood?
14:22 < anannie> Canada
14:22 < anannie> then SV
14:22 <@kanzure> nmz787: also, please post notes/links/whatever into diyhpluswiki.git..
14:22 < nmz787> here ir is walking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83LnRTKE1qw
14:23 < anannie> nmz787: That's impressive how long did it take for him to get the control algo right?
14:23 < nmz787> maybe a month or so
14:23 < nmz787> i believe he used reverse kinematics
14:23 < anannie> What did he use?
14:23 < anannie> you mean inverse kinematics?
14:23 < nmz787> yes
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14:24 < gradstudentbot> So, I'll let you have my reagents when I'm done with my project.
14:24 < nmz787> he simulated it in something as well first
14:24 < anannie> That's a bit beyond me at the moment as I'm lacking in the essential fundamentals
14:24 <@kanzure> didn't fenn write a lot of inverse kinematics software
14:24 < nmz787> but he's a savant-type genius boy, sort of
14:24 <@kanzure> i feel like that's something he did..
14:24 < anannie> (linear algebra and so on)
14:24 < nmz787> i believe it was running controlled via MATLAB
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14:33 <@fenn> is it just me or did yoleaux stop working for all but the simplest wolfram queries?
14:33 <@fenn> it gives up on things that wolframalpha.com does alright on
14:34 <@fenn> .wa protein per gram salmon
14:34 < yoleaux> fenn: Sorry, no result!
14:34 <@fenn> that ought to work
14:35 <@fenn> or at least do something
14:35 < ParahSailin> that might have been too powerful of an api for them to expose
14:36 <@fenn> it seems like this sort of query used to work
14:37 < ParahSailin> well they probably intentionally limited it
14:37 <@fenn> is there an open source NLP database/math thingy?
14:38 <@fenn> i dont even know what you call this...
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14:39 < klafka> NLP database for?
14:40 < klafka> there is google's n-gram dataset
14:40 < klafka> that's pretty huge
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14:40 < klafka> there are a couple of fairly large n-gram datasets
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14:47 <@fenn> hplus, a transhumanist anal ointment cream company <- hilarious, i wonder if that's what gradstudentbot is researching
14:47 < gradstudentbot> I don't have enough data to form a hypothesis.
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14:49 < eudoxia> cures post-{kurzweil/silva/yudkowsky/prisco}-hate-session anal frustration
14:51 < nmz787> heh, one of those resumes lists football as an employment
14:52 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jo901931z
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14:52 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5b45d6cc5d53f6f01e05b87b10d085cd.pdf
15:02 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1081/NCN-120039215#.Ufg34Y1OSSp
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15:02 < gradstudentbot> I haven't seen my PI in like a week.
15:03 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10553642
15:04 <@kanzure> azco sells both microarray-based and column-based synthesizers. hrm.
15:04 <@kanzure> http://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/NewSynthesizers.php
15:04 <@kanzure> "The Dr. Oliogo XC is custom made, fully automated system designed for high throughput synthesis in either column or plate format"
15:05 <@kanzure> i wonder how that works. it just reconfigures to do the other format?
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15:05 <@kanzure> http://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/droligo.php
15:05 <@kanzure> haha $95k
15:05 <@kanzure> i mean $100k
15:05 <@kanzure> pfft "Controlled via Dr. Oligo Software that includes full audit tracking, protocol optimization, pause ahead capabilities and easy operation of the system."
15:06 < nmz787> cambrian uses one of those
15:06 < nmz787> it was either the oligo array, or a dr oligo
15:07 < nmz787> i remember the blue color of it though
15:07 <@kanzure> i don't understand how it's microarray "or" columnar
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15:07 <@kanzure> what's the point of building both into one unit?
15:08 <@kanzure> the oligomaker is the one that does 192 columns in a circle shape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBbjfEj1lCc
15:09 <@kanzure> around 40s they show how the unit rotates over the columns
15:10 <@kanzure> szostak lecture on non-enzymatic dna synthesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfq5-i8xoIU
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15:12 < nmz787> that's copying not synthesis
15:12 <@kanzure> copying is still important for other reasons
15:12 < nmz787> well, not de novo
15:15 < nmz787> paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/17/6959.full.pdf+html
15:15 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Fnar%2F17.17.6959
15:16 <@kanzure> "New XC Versio- allows synthesis, cleave and deprotection all on the same instrument"
15:16 <@fenn> nmz787: so can you download the paper from the link paperbot just gave?
15:16 <@kanzure> that just doesn't make sense to me. how are you making oligos *without* deprotection?
15:17 <@kanzure> "Recommended gas: argon, nitrogen, air"
15:17 < nmz787> fenn:  no
15:17 <@kanzure> "Number of liquid reagents: 6 standard, expandable to 8"
15:17 <@kanzure> "Synthesis scale: 10nMole to 2uMole"
15:17 < nmz787> deprotection is the last step
15:17 <@fenn> "Single-stranded RNA can be shipped in its 2' protected form to improve stability." maybe at the end of the reaction you can leave it in the protected form or not, whoopee
15:17 < nmz787> not a cycle step
15:17 < nmz787> they call the cycle step activation
15:18 <@kanzure> oh, i see.
15:18 <@fenn> is it just semantics about where the cycle ends?
15:18 <@kanzure> fine then
15:18 <@kanzure> sounds like it
15:18 < nmz787> fenn: i'd say it's user directed choice
15:18 < nmz787> some ppl want 10mers, some 100mers
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15:19 < nmz787> hrmm
15:19 < nmz787> paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org.ezproxy.lib.umb.edu/content/17/17/6959.abstract
15:19 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3351595cb30b257969233e8becdac3f4.txt
15:20 <@fenn> what doesn't make sense to me is why people keep using paperbot even though it apparently isn't working
15:21 < gradstudentbot> Oh that's interesting, do you want to write a paper together?
15:21 < nmz787> fenn it sometimes does, i exhausted my ezproxy list which none worked
15:21 < nmz787> it has more-than-ezproxy access it seems, at least more than I have
15:22 < nmz787> (maybe still using ezproxy)
15:22 <@kanzure> earlier it seemed to have a few hits for nmz787 on some acs and springer stuff
15:22 < nmz787> since i think i saw an exproxy error once on libgen or whatever the russian underhood stuff is
15:22 <@kanzure> that error was because scihub doesn't support proxies that are based on ports
15:22 < nmz787> i believe it started working on some papers since last week too
15:23 < nmz787> because i never closed the tabs since i didn't get a chance to download the papers, but i closed them today
15:23 <@kanzure> ezproxy has two modes of operation, subdomains and port forwarding. scihub doesn't support port forwarding because it just pastes the port number as a subdomain or some shit.
15:23 < nmz787> (because I got the papers today)
15:24 <@fenn> they need to use a colon, not a period
15:24 <@fenn> example.com:1234 would work, but 1234.example.com is what they're pasting?
15:25 < nmz787> now to paste these papers to facebook
15:25 < nmz787> crowdsourced ezproxy!
15:26 <@fenn> sounds marginally more productive than manual dna synthesis
15:27 <@kanzure> fenn: no.. there's some ezproxy server for some school (or, n>1 school) that scihub is using that is configured to redirect sciencedirect.com instead of to sciencedirect.com.ezproxy.lib.university.edu to ezproxy.lib.university.edu:4591 and as a result it ends up being http://ezproxy.lib.university.edu:4591.scihub.org/ which is obviously a bad url. the scihub person isn't very uh.. careful.
15:27 <@kanzure> fenn: manual dna synthesis was only because it's nice to know that you know what you're doing
15:28 <@kanzure> nmz787: why was that machine air-ok? so far a bunch of machines have been nitrogen/argon-only.
15:28 < klafka> interesting bm project http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/26/genome-laser-burning-man
15:28 <@fenn> i know, i was just joking
15:30 < nmz787> kanzure: the only thing that matters is lack of H2O
15:30 <@fenn> hm i guess there's only so many ways to make a bamboo laser tower (looks just like my tower design)
15:33 < nmz787> that art looks like it will visually be interesting, but I'm not convinced it will be any more interesting than some random pattern fed into it, or other non-random stuff translated to weird visual events
15:33 <@fenn> i bet it will be much less interesting than patterns designed to be interesting
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15:34 < nmz787> kanzure: the 5' OH looks exactly like water, thus the need for everything to be super dry of H20, else 'poser nucleotide' water molecules will react
15:36 <@fenn> one very weird thing i noticed about lasers shooting across the sky is that they look curved
15:37 <@kanzure> why is that weird.. the atmosphere scatters light, right?
15:37 <@fenn> it makes sense once you realize that two parallel beams will start at a single point and end at a single point
15:38 <@fenn> because of perspective
15:41 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1081%2FNCN-120039215%26pubId%3D44684631
15:42 <@fenn> i love it when the bots do their own original research
15:44 <@fenn> connection refused?
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16:00 < nmz787> heh http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i7/e078101
16:00 < nmz787> .title
16:00 < yoleaux> Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 078101 (2012): Shape of a Ponytail and the Statistical Physics of Hair Fiber Bundles
16:00 < nmz787> paperbot: http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i7/e078101
16:00 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.078101.pdf
16:00 < nmz787> fenn see
16:03 < nmz787> heh, some of these are pretty good http://www.improbable.com/ig/winners/
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16:06 < nmz787> "demonstrating that people make better decisions about some kinds of things  but worse decisions about other kinds of things when they have a strong urge to urinate."
16:07 < nmz787> "Theory of Structured Procrastination, which says: To be a high achiever, always work on something important, using it as a way to avoid doing something that's even more important."
16:10 < nmz787> "the observant reader may feel that structured procrastination requires a certain amount of self-deception, since one is, in effect, constantly perpetrating a pyramid scheme on oneself. Exactly. One needs to be able to recognize and commit oneself to tasks with inflated importance and unreal deadlines, while making oneself feel that they are important and urgent. This clears the way to accomplish several apparently less urgent, but eminently achievab
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16:17 <@kanzure> nmz787: quote cutoff
16:21 <@heath> has anyone purchased from new england biolabs?
16:22  * heath is thinking about purchasing: https://www.neb.com/products/n4040-m13mp18-single-stranded-dna
16:23  * heath decides against it
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16:23 <@heath> because that would be idiotic
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16:45 <@kanzure> heath: yashgaroth and ParahSailin most definitely have purchased from NEB
16:51 < ParahSail1n> yes
16:52 < ParahSail1n> why would that be idiotic?
16:52 < ParahSail1n> don't need that particular thing?
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17:02 <@heath> ParahSail1n: right
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17:04 < cpopell_> paperbot:  http://rev.sagepub.com/cgi/content/long/1/1/89
17:04 < paperbot> http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sprev/1/1/89.full.pdf
17:08 <@fenn> pardon the wired, but this is neat http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/24/magnifying-contact-lenses
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17:18 <@fenn> delinquentme: interesting IP address, what's that you're connecting from?
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17:18 <@kanzure> monkeybrains is an isp in sf
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17:19 <@fenn> yeah, but what's "PUBLIC"
17:19 < gradstudentbot> Where's my pellets?
17:19 <@fenn> .botsnack
17:19 < yoleaux> :D
17:20 < delinquentme> a HUGE radio  toew
17:20 < delinquentme> tower
17:20 <@fenn> which tower?
17:20 < delinquentme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutro_Tower dish wan
17:22 < delinquentme> fenn, I thought you were a SF kid?
17:23 <@fenn> i know what monkeybrains and sutro tower is, i just didnt realize you could connect directly
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17:24 <@fenn> i was thinking about setting up my own guerilla repeater node on twin peaks
17:25 <@fenn> the security's too good though
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17:29 <@fenn> the motorcycle ninja came by and scoped out the roof connectivity at langton once
17:29 < nmz787> heath: NEB is a great company, they've given me $1k or so of free stuff and have been very helpful in email and on the phone, customer service and their PhD research dudes
17:31 <@fenn> their microtrenching technique is pretty cool; just cut a 1/8" slice in the sidewalk with a concrete saw and throw the fiber down in there
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17:41 < delinquentme> oh damn thats elegant!
17:41 < delinquentme> fenn, you're at langton? I've thought about stopping by
17:41 < delinquentme> but like I wanna nerd down and the beats + boardgames seem casual
17:44 <@fenn> no, i'm in DC now
17:44 <@fenn> i'm surprised beats n boardgames is still going on
17:45 <@fenn> seemed like it was going to be orphaned
17:47 <@heath> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00401a041
17:47 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Synthesis%20of%20deoxyoligonucleotides%20on%20a%20polymer%20support.txt
17:47 <@heath> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040403901904617
17:47 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Deoxynucleoside%20phosphoramiditesA%20new%20class%20of%20key%20intermediates%20for%20deoxypolynucleotide%20synthesis.txt
17:47 <@kanzure> that's probably already on http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/
17:48 <@heath> nmz787: wow, thanks for that info
17:51 <@kanzure> heath: i think you should consider taking a community college biology class
17:51 <@kanzure> or, rather, a biochem lab class, or a molecular biology lab class
17:51 <@kanzure> not a biology class (oops)
17:53 < gradstudentbot> I think I have ebola.
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18:00 <@heath> if i get to buenos aires, okay, but i don't want to spend ~500 - 1000 on a single course
18:02 <@fenn> what does buenos aires have to do with it?
18:02 <@heath> schools is free over there, even for foreigners
18:02 <@fenn> ah, good to know
18:02 <@heath> i'm in talks with a company over there that is willing to sponsor my visa: creativa77.com.ar
18:04 <@kanzure> isn't argentina the one that was in the middle of collapsing
18:04 <@heath> in 2001?
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18:05 <@kanzure> well i live in 2013, but sure, whatever..
18:05 < rigel> TELL ME WHICH BOOK TO READ
18:05 < rigel> K&R, or Abelson/Sussman?
18:05 <@kanzure> K&R
18:05 <@kanzure> and then the red book
18:06 < rigel> red book?
18:06 <@kanzure> the dragon compiler one
18:06 <@fenn> the little schemer (actually i haven't read this)
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18:06 <@kanzure> oh.. i mean the dragon book.
18:06 < rigel> i also have "simply scheme"
18:06 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilers:_Principles,_Techniques,_and_Tools
18:07 <@kanzure> red book is supposed to refer to an opengl book, actually. sorry about that.
18:07 <@heath> don't read a book? go through the python tutorial
18:07 < rigel> i already know a bit of python
18:07 <@kanzure> python tutorials wont teach these things
18:07 < rigel> i want to be a jack of all trades but a master of none
18:07 <@kanzure> rigel: also consider SICP
18:07 <@heath> then a book
18:07 < rigel> kanzure: thats abelson
18:08 <@fenn> SICP is abelson/sussman
18:08 <@heath> that is abelson/sussman
18:08 <@kanzure> well aren't i just terrible
18:08  * kanzure sits in his corner
18:08  * heath cartwheels into the wall
18:08 < rigel> ive tried to read sicp in the past
18:08 < rigel> and i cant get past how terrible scheme/lisp seems
18:11  * heath fights the urge...
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18:11 <@fenn> anyone played "the blind watchmaker"? this guy has some amazing faux developmental sculptures: http://www.nickervinck.com/prints.php http://www.nickervinck.com/ssculptures.php  reminds me of topological optimization
18:14 <@fenn> i really like sniburtad and agrieborz (in multi color)
18:17 <@fenn> http://www.nickervinck.com/overview/AGRIEBORZ.php
18:17 < gradstudentbot> I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space.
18:24 <@heath> neat stuff fenn
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18:39 <@heath> paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2005/OB/b510458k
18:39 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1039/B510458K.pdf
18:39 <@heath> \o/
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18:43 <@heath> paperbot: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/ij/2005/00000001/00000001/art00003
18:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a6e07d0cd2ae0c2631f550be1445771d.txt
18:45 <@ParahSail1n> paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1574090054484306
18:45 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e9eb5d37c5f27d3bad573d501275a8ff.txt
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18:48 <@kanzure> woh woh wah.
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18:55 <@heath> .title http://www.isnsce.org/
18:55 < yoleaux> ISNSCE
18:55 <@heath> The 19th international Meeting on DNA Computing and Molecular Programming :: Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona, USA :: September 22- September 27, 2013
18:56 <@heath> International Society for Nanoscale Science, Computation and Engineering (ISNSCE)
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20:46 <@kanzure> beep
20:46 < Adifex> boop
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21:41 <@ParahSail1n> hm, eg is doing work on the psyllid that carries the citrus greening virus
21:41 <@ParahSail1n> sorry, bacteria
21:42 <@ParahSail1n> pretty sure we have a liberibacter genome assembly
21:43 <@ParahSail1n> oh, but its a potato psyllid bacteria that we have
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23:48 < tomkinsc> Decent (non-academic) article on fasting in Harper's http://www.scribd.com/doc/95722979/Starving-Your-Way-to-Vigor
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