--- Log opened Thu Aug 01 00:00:42 2013 00:10 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:13 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:15 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0957415813001153 00:15 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Life-cycle%20economic%20analysis%20of%20distributed%20manufacturing%20with%20open-source%203-D%20printers.txt 00:18 -!- lichen_ is now known as lichen 00:54 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@71-211-196-62.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:17 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@112.134.153.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:10 < poppingtonic> hmmm..paywalled papers aren't accessed 02:27 < archels> yes it does, that's the point. But it doesn't always work. 02:27 < archels> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=271456&_user=1694017&_pii=S0957415813001153&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=17-Jul-2013&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLbVlt-zSkWz&pid=1-s2.0-S0957415813001153-main.pdf&_valck=1&md5=e9252ee95ea369c0580a81a47eba9c2e&ie=/sdarticle.pdf 02:28 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ff57e0b7c61bc365f27c3b3152e2c474.pdf 02:28 < poppingtonic> huh :) 02:28 < archels> sometimes the right URL takes some digging; I copied that one from the txt file it returned originally. 02:29 < poppingtonic> oh, i should have guessed that the url might be in there somewhere. 02:29 < poppingtonic> ty 02:30 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:43 < archels> kanzure: looking at papers.py, the title should be correct for sciencedirect. 02:44 < archels> title = tree.xpath("//h1[@class='svTitle']")[0].text returns the right title given the HTML from poppingtonic's first link, at least. 02:44 < archels> Is this the code that paperbot is actually running? 02:46 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:50 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66.237.51.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:53 < poppingtonic> yeah that's it. 02:58 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:02 < archels> oh, I see where it goes wrong. hm. 03:07 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:12 < archels> nope, comes out fine on this end. But I am testing on a connection that natively has access to sciencedirect. 03:15 < gradstudentbot> Sorry about that. 03:17 < poppingtonic> yours downloaded directly? 03:17 < archels> my university gives me access. 03:22 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:22 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:50 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-133.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:51 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:51 < superkuh> paperbot: http://prl.aps.org/pdf/PRL/v109/i20/e205003 03:52 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1103/PhysRevLett.109.205003.pdf 04:14 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:26 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:37 < archels> 01/13:35:49 < archels> notpaperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0957415813001153 04:37 < archels> 01/13:35:56 < notpaperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Life-cycle%20economic%20analysis%20of%20distributed%20manufacturing%20with%20open-source%203-D%20printers.pdf 04:37 < archels> this is using download_url(), skipping the translation server/scihub stuff. So probably that is the part to blame. 04:37 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@112.134.245.168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:54 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@112.134.245.168] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 04:55 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@71-211-196-62.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Adifex] 05:12 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:59 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:13 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:56 <@kanzure> archels: i don't know what the source of the problem is 06:56 <@kanzure> archels: the point is, paperbot shouldn't be this incomprehensible in general 07:57 < archels> well, I set it up earlier (minus the http://localhost:1969 thing--still not quite sure what that is), and it worked out of the box 07:58 <@kanzure> that's zotero translation-server on port 1969 08:03 < archels> do you want to eventually get rid of the download_url() function altogether, favouring Zotero? 08:03 <@kanzure> i want to get rid of everything here 08:03 <@kanzure> but for now, there should be unit testing of the download_url stuff 08:05 < archels> well, like I said, download_url() works for sciencedirect. So what probably happens is, Zotero succeeds in getting the PDF, but with the wrong title. It never gets to download_url(). 08:05 <@kanzure> actually, zotero fails for sciencedirect right now because translation-server doesn't support the sciencedirect translator for a really obscene reason 08:13 < archels> I guess it's on to installing zotero/translation-server 08:13 <@kanzure> you can just use gnusha.org:1969 08:25 < archels> alright 08:26 <@kanzure> don't abuse that, btw 08:26 -!- weles [~mariusz@wsip-70-183-164-169.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, but his project was so easy. 08:34 < archels> okay, so Zotero replies 'no translators available', after which it proceeds to try SciHub, which fails, after which it tries download_url(), which works fine for me, title and all. 08:34 < archels> so I'm not sure why it doesn't work for the current instance of paperbot 08:35 <@kanzure> archels: you sure? 08:35 <@kanzure> 08:35 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0957415813001153 08:35 <@kanzure> 08:35 < paperbot> Translation server fail 08:35 <@kanzure> 08:35 < paperbot> Scihubber -> (http://sci-hub.org/pdfcache/630d554b140882a7750bcc5dc8ff6a78.pdf, None) 08:36 <@kanzure> 08:35 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/571b33936490a4151ef357dad522bd70.pdf 08:36 < archels> I get (None, None) for Scihubber 08:37 <@kanzure> because you don't have the environment variable 08:37 < archels> oh yeah, that makes sense as I don't have the password 08:37 <@kanzure> i blackmailed the scihub person into giving me a special password 08:37 < archels> heh 08:38 < ParahSailin> more like seduced 08:39 <@kanzure> i showed some chest hair, showered the person with bitcoins... etc. 08:39 * kanzure fondly remembers 08:45 < ParahSailin> dont forget your celebrity 08:45 <@kanzure> my who? 08:54 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:54 -!- audy [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:59 < ParahSailin> what the hell, why is the python repl broken in this new install 08:59 < ParahSailin> backspace? disallowed, no mistakes for you 09:01 <@kanzure> probably your terminal is messed up 09:10 < ParahSailin> there's really no concat :: [[a]] -> [a] in python std lib? well i guess lambda x:list(itertools.chain(*x)) is pretty awesome 09:11 <@kanzure> [[a]] -> [a] is called flatten or zgroup or something 09:17 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@c-24-4-11-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 < cogitokat> I have compiled brlcad, and I'm trying to use swig to make python bindings, and when I do the swig command it says this http://paste.kde.org/p3775a896/ This is the #if it's taliking about in db.h http://paste.kde.org/p15615e93/ 09:37 < ParahSailin> you'd think that str() on unicode type would be a synonym for .encode("utf8") 09:38 < ParahSailin> but no, you have to do stuff like def _str(q): if type(q) == unicode: return q.encode("utf8"); else return str(q) 09:55 <@nmz787> how d 09:58 <@nmz787> cogitokat: have you used brl before? tomkinsc was asking how it was these days, and also asked of freecad (i haven't used either) 09:58 <@nmz787> tomkinsc: made a 90 degree bent tube in autodesk http://imgur.com/4mKBteB,FqbLDJm 09:59 < cogitokat> nmz787, no, this is my first time doing anything with it. 09:59 < tomkinsc> I wonder what the "hello world" of 3D CAD might be 09:59 < tomkinsc> trying to remember what I learned first 10:00 < tomkinsc> a "house" maybe 10:00 < tomkinsc> but yeah, the screenshots on the BRL CAD site make it seem like there has been some progress improving its usability 10:00 <@kanzure> brlcad recently got nurbs support 10:01 <@kanzure> freecad is therefore completely deprecated and useless 10:01 <@kanzure> freecad is just a wrapper around opencascade, which means the core cad kernel is unmaintainable and impossible to understand (it's written in C++ with a mix of english, russian and french) 10:01 < tomkinsc> yikes 10:02 < tomkinsc> yeah, it's nice to see consumer 3d printing pushing advancement of FOSS 3d cad 10:02 <@kanzure> opencascade started out as CAS.CADE which was what CERN used for a long time 10:02 < cogitokat> why is make benchmarks using all of my cpu ): 10:02 <@kanzure> because brlcad uses your cpu to do raytracing 10:02 <@kanzure> why are you doing benchmarks? 10:04 < cogitokat> because it says to to make sure it is working correctly 10:11 < tomkinsc> Why can't we buy bespoke computer keyboards yet? I have an ergo keyboard ( http://www.walyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Kinesis-Advantage-Keyboard2.jpg ), but it's not perfect and there should be someone selling custom keyboards based on hand measurements. 3D print the mechanical structure, with parametric spacing of keys based on the length of one's phalanges. Same for bespoke mice: grasp a block of clay and squash 10:11 < tomkinsc> it, scan in its shell geometry, print a mouse case to match (at an orientation to reduce pronation) 10:13 < cogitokat> I changed the db.h but now there are several warnings and a Syntax error, wahh 10:24 -!- nicedice [~nicedice@unaffiliated/nicedice] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@c-24-4-11-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:46 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58 -!- Burnin8 is now known as Burninate 11:24 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@c-24-4-11-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:31 <@nmz787> tomkinsc: you should really switch to idling in some tmux or screen window on a server that doesn't go to sleep 11:32 <@nmz787> i was going to say earlier that i think some folks in here have prev talked about chording keyboards 11:32 <@kanzure> and plover. except plover doesn't work on any of my keyboard.s :( 11:32 <@kanzure> *keyboards. 11:35 < tomkinsc> so if I'm going to idle in a tmux session, which irc client do y'all prefer? 11:35 <@kanzure> irssi 11:36 < tomkinsc> ok 11:36 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://ijamc.darbose.in/ijamc/index.php/ijamc/article/view/277 11:37 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cr068083a?journalCode=chreay 11:37 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1021/cr068083a.pdf 11:37 <@kanzure> tomkinsc: http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure 11:37 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f23d29abff1a2a4e8fa6e9ac62cf0b52.txt 11:37 <@kanzure> tomkinsc: make me a keyboard that makes me go faster 11:37 < ParahSailin> i dont think we have any hindustani journal access 11:38 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38 < tomkinsc> =) faster, or with less impact on your body? (not necessarily mutually exclusive, but my interest is on doing no harm to my hands) 11:38 < tomkinsc> wrists, etc. 11:39 <@kanzure> faster. fuck impact. 11:39 <@nmz787> i presume reducing the stress would increase available energy that could be diverted into movement 11:40 <@nmz787> kanzure: but if you can't type in 5 years because fuck degeneration... what will you do then? 11:40 <@nmz787> i guess you could shoot drugs into your wrist to reduce inflammation and local anesthetics 11:40 <@kanzure> nmz787: pay someone to type for me 11:40 <@nmz787> but that would worsen... 11:40 <@nmz787> oh 11:40 <@kanzure> nmz787: also hacker steroids 11:41 <@nmz787> that 11:41 <@nmz787> HACKER ROID RAGE LOOKS LIKE THIS 11:41 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 < ParahSailin> my hands were pretty messed up a year ago 11:42 < ParahSailin> but from one one month adderall bender of typing 11:42 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 <@kanzure> nmz787: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i71/loserzmartin/Macros/capslockfury.jpg 11:43 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00436-011-2541-y 11:43 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1007/s00436-011-2541-y.pdf 11:43 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@c-24-4-11-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:45 <@kanzure> i'm sure there's going to be some damage to my hands/wrists/forearms at some point. 11:45 <@kanzure> that 24 hour typing marathon in 2011 was a really bad idea. 11:47 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://vdi.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/03/28/1040638713483538.full.pdf+html 11:47 < paperbot> http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/spvdi/early/2013/03/28/1040638713483538.full.pdf 11:47 <@nmz787> what is that??? 11:47 <@nmz787> (highwire) 11:48 <@kanzure> highwire is a publisher aggregator of some sort. i think a bunch of publishers are outsourcing their hosting (or something). 11:48 <@nmz787> so paperbot found a leak 11:48 <@nmz787> ? 11:49 <@kanzure> i doubt it.. i'm not sure what's going on. 11:49 <@nmz787> or it was open, and it googled for the pdf? 11:49 <@kanzure> no.. it doesn't know how to do that. 11:49 <@kanzure> that page has this link: 11:49 <@kanzure> http://openathens.highwire.org/initiate-login?returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Fvdi.sagepub.com%2Fcontent%2Fearly%2F2013%2F03%2F28%2F1040638713483538.full.pdf%2Bhtml&subcode=sagepub" 11:50 <@kanzure> oops, nevermind. that one doesn't matter. 11:50 <@kanzure> yeah nevermind i can't explain it 11:50 <@kanzure> http://highwire.org/ start reading i guess.. 11:51 <@nmz787> is there some way to add libgen as the receiver for my pdf uploader bookmarklet? 11:51 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp&arnumber=5936959&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5936959 11:51 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=6132609 11:51 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/850265422ac5c48f2211d2cd30824e56.pdf 11:51 < paperbot> ConnectionError: [Errno 111] Connection refused (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) 11:51 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp&arnumber=5625851&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5625851 11:51 <@kanzure> there might be a way to do that, but libgen might not have the right headers. 11:51 < paperbot> ConnectionError: [Errno 111] Connection refused (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) 11:52 <@kanzure> please don't use login.jsp on ieee 11:52 <@nmz787> ? 11:52 <@kanzure> because login.jsp tells them that you didn't have access 11:52 <@nmz787> that's just a direct copy past from my browser url 11:52 <@kanzure> whereas you want the actual url in the url= parameter 11:53 <@nmz787> shouldn't paperbot just do that parsing? 11:53 <@nmz787> or extraction 11:53 <@kanzure> it's supposed to, but i didn't test that particular variation where you have arnumber first 11:53 <@kanzure> instead of arnumber last 11:53 <@nmz787> paperbot: http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5625851 11:53 <@kanzure> no.. 11:54 <@kanzure> pass it through decodeURIComponent 11:54 <@kanzure> like on http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/dencoder/ 11:54 <@kanzure> or in your js console 11:54 <@nmz787> paperbot: http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5625851 11:54 <@nmz787> there's a bunch of web sites that do it 11:54 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=5625851 11:54 < paperbot> ConnectionError: [Errno 111] Connection refused (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) 11:55 <@nmz787> that's weird 11:55 <@nmz787> paperbot should def have access 11:56 <@nmz787> grr, my pdf uploader can't handle a banner, since it redownloads using the current URL 11:57 <@kanzure> a banner? 11:58 <@nmz787> yeah IEEE 11:58 <@nmz787> Brought to you by XXX XXX UNIVERSITY 11:58 <@nmz787> the actual file is stamp.jsp 11:58 <@nmz787> not the pdf 12:04 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/3/138 12:04 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Frheumatology%2F15.3.138 12:04 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/3/138.full.pdf+html 12:04 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Frheumatology%2F15.3.138 12:08 <@nmz787> paperbot: https://www-thieme-connect-com.ezproxy.lib.umb.edu/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-1995-3996 12:08 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3112c1a5149c838317f628c07a9f4a65.txt 12:08 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@c-68-80-251-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 <@nmz787> paperbot: https://www-thieme-connect-com/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-1995-3996 12:09 < paperbot> ConnectionError: [Errno -2] Name or service not known (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) 12:09 <@nmz787> paperbot: https://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-1995-3996 12:09 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@c-24-4-11-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7369fbc40db2a3116e7662a232a7e7f2.txt 12:10 <@nmz787> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168160506005952 12:10 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1016/j.ijfoodmicro.2006.10.040.pdf 12:10 <@nmz787> ok done for now 12:15 <@nmz787> anyone heard more about this http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/01/new-york-police-terrorism-pressure-cooker 12:15 <@nmz787> ? 12:15 <@nmz787> seems like they didn't actually purchase a pressure cooker 12:15 <@nmz787> so now the govt is actively using search history? 12:16 <@kanzure> lots of unverified claims in that article, might not have been fbi, etc. 12:20 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@c-24-4-11-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My computer has gone to sleep. 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What I'm getting at is sure we know some folds ... but theyre' length restricted 13:23 < delinquentme> ill be back in a bit 13:23 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@66.233.132.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:23 <@nmz787> delinquentme: other ions probably assist in the folding process 13:23 <@kanzure> on a related note, i remember really liking http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/protein-engineering/Design%20of%20protein%20function%20leaps%20by%20directed%20domain%20interface%20evolution.pdf 13:23 <@nmz787> charges can't move around otherwise as fast i think 13:23 <@kanzure> but i don't have a dump of papers about rational protein design 13:34 <@nmz787> kanzure: can i put this in a standalone .js file if i remove the script tags? 13:35 <@nmz787> http://pastebin.com/pUVHq823 13:35 < ParahSailin> what magic is {% for (var i=0, file; file=o.files[i]; i++) { %} 13:35 <@nmz787> some js or jquery display template 13:36 <@kanzure> jinja2 template? 13:36 <@kanzure> oh sorry. mustache. 13:36 <@nmz787> https://github.com/blueimp/JavaScript-Templates 13:36 <@kanzure> no, mustache is {{ 13:36 <@kanzure> hmm. 13:36 <@nmz787> i'm hacking the demo page of this into a web site https://github.com/blueimp/jQuery-File-Upload 13:36 <@kanzure> handlebars? 13:36 <@nmz787> replacing plupload 13:37 <@kanzure> nope, not handlebars either. 13:38 <@nmz787> ? 13:38 <@nmz787> chrome 13:39 <@kanzure> no, i was trying to figure out the templating framework that corresponds to that syntax 13:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-48-170.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-48-170.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 13:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-48-170.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 <@nmz787> i think the problem is getting it past django 13:41 <@nmz787> i added {% load verbatim_templatetag %} 13:41 <@nmz787> and enclosed the template in {% verbatim %} 13:41 <@nmz787> but it isn't getting into the web page source 13:47 <@nmz787> http://pastebin.com/pUVHq823 tomkinsc 13:55 <@kanzure> nmz787: could you see if you have any notes about the chemicals you wanted to buy. this would have been about a year ago.. 14:04 < fenn> nmz787: "NSA seems to have its finger on the pulses." 14:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:20 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@c-24-4-11-202.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My computer has gone to sleep. 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17:39 <@kanzure> theoretically yes 17:39 <@kanzure> and if it doesn't.. http://browserify.org/ is an alternative. 17:39 <@ParahSail1n> or is it easier for me to just maintain two different ones with slightly different wrapping 17:39 <@kanzure> noooo 17:40 <@ParahSail1n> ah yeah browserify looks good 17:40 <@kanzure> i would disown you 17:46 -!- juul [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:54 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@c-68-80-251-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@c-68-80-251-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:02 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:04 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:27 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:27 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-48-170.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:29 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:49 -!- juul [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 18:50 -!- juul [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:56 -!- rigel [~yourmom@c-76-105-237-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:57 -!- rigel [~yourmom@c-76-105-237-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: phillyj] 19:11 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:44 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-3-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: phillyj] 19:48 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:01 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:18 < delinquentme> https://gist.github.com/delinquentme/6137227 20:18 < delinquentme> more eloquent way to do this? 20:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, does you prog? 20:20 < delinquentme> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU_xpBjMAZA 20:24 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i don't understand the purpose of the else block 20:24 <@kanzure> yeah, me either 20:25 <@kanzure> oh.. hello me. 20:25 < delinquentme> i want to $(this).find('.commentField').text() <<< not repeat that twice 20:25 < delinquentme> meet the real me 20:25 < delinquentme> something like self.text() in the truthy portion 20:25 < delinquentme> var rowComment = $(this).find('.commentField').text() != '[Click to edit]' ? $(this).find('.commentField').text() : ""; 20:25 <@kanzure> what's wrong with var rowComment on a separate line? 20:26 <@kanzure> just do it before the if/then statement 20:26 <@kanzure> anyway, you should never be using the text of a form element to manage the state of your form... 20:26 <@kanzure> most people use a finite state machine to control their forms 20:27 < gradstudentbot> I'll need to pull an all-nighter. 20:27 <@kanzure> or something like https://github.com/powmedia/backbone-forms 20:27 <@kanzure> or uh... http://www.lukerodgers.ca/2012/06/backbone-js-finite-state-machine-view/ 20:27 <@kanzure> https://github.com/lukeasrodgers/backbone-fsm-view 20:27 <@kanzure> https://github.com/sebpiq/backbone.statemachine 20:43 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:43 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:48 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:50 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:57 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:10 <@ParahSail1n> where's the return value of the "$(this).find('.commentField').text()" inside the brace going? 21:11 <@ParahSail1n> javascript doesnt have a secret a?b:c control structure, does it? 21:12 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:12 <@kanzure> i don't often have a reason to use the ternary operator in javascript 21:12 <@kanzure> the .text() call isn't doing anything, he was just angry that he had to use a temporary variable 21:13 <@kanzure> i think. 21:15 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:53 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28 -!- valyap [~emankcin@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 22:30 < cpopell> kanzure: Ever applied for a SBIR? 22:35 -!- nicedice [~nicedice@unaffiliated/nicedice] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:47 <@kanzure> cpopell: no 22:47 < cpopell> Any interest at all? 22:49 <@kanzure> nope. do you need money for something? 22:49 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:49 < cpopell> Eh, just building up. There's some interesting human genetic modification ones available, wasn't sure if you tracked them. 22:50 <@kanzure> i think it's better to take money from "within the family" at this point 22:52 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:53 < cpopell> What are you working toward these days, anything in particular? 22:53 < cpopell> I was away for sixish months while trying to find contracts, hah 22:56 <@kanzure> at the moment i am working on falling asleep 22:56 < cpopell> Ah 22:57 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:57 <@kanzure> also preoccupied with "really important things" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVbLOM0b5c0 22:57 < cpopell> lol 22:58 < cpopell> you ever read about perceptual control theory? 22:58 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-133.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:00 <@kanzure> no 23:00 < cpopell> thought I'd ask, since I saw you in ##neuroscience and epitron said it had been discussed there in the past 23:00 < cpopell> plus you read all sorts of stuff 23:02 <@kanzure> you should ignore like 20% of what that guy brings up 23:02 <@kanzure> except when he talks about his brain cyst, because that's cool as shit 23:02 < cpopell> Nah, found PCT myself 23:02 < cpopell> it's interesting, especially the ways they examined its use in interfaces 23:03 <@kanzure> i just read the wikipedia page and i believe it's the most boring thing you could possibly bring me 23:03 < cpopell> haha, different strokes for different folks I guess 23:03 <@kanzure> here have a thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics 23:04 * kanzure sleeps 23:07 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@124.43.125.14] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:13 -!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujwlrwrvehkuzqqn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:46 -!- xl0 [~xl0@zaytsev.su] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] --- Log closed Fri Aug 02 00:00:43 2013