--- Log opened Tue Aug 20 00:00:01 2013 00:14 < kanzure> Noryokusha: none of that is actually "what's going on" 00:14 < kanzure> Noryokusha: if you were actually keeping up, you would know that 00:14 < kanzure> Noryokusha: piss off and die 00:14 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-20-174-105.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:23 < Noryokusha> whoa why the hostility 00:23 < Noryokusha> i wasn't trying to be rude 00:33 -!- SolG [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:34 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:37 < kanzure> you were telling me i was wrong but you didn't take the care to think about it (that's rude) 00:37 < kanzure> if you're going to tell me i'm wrong then at least be kind enough to be right 00:53 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02 < Noryokusha> hahahaha 01:02 < Noryokusha> night man 01:04 -!- yashgaroth 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-!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 < kanzure> not sure 09:21 < kanzure> also, universities sometimes have a mems fabrication shop 09:24 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24 < archels> yeah, a colleague of mine uses a PDMS substrate for microchannels 09:24 < archels> but no metal that I know of 09:25 < ParahSai1in> what kind of features? 09:31 < archels> fractal 09:32 < archels> we're looking into form-function relationships in microelectrodes 09:33 < ParahSai1in> 2 dimensional 09:33 < archels> no, 3D, that's the point 09:33 < archels> (no pun intended) 09:33 < archels> :) 09:33 < ParahSai1in> like very 3d? 09:34 < archels> yes, complex geometry 09:34 < ParahSai1in> you wouldnt go anywhere to have that done 09:36 < archels> okay, it doesn't necessarily have to be a point-and-click webshop though 09:36 < archels> or is it something that at this point can only be done in a few exclusive labs around the world? 09:37 < ParahSai1in> that would be a five year paper at a handful of different research labs 09:38 < ThomasEgi> archels, like the Utah-array? 09:39 < archels> sure, something like that 09:40 < ThomasEgi> what's the smallest structure in your geometry? 09:42 < archels> on the order of a few micrometer 09:43 < archels> a lot of the micromachining stuff I've come across is planar 09:44 < archels> I thought 3D printing might have brought us a bit further by now. but it looks as though I'm mistaken 09:44 < ThomasEgi> mostly a matter of budget 09:45 < ThomasEgi> but "a few micrometers" can be as little as 3 micrometers. or something like 80μm there's a big difference inbetween those 09:46 < archels> a few micrometers is ~5 um 09:46 < archels> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890695504001518 09:47 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890695504001518 09:47 < archels> subtractive, not additive manufacturing 09:47 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1016/j.ijmachtools.2004.06.006.pdf 09:47 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 < ParahSai1in> maybe consider something less ambitious 09:48 < ThomasEgi> hm.. there is a company in germany that may be able to pull 3d structures off like that. let me skim over their design guide 09:50 < ThomasEgi> i guess it's close to what you need 09:50 < ThomasEgi> 3 to 5μm smallest structure size 09:50 < Noryokusha> haha was using bro on you LO 09:50 < Noryokusha> woops wrong channel 09:50 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51 < ThomasEgi> http://www.microtec-d.com/ 09:51 < archels> ThomasEgi: what sort of technology do they use? 09:52 < ThomasEgi> no clue. seems they got their own thing running. 09:52 < ThomasEgi> but they offer rather crazy stuff. 09:52 < archels> Um eine Datei runterzuladen, geben Sie erst Ihre 09:52 < archels> E-Mail Adresse ein. 09:52 < archels> bastards 09:52 < ThomasEgi> including micro optics, microfluid. integration of circuits. 09:52 < ThomasEgi> i don't think you need a real one 09:53 < ThomasEgi> as long as it looks like a mail address. 09:56 < archels> hmm, it might be an option to make it out of polymer and then deposit a metal surface film 09:56 < ThomasEgi> they can even integrate metal in the print 09:57 < ThomasEgi> as far as i can tell 09:57 < archels> oh yeah, nanoscribe.de. This is what I had in the back of my mind. 09:57 < archels> 2-photon UV polymerization 09:57 < ThomasEgi> my guess is you need a purse the size of a dumpster truck to get your stuff thone. but given you have the money. it may work out 09:58 < archels> yeah we're writing the grant proposal now, so it's good to have a ballpark estimate 09:58 < ThomasEgi> that empire state building looks impressive.. 09:58 < ThomasEgi> from the nanoscribe 10:01 < kanzure> i don't remember that line being in gradstudentbot 10:01 < gradstudentbot> I am kind of curious what he has a Ph.D. in, I can't really find this anywhere, it could be underwater basket weaving for all I know. 10:03 < archels> oh shit, it's becoming sentient 10:06 -!- meanderingman [~jacobervi@64.71.13.170] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:21 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit 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disagreed with you, never 'said' 'you're wrong' 15:38 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@67.51.113.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:39 < nmz787> archels: http://www.norsam.com/ 15:43 < nmz787> paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0960-1317/10/2/314/pdf/0960-1317_10_2_314.pdf 15:43 < nmz787> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00170-012-4605-2 15:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f3b4dd5831c36f8f7c9339a55e80d6fb.pdf 15:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/db9ef762b96ababefd01d3cfd887a20e.txt 15:44 < nmz787> archels: ^ 15:45 < nmz787> archels: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/A_review_on_3D_micro-additive_manufacturing_technologies.pdf 15:49 < nmz787> archels: see the LCVD section on pg 13, and FIB on pg 14, materials comparisons on pg 18 15:55 -!- cogitokat [~kat@ip70-171-0-190.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:04 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 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divergenta> thanks! --- Log closed Wed Aug 21 00:00:02 2013