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00:32 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ptr.942/pdf
00:32 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag1/10.1002/ptr.942.pdf
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00:45 < poppingtonic> beep boop
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01:17 < nmz787> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12304-008-9006-4
01:17 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1007/s12304-008-9006-4.pdf
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01:56 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3801860?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102593378667
01:57 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Fecal%20Indices%20to%20Dietary%20Quality%20of%20Cervids%20in%20Old-Growth%20Forests.pdf
01:59 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3801209?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102593647387
02:00 < paperbot> TooManyRedirects (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 236, in _build_response)
02:07 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3801209?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102593647387
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02:07 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Habitat%20Use%20by%20Roosevelt%20Elk%20in%20Unmanaged%20Forests%20of%20the%20Hoh%20Valley%2C%20Washington.pdf
02:09 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20611276?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102593647387
02:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Beef%20Cattle%20Industry%20in%20Oregon%2C%201890%20--%201938.pdf
02:13 < nmz787> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_51
02:13 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/60ffd2af3ff29bece44b9f5b7751b711.txt
02:15 < nmz787> paperbot: http://srmjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.2111/1551-5028%282005%2958%3C119%3AMSFSBC%3E2.0.CO%3B2
02:15 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ddfadc432a6ca8b1fe01cce109f53690.txt
02:16 < nmz787> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_51.pdf
02:16 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c7188d9be1b4e6e86d7a8868bb314d3c.txt
02:18 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_51
02:18 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1ecc4dfd1a9ea207e10d54637928063e.txt
02:19 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.2111/1551-5028(2005)58%3C119:MSFSBC%3E2.0.CO;2
02:19 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b5289bb4eaaef6f2e96bd53130c9fbb2.txt
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03:43 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.341.6148.833
03:43 < biostudent> cheers paperbot
03:44 < biostudent> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6148/833.full.pdf
03:44 < paperbot> http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sci/341/6148/833.full.pdf
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04:10 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2494.2010.00780.x/full
04:10 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1111/j.1365-2494.2010.00780.x.pdf
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04:13 < nmz787> biostudent: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_CRISPR_Craze.pdf
04:14 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00221344908986800?journalCode=rjog20#.Uh8pQBusiSo
04:15 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.publish.csiro.au/?paper=RJ9830020
04:15 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Seasonal%20variations%20in%20the%20herbage%20mass%2C%20crude%20protein%20and%20in-vitro%20digestibility%20of%20native%20perennial%20grasses%20on%20the%20north-west%20slopes%20of%20New%20South%20Wales.pdf
04:16 < nmz787> kanzure: I think that last one is broken, going to the directory first then trying to open says 'failed to load'
04:17 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/EA02180
04:17 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Sustainable%20grazing%20systems%20for%20the%20Central%20Tablelands%2C%20New%20South%20Wales.pdf
04:17 < nmz787> kanzure: same thing 'Failed to load PDF document'
04:17 < nmz787> paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=4550552
04:18 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cded36253002272ef58dc0dc69f1bb45.txt
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04:44 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://www.ams.org/journals/mcom/1965-19-090/S0025-5718-1965-0178586-1/
04:45  * poppingtonic pokes gradstudentbot
04:45 < gradstudentbot> Wow, at my old school, I was never allowed this much science.
04:45 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e2eafb5201fdc5bc4aedadc085586d0d.txt
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05:34 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1080%2F00221344908986800%3FjournalCode%3Drjog20%26pubId%3D42467435
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10:31 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Treating%20Progress%20Functions%20as%20a%20Managerial%20Opportunity.pdf
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11:55 < ybit> do we have any friends in/around charlottesville?
11:58 < kanzure> don't think so
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13:43 < nmz787> poppingtonic: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/An_Algorithm_for_the_Machine_Calculation_of_Complex_Fourier_Series.pdf
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13:44  * nmz787 headslap... that paper was free to begin
13:45 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3809349?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102593647387
13:46 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Nutritional%20Quality%20and%20Tannin%20Astringency%20of%20Browse%20in%20Clear-Cuts%20and%20Old-Growth%20Forests.pdf
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13:49 < ParahSailin> nmz787: you feeding livestock?
13:59 < nmz787> ParahSailin: sort of indirectly... visited a raw milk dairy yesterday and now kind of obsessed about learning more about their management
14:00 < nmz787> specifically the farm is attempting to be permaculture and low/no outside chemical inputs...
14:00 < nmz787> including fossil fuels
14:00 < nmz787> currently the cows have pasture and forest to graze
14:01 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_51
14:01 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7e7f3e40d0da02e38dbc79f020270629.txt
14:02 < ParahSailin> nmz787: these ones are mine https://plus.google.com/photos/108592484668460515128/albums/5838517469299267185?authkey=CITGk5Cfu5DdrQE
14:02 < ParahSailin> holy crap, her horns grew a lot bigger
14:03 < ParahSailin> they used to be little nubbins
14:06 < ParahSailin> nmz787: its probably likely that chemical nitrogen fixation will continue to be more effective than biological
14:07 < ParahSailin> undoubtedly even after fossil fuels are gone, a nuclear or solar way to do that will come about
14:13 < nmz787> ParahSailin: they look like they're doing pretty good
14:15 < nmz787> the farmer said he doesn't use any medicine, that having native mixed-vegetation to graze allows the animals to choose toxic plants when they need... but he mentioned thinking alder tree was a de-wormer but I haven't been able to find any hard evidence on that... though I did find a few ethnobotanical veterinary medicine books that I need to scan through
14:16 < nmz787> seems like worms really don't mess up the milk, but can cause production decreases
14:17 < nmz787> e.coli and that other common milk bug is really my only other concern I guess... he says the milk doesn't turn white in the winter because the diversity allows there to be some green plants in the winter (this is western oregon)
14:17 < nmz787> but i think the milk bugs are really only a problem with really sick cows, or unsanitary milking conditions
14:18 < nmz787> i found at least one paper saying that some plants are quick to kill cows and horses though, so I do wonder if the farmer is aware of those local/present species (if there are any around here), and if so weeds them out
14:20  * heath waves adíos
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14:42 < jrayhawk> e.coli is an external contamination problem and raw milk is fairly antiseptic, so generally you have to fuck up pretty bad to get contamination problems
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14:43 < jrayhawk> i don't recall having seen studies of grassfed vs. CAFO raw milk contamination rates
14:43 < jrayhawk> seems like it would be relevant
14:44 < jrayhawk> CAFO cows would both have crappier immunology and less sanitary living conditions
14:44 < nmz787> http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/08/everything-there-is-to-know-about-science-in-6-seconds/279131/
14:44 < nmz787> pretty cool video(s)
14:44 < ParahSailin> wait, python doesnt have NaN?
14:45 < jrayhawk> the anti-raw-milk thing, aside from the outright intellectual dishonesty of including mexican bathtub cheese, seems likely to be driven by, and possibly even valid under, a CAFO paradigm
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14:50 < nmz787> the farmer mentioned that he found boar taint to only affect confined animals, at least in the breed he's using (tamworth mix)
14:51 < nmz787> it was kind of funny when I saw a goat leg in the pig pasture... guess the pigs get any and all extras
14:51 < jrayhawk> never piss off a pig farmer
14:52 < jrayhawk> they can dispose of bodies *real* fast.
14:53 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s11284-008-0488-y
14:53 < juri_> would anyone be offended if i glowed about a cool toy i helped to create here? ;)
14:53 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1007/s11284-008-0488-y.pdf
14:53 < nmz787> juri_: i say go for it
14:53 < juri_> it falls under the 'do something' ethos of the place.
14:53 < juri_> :)
14:54 < juri_> myself and one of the "evil 3d printed gun people" got together, and spent about four months off and on inventing a new hotend for 3d printers.
14:54 < juri_> we've created an ultra efficient water cooled hotend, with a crazy low thermal mass, that is capable of printing polycarbonate reliably.
14:55 < juri_> so i got to do *something* to push technology forward. :D
14:55 < juri_> printing polycarbonate (bulletproof glass) makes 3d printed objects just tougher.
14:55 < jrayhawk> Next, the Gada prize!
14:55 < juri_> i can now safely print car parts.
14:56 < juri_> our next trick will be printing aluminium.
14:56 < juri_> after that, we're debating whether to try to print carbon nanotubes, or whether to re-focus our work on bioprinters.
14:57 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it should take me about 2 days.
14:58 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378874113004108
14:58 < juri_> i've also put a frint end on the GNU GIFT image recognition system (which i maintain) that makes it useful for form sorting. it doesn't actually push the technology forward, but does make it more accessable.. assuming i can complete the image security, and permission model so that i can make it public safely.
14:58 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ethnopharmacological%20.pdf
14:58 < nmz787> juri_: why would a hot end need cooling?
14:58 < jrayhawk> Especially at 255-305 centigrade
14:59 < juri_> nmz87: fine pitched thermal gradient control. you want the melt zone as small as possible.
14:59 < nmz787> oh my a wikipedia article has someone with my last name!
14:59 < juri_> this hot end is all steel on the inside (made of a carefully adjusted bolt), so heat has a tendency to travel to the tip of the hot end, and melt the plastic above it, creating a blockage.
15:00 < juri_> that poor, poor bolt. its 300C at one point, and room temperature an inch away.
15:01 < juri_> we've insulated the hell out of it, so we actually pull all the heat away via water.
15:01 < juri_> this means we get to decide how much heat to pull away, measure the heat.. all that fun stuff.
15:01 < juri_> bonus: on my rig here, we're installing a peltier junction, to supercool the water.
15:02 < juri_> we're going for a really tightly controlled thermal system, as any swing causes either a bit of platic to exit the nozzle (where you don't want it), or air to be sucked into the nozzle.
15:03 < juri_> this is practice, for printing aluminium, where the difference between "solid" "mushy" and "runny" is a few degrees.
15:09 < ParahSailin> juri_: you made a nozzle for printing polycarbonate?
15:09 < aelinoea> really really cool, in the european burn event two artists recycled old aluminium cans by heating them up and then pouring them to shapes, do you think it would be possible to use recycled aluminium also juri_ ?
15:10 < juri_> ParahSailin: affirmative.
15:10 < gradstudentbot> We simply don't do enough titrations in my lab.
15:10 < juri_> aelinoea: absolutely. its not really home economical, but its certainly possible. the difficult part is extruding it into wire.
15:10 < ParahSailin> not sure if id call polycarbonate bulletproof
15:11 < ParahSailin> thats pretty cool though
15:11 < ParahSailin> what is the input? pc filament?
15:11 < juri_> it certainly won't be bulletproof once printed.
15:11 < aelinoea> do you frequent this channel (I am #newhere) ? this is very fascinating and would love to be posted about further advancements :D
15:11 < juri_> yepyep.
15:11 < ParahSailin> what about printing polyethylene?
15:11 < juri_> i frequent, but i'm usually quiet, as i do not want to disturb people actually doing stuff.
15:12 < ParahSailin> is that not possible for some physical reason?
15:12 < juri_> ParahSailin: we've shoved PC, ABS, and PLA down it. haven't tested anything else.
15:12 < juri_> the materials should be safe up to 500C.. but no-one has been brave enough to melt a hot end yet.
15:12 < ParahSailin> whys it need water cooling?
15:13 < ParahSailin> oh nevermind i see
15:13 < ParahSailin> juri_: how fast can you print
15:14 < juri_> i dunno yet. its passed test, but i don't have mine in my hand yet. i beta tested the previous 4 generations.
15:15 < juri_> so i have cooked and destroyed a lot of plastic. i get mine saturday.
15:15 < juri_> a lot of 'how fast' is dependant on the controll system.
15:17 < ParahSailin> how many grams per hour could you push through it
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15:24 < nmz787> "In the game, the fan named 'Jump man' (the character would later become Mario) must ascend a construction site while avoiding obstacles to rescue Pauline from Donkey Kong"
15:24 < nmz787> now just change s/Pauline/journal articles/
15:24 < juri_> no-one has done a speed test, yet. wait until i get a few weeks of pulling numbers out of it, and i'll have an answer.
15:24 < nmz787> bam, new cartoon and game enterprise
15:25 < nmz787> gamification of paperbot
15:25 < juri_> the answer SHOULD be "faster than anyone else period" due to the low thermal mass, and high insulation.
15:25 < nmz787> for al those captchas and bugs that pop up
15:25 < nmz787> s/Mario/paperbot/
15:26 < ParahSailin> juri_: sounds cool
15:26 < ParahSailin> juri_: whats the price point gonna be
15:28 < juri_> $250 for the kit. comes with hoses, pumps, etc.. and another $6 for the export controlled temperature sensor. (.5 C precision VS 3 degree for the non-export controlled one).
15:29 < juri_> http://i.imgur.com/wYkWzNM.jpg
15:29 < ParahSailin> cool
15:29 < juri_> its also much shorter than all of the traditional hotends. gives you a little bit of a boost for Z height. ;)
15:33 < juri_> now i have to put back on my tester hat, and get miles of numbers out of this thing...
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15:51 < nmz787> ParahSailin: one nice thing about the permaculture is that it's 'inefficiency'/lower-density relative to chemical nitrogen fixation is that I don't like dense urban environments... so supporting this might discourage the other
15:51 < nmz787> that's sort of a wacky idea
15:53 < kanzure> what's a good alternative to raspberry pi?
15:53 < kanzure> something that actually works
15:53 < kanzure> and that isn't crippled
15:55 < kanzure> like the other beagleboard
15:55 < nmz787> beagle
15:55 < kanzure> no the other one
15:55 < kanzure> beaglebone?
15:55 < nmz787> depends what you want
15:55 < nmz787> there are a few beagles
15:56 < nmz787> http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black
15:56 < nmz787> $45
15:56 < nmz787> i thought the raspi was making a lot of headway
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16:00 < nmz787> maybe the parallela (but I guess it's not widely used yet) http://shop.adapteva.com/collections/parallella/products/parallella-16
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16:00 < nmz787> i thought there was one recently that had the DSP open for use
16:00 < nmz787> but i can't seem to figure out if that was real or not
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16:08 < nmz787> kanzure: this looks very nice for beaglebone https://bitbucket.org/intelligentagent/pypruss/src
16:08 < streety> what's the issue with the raspberrypi? crippled in what way? (I've never used one)
16:08 < gradstudentbot> The autoclave smells really good.
16:08 < nmz787> http://blog.boxysean.com/2012/08/12/first-steps-with-the-beaglebone-pru/
16:09 < nmz787> http://elinux.org/ECE497_BeagleBone_PRU
16:14 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1157738?uid=1075664&uid=3739696&uid=2&uid=3&uid=1075640&uid=67&uid=62&uid=3739256&sid=21102546068981
16:14 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.2307%2F1157738
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16:21 < nmz787> poppingtonic: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Left_Hand_of_the_Mugwe_An_Analytical_Note_on_the_Structure_of_Meru_Symbolism_.pdf
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16:24 < nmz787> poppingtonic: please give a synopsis of your findings after reading that, it's too long for me to read now
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16:26 < poppingtonic> nmz87: thanks, I'll do that.
16:27 < poppingtonic> nmz787: ^
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17:50 < kanzure> EricHunting: hello
17:50 < EricHunting> Hi
17:53 < EricHunting> Been looking at kit CNCs lately.
17:54 < EricHunting> Thinking about working with Wikihouse to make wheeled tiny houses. Seem to be very popular lately.
17:56 < JayDugger> Any particular kits catch your interest?
17:57 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't know, but I'll have to look into that.
17:58 < EricHunting> Digirout has some promising ones. The DR1000 and DR1000-eco look likely.
17:59 < EricHunting> I have a lot of credit from my business saved up on Amazon and thought I might talk them into putting a package on there.
18:01 < EricHunting> The Blackfoot from DIYcnc is already on Amazon, but with 1000 parts it seems like more hassle--and that doesn't come with a table.
18:02 < EricHunting> Still a big problem with where to actually put it. It could just about fit in my cottage's finished basement room, but I don't know if I could live with all the dust, even with a collector and shop air filter.
18:03 < JayDugger> Do you have a local hackerspace?
18:04 < EricHunting> Alas, no. I'm out in the desert south of Santa Fe.
18:05 < JayDugger> Haven't been there in years, but I doubt it urbanized much.
18:06 < JayDugger> What about leaving it outdoors, under a tent?
18:06 < JayDugger> If you live far enough from your nearest neighbors, perhaps that would do.
18:06 < EricHunting> For a short time that could work, but not in the winters here. High plains get a lot of snow.
18:07 < JayDugger> It would expose the machinery to dirt too. You'd have to handle wear and tear.
18:07 < EricHunting> I thought perhaps the Wikihouse designers could come up with a work shed for it that could be made with it.
18:08 < JayDugger> Oh, now that's a good idea.
18:08 < ParaSa1lin> wikihouse?
18:08 < EricHunting> That would be a logical first project for it.
18:08 < JayDugger> http://www.wikihouse.cc/
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18:09 < JayDugger> "...an open source construction set...allow anyone to design, download, and 'print' CNC-milled houses and components, which can be assembled with minimal formal skill or training."
18:09 < JayDugger> I wonder if they have treehouses.
18:09 < EricHunting> Builds on the Instant House concept.
18:10 < EricHunting> Just a few designs there so far.
18:11 < JayDugger> EricHunting, you're with TMP, do I have that right?
18:12 < ParaSa1lin> tmp?
18:12 < JayDugger> http://tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
18:12 < EricHunting> Yes. The Millennial Project.
18:12 < JayDugger> The Millennial Project 2.0, rather.
18:13 < JayDugger> Who in your group could answer questions about growing spirulina at home?
18:13 < EricHunting> A space development program first devised in the late '80s by Marshal Savage.
18:15 < EricHunting> Maybe Keith Dauzat <keithd21@yahoo.com>
18:15 < JayDugger> Is he involved with Spirulina Systems in Palmdale, CA?
18:16 < JayDugger> That group has a (fully-funded) kickstarter for a home kit, and I'd like an independent opinion before putting my money down.
18:16 < EricHunting> I don't think so. He's only explored that and other mariculture concepts on a hobby level.
18:16 < JayDugger> Great. Thank you.
18:18 < EricHunting> The organization lost a lot of the original serious researchers in an old conflict over a sea or space first development agenda.
18:19 < ParaSa1lin> heh
18:19 < juri_> has anyone here been looking at the openPNP project?
18:19 < ParaSa1lin> space doesnt have much to offer
18:19 < ParaSa1lin> why not do antarctica first
18:19 < ParaSa1lin> free air
18:19 < juri_> the gravity works, too.
18:20 < JayDugger> I wondered what happened.
18:21 < JayDugger> Antarctica has air, gravity, and neighbors.
18:21 < EricHunting> The sea has the advantage of providing a powerful sustainable energy source through OTEC.
18:21 < superkuh> It isn't about living space. It is about exploration of the entirely new, distribution of humanity, and being awesome.
18:21 < ParaSa1lin> antarctica is pretty new and explorable
18:21 < superkuh> No humans have lived in space. Who knows what kind of accidental discoveries can be made when you get people doing everyday things up there.
18:22 < superkuh> Outside of a gravity well, in easy vacuum.
18:22 < ParaSa1lin> why just the other day, they discovered a canyon bigger than the grand canyon under greenland
18:22 < JayDugger> And subject to overlapping territorial claims, too. While you could make the same point about space and other heavenly bodies, Antarctica has neighbors and claimants with navies.
18:23 < JayDugger> And Elder Things. ;)
18:26 < EricHunting> Putin will probably parasail in astride bear and plant a flag as soon as the ice melts.
18:27 < JayDugger> Happy image, that.
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18:33 < EricHunting> https://twitter.com/PutinPals
18:33 < EricHunting> Well, I'm off. Nice chatting.
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18:55 < nmz787> tru dat http://www.npr.org/2013/08/29/216079221/another-grand-canyon-discovered-beneath-greenlands-ice
18:57 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, ttp://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/997
18:57 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/997
18:57 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1239794
18:57 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1126%2Fscience.1239794
18:58 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Paleofluvial%20Mega-Canyon%20Beneath%20the%20Central%20Greenland%20Ice%20Sheet.pdf
18:58 < gradstudentbot> You know, I can just do consulting.
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19:05 < nmz787> i dunno, that doesn't look terribly grand to me
19:07 < nmz787> depth up to 800m
19:07 < nmz787> grand canyon is 1800m
19:08 < nmz787> Grand Canyon is 6.4 to 29km wide
19:08 < gradstudentbot> The paper was rejected.
19:09 < nmz787> oh "The dimensions of the Greenland canyon are comparable with parts of the Grand Canyon in the United States in terms of width and length and, in its deepest region, are about half of the Grand Canyons depth."
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19:41 < nmz787> this is cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-density_modulation#Relationship_to_biology
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19:48 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/BF02860848
19:48 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF02860848.pdf
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21:03 < nmz787> how can i search 23andme data for a gene CYB5R3?
21:04 < ParaSa1lin> dbsnp
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21:07 < nmz787> do i search that gene name with SNP selected?
21:08 < nmz787> so dnsnp gives the rsids for the gene, which you can then search 23andme data with?
21:11 < ParaSa1lin> does 23andme let you download their database?
21:15 < ParaSa1lin> ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/snp/organisms/human_9606/gene_report/CYB5R3_1727_gene_report.txt.gz
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21:31 < nmz787> my buddy says "yea...but i need the rsid for specific snps that are named by some other convention in the literature
21:31 < nmz787> that i dont know what it is heh
21:31 < nmz787> already wasted enough time i needed to spend on other shit...might try again when i have some free time."
21:32 < nmz787> pasted that link to him
21:49 < nmz787> "  http://omim.org/entry/250800
21:49 < nmz787> lists some stuff but nothing about snps and given how old the data is i doubt it was snps"
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21:49 < nmz787> " so its chromosomal location is 22q13.2 but it doesnt look like RS numbers are sequential or anything to link up to site really"
21:49 < nmz787> " http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/P00387
21:49 < nmz787> lists some snp variants
21:49 < nmz787> but it doesnt say if any of them are linked to physiologic expression"
21:50 < nmz787> "CYB5R3 was mentioned, it was in reference to methemoglobinemia"
21:51 < ParaSa1lin> snp databases have very little information on what the effects of the variant are
21:52 < ParaSa1lin> there really isn't "data" on that sort of thing as much as "anedatum" in various papers
21:52 < ParaSa1lin> anecdatum
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