--- Log opened Wed Sep 04 00:00:15 2013 02:37 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41 -!- spresser [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vskfeuikqebekdnm] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:41 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iytpyxrcvivtodzi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:45 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:52 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:52 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:53 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:54 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:13 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wkkusykbwzhrnvwv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- spresser [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-botfderthoioljpr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:01 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:08 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:15 -!- rk[zzz] is now known as rk[wrk] 04:22 -!- Shehrazad_ [~Shehrazad@ks385966.kimsufi.com] has quit [Quit: Quit] 04:34 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wkkusykbwzhrnvwv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:43 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-150.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:57 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:25 < kanzure> brownies: remind me to never let you touch my source code 06:26 < brownies> kanzure: you already protected against that by writing it all in javascript, remember? 06:26 < kanzure> not good enough damn it 06:27 < gradstudentbot> Sorry for wasting your time. 06:31 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrjqhwgwcpxqwrdi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 06:51 -!- nsh [~nsh@ilyanfe.infologie.co] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:51 -!- nsh [~nsh@ilyanfe.infologie.co] has quit [Changing host] 06:51 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:56 < heath> gradstudentbot: wtf 06:56 < gradstudentbot> Hah, look at figure 6. That's definitely a little weird. 07:49 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-22-47.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:52 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-22-47.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:56 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@pool-108-18-204-142.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:57 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@pool-108-18-204-142.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:37 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- ielo [~ielo@94.117.41.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:38 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 09:38 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:00 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- ielo [~ielo@94.117.41.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:57 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 -!- TkTech [~TkTech@irc.tkte.ch] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 11:37 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 < heath> https://github.com/google/gumbo-parser 11:40 < heath> .title 11:40 < yoleaux> google/gumbo-parser · GitHub 11:40 < heath> "Gumbo - A pure-C HTML5 parser." 11:40 < heath> "To install the python bindings, make sure that the C library is installed first, and then sudo python setup.py install from the root of the distro. This installs a 'gumbo' module; pydoc gumbo should tell you about it." 11:45 -!- rk[imposter] [~rkimposte@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48 < heath> thanks for starring git-pissed, i didn't know about dygraphs 11:55 < kanzure> the stalk is strong in you 11:55 < kanzure> frankly i'm surprised you can keep up with that feed, i think i just sent out like 10 pull requests in the last hour 12:03 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 -!- n_bentha [42e60ab0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.230.10.176] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:13 < n_bentha> question: are these buffers legit? : http://openwetware.org/wiki/Qiagen_Buffers 13:22 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-150.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:42 < heath> given this challenge https://gist.github.com/heath/e8ad894f99aaa016e168 13:42 < heath> wrong room, this isn't the PEG room 13:50 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:20 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:29 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@90.206.170.141] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 < chris_99> ThomasEgi, be thee about per chance 14:37 < ThomasEgi> what who where me? 14:37 * ThomasEgi slams his coffin open 14:37 < ThomasEgi> who summoned me? 14:37 < chris_99> hehe, have you ever done anything to measure capacitance before? 14:38 < ThomasEgi> yeah. 14:38 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 < chris_99> so basically i was looking at this 14:39 < chris_99> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/parasitx/the-beerbugtm-digital-hydrometer/posts/568516 14:39 < gradstudentbot> I'm working on a paper, I need to be left alone. 14:39 < chris_99> 'Our new sensor relies on highly accurate capacitance measurements between a blade and target to read and report the changing density of your brew.' 14:39 < chris_99> how hard would it be to measure the capacitance with an ADC 14:40 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:40 < ThomasEgi> what capacitances are we talking about? like how many F (roughly) 14:41 < chris_99> no idea tbh, i've not done any experiments with the capacitance of beer. i'm guessing uF or pF ish 14:42 < panax> 'capacitance of beer' 14:42 < panax> thats a big range 14:42 < chris_99> over like 1cm lets say 14:42 < panax> the adc itself is probably a switched capacitor adc 14:42 < chris_99> ;) 14:42 < ThomasEgi> there are like 6 orders of magnitude between a uF and a pF 14:42 < chris_99> roughly speaking though how does one measure capacitance 14:43 < panax> you measure charge 14:43 < ThomasEgi> you build a bridge 14:43 < ThomasEgi> like a wheatstone bridge 14:43 < chris_99> oh ok, then what? 14:43 < ThomasEgi> the you connect it to an AC source. 14:44 < panax> you can do that too 14:44 < chris_99> and measure the voltage at the other end? 14:44 < ThomasEgi> this is an AC meassurement. 14:44 < panax> measure the frequency response 14:45 < chris_99> ah ok, this sounds very cool 14:45 < chris_99> what's this called? 14:47 < ThomasEgi> there are many ways to meassure capacities 14:47 < ThomasEgi> it really depends on what you deal with. 14:47 < chris_99> hmm, maybe i should get a multimeter that can do this first 14:47 < chris_99> then go from there 14:48 < chris_99> so i know roughly what i'm dealing with 14:48 < ThomasEgi> while capacities in the uF range can be meassured by simply discharging them with and recording the voltage. smaller capacitances require more complex setups 14:48 < chris_99> aha ok 14:48 < chris_99> more complex being the freq. approach? 14:51 < ThomasEgi> there are many. as i said. 14:52 < ThomasEgi> the simplest one is simply charging or discharging. then there are a number of AC methods which aim to meassure phase-delay, use frequency modulation or amplitude modulation (like creating a low/highpass) 14:52 < chris_99> http://www.romanblack.com/onesec/CapMeter.htm 14:52 < chris_99> looks interesting 14:53 < ThomasEgi> the question really is, what capacitance you want to meassure. 14:54 < chris_99> yeah i really have no idea at the moment, i'll have to test out something like that circuit 14:54 < ThomasEgi> that circuit would work well down to like single-digit nF (rough guess) 14:54 < chris_99> presumably i just then need a high freq. ADC 14:54 < chris_99> with bit depth not too important 14:54 < ThomasEgi> but if your capacitance is something like 40pF, things get worse 14:55 < ThomasEgi> a fast ADC is not even strictly neccessary. 14:55 < ThomasEgi> the lower the capacitance you meassure the more problematic the circit itself becomes. 14:56 < ThomasEgi> as everything has capacities. wires, resistors, even the semiconductors itself have charges all over the place. 14:59 < chris_99> mm indeed 15:03 < chris_99> well this www.mems-issys.com/pdf/issystech5.pdf‎ seems very interesting 15:03 < chris_99> 'A Density / Specific Gravity Meter Based on 15:03 < chris_99> Silicon Microtube Technology' 15:08 -!- rk[wrk] is now known as ryankarason 15:35 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@90.206.170.141] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12 < kanzure> hmm http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17195 16:12 < kanzure> named pipes don't work in wine 16:12 < kanzure> .. or something. 16:51 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04 < heath> https://github.com/nferraz/st :: basic stats from the cli 17:27 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- rk[imposter] [~rkimposte@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:4400:c4c6:abd8:1b12:d85a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:29 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:05 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:06 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12 -!- joehot [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:19 -!- padz [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:40 < kanzure> yashgaroth: what's up at the lab? 19:40 < yashgaroth> genomikon presentation last night, even more underwhelming than I expected 19:44 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46 < yashgaroth> what else...I need to form an LLC at the lab, and my company will be trashing their 80's FPLC rig so I can probably snag that 19:53 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:54 -!- padz [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 -!- padz [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:03 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:09 < kanzure> yashgaroth: let me know if you want blackhatbio llc 20:10 < yashgaroth> gotta stay on the down-low for now, but I'll keep it in mind 20:11 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[zzz] 21:23 < rigel> http://runningahackerspace.tumblr.com/post/43015456699/new-transhumanist-meetup 21:24 < kanzure> tumblr link, probably porn 21:24 * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 21:24 < gradstudentbot> Don't you have anything better to be doing? 21:24 < brownies> i don't get it. is he suggesting that transhumanists are always loafing around? 21:24 < kanzure> he is demonstrating how to cut bread with a wedge 21:25 < kanzure> or applying invisible butter 21:26 < brownies> those explanations are not any butter than mine. 21:28 < yashgaroth> the crumbs represent AI, you see 21:29 < kanzure> question: 21:29 < yashgaroth> or furries, I forget which 21:29 < kanzure> may i cash in my crumbs for internet points? 21:29 < yashgaroth> bitcoins only 21:54 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:54 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:09 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:29 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:36 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:4400:c4c6:abd8:1b12:d85a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Sep 05 00:00:16 2013