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06:54 < archels> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1460-9568.1994.tb00286.x/pdf
06:55 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1111/j.1460-9568.1994.tb00286.x.pdf
06:55 < archels> paperbot: thx2u
06:56 < nalkri> A gentleman is someone who thanks his robot :)
06:57 < archels> haha
06:57 < archels> hey, they're gonna have to live with us as much as we with them ;)
06:57 < nalkri> Yeah, so we should make an effort to make it a friendly relationship
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07:49 < kanzure> email describing the python/javascript bridge thing i did, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/phantomjs/r6j5s4UN3BQ
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08:32 < kanzure> huh "The GObject type system does things that you can't do in C++. For one thing, it allows creation of new classes at runtime, and does this in a way that is language-independent - you can define a new class in Python at runtime, then manipulate instances of that class within a function written in C, which need not even be aware that Python was ever involved."
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09:44 < entelechios> kanzure thats pretty damn cool
09:44 < entelechios> i've been perusing the possibilities of using a javascript/python stack
09:44 < entelechios> nothing as leet as what you're pulling off tho haha just for webapps
09:45 < entelechios> something more along the lines of this
09:45 < entelechios> http://b.drwlrsn.com/post/44971679516/flask-todo-emberjs-pt1
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09:46 < kanzure> entelechios: pyjamas-desktop is a ui framework that uses webkit as the gui, check it out
09:46 < entelechios> oh neat
09:46 < entelechios> how well would that scale out tho heh
09:47 < entelechios> i like the possibilities clientside MVC offers
09:47 < entelechios> ah yeah totally different aims than what i'm interested in methinks, still cool though
09:48 < entelechios> my works mostly in web/mobile
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09:52 < kanzure> pyjamas-desktop is web/mobile compatible. it generates javascript that creates a ui that is equivalent to the desktop version.
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09:55 < entelechios> i see that, i'm just question whether or not it's web/mobile optimal
09:56 < kanzure> eh not very mobile optimized
09:56 < kanzure> for mobile/web things i prefer cordova
09:56 < entelechios> methinks i'm just question
09:57 < entelechios> wow i'm talking weird toady
09:57 < gradstudentbot> Do you have references for that?
09:57 < entelechios> toady lol
09:57 < entelechios> cordova looks neat
09:57 < entelechios> i've used appcelerator titanium for a few projects
09:57 < entelechios> which has worked out great
09:57 < kanzure> cordova is phonegap
09:58 < kanzure> or rather, was phonegap
09:58 < entelechios> it started out pretty buggy that project but it's got its feet now
09:58 < kanzure> at this point i wouldn't recommend appcelerator
09:58 < kanzure> you should just write in javascript directly
09:58 < entelechios> yeah it's been about a year since i've come back to it and one of my clients wants a reboot of his old app
09:58 < entelechios> has appcelerator started to shit the bed yet?
10:00 < kanzure> dunno, i haven't used it in forever
10:00 < kanzure> i've had lots of performance problems with cordova/javascript, like clicks being delayed by 400ms because nobody in jquery mobile land knows how to write click event listeners
10:00 < entelechios> i'd need good support for reaching in to thinks like contact list access
10:00 < kanzure> in most cases it is far easier to just write vanilla java for an android app
10:00 < kanzure> or objective c for ios stuff
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10:00 < entelechios> hahaha yeah appcelerator never gave me issues like that
10:00 < entelechios> we're writing a VOIP app
10:01 < kanzure> i wouldn't want to try voip in javascript
10:01 < entelechios> getting some chinese people or whoever wants to do it for decent price on a decent reputation
10:01 < kanzure> unless they compile in webrtc things
10:01 < entelechios> to do the obj-c/java modules
10:01 < kanzure> "decent price"
10:01 < kanzure> i managed a team of 10 in vietnam at one point. but i always ended up writing 40% of the code upfront and having them do the rest.
10:01 < entelechios> yeah or just purchasing pre-existing code pretty much
10:01 < entelechios> we won't pay for it until we know its not shit
10:01 < kanzure> (they were doing mobile things)
10:01 < entelechios> there's some offers on the table
10:03 < entelechios> that webrtc stuff is pretty damn cool
10:03 < entelechios> http://www.jssip.net/
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10:03 < entelechios> check that out, sounds like you may have seen it already somehow but
10:04 < kanzure> scares me that it's in js. most mobile phones are going to have trouble with that.
10:04 < entelechios> oh yeah of course
10:04 < kanzure> i'm not even sure if vanilla webkit on android has webrtc features turned on
10:04 < entelechios> i wouldn't dream of that working on my phone any time soon hahaha
10:04 < kanzure> android 4.1 i'd be really surprised if it has webrtc stuff
10:04 < ParahSailin> dang wheres pbot
10:04 < entelechios> still, an audio/video client in js is an impressive feat
10:05 < entelechios> roll your own omegle or whatever haha
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10:09 < heath> kanzure: they update the browser independently of the OS now iirc
10:09 < kanzure> i doubt it
10:09 < kanzure> ParahSailin: paperbot is back
10:10  * heath still wants basic things like fullscreen access in the mobile version of chrome 
10:12 < entelechios> they added that a couple months ago yo
10:13 < heath> is it common to still retain recognition for "grammar review" if it's been a couple of revisions since you last reviewed it? :| http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview-08
10:13 < heath> grammatical*, w/e
10:16 < heath> stupid question, ignore
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11:41 < archels> "If you feel compelled to tart it up, you can call equation 3 Gibbs inequality and F(q, θ) the negative variational free energy."
11:41 < archels> haha
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11:48 < kanzure> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/fatal-crypto-flaw-in-some-government-certified-smartcards-makes-forgery-a-snap/
11:48 < kanzure> http://smartfacts.cr.yp.to/smartfacts-20130916.pdf
11:48 < kanzure> paperbot: http://smartfacts.cr.yp.to/smartfacts-20130916.pdf
11:49 < paperbot> TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 825, in text)
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12:21 < kanzure> sigh
12:21 < kanzure> maybe we should just kill paperbot until someone bothers to fix it
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13:04 < entelechios> kanzure, so you leave paperbot links to papers like so?
13:04 < kanzure> hm?
13:04 < kanzure> it sucks up pdfs and puts them on a server for me
13:05 < kanzure> so i might as well use it to store pdfs for me instead of manually uploading them myself
13:05 < entelechios> ah cool
13:05 < entelechios> yeah i've yet to really get into the guts of the sucka
13:05 < kanzure> the guts are really unclean and i apologize
13:05 < entelechios> guy who owns the box where i have the shell is doing some networking reconfig
13:05 < kanzure> there's a v2 that is upcoming, written in javascript
13:06 < kanzure> does streaming html parsing and streaming pdf parsing to remove nsa watermarks
13:06 < entelechios> neat
13:06 < entelechios> i wasn't aware of these watermarks really
13:06 < kanzure> python version of the pdf scrubber is https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia
13:06 < kanzure> check out pdfparanoia to see a few samples in the tests/ directory
13:06 < kanzure> yes paperbot is stripping off the watermarks. which is why you don't see them.
13:06 < entelechios> yea that's the one that had bugs in it when i tried adding it as a requirement for paperbot
13:06 < kanzure> oh i see
13:06 < kanzure> well post bug reports and let me know if i can help
13:07 < entelechios> for sure when that box is back up i'll give you a couple pull reqs
13:07 < entelechios> just a couple syntax errors that was stopping setup.py from runnin
13:07 < kanzure> aw fuck
13:07 < kanzure> that blows
13:08 < kanzure> how did it work for me, then?
13:08 < entelechios> heh they were really easy to fix.
13:08 < entelechios> probably because w/e you got locally was fixed :)
13:08 < entelechios> i'd guess anyways
13:08 < entelechios> oh this box is up whaddya know
13:08 < entelechios> gimme a sec
13:09 < kanzure> oh i see it
13:09 < kanzure> shiiitz
13:09 < kanzure> line 16-18
13:09 < kanzure> should not be there
13:10 < entelechios> yes
13:10 < entelechios> and in sciencemagazine.py
13:10 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/pull/33
13:10 < entelechios> line 40
13:11 < kanzure> whaat
13:11 < kanzure> yeah i see it
13:11 < entelechios> that's about it
13:11 < entelechios> i didn't get much further than that
13:11 < entelechios> had more pressing matters
13:12 < entelechios> may as well fix it yourself i'm already on enough lists as it is w/o messing with something like pdfparanoia hahahaha
13:12 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/pull/34
13:12 < entelechios> sweet
13:12 < kanzure> okay merged both of those
13:13 < entelechios> && using pdfminer at that commit is still recommended?
13:14 < kanzure> still gotta use pdfminer, yeah
13:15 < kanzure> i've released v0.0.15 to pypi if you care
13:15 < kanzure> as of 2 seconds ago
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13:21 < kanzure> so all of that should be fixed now
13:21 < kanzure> let me know if there's still more BS causing you trouble
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13:28 < entelechios> for sure. just trying to get xulrunner sdk working on freebsd at this point
13:28 < entelechios> should work eventually :)
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13:31 < kanzure> the javascript version of paperbot doesn't require xulrunner, so hopefully you will encourage me to make more progress on that
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14:26 < ParahSailin> who was the one working with the acetobacter that makes cellulose
14:30 < kanzure> i know a few people who were working with acetobacter, but not who was working on cellulose things
14:30 < kanzure> i'll look up your request through my mini nsa database in a bit
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14:58  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
14:58 < gradstudentbot> Don't you know you're contaminating my experiment?
14:58  * nalkri pokes gradstudentbot's experiment
14:58 < gradstudentbot> Don't you have anything better to be doing?
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15:32 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.5772/56057
15:32 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/22aa1614fbb0fcc051618b4e108acb85.txt
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15:38 < entelechios> ParahSailin: http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/44966/InTech-Bamboo_based_biocomposites_material_design_and_applications.pdf
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17:55 < SPhericalMouse> toot toot
17:58 < heath> .
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18:16 < kanzure> SPhericalMouse: hey, how's it going?
18:16 < SPhericalMouse> doing ok
18:17 < SPhericalMouse> moving slowly on the fluid robot
18:17 < SPhericalMouse> lots of starts and restarts
18:18 < ParahSail1n> hm it was jonathan who was doing the acetobacter stuff
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19:32 < kanzure> haha http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5854515/large-plot-20-million-samples-gigabytes-of-data
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19:44 < entelechios> paperbot: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0063972
19:44 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Psychedelics%20and%20Mental%20Health%3A%20A%20Population%20Study.pdf
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20:30 < justanotheruser> Hello
20:40 < kanzure> hi
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21:06 < kanzure> ugh this is not how you should write wrappers https://code.google.com/p/ctypes-opencv/source/browse/trunk/src/ctypes_opencv/cxcore.py#5809
21:06 < kanzure> 'ListPOINTER', 'ListPOINTER2',
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21:28 < ParahSailin_> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.conbuildmat.2011.10.046
21:28 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1016/j.conbuildmat.2011.10.046.pdf
21:29 < ParahSailin_> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1061/(ASCE)MT.1943-5533.0000253
21:29 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3065da076c985b8586bb6ebe52ddd711.txt
21:48 < justanotheruser> gradstudentbot: hello
21:48 < gradstudentbot> Do I use a one or two sided t-test for that?
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22:15 < justanotheruser> kanzure: do you like ted talks
22:22 < kanzure> no
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22:47 < justanotheruser> kanzure: do you like any forms of entertainment that inform?
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22:48  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
22:48 < gradstudentbot> Why aren't you doing science right now?
22:48 < poppingtonic> a_
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22:51 < justanotheruser1> kanzure: do you like any form of entertainment that informs?
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23:02 < kanzure> justanotheruser: ted doesn't inform. most of their talks are marketing pitches.
23:02 < kanzure> justanotheruser: it becomes extremely obvious when you watch a talk from a friend and you see how they twist the details to fit the ted talk narrative. maybe you would enjoy watching the onion ted talks?
23:03 < justanotheruser> Yes I have seen the onion talks
23:03 < justanotheruser> and there are a lot of really bad ted talks I agree, but I think Paul Rothemunds talk was good
23:04 < kanzure> paul rothemund is better in person
23:04 < justanotheruser> Unless Paul Rothemund was that friend
23:04 < kanzure> well, maybe not. he didn't seem to think so.
23:04 < kanzure> no, there have been other friends of ##hplusroadmap that have given ted talks
23:04 < kanzure> marcin, ellen, paul, other people i forget
23:05 < justanotheruser> Does paul come on here?
23:05 < kanzure> last time i saw paul was 2009 http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2009-09-15-paul-rothemund/
23:05 < kanzure> no
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23:28 < archels> not sure what to make of this http://www.sniffcode.com/
23:28 < archels> http://hplusmagazine.com/2012/08/15/an-interview-with-sniff-code-underground-transhumanist-artist/
23:34 < poppingtonic> I read about DRACO on hplusmagazine...really neat therapy
23:35 < poppingtonic> god damnit, autoplay :(
23:35 < kanzure> archels: ugh. that jerk keeps spamming my inbox with facebook friend invites or something.
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