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01:33 < nmz787> what's the old cartoon where a car or train is travelling on a hilly path in a side-scrolling manner, and the wheels go up and down but train stays level?
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08:34 < EnLilaSko> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02931273?no-access=true
08:34 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1007/BF02931273.pdf
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08:42 < kanzure> so much for pwm control of vibration strength http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/146
08:42 < kanzure> oh wait, someone mentioned it.
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08:49 < px12> is there a way to make the cannabinoid receptors more reactive to THC? I mean.. I want to lower my THC tolerance fast.. so.. is there a way?
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09:38 < ParahSailin> heh, secret limits to <input> vs <textarea>
09:39 < ParahSailin> jquery .val() on an input truncates a string at like 680 something whereas textarea does not
09:39 < ParahSailin> 680k something i mean
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09:46 < kanzure> yeah, a long time ago <input> had a much lower limit (like <500) across a few browsers
09:46 < kanzure> so you would have to style a <textarea> to make it look like an <input>
09:46 < kanzure> css gangstas for life
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10:07 < ParahSailin> why do i have to do shitty hax like making invisible forms and http post submit with them to download files
10:08 < kanzure> writing css/javascript is like a perpetual hazing ritual, yeah
10:09 < ParahSailin> my shit worked for a while using that input text tag, then the data started getting bigger and suddenly everything mysteriously breaks
10:17 < kanzure> why are you inserting that much data in an <input>?
10:18 < ParahSailin> i have lots of data as local javascript objects that i serialize and post to server
10:18 < ParahSailin> if i do it as ajax, i cant make a file download easily from the response
10:19 < kanzure> iframe document.location = base64 url encoded data
10:19 < kanzure> but also you can make the server return specific headers to make a file download box appear
10:19 < kanzure> if you have that much data you're sending to the server then i recommend using websockets instead
10:19 < ParahSailin> thats why i do it as a server thing, so i can control the headers
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10:20 < kanzure> ParahSailin: you might also consider doing something crazy like, emailing it to them instead
10:20 < ParahSailin> heh thats not really the UX im going for
10:20 < kanzure> cubehero is doing openscad rendering now https://cubehero.com/physibles/iamwil/kings_gambit
10:21 < kanzure> (haha he has to have an xserver)
10:22 < kanzure> ParahSailin: if you're willing to use flash, there's lots of things you can use to make client-side file download stuff
10:24 < ParahSailin> yeah i saw that one
10:24 < ParahSailin> ick
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11:05 < jrayhawk> bkero: hah, phoronix didn't even mention the most striking part of that talk
11:05 < jrayhawk> which was the zero traction he got from anyone in the audience on what was supposed to be a friendly collaborative talk
11:05 < jrayhawk> because his parent organization is insane
11:06 < jrayhawk> nice guy, though. he helped me with the gstreamer setup.
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11:17 < bkero> jrayhawk: wow
11:17 < bkero> everybody just shunned all the mir stuff?
11:19 < jrayhawk> Pretty much.
11:20 < kanzure> what is the parent org?
11:20 < jrayhawk> Canonical.
11:24 < jrayhawk> Who have a long history of political insanity and community abuse. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25376.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26254.html http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2013/04/wayland-utilizing-android-gpu-drivers.html
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11:58 < nmz787> ParahSailin: have you considered an XHR with FormData attached and your data in there?
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12:22 < ParahSailin> yes obviously the normal thing is the first thing you try
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12:40 < nmz787> ParahSailin: i use that for big binary file uploads, can't you just upload the text as a .txt file
12:40 < nmz787> ?
12:40 < nmz787> binary
12:41 < ParahSailin> this is part of a very complicated browser app
12:44 < ParahSailin> involves quite a bit of local (browser environment) state
13:00 < nmz787> ParahSailin: for the ajax attempts, did you change the header to something other than text/html? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/186867/what-content-type-to-force-download-of-text-response
13:02 < ParahSailin> ajax will only put data back to the javascript environment
13:12 < nmz787> hidden iframe?
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13:14 < ParahSailin> how does that pop open a download box
13:18 < nmz787> should do it based on content type
13:18 < nmz787> if you submit the data from the iframe
13:18 < nmz787> rather than use XHR
13:19 < ParahSailin> what
13:22 < nmz787> hmm?
13:23 < nmz787> you said you're trying to download data programmatically
13:23 < nmz787> i thought
13:23 < nmz787> but have the 'accept download' box pop up?
13:23 < nmz787> bbl
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15:31 < heath> while kanzure considers how to play through pokemon games faster..
15:32  * heath considers how to rick roll more effectively
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16:00 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6153/1238670.full.pdf
16:01 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c629044fa8cdd208133b4ab704d7be.pdf
16:03 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6153/1238932.full.pdf
16:03 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ec751adaa3a1a2080d1d43f105d2d0fe.pdf
16:04 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6153/1238937.full.pdf
16:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f3b81b8f396bb5f871aa6fcca71fda68.pdf
16:06 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6153/1239463.full.pdf
16:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/20b57d2e1189e5288e5011135b2d97dc.pdf
16:07 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6153/1239505.full.pdf
16:07 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/536d852c1ca395f5a51529a3f680fd08.pdf
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16:53 < heath> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6153/1239505.full.pdf
16:54  * heath was simply testing, nothing to see
16:57 < nmz787> superkuh: seems like the terrestrial origin of the SAMs derizitization experiment solvents contaminated most of the GC experiments in that water paper
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17:09 < heath> i didn't know smari has his hand in mailpile
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17:23 < kanzure> heath: smari is everywhere, in weird and bizarre places
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18:06 < kanzure> .title http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1430
18:07 < kanzure> yoleaux: .help
18:08 < kanzure> well anyway, nasa paywalling the first paper from the curiosity rover data
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18:45 < superkuh> Luckily I had paperbot to save me.
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20:02 < kanzure> "If you take a folder with an .egg extension and make a zipfile of it's content and give it the same name as the original folder everything still worked. What was this madness? It's jar files for Python. Why does this work? It works because Python has a default import hook that checks for each file on sys.path if it's a zipfile. If it is, it activates the zip importer and imports from within the zipfile. Due to how zipfiles are structured ...
20:02 < kanzure> ... that's actually a very speedy operation."
20:02 < kanzure> this seems like a possible vulnerability, but i can't think of any locked-down system that uses python extensively
20:08 < kanzure> i don't know why python packaging sucks so much http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/
20:10 < kanzure> d3vz3r0: http://www.buildout.org/en/latest/ because http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/ (pip stuff)
20:10 < kanzure> oops
20:41 < kanzure> "NOTE: We reference the parent class' run method directly - we can't use super(...).run(self), because setuptools commands are old-style Python classes and super() does not support them." wtf
20:41 < kanzure> that's on http://www.niteoweb.com/blog/setuptools-run-custom-code-during-install
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21:59 < justanotheruser> paperbot: http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/ohslj59&div=32&id=&page=
21:59 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8efcc835108119abed7eda8d3af58762.txt
21:59 < justanotheruser> What does it mean when it gives me this .txt file
21:59 < kanzure> it's debug output
21:59 < kanzure> it couldn't find a pdf so it just gives you html prior to the pdf
21:59 < justanotheruser> Oh, I thought it was html saved as .txt for some reason
22:00 < kanzure> it is html
22:00 < kanzure> it is very limited debug data :)
22:00 < justanotheruser> oh, why isn't it saved as .html so it is displayed in my browser properly?
22:00 < kanzure> because that's almost never useful
22:00 < kanzure> you should look at the html and find the pdf link and give it to paperbot
22:01 < kanzure> and then paperbot can try again. it might fail again, but then you know it's a paywall failure, and not a "failed to parse the html for the pdf" failure.
22:02 < justanotheruser> paperbot: http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/003465302317331900
22:02 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1162%2F003465302317331892
22:02 < justanotheruser> kanzure: does paperbot use your journal access?
22:02 < ParahSail1n> thats proprietary information
22:02 < kanzure> it's a little more complicated and i'd rather not say
22:03 < kanzure> but here's the source code, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
22:04 < justanotheruser> ok thanks
22:06 < justanotheruser> paperbot: http://qje.oxfordjournals.org/content/107/2/511.short
22:06 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.2307%2F2118480
22:08 < justanotheruser> paperbot: http://soe.sagepub.com/content/78/4/294.short
22:08 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1177%2F003804070507800402
22:08 < justanotheruser> I'm surprised more people don't come here just for paperbot
22:09 < kanzure> well, paperbot activity has been up lately compared to other activity
22:09 < kanzure> i don't want paperbot activity to reduce other activities
22:09 < kanzure> but paperbot is necessary for most of our work anyway
22:12 < ParahSail1n> we keep paperbot broken in subtle ways to discourage that sort of thing
22:15 < kanzure> thanks for the cover
22:18 < justanotheruser> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40040209?uid=2134&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21102686911157
22:19 < justanotheruser> :(
22:19 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20Systemic%20Analysis%20of%20Affirmative%20Action%20in%20American%20Law%20Schools.pdf
22:33 < nmz787> kanzure: can you find the hour and minute that michael eisen post was made?
22:33 < nmz787> cause it happened here at 16:00 Pacific
22:34 < kanzure> i don't have ideas for where to look?
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23:03 < nmz787> the link you posted
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23:28 < kanzure> more setuptools madness :( http://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2009/eby-magic/
23:33 < kanzure> so the keyword is called install_requires but it installs the requirements after installation
23:33 < kanzure> this is infuriating :(
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23:39 < kanzure> aha... setup_requires.
23:51 < kanzure> cool, it actually works. and it removes the dependencies specified in setup_requires once setup.py is done.
23:53 < kanzure> so now python-brlcad will generate itself via https://github.com/kanzure/ctypesgen at install-time
23:54 < kanzure> (it is problematic to do this after setup.py because the user's permissions will not be great enough to install generated files to site-packages, unless virtualenv)
23:58 < nmz787> does anyone in here read chinese?
23:59 < nmz787> i really want to know what these bottles are labelled http://www.ebay.com/itm/Photoresist-Blue-Paint-Resist-Remover-Developer-Reagent-Etchant-DIY-PCB-Kit-/200837412281?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec2d7b5b9
23:59 < kanzure> rob does
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