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03:21 < archels> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity
03:22 < archels> this would be a good fiction story, if it were fiction
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03:25 < blueskin> oh look, Bruce Schneier
03:25 < blueskin> guess he's stopped complaining about the TSA again now
03:29 < blueskin> main reason I don't respect his judgement on anything that isn't directly crypto-related: http://snallabolaget.com/?p=2368
03:29 < blueskin> (great blog if you're interested in security-related topics, although it updates very slowly)
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04:10 < soylentbomb> blueskin: If that's a typical post, I wouldn't exactly consider it a great blog.  Most of that post relies on credentialism, and the last bit completely misses the point Schneier was making.
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04:14 < blueskin> credentialism, maybe a bit, but experience isn't irrelevant - I certainly know more about security than the average random person, but I know I don't know enough to design security for an airport, for example
04:15 < blueskin> the point was that he starts disagreeing with Sam Harris for exactly the same criticism he has of him that could be legitimately applied to himself
04:16 < blueskin> ironically, before I read that post, I was a fan of both of them. Still a big fan of Sam Harris, but more mixed on Schneier.
04:17 < chris_99> who's sam harris
04:18 < blueskin> by all means, everyone can comment on such topics, I can point out things the TSA do that are stupid, but I don't consider myself some expert on the topic to the point that my opinion is more valid than another person with a nonprofessional interest in security design
04:18 < blueskin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_%28author%29
04:19 < blueskin> a few members of the PC brigade got upset a few years agowhen he suggested that profiling of high risk people was a good idea
04:20 < blueskin> despite the fact that every airline ever does it anyway
04:21 < soylentbomb> that doesn't make it okay.  There's a world of difference between what's just or practical, and what's popular.
04:21 < soylentbomb> and I disagree, and feel that the point Schneier was making was not on the existence or formality of security engineering as a profession, but the inadequacy of the general public and policymakers alike to recognize the need for competent security engineers in the creation of security schemes.
04:22 < soylentbomb> Which the post you linked to completely failed to address, by presenting his point instead as "Bruce thinks he's coined another term"
04:22 < blueskin> it's ok because it's stastically proven
04:22 < blueskin> it's like how some people call studies proving racial variations in IQ "racist"
04:22 < soylentbomb> :|
04:23 < blueskin> no, they're not, they are just presenting data.
04:24 < soylentbomb> That doesn't mean that the data presented has been collected in a way that adequately depicts reality.
04:24 < soylentbomb> Which has been thoroughly detailed in the criticism you're dismissing.
04:24 < blueskin> of course, there are always exceptions to a rule, but collecting data specifically with exceptions in mind is almost the very definition of cognitive bias.
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07:40 < kanzure> that conversation was boring
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08:55 < chris_99> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=6007132
08:55 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FTVCG.2011.144
08:55 < chris_99> thankyou paperbot
08:56 < kanzure> code is stronger than words
08:56 < chris_99> what needs doing?
08:56 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues?state=open
08:56 < ParahSai1in> heh
08:57 < chris_99> how would i test it, does it work locally?
08:58 < kanzure> that's one component that hasn't been fixed yet
08:58 < kanzure> writing a way to test it locally would be a useful thing to do
08:58 < kanzure> e.g. just unit tests with mocked data
08:58 < kanzure> possibly using the python "mock" module
08:58 < kanzure> or "mockito" if you hate "mock"
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08:59 < chris_99> i'll see if i can fix a few things then as i know a bit of python
08:59 < chris_99> one other thing is libgen.org yours
09:00 < chris_99> as it's very slow atm
09:00 < kanzure> libgen.org is unfortunately not mine
09:00 < kanzure> i wish it was
09:00 < chris_99> ah
09:00 < kanzure> for some stupid reason i can't arrange for that much storage
09:00 < kanzure> i don't even have a backup of it :(
09:00 < chris_99> could it be crawled to backup?
09:00 < kanzure> please don't
09:00 < kanzure> they release torrents
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09:00 < chris_99> ah
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09:02 < chris_99> 3.3KB/s for that pdf :'(
09:02 < kanzure> there are other mirrors of that library
09:03 < kanzure> if it is an item that has been there for a few days then the other libraries should have it by now
09:03 < kanzure> actually, i don't know what the replication rate is
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09:05 < kanzure> ParahSai1in: so i was able to fix the problems with the post installer mostly
09:06 < kanzure> ParahSai1in: the latest set of problems is (1) 64-bit brlcad installs to "Program Files (x86)" which doesn't make sense and (2) when i dlopen libbu.dll it complains about tcl.dll not being found. and when i load tcl.dll it complains about MSVCR100.dll not being found.
09:07 < kanzure> also it turns out the only reliable way to detect 32-bit python vs 64-bit python is sys.maxint. (because this determines which architecture of brlcad to pick)
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21:03 < kanzure> i need some awesome demo models for brlcad/python
21:04 < kanzure> does anyone have some amazing cad models?
21:04 < kanzure> possibly fighter jets and/or gundams
21:04 < kanzure> need to pimp my readme
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