--- Log opened Fri Oct 18 00:00:58 2013 00:02 < justanotheruser> nmz787: is it laid out in an easy-to-parse fashion? 00:05 -!- juul [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:06 -!- juul [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:19 -!- ua [~ua@unaffiliated/uniqanomaly] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:25 -!- mathias__ [~mathias@192.138.109.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:33 -!- mathias__ is now known as mundell 00:39 -!- urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:13 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-137-216.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:17 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:31 -!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eybijqlrrtxwiruo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:32 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfqfidnvbuxzptbh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:41 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:04 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:20 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:22 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:28 -!- kyknos [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-dtqhrwvzfuqabedk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28 -!- kyknos [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-vmapmexgbnplccvd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:35 -!- ua [~ua@unaffiliated/uniqanomaly] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:53 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:56 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:59 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:02 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:05 -!- urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: That's it for today] 03:07 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:10 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- kyknos [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-vmapmexgbnplccvd] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:27 -!- kyknos [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-ifvhsvkjqzjvhckx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:27 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ijcjnccolqyyqhwl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:34 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:38 < Dantespeaks> is it possible to see if you have an abnormality in your brain through somekind of scanning technology? I don't mean particular physical injury or alzheimers or something, but say a person has an OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) or, hormonal imbalance or something, will this light up in the scans? 03:38 < Dantespeaks> if this person is doing a certain activity - that particular region(s) of the brain will light up or something. 03:40 < nalkri> fNMR 03:40 < nalkri> f is for functional, i.e. watching what's actually happening 03:40 -!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rmjctttgkzpbzelj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:46 < Dantespeaks> cool~ so you can somewhat semi-see the regions thats active. i wonder how accurate it is. 03:47 < Dantespeaks> but it's probably not too good for your health aye? like xrays develop tumours or something if you use it too often 03:48 < nalkri> We're already at the edge of my knowledge but as I understand it NMR is at least as safe as x-ray imaging 03:48 < nalkri> And x-rays like other high-energy radiation increase mutagenesis, and the relationship between that and carcinogenesis is rather complex 03:48 < Dantespeaks> so i guess then it's mainly for medical purposes but not every-day experiment diagnosis. 03:49 < nalkri> Medicine/research 03:49 < Dantespeaks> but this thing is magnetic, not radiation isnt it? 03:49 < Dantespeaks> something closer to a CT scan.. 03:49 < Dantespeaks> i'll research on it. thanks. 03:49 < nalkri> CT is generally x-ray 03:49 < Dantespeaks> for the lead. 03:49 < Dantespeaks> oh 03:49 < nalkri> Just low powered and based around slices 03:50 < Dantespeaks> oh 03:50 < Dantespeaks> fascinating. 03:50 < nalkri> It's computer tomography, actual tomography is slicing things into very fine layers to study structure 03:50 < Dantespeaks> they actually cut the brain for that dont they? 03:50 < Dantespeaks> or can they scan and do it virtually 03:51 < Dantespeaks> ah nevermind, i will research this thoroughly very interesting. 03:51 < nalkri> Slice the brains of dead donors 03:51 < nalkri> And use fNMR and things for the living 03:51 < nalkri> Also look at PET(positron emission tomography) 03:51 < Dantespeaks> ok, cool devices 03:51 < nalkri> And for less invasive things you of course have EEGs and fNIR sensors 03:51 < Dantespeaks> probably costs hundreds of thousands of dollars each 03:52 < nalkri> Which are harder to map but can still be corelated to activity once you have enough general data 03:52 < Dantespeaks> ok 03:53 < Dantespeaks> im just wondering if you've found regions in the brain which has been distorted as you grew older somehow environmentally or otherwise, 03:53 < Dantespeaks> if there is a way to "reboot" that region. 03:53 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:53 < Dantespeaks> probably would have to regenerate the cell in that region or something - i heard they use tiny nanobridges to heal the damages/gap between cells 03:54 < nalkri> I don't know, if you find out please report back :) 03:54 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:54 < Dantespeaks> sure cool thnaks 03:54 < nalkri> And there are neural pacemakers now 03:54 < nalkri> To help with neral storm 03:54 < nalkri> ERm, s/neural storm/epilepsy/ 03:54 < Dantespeaks> you know tons about this 03:54 < Dantespeaks> ok im jotting it all down 03:54 < nalkri> I know the surface levels of a lot of things :) 03:55 < nalkri> I'm a good supply of keywords to shove into wikis/search engines 03:55 < Dantespeaks> details follow the surface, you're on your way. 03:55 < nalkri> And I have a family histry of epilepsy(and an interest in cerebral enhancements because I'm not intelligent enough) 03:57 < Dantespeaks> probably because you dont have enough patience, i think neurons in certain regions becomes more packed/condensed as you study that specific area whatever intelligence youve got 03:57 < Dantespeaks> eventually changing your synapses/patterns who knows 03:58 < Dantespeaks> if one regenerates the region in the brain where theres the problem 03:58 < Dantespeaks> i mean cell-wise, 03:58 < Dantespeaks> what exactly would happen? would this person lose a part of his memories/identity? 03:59 < Dantespeaks> would epilepsy or other causes be "rebooted" in such a way it begins with a blank state? 03:59 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:59 < Dantespeaks> *slate 04:00 < Dantespeaks> im just imagining, but i think it's worth a look, i can only imagine the surface things as well so- if anyone cares to look into this please share results. 04:02 < Dantespeaks> sorry y'all for the rambling. gotta sleep havent slept in long. thanks. 04:15 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:20 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the 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[~andrew@74.45.113.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:47 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@74.45.113.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05 < entelech1os> paperbot: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16625590 13:05 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1002%2F14651858.CD003730.pub2 13:15 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:34 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/23241129 13:49 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3fb5ac90d2c147c7853e1ddb20410554.txt 13:50 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23241129 13:52 < kanzure> you killed it 13:53 < kanzure> maybe 13:53 < kanzure> maybe it is 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It should be fun. 15:25 < kanzure> congrats you just had to wait until the company was about to go under 15:26 < superkuh> That's news to me. 15:26 < kanzure> i might be misremembering. i'll have to look around for this. 15:28 < INSANITYWOLF> theyll get bought by google 15:28 < INSANITYWOLF> or carlyle or someone who wants the database 15:29 < INSANITYWOLF> im sure booz allen would love it 15:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:56 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:02 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- AdBlocker_ [AdBlocker@c-68-62-123-47.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- AdBlocker [AdBlocker@c-68-62-123-47.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- ua [~ua@unaffiliated/uniqanomaly] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:56 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:02 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:02 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20 -!- panax [~panax@241641hfc93.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 -!- panax [~panax@241641hfc93.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:11 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:24 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:26 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 20:26 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:32 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:44 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:52 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:18 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:24 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.46.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:45 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:10 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:11 -!- pads is now known as Guest44352 23:13 -!- Guest30286 [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:52 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-24-47-32.ppp.as43234.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Oct 19 00:00:59 2013