--- Log opened Mon Oct 21 00:00:01 2013
00:02 < Dantespeaks> but it is possible right? i cant understand the mechanism ive never seen references to it.
00:03 < Dantespeaks> thanks, im a fan of revolvers 'cause of it's continuity - it will not degrade over time nor will it jam + maybe higher accuracy.
00:04 < Dantespeaks> it will probably carry less ammo due to the housing being heavier & the reloading times, but there are ways around this i think.
00:05 < Dantespeaks> is there a disadvantageous factor on having carbon fibre barrels?
00:05 < Dantespeaks> i know it's lighter but - can it shatter or crack over time?
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00:23 < Zhwazi> Yes, it's possible, and mechanically feasible, and I can explain more or less how it would work, it's just unnecessary.
00:24 < Zhwazi> Revolvers are more accurate than most semiautomatic pistols
00:24 < Dantespeaks> I understand. ty. As long as it's feasible i can think about it.
00:24 < Zhwazi> But that's because most semiautomatic pistols are inaccurate, not because revolvers are particularly accurate.
00:25 < Zhwazi> Rifles that eliminate the cylinder gap will be more accurate.
00:25 < Zhwazi> At least, given the cost and engineering effort involved.
00:26 < Zhwazi> Semiautomatic pistols that have barrels fixed to the frame like how a revolver does are also known for their accuracy
00:26 < Zhwazi> And revolvers do jam, they just jam in different ways than semiautomatics.
00:26 < Dantespeaks> oh
00:27 < Dantespeaks> i guess it depends on the design...
00:27 < Zhwazi> I would say that a revolver is generally more fault tolerant
00:27 < Zhwazi> If a revolver fails to fire, you pull the trigger again. It could fail to turn the cylinder, or it could fail to cock the hammer, but that's about all that can go wrong.
00:28 < Zhwazi> If a semiauto fails to fire, extract, eject, and feed, then you have to rack the slide a few times and sometimes remove the magazine before it will work again.
00:29 < Zhwazi> So there are twice as many things that can go wrong, and it's a lot harder to fix those things when they are fixable
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00:30 < Dantespeaks> it seems highly unlikely a cylinder will fail to turn, unless the gun is seriously faulty.
00:31 < Dantespeaks> depending on the reliability of the design, i would prefer a revolver... but i didn't know semi-automatics used a cylinder weighed to the middle of the gun as well
00:31 < Dantespeaks> semi-auto jams, and during the time you try fixing it, you die. :(
00:31 < Zhwazi> The mechanism that turns the wheel has a few things that can go wrong
00:32 < Zhwazi> It's not the simplest thing ever devised
00:32 < Dantespeaks> so simpler the mechanism = less chances of it going wrong?
00:32 < Zhwazi> In general, yes.
00:33 < Dantespeaks> i see. how many guns would you prefer in a battle situation (sorry, very childish question, but humour me)
00:33 < Dantespeaks> i can understand having more guns will reduce your loading time until you get out of the situation.
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00:34 < Zhwazi> Haha, the word for that is "New York Reload"
00:34 < blueskin> if course, with a revolver, it's then limited in capacity and slower to reload unless you're a trick shooter
00:34 < blueskin> so it's a tradeoff either way, I guess
00:34 < Zhwazi> New York cops when they issued revolvers would carry two revolvers
00:34 < blueskin> heh
00:34 < Dantespeaks> i see
00:34 < Zhwazi> Honestly, I would prefer to have a single reliable semiautomatic
00:34 < Zhwazi> Something like a Glock.
00:35 < Dantespeaks> you see movies and they hold like 6 different guns in 3 pairs, just how plausible is this? aren't they heavy?
00:35 < Zhwazi> Those are pretty simple guns.
00:35 < Zhwazi> It varies.
00:35 < Dantespeaks> yeah i heard glocks are very reliable.
00:35 < Zhwazi> Most guns will weigh over a pound
00:35 < Zhwazi> Like, pistols
00:35 < Zhwazi> Very few very small mostly-plastic pistols can be lighter
00:36 < Zhwazi> A more regular pistol can be 2-3 pounds
00:36 < Dantespeaks> can a revolver be equipped with a silencer or the gaps between it makes it impossible to supress sounds?
00:36 < Zhwazi> Most cannot
00:36 < Dantespeaks> i see, that's pretty heavy.
00:36 < Zhwazi> There's one design that can, because it has a gas seal for the cylinde gap
00:37 < Zhwazi> It's a crappy revolver for other reasons
00:37 < blueskin> yeah, most can't, some particular ones are built to really tight tolerances and can IIRC
00:37 < Zhwazi> It's calld the nagant revolver
00:37 < blueskin> oh, and don't say silencer around gun nuts, it's a suppressor ;)
00:37 < Zhwazi> But people have put silencers on them
00:37 < Dantespeaks> so i guess having like, 1 rifle + 1 pair of guns and maybe a tertiary weapon would suffice...
00:37 < blueskin> that's the one from MGS3, heh
00:37 < Dantespeaks> blueskin: got it. i'm trying to become a gun nut here.
00:37 < blueskin> /r/gats
00:38 < Dantespeaks> "nagant revolver" there's a name to it. amazing.
00:38 < blueskin> Operator with a silencer and 15 rails
00:38 < Dantespeaks> ok i'll jot it down.
00:38 < Dantespeaks> i wish i can produce a pair of revolvers/rifles of my design and sell it somewhere.
00:39 < Dantespeaks> thinking of how bullet proof armours work, and im imagining if it's the tensile strength of the metal or the hardness of a different material is useful against bullets.
00:40 < blueskin> deforming and ablation mostly, iirc
00:40 < Dantespeaks> like i know hardness = usually means lighter, but brittle. more likely to survive a bullet just once or something. while tensile strength would not deflect a bullet but slow it down....
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00:41 < Dantespeaks> cool guys interesting stuff :)
00:41 < Dantespeaks> ty - gotta learn more.
00:42 < Dantespeaks> in prep of zombie apocalypse. :)
00:45 < Dantespeaks> when i say i want to design and sell, i mean legally of course.
00:46 < Dantespeaks> what are the licensing scheme involved in producing weapons for the military...?
00:46 < Dantespeaks> :) anyways, cool.
01:05 < nmz787> kanzure: met a guy yesterday who made a few mer oligos by hand in an organosynthesis class at UC Davis
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02:10 <@kanzure> haha some idiots are using phantomjs for ddos http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/ddos-attack-used-headless-browsers-in-15/240162777
02:10 <@kanzure> which is dumb because using plain-old webkit is usually easier
02:10 <@kanzure> ""It mimics human behavior so effectively that it's a challenge for mitigation services to deal with.""
02:10 <@kanzure> buulllshiiit, phantomjs has tons of global top-level variables that are super easy to detect
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02:14 < blueskin> heh
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05:42 < superkuh> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50742/full
05:42 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a731f64fb2ea612d18c7ba90c120f52.txt
05:43 < archels> .title
05:43 < yoleaux> Properties of the thundercloud discharges responsible for terrestrial gamma-ray flashes
05:43 < superkuh> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50742/pdf
05:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a5f0d2ec77d9d14546dbff60304ff5.txt
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07:05 < EnLilaSko> paperbot: http://www.umbjournal.org/article/S0301-5629%2812%2900575-3/fulltext
07:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2b9e64398cb60c6645d5e8a6a8f63a54.txt
07:05 < EnLilaSko> paperbot: http://www.umbjournal.org/article/S0301-5629%2812%2900575-3/pdf
07:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1e8067214147340693c4a3baa0614aec.txt
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08:38 < archels> .title
08:38 < yoleaux> Ultrasound in Medicine and Biology
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09:00 <@kanzure> so titlebot is working again?
09:04 < archels> don't call it titlebot, it doesn't like it when you do that
09:05 <@kanzure> closing https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/35
09:06 <@kanzure> i need an actual pdf parser/generator
09:18 < ParahSailin> lol
09:19 < ParahSailin> given up on a javascript pdf thing?
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09:22 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: not yet
09:23 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: it would be nice to do a streaming pdf parser/generator
09:23 <@kanzure> man, i must have a terrible definition of "nice"
09:23 <@kanzure> fenn: are you alive?
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11:45 < archels> Google Scholar is giving apparently unwarranted CAPTCHA challenges, whether I'm signed in or not
11:46 < archels> my housemate is a Zotera user...
11:47 <@kanzure> nice.
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15:24 < delinquentme> er mer ger.
15:31 < nmz787> ?
15:32 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/grl.50742
15:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4f33de8f56d6c1c48605c394f40e4f15.txt
15:33 < nmz787> I think Russia has it's PDF hole plugged up
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15:57 <@kanzure> this isn't really through russia
15:57 <@kanzure> oh you mean scihub links
15:57 <@kanzure> actually, that's an interesting question
15:57 <@kanzure> what happened to that
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